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Horrendous captain

Horrendous vc in Rizwan as well!

This is going to be a disastrous reign for Pakistan cricket if we are left at the mercy of Babar and Rizwan, with Shaheen dictating terms as the key bowler!

They seem to believe they have everything in the bag, and the intensity levels of this team are rock bottom! Babar must go!
 
That decision to bowl negative lines post tea, when the ball was reversing was the last straw. It is the worst and most spineless decision I have ever seen from a Pakistan captain. On day 1.

I have absolutely no hope or confidence in him as a captain. The decisions in this test alone would horrify even the random captains we select for the QeA trophy.
 
Arsal_AK said:
That decision to bowl negative lines post tea, when the ball was reversing was the last straw. It is the worst and most spineless decision I have ever seen from a Pakistan captain. On day 1.

I have absolutely no hope or confidence in him as a captain. The decisions in this test alone would horrify even the random captains we select for the QeA trophy.
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Seem to be scared off losing runs rather thrn going for wickets when reverse swing would have helped pacers.

one of pakistans worst ever captains like moin khan, who was another captain that got a pathetic test loss in karachi as well.
 
I said this from day 1 he is a bad captain. Misbahs reaction to his captaincy during the test showed you the real picture.

But we had to listen to the stupid excuse that he is new give him time etc ....
 
Major said:
I said this from day 1 he is a bad captain. Misbahs reaction to his captaincy during the test showed you the real picture.

But we had to listen to the stupid excuse that he is new give him time etc ....
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The guy next in line to replace him is no better.

Babar is the clueless captain

Rizwan is the Auto pilot captain!
 
Who should replace him? He is not that much experienced at the job and other than this particular series vs Aus, he looked to be getting better. At this pace we will have 4-5 captains in this decade and that would mean a poor cricketing decade as in no top side of any decade we will witness that much quick changes.

Babar so far has just lost three series across the formats, did really well in World T20 and is yet to lose a test series. These are not bad numbers my any means. Yes some of the tactics in this series were questionable but, then the whole leadership group was with him on the field in Rizwan, Shaheen and Hassan Ali. Only Shadab who is considered one of the guys in the leadership group is not part of the test side so not sure what the other guys in the leadership group can do as captain which they cant say while Babar being the captain.
 
Over the last few years, Pakistani captains and team only look good and impressive when they are playing against low tier teams like West Indies, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. The South African team they beat was and is in a rebuilding phase.
Don't worry we will be back to playing series against these minnows and everything will be forgotten. Plus, a single T20/ODI match win against India will make the captain and the team labeled as "champions".
 
He learns from his mistakes but he deserved to pay for bad captaincy it's good this has happened.
 
The problem is many years ago Pakistan decided “we are far above reverse swing now”. They abandoned an art that they invented and now they are getting schooled at their own game.

It’s not even about the ability to reverse swing, it’s what it requires as a team to execute it.

As someone said - on the first day the ball was reversing and we went to our tried and tested failure mentality of leaving everything to the spinners. Surely you must know your own history. Karachi reverses. If the pitch does nothing it reverses.

But our captain has been brought up watching Misbah bowl the spinners till their arms fall off and always just has that one dimensional view of the world.
 
Changing captain is not gonna do any good to this team..

Elephant in the room is quality of the players.....

Babar Azam is the only batsman in this line up who can cope with reverse swing and cracks in this pitch if being exploited.. Other that in the lineup I only see Abdullah Shafique who can come close to some extent but he is very young & naive to test cricket as well..

Get rid off Azhar ali and Fawad Alam bring in players like Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam.. GIve them the experience of test cricket to form a future team, instead of nothing batsman like Azhar and Fawad...
 
Babar should continue as captain.. Change the Selector who has the audacity to stand up and kick out Azhar ali , Fawad, Nauman and Sajid all the oldies and nothing cricketers like Faheem waste of space...
and not select players from T20 to test cricket ( Haris , Naseem shah)
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Babar should continue as captain.. Change the Selector who has the audacity to stand up and kick out Azhar ali , Fawad, Nauman and Sajid all the oldies and nothing cricketers like Faheem waste of space...
and not select players from T20 to test cricket ( Haris , Naseem shah)
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Naseem wasn't selected based on T20s. There is no one else. Rauf I agree. Fawad has been bating better than Babar. But say for arguments sake all that happens.

