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Babar Azam : The Test batsman

Much better options than him are rotting in the domestics. Needs to go back to the domestics with the likes of Usman, Fawad, Haris and Umar Akmal taking over. Ballerinas in full flow in this post. Predictable, considering Nawaz Sharif is the current PM, elected by these same short-sighted individuals who make the bulk of population and selection committee.
 
Should be at 4
Shafiq at 3

Ideally should be dropped
Hasn't done anything in the test format
Let Sohail/Alam play
 
My point, is about position no.3

The poster mentioned that he has got 72 at 3. That's why i said, one selfish innings cannot wipe off the reality. Hope that helps you to understand
 
Not the first or the last batsman to get a pair. These lows make the character of a young batsman. He is not a problem and he will eventually deliver. No need of shortsightedness.
 
Mamoon said:
Not the first or the last batsman to get a pair. These lows make the character of a young batsman. He is not a problem and he will eventually deliver. No need of shortsightedness.
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Short sightedness is better, than being blind, i reckon.
 
yeah he has got a way to go, but i dont see how dropping him changes any thing.

Besides this typical Pak mentality of overly blaming the weakest.

Babar has outscored Team Man Khan and Asad Technique in the series thus far, even after a pair, surely that is more damning
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
yeah he has got a way to go, but i dont see how dropping him changes any thing.

Besides this typical Pak mentality of overly blaming the weakest.

Babar has outscored Team Man Khan and Asad Technique in the series thus far, even after a pair, surely that is more damning
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No one is calling for his head . He's new, and it's not his fault.

Management should protect him and play at 5 or 6, till he finds his feat in tests
 
fazleefridi said:
No one is calling for his head . He's new, and it's not his fault.

Management should protect him and play at 5 or 6, till he finds his feat in tests
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He is naturally a top order batsman.

Only a matter of time that he kicks on.

Guys like Babar need patience and preservation.
 
fazleefridi said:
No one is calling for his head . He's new, and it's not his fault.

Management should protect him and play at 5 or 6, till he finds his feat in tests
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Why not throw him in deep water and force him to swim? By the time he's 25-26, he'd have already seen and been through it all.
 
[MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION].. batsmen do get out man.. just 1 match should not decide a player's career. have some patience..
 
captain crook said:
[MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION].. batsmen do get out man.. just 1 match should not decide a player's career. have some patience..
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Did i say he should br dropped?

It's not one match, let me remind you.

What i am asking is, for him to be played at 6
 
Hamza_ said:
He is naturally a top order batsman.

Only a matter of time that he kicks on.

Guys like Babar need patience and preservation.
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He has been given 3 series so far. You can't keep on accepting failures, just for him. It will harm the team and no one should be above team's goals.

Let him earn no.3, rather than throwing him into deep sea.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Why not throw him in deep water and force him to swim? By the time he's 25-26, he'd have already seen and been through it all.
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And by that time, you would be languishing at no.7 in tests, as well. International's are no place to experiment.

It is inevitable, that he'll be dropped to no.5/6 if management has some sense(Which i know, they don't)
 
he should not have been selected in test team so early in the first place. the selectors are mixing test and LOI formats :facepalm: how can anyone justify selecting him before Fawad Alam or Haris Sohail in tests?
 
srh said:
he should not have been selected in test team so early in the first place. the selectors are mixing test and LOI formats :facepalm: how can anyone justify selecting him before Fawad Alam or Haris Sohail in tests?
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Poor Babar. I am afraid, this might affect his ODI batting
 
fazleefridi said:
And by that time, you would be languishing at no.7 in tests, as well. International's are no place to experiment.

It is inevitable, that he'll be dropped to no.5/6 if management has some sense(Which i know, they don't)
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Thankfully they're the sensible ones in this case.
 
srh said:
he should not have been selected in test team so early in the first place. the selectors are mixing test and LOI formats :facepalm: how can anyone justify selecting him before Fawad Alam or Haris Sohail in tests?
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I think he deserved a spot in the Test side based on the good start hes had to his ODI career .

Haris looks like a LOI specialist to me .
 
fazleefridi said:
I am a creation, creator knows the best.
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You're the one alleging favouritism so you need to back it up.

The way I see it, Arthur sees Babar as the long-term #3 so he wants to give him chances at the spot so that he can learn.

