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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

saeed5646 said:
He is struggling in odis from some time also his test average have dropped significantly .he made a good start to international career but now turning into another Robin uthappa
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Today he was batting perfectly on pitch which assist so much swing & seam .but still he need lots of improvement .
 
I'm confused!
Is this rahul the same as kl rahul(i might have got the intials wrong, i dont watch much indian cricket)?
 
It will be shameful for Babar if he ended anything less than 50 hundreds in ODIs & 27 hundreds in tests. A player of 25,000 runs in international cricket (tests+ODIs), it will be an achievement for rahul if he managed to score half of the Babar's runs.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
It will be shameful for Babar if he ended anything less than 50 hundreds in ODIs & 27 hundreds in tests. A player of 25,000 runs in international cricket (tests+ODIs), it will be an achievement for rahul if he managed to score half of the Babar's runs.
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But,but,but those will be quality runs, as compared to useless soft runs by babar.As such KL will remain better than babar even if he gets dumped by india in near future.
 
Number of chances Rahul has got, would've probably made a world class batsman out of someone like Mayank.
 
MP2011 said:
Number of chances Rahul has got, would've probably made a world class batsman out of someone like Mayank.
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He has got chances, but only recently has he got a consistent run. Before that, they only looked him as a backup opener and he never got a decent run even when performing well.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
He has got chances, but only recently has he got a consistent run. Before that, they only looked him as a backup opener and he never got a decent run even when performing well.
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How recent is your recent?

Mind you I'm talking about all the chances he has got in all formats of the game.
 
As for your backup opener theory, well he himself was unwilling to play in middle over and was adamant to play as an opener only.
 
Well if we remember correctly Rohit was playing similar or even worse than Rahul few years back, but he was given a long run for same reasons! (unavailability of quick replacements!) And during that period there were similar discussions here on PP mocking Rohit, calling him as "No-Hit", lazy guy, Mumbai-Lobby, etc, etc! Still he is mocked sometimes for his weakness against moving balls, slow-pace in the beginning, not finding place in Test Cricket, etc, etc! Still he is termed sometimes blatantly as FTB - yesterday I think he definitely played well on a sportive pitch, but still people mock him! Of course he got some lives, but you cannot expect "Gods" to come on earth to play cricket to make it look all perfect & out of world!

You cannot always have "magical" players like Kohli, Sachin, etc, to enter into the stage and start performing flawlessly! You need other kind of players also who go through tough-phase, different responsibilities, different expectations, etc! Rohit cannot be replaced now even by future "magical" players so easily, that's what he has earned through his experience...

Rahul may or may not become another Rohit, but as of now he is that second grade player in the Indian team and may continue to play for some time (and will continue further only if he grows like Rohit eventually!) You need some secondary players also in the team, even the great Aussie-team had such second-grade players like Damien Fleming who played crucial role in winning 1 world cup for them! I always felt that he is one weak-link-bowler whenever Indians played against Australia and wondered how strong Australian-team who produce maximum "magical" players can include below-par players like him! But it happens so and finally he ended up with decent record in ODIs (but couldn't play more tests because of the competition in Australian Cricket!) This is the practicality of cricket & cricketers!
 
And South Africa which was such a strong team in the past are finding difficulty to have one batsman of Rohit's caliber or at least Rahul...
 
Rahul helped to build a valuable partnership, yesterday. Anyone else would have folded up easily.
 
spiderreddy said:
Backing KL Rahul to outscore Babar in this WC
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Absolute make or break for Rahul as far as I am concerned! He has got all the luck flowing towards him (WC berth ahead of all other probables who were also working hard! Yes even he worked hard for that! And then a luck in the practice match & got cemented in the playing XI... Now even more luck of Dhawan getting injured and playing in his favorite opening position for few matches!) He cannot be any luckier than this (for whatever unlucky treatment if at all he faced in the past, this is HUGE-HUGE lucky opportunity which overshadows everything, and he should not be giving anymore excuses!)

If he doesn't do well in this WC, then I won't mind to put a full stop to his international career (stick to IPL like Uthappa) and look for other prospects (even in Tests there are many! All of them deserve chances ahead of him like Mayank, Shaw, Pant, Gill, etc in opening in the middle order everywhere! India should/will be looking for fresh-breeze after WC and there will be plenty of changes and makeovers with some people retiring and some phasing out!)

So he should come up with some special performances by the end of WC to remain in the team! He should not take this as pressure but as challenge! Let's see...
 
Sidilicious said:
TBF, Babar had to deal with a superior bowling line up as compared to KL Rahul. Bhuvi's injury did help Babar though.
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Credit where credit is due, KL didn't lose his wicket against amir and helped Rohit by not having to face amir much initially and let him settle. After first 3 overs were over from amir then the bowling was easy compared to what Babar faced from our spinners.