Now who will make sure that we don't bowl legside drivel on day 1, in our home country, give the ball to Pacers when it reversing or just be somewhat competent tactically? Given that Babar is to continue as captain.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Naseem wasn't selected based on T20s. There is no one else. Rauf I agree. Fawad has been bating better than Babar. But say for arguments sake all that happens.

Now who will make sure that we don't bowl legside drivel on day 1, in our home country, give the ball to Pacers when it reversing or just be somewhat competent tactically? Given that Babar is to continue as captain.
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I know , one thing to go with him is his age and he is the first name in the team sheet, all others cant walk into this team..

Rizwan is the vice captain , so what he did say for bowling legside ... he is the keeper who always expected to give suggestions and advice to the captain , no matter if he is vice captain or not
 
The only time you’ll hear me saying this but man, I miss Misbah the test captain.

Babar and Rizwan are not players I’d want to captain my team. I’d bring Shadab Khan back into the team and make him the captain.
 
Already had his litmus test in that SF foolish bowling changes and field placings not to mention his childish approach to smack Zampa only to get out
 
I want him to give up the captaincy because he is not a natural in the role plus it is clear he can't cope with the pressure of batting along with the pressures of captaincy. Give it to someone else more suitable.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
One bad day and these threads pop up, lul.
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It's genuinely pathetic.

Pakistan fans don't deserve nice things when this is the thanks Babar gets for stepping up.

No wonder so many people avoid Pakistan cricket like the plague. We have the most toxic fanbase in the world, maybe even worse than India's.
 
What a spineless captain.

And a pathetic test batter.

He should play PSL and stick to limited overs international cricket.

Pak should have 3 captains for 3 formats.
 
Rana said:
The guy next in line to replace him is no better.

Babar is the clueless captain

Rizwan is the Auto pilot captain!
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Rizwan is a better captain than babar. PSL proved that but Shaheen was Better than even rizwan
 
It’s been a torrid and emotional day, perhaps time to take a step back, chill out maybe logout from the forums.

And come back again tomorrow (for more punishment).
 
Its high time we also give a bit of credit to the opposition.

It seem like every time we fail, its because we played bad.
 
gazza619 said:
Its high time we also give a bit of credit to the opposition.

It seem like every time we fail, its because we played bad.
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+1

Opposition is there to win as well. Aus has batted and bowled well.
 
Bababr needs to step up and look like a captain on the pitch or he could be out of a job and out of the team

This innings was a perfect opportunity to score some tough runs with the tail and make some hard fought test runs and put his name out there as a quality test batter like javed, inzy younis and co used to do

And instead he bottled it
 
gazza619 said:
Its high time we also give a bit of credit to the opposition.

It seem like every time we fail, its because we played bad.
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Lol, we have played badly havent we? Thats why the opposition has done well. The game plan, execution was all wrong whereas Australia have summed up the conditions much better than Pakistan which is incredible given that they are playing in Pakistan after 24 years.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Changing captain is not gonna do any good to this team..

Elephant in the room is quality of the players.....

Babar Azam is the only batsman in this line up who can cope with reverse swing and cracks in this pitch if being exploited.. Other that in the lineup I only see Abdullah Shafique who can come close to some extent but he is very young & naive to test cricket as well..

Get rid off Azhar ali and Fawad Alam bring in players like Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam.. GIve them the experience of test cricket to form a future team, instead of nothing batsman like Azhar and Fawad...
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As I have said earlier, Pak can only lookup to these two men in crease atm... Only count on Babar and Shafique to stand against these Aussies, rest are just gully mohala duds.....

Already saw Azhar ali ducking at 130kph delivery and getting LBW lol.. Wait for Fawad and Rizwan to see how they get out.. :asif
 
I hope this thread is put to bed... Asking for the sacking of captaincy against the only world class player that they have..

Pakistan is so lucky they have a batsman like Babar...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
I hope this thread is put to bed... Asking for the sacking of captaincy against the only world class player that they have..

Pakistan is so lucky they have a batsman like Babar...
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Who has asked for him to be dropped?
 
Opinions and wishes keep on changing every session. And what replacement we have? We will change our opinions from match to match and session to session for every Captain. And then we complain of groupings in team when its actually us who propose the grouping.