The alternatives? Misbah and Younis won't bat at 3.

Shafiq is on the verge of being dropped and is still playing the way he did when he came onto the scene.
 
jusarrived said:
I think he deserved a spot in the Test side based on the good start hes had to his ODI career .

Haris looks like a LOI specialist to me .
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Babar's average quite low in FC in domestics; there are batsmen averaging 50+ in FC in domestics and yet Babar was selected over them :facepalm:
 
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fazleefridi said:
Haha, nepotism at its best
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Abdullah719 said:
Arthur is related to Babar? :danish
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fazleefridi said:
You need not be related, to support.

Please brother, don't ask silly questions.
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Abdullah719 said:
So why would Arthur be biased towards Babar?
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fazleefridi said:
I am a creation, creator knows the best.
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Brother [MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION].. better talk when you have proper facts or proofs. Don't blabber away for the sake of it.
 
Abdullah719 said:
You're the one alleging favouritism so you need to back it up.

The way I see it, Arthur sees Babar as the long-term #3 so he wants to give him chances at the spot so that he can learn.

The alternatives? Misbah and Younis won't bat at 3.

Shafiq is on the verge of being dropped and is still playing the way he did when he came onto the scene.
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Sorry, as i said i can't, because i am not the knower of the unseen.

Let me explain, in urdu, if you need.

Mujhe Ghaib ka ilm nahi. Allaah hi jaanta hai.

Just because he sees him as a long term prospect, he can't play him, when he's not earned it.

Places need to be earned, especially in tests. You cannot play someone, just because you see him as a long term prospect, which in turn causes problems to the team.

Just beacuse Misbah, Younis and Asad, can't play at 3, you can't make Babar, a scapegoat.
 
fazleefridi said:
He is a fine player in ODI'S
Decent player in T20I'S

But I am really concerned about his test batting.

Yes, he has to play tests. But, I don't think he's ready to be a no.3 in tests.

Asad, with good experience, is hiding himself at 6 and poor Babar has to play at 3.

He's a stroke making player, and should start at 6, in tests. Can be moved up later.
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Good Idea, Asad can fail at #3 rather than fail # 6. I have high hopes for Babar, so he should be given the best spot. like 4 or 5. since both will be vacant after the next match
 
srh said:
Babar's average quite low in FC in domestics; there are batsmen averaging 50+ in FC in domestics and yet Babar was selected over them :facepalm:
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I know that and I have said in the past that I have doubts about him as a Test batsmen , he has pretty similiar issues as Akmal brothers albeit to a lesser extent . I think playing him anything above no4 is pointless , will only make it difficult for him to suceed in the format .

The selectors though cannot be blamed here , they need to start finding replacements for YK and Misbah soon , so there will be few slots which will open up for other deserving batsmen .
 
captain crook said:
Makes zero sense. He will only develop his game when given chances at the top of the order. #3 is perfect for him.
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fazleefridi said:
You need not be related, to support.

Please brother, don't ask silly questions.
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We don't know yet but it may be a case of #3 being the Only Vacant Position where other 'Established Players' don't want to bat.

As a case study, Ponting started his Test career batting at #5/6 IIRC and moved up the order with time. But they had a well settled top 4 when he started his career.

May be Arthur and/or Babar had no other option.

I never liked the idea of Babar at #3 in tests. But it has been enough time now to get on with his understandings of the game. It's better if he continues at #3 now. NOW HE KNOWS.
 
Yes drop him and drop Shafiq too.

YK and Misbah are leaving.

Let's also drop Shehzad for being too lucky and only scoring 70 after being given 3 lives.

Then me and [MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION] can open the innings.
 
Want him to score a hundred with a long Partnership with Younis. Players in past have learned alot while they have batted with Younis.

Needs guidance upon constructing an innings and how to remain focused.

Needs to forget the pair as early as possible.
 
Square Drive said:
Yes drop him and drop Shafiq too.

YK and Misbah are leaving.

Let's also drop Shehzad for being too lucky and only scoring 70 after being given 3 lives.

Then me and [MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION] can open the innings.
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:lol some people eh? If you drop people on the basis of a couple of failed innings then there would be 11 Bradman's in a team.
 
Square Drive said:
Yes drop him and drop Shafiq too.

YK and Misbah are leaving.

Let's also drop Shehzad for being too lucky and only scoring 70 after being given 3 lives.

Then me and [MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION] can open the innings.
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I am not that good, you open with Azhar ali..haha
 
Rubbish.. He will eventually come good. Fans should show some patience before panning him out.
 
fazleefridi said:
Yes, let him lose his confidence. If management, had some knowledge, they would have played him at 5 or 6
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You clearly have zero idea how confidence works. Demoting someone breaks their confidence, persisting with them and asking them to do their best without any fear of a demotion brings the best of out of them.

Pakistanis, being the jazbati kaum that they are, losing their heads after an easy to diagnose loss is quite expected.
 
Square Drive said:
Yes drop him and drop Shafiq too.

YK and Misbah are leaving.

Let's also drop Shehzad for being too lucky and only scoring 70 after being given 3 lives.

Then me and [MENTION=140419]fazleefridi[/MENTION] can open the innings.
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Don't forget dropping Yasir, Shadab and Amir as well. All these ignorant and childish posters that have recently signed up for Pakpassion want the team to have a makeover after every loss. Hilarious at first but now it's tiresome to read the same garbage over and over again.

Azhar, Shehzad, Babar, Shafiq, Shah, Sarfaraz, Amir, Riaz are going nowhere.
 
First get rid of Azhar and Shafiq from the team who still haven't learnt to play cricket even after getting so many chances
 
It's ok we are rebuiliding. You lot are so greedy. We were just #1. The only way was down. Now it's time to see Pakistan toil at the bottom before we rise up and become champions once more. Babar is a big part in that. Give him time.
 
I would back him on ability even if his early scores aren't that good. Pakistan just doesn't have enough quality batsmen to ignore one of their more promising ones.
 
Mamoon said:
Not the first or the last batsman to get a pair. These lows make the character of a young batsman. He is not a problem and he will eventually deliver. No need of shortsightedness.
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Maybe the case. But not at number 3 it's too important a position in tests. Open with Sami aslam and ahmed Shezad drop Azhar to 3 or try Umer Amin or Haris Sohail at 3. If babar has to stay in the side it should not be at 3.
 
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fazleefridi said:
He is a fine player in ODI'S
Decent player in T20I'S

But I am really concerned about his test batting.

Yes, he has to play tests. But, I don't think he's ready to be a no.3 in tests.

Asad, with good experience, is hiding himself at 6 and poor Babar has to play at 3.

He's a stroke making player, and should start at 6, in tests. Can be moved up later.
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Babar should play at 5. Asad can move up at 3 and if he fails there, then Asad should be dropped permanently. I mean Asad Shafiq can't play odi & T20s, but is a test batsman only. But he performs once in a blue moon. Kind of Like how Wahab Riaz is in bowling. Mohd Abbas looks like a real wicket taker compared to Wahab.
 
Be patient. Its not like you have many talented batsman waiting to replace him. I have stopped taking anyone seriously who says "Pakistan mein talent bohot hai" nowadays.
 
samiakh said:
Maybe the case. But not at number 3 it's too important a position in tests. Open with Sami aslam and ahmed Shezad drop Azhar to 3 or try Umer Amin or Haris Sohail at 3. If babar has to stay in the side it should not be at 3.
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You have to play your best batsman at that position. Babar's all-round game is superior to an other young Pakistani batsman, and he is expected to carry the batting for the next 10-15 years. Much like in ODIs, I would prefer him at 3 and Haris at 4.

Azhar was a decent number 3 but he is a world class opener. There is no need of tinkering with him, his batting style is not suited to the number 3 position. You need someone more dynamic there.
 
Past year in Tests:

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Abdullah719 said:
Past year in Tests:

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Azhar has to go.

A senior averaging 17 over the course of 6 tests is unacceptable.

Averaging around 35-36 isn't good by any means but it's bearable. Though 2 of the most senior batsmen in the team performing at a level that can only be termed 'bearable' is downright pathetic.
 
Babar can break all the records (in LOIs) he wants, but to be considered a great batsman these are the few things I'd expect from him in tests.

- Avg of at least 48 (with 45+ in SENA)
- At least two double hundreds, with 4-5 150+ scores (against top 8)
- Three to four match winning knocks
- At least one match winning knock batting with the tail enders

His 50s, 70s and 100s are not good enough to be called a WC batsman.
 
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