Every Captain needs time and support to build his team and debelop his method. If with significant sample size, Babar Azam fail to build a team and method, he can be replaced. ATM, sample size is not good enough.
 
His hundred doesn't change anything because this thread isn't about his batting, it's about his captaincy. And tactically with his fields, his ideas and bowling changes he has been horrendous.

Nobody is saying drop Babar from the team.
 
Rana said:
Who has asked for him to be dropped?
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Name one test captain from Pak who has scored a ton against Aus in the 4th inns chasing a target..

His leadership is personified with his knocks and he is quite young for test captaincy, the more he plays and leads from the front the better he will be..

Finally Pakistan have an all format batsman and all format captain... Not for every single failure of the team, getting rid of the captain is a solution..

If the alternate is Rizwan and Shadab to captain who cant solidify their place yet in the 11 , cant be considered for captaincy.. Rizwan had 1 good year so far in T20s , more than 6 months in tests scoring in away tests... but so far he is also been dried up for runs lately when needed the most...Also he is the vice captain, should be giving enough for the team there.. Look at Marnus , he is not even vice captain but contributes a lot to the team..
 
FollowThru said:
Opinions and wishes keep on changing every session. And what replacement we have? We will change our opinions from match to match and session to session for every Captain. And then we complain of groupings in team when its actually us who propose the grouping.

Every Captain needs time and support to build his team and debelop his method. If with significant sample size, Babar Azam fail to build a team and method, he can be replaced. ATM, sample size is not good enough.
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And i would make that sample size a bit big for Babar Azam, because he is the golden goose..
 
Arsal_AK said:
His hundred doesn't change anything because this thread isn't about his batting, it's about his captaincy. And tactically with his fields, his ideas and bowling changes he has been horrendous.

Nobody is saying drop Babar from the team.
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How many tests has he captained, for u to look for another captain. The main problem for Pakistan is choppping and changing captains for every single failure or make him the scapegoat for a series loss...

If thats the case England should have chopped and changed so many captains after each Ashes failures , applies to Aus as well , vice-versa..

The only right thing Misbah did was appointing Babar as all format captain...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
And i would make that sample size a bit big for Babar Azam, because he is the golden goose..
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But Babar Azam also need to start winning, the ultimate criterion.

With Babar Azam, the Captain, one can see the focus and calmness and gradual progression. I'm afraid we will not get this with any other Captain. Potential replacements are either very volatile or may lack progressive learning.
 
Zaz said:
Bababr needs to step up and look like a captain on the pitch or he could be out of a job and out of the team

This innings was a perfect opportunity to score some tough runs with the tail and make some hard fought test runs and put his name out there as a quality test batter like javed, inzy younis and co used to do

And instead he bottled it
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He had nobody to partner with in the 1st inns and he was trying to save the tail behind him and tried to put quick runs on the board because soon Aus will run through remaining lot.. How can that knock be bottled...

The players you mentioned there i rmb only Inzi doing a gritty knock with the tail and winning a test match against "Bangladesh" if i rmb correctly and that too in twilight of his career, you are comparing that with Babar who has just played 30 odd tests and who is in his 4th series as captain..
 
Thank God some of the people here are not selectors or related to PCB. Babar is going to go down as the greatest Pakistan batter of all time and you want to ruin it all. What is he supposed to do?
 
FollowThru said:
But Babar Azam also need to start winning, the ultimate criterion.

With Babar Azam, the Captain, one can see the focus and calmness and gradual progression. I'm afraid we will not get this with any other Captain. Potential replacements are either very volatile or may lack progressive learning.
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Im sure he will start winning, as u said there is focus, determination and gradual progression. Test cricket is not an easy thing to do, and to get more away wins under the belt as captain is the most ultimate thing to achieve which many captains struggled to...

Dhoni out of all the captains, regarded as one of the greatest LOI captains winning 3 ICC trophies, achieved less as a test captain especially in away tours is a very good example

Babar is a tough nut, and i dont see any replacements that even come close to being test captain, let alone cement their places in the team first....

Also , this thread will be fully pumped up again, asking for the sack if he gets out early to the new ball tmw..
 
Test Cricket is sucha a funny game that this time tomorrow we could be discussing a Pat Cummins SACK countdown thread.
 
Knee-jerk thread....you don't replace captains based on 1 series.

Its still early days and he's still learning...people need to be patient and allow him some room.

He will only get better with time
 
He is our best player and captain. OP needs to respect our legendary players. This Test century he made is the best century we have seen this year!
 
It seems some people want to go back to 90s where captains would change every series
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Name one test captain from Pak who has scored a ton against Aus in the 4th inns chasing a target..

His leadership is personified with his knocks and he is quite young for test captaincy, the more he plays and leads from the front the better he will be..

Finally Pakistan have an all format batsman and all format captain... Not for every single failure of the team, getting rid of the captain is a solution..

If the alternate is Rizwan and Shadab to captain who cant solidify their place yet in the 11 , cant be considered for captaincy.. Rizwan had 1 good year so far in T20s , more than 6 months in tests scoring in away tests... but so far he is also been dried up for runs lately when needed the most...Also he is the vice captain, should be giving enough for the team there.. Look at Marnus , he is not even vice captain but contributes a lot to the team..
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Lol yeah im sure tendulkar fans said the samething..

Dude cant captain if his life depended on it..

Its no one else fault except pcbs.. they shouldve been grooming him since the start..

Babars batting iq may be high but his overall cricket iq is pretty low.
 
I strongly feel Pakistan should invent this new strategy regarding captains
Pakistan should have different captain for each match.. Like let Babar be captain until he is winning loose one match and sack him.
Bring Rizwaan and let him captain until he loose a match and then sack him.
Bring shaheen now and let him captain until they loose again.
Then
Shan
Imam
Faheem
Blah blah blah
Because after one bad game cry babies will come out with their swords. So better decide captain before each game.
May PCB can do a poll before each game and then decide.
HOWZATT
 
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cric_4life said:
I strongly feel Pakistan should invent this new strategy regarding captains
Pakistan should have different captain for each match.. Like let Babar be captain until he is winning loose one match and sack him.
Bring Rizwaan and let him captain until he loose a match and then sack him.
Bring shaheen now and let him captain until they loose again.
Then
Shan
Imam
Faheem
Blah blah blah
Because after one bad game cry babies will come out with their swords. So better decide captain before each game.
May PCB can do a poll before each game and then decide.
HOWZATT
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:)))

Rana for PCB chairman.
 
cric_4life said:
I strongly feel Pakistan should invent this new strategy regarding captains
Pakistan should have different captain for each match.. Like let Babar be captain until he is winning loose one match and sack him.
Bring Rizwaan and let him captain until he loose a match and then sack him.
Bring shaheen now and let him captain until they loose again.
Then
Shan
Imam
Faheem
Blah blah blah
Because after one bad game cry babies will come out with their swords. So better decide captain before each game.
May PCB can do a poll before each game and then decide.
HOWZATT
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I really need the same thing that you are smoking. This is the most hilarious thing I’ve ever seen!
 
Ashmal said:
Knee-jerk thread....you don't replace captains based on 1 series.

Its still early days and he's still learning...people need to be patient and allow him some room.

He will only get better with time
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These fans expect players to be born captains. They don’t realise it comes with experience and exposure as captain. He will learn from his mistakesand get better . Give him time and he will get there
 
This thread was about his field placements, bowling changes and the unfathomable decision to bowl legside negative lines on day 1.

Nothing to do with his batting, for that I refer you to the Babar Azam is overrated thread.
 
Babar needs a good mentor. Unfortunately he will be wrongly advised to declare on day 2 in the first test.

Babar will learn.
 
I don't think Babar will ever be one of those in your face captains running around like a headless chicken.

He's a reserved character, calm and cool and has his own style.

Tactically he is a bit lacking at times but I still feel he can improve as a skipper especially with guys like Rizwan there to support him.
 
Rana said:
Give it time

You will be back here at my calling.
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Time is the keyword here....good or bad you can't remove a young captain based on a couple of series...otherwise we will return to 90s era of musical chairs of captaincy

Babar should be allowed to take his time to grow in his role and then let's judge him after a couple of years.
 
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Don't think Babar is playing with the eleven he wants.

His field placements and captaincy during the home series against SA was pretty good(or was it Misbah effect). But Babar did well in Bangladesh as well.

This recent uproar against Babar's leadership that started during PSL(of all tournaments) is going to die down soon.
 
hitthestump said:
This isn't even the funniest thread. Sharjeel being an ATG is even better than this, as well as how many times Rizwan has shut his critics down by now :))
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There's been some gems, Ahmed Shehzad is better than Tendulkar. And forget "Archer is the best bowler in the world" quotes, here's one of the most famous quotes on PP ever...

Originally Posted by Saqs on Steve Smith
And who taught him to bat? Chris Martin? Is he the Australian equivalent of ....wait, I'm struggling to think of another useless player of his calibre.
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Test captaincy sack be like:

“Tere

Ghar aaya

Main aaya tujh ko laae ne”
 
Babar is not the worst we have seen in recent times. But there are not many good alternatives. Rizwan is good but he is just finding his feet in test cricket. Shaheen needs more time.

Pakistan think thanks's approach has been atrocious. Their fate depended on winning the toss and we lost toss on both occasions. The idea seemed to be to bat first, get a 500 on flat track and hope two spinners can win the match on last day. The think thank probably didn't realize that they could lose the toss.
 
Whilst I agree Babar Azam is timid and inept as a captain there aren't a plethora of alternatives. Only 2 other names are nailed on. Shaheen and Rizwan. I don't know enough about Shaheen to know if he is captaincy material so i think Rizwan is the only candidate.
 
No point sacking him as he's the best we got.

Neither Rizwan or Shaheen would be a substantial improvement over him, Shadab is currently not fit enough for test cricket and the rest are useless.

If we are going by the options avaliable, I'd much rather have Babar as at least he can lead from the front in terms of performance
 
Haven’t heard the post match interview but, apparently Babar said “we dominated 2 tests” and if that isn’t enough to sack him as captain then nothing is.

I thought Misbah was a defensive captain but Babar takes it to another level. Let’s hope we don’t see the same old 30-3 from 10 overs in the LOI’s.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Haven’t heard the post match interview but, apparently Babar said “we dominated 2 tests” and if that isn’t enough to sack him as captain then nothing is.

I thought Misbah was a defensive captain but Babar takes it to another level. Let’s hope we don’t see the same old 30-3 from 10 overs in the LOI’s.
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Yes he stated they dominated the first 2 tests but then went on to say they saved the match. I don't think he knows what he's on about.
 
Kamran Akmal speaking in an interview:

“It’s too early. He [Babar Azam] is young and has only led Pakistan for around a year"
 
MenInG said:
Kamran Akmal speaking in an interview:

“It’s too early. He [Babar Azam] is young and has only led Pakistan for around a year"
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It's too early to sack Babar? Why would you want to sack him, Kamran?

LOL these Akmals are excellent entertainers off the field
 
I thought the 2nd Test at Galle was one of his poorest matches as captain.

The team selection, the tactics, the approach, the batting order, the leadership, all terrible.
 
Horrendous tactical captain who does raise his game as a batsman tbf.

I think the PCB have made him captain in order for him to not go down the QDQ path and retire from this format only to focus on white ball cricket and leagues
 
But the numbers are as follows:

Highest win percentage as Pakistan Test captain:

Rashid Latif 66.66% (4 wins out of 6 matches)
Babar Azam 61.53% (8 wins out of 13 matches)
 
Saj said:
I thought the 2nd Test at Galle was one of his poorest matches as captain.

The team selection, the tactics, the approach, the batting order, the leadership, all terrible.
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Bad matches happen. I am not what else you wanted him to do with the team selection but it wasn't the reason they lost.

Ultimately, Pakistan batted poorly and their spinners were trash. Sri Lanka spinners came up huge & won them the match. That was the biggest difference IMO. It doesn't help Pakistan dropped some catches in the first inning and let the game get away from them.

Pakistan biggest issue is figuring out their couple of middle order spots (Azhar & Fawad) and having a reliable spinner.

It's finally time for Saud & Kamran to get a proper shot to fix the batting unit.
 
Bad matches happen. I am not what else you wanted him to do with the team selection but it wasn't the reason they lost.
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They went into a Test match with Mohammad Nawaz at number 7, followed by 4 tail-enders. That is flawed tactics and a glaring oversight.
 
Babar isn't going anywhere but he needs to improve in his selection. I hope I am wrong, but it seems that Babar picks his friends. His selection of the likes of Hasan Ali, when clearly they offer nothing is very problematic. Its OK at franchise level but it causes problems in international with the loss of trust
 
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