However I will still say the first 3 overs from amir were toughest to face in this match for Asian players.
 
Sidilicious said:
TBF, Babar had to deal with a superior bowling line up as compared to KL Rahul. Bhuvi's injury did help Babar though.
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Credit where credit is due, KL didn't lose his wicket against amir and helped Rohit by not having to face amir much initially and let him settle. After first 3 overs were over from amir then the bowling was easy compared to what Babar faced from our spinners.

However I will still say the first 3 overs from amir were toughest to face in this match for Asian players.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Credit where credit is due, KL didn't lose his wicket against amir and helped Rohit by not having to face amir much initially and let him settle. After first 3 overs were over from amir then the bowling was easy compared to what Babar faced from our spinners.

However I will still say the first 3 overs from amir were toughest to face in this match for Asian players.
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fair point. Not taking anything away from KL. He played well today, especially not losing a wicket early.

But I dont think it was way better than Babar. They both played an equal innings.
 
KL was struggling even after Amir's first spell.

There is no evidence that he is a match winner either.

Both KL and Babar are well below someone like Rohit who actually wins you matches.
 
Babar miles ahead no comparison but he’s becoming kuldeeps bunny but the only way Rahul will outscore babar is if Rahul plays more matches than babar which he probably will even still it’s highly unlikely he will outscore him and babar is the type of player that odds start at if he will score over 45 or under shows you how he’s even rated by betting sites
 
If KL gets to open consistently, only then it’s fair to compare the two . It was a good innings from him today , curbed his instincts and played out Amir , though he should stop gifting his wickets after doing all the hard work .
I would still think KL will end his career a notch above Babar , he’s got that extra gear which will make a big difference in LOIs in long run
 
Sin Nombre said:
KL was struggling even after Amir's first spell.

There is no evidence that he is a match winner either.

Both KL and Babar are well below someone like Rohit who actually wins you matches.
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Not sure why you are even bringing in Rohit here who’s a been around for more than a decade . Rohit was much worse than both these batsmen for years before he started scoring runs .
 
Sin Nombre said:
KL was struggling even after Amir's first spell.

There is no evidence that he is a match winner either.

Both KL and Babar are well below someone like Rohit who actually wins you matches.
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KL Rahul may not be as consistent as Babar, but he is a match winner in all three formats of the game
 
Sin Nombre said:
He is only a matchwinner in T20Is as is Babar. He has only won one match in tests or ODIs.
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How can he win matches in ODIs when he’s only played 15 games in last 4 years ? Even that bulk of them he was played as a middle order bat
 
Time and time again it will prove that this kl does not deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence.


As Babar Azam
 
Gill will leave everyone to dust soon. We don’t need nervous guys batting. India set higher bar for batsmen.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Gill will leave everyone to dust soon. We don’t need nervous guys batting. India set higher bar for batsmen.
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Rohit Sharma was far worse for a good first 5 years of his career . He’s nervous , cos he’s played 16 games in last 4 years and half of those in the middle order . Gill will not survive either if he’s not given a consistent run .
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Gill will leave everyone to dust soon. We don’t need nervous guys batting. India set higher bar for batsmen.
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Most likely Openings for India After the WC
Pant for Dhoni.
Gill for Jhadav but will bat in place of Shankar.
Prithwi Shaw in place of Kl Rahul if he fails in the remaining WC games
 
jusarrived said:
Rohit Sharma was far worse for a good first 5 years of his career . He’s nervous , cos he’s played 16 games in last 4 years and half of those in the middle order . Gill will not survive either if he’s not given a consistent run .
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Rohit Sharma is an anomaly ms changing his position transformed him into a different beast. Gill is actually very good he has it all and I believe he can perform at the big stage unlike Rahul. I rate Rahul very highly he’s great to watch he has all the shots all the potential but it’s just he can’t score at the highest level for some reason it’s just sad for India’s cause tbh but I believe gill won’t make it to the indian team until kohli is captain cause he likes Rahul a lot cause maybe he looks like him and all his uselsss off the field style and glamour
 
I appreciate Rahul filling up decently the huge vacuum created by Dhawan. He should go big like 100. That is what Indian top 3 have been known for in the last few years.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I appreciate Rahul filling up decently the huge vacuum created by Dhawan.
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Hasn't done any sort of ahsaan on Indian team. He was chosen in a world cup team for heaven's sake, every cricketer's dream. If he won't step in if someone gets injured, when else will he?

Whether you like it or not, he hasn't fulfilled even 1/4 of potential he has till date. And potential without performances is nothing to brag about.
 
Dingolfy said:
He is miles ahead of Rahul in ODIs but equally mediocre as him in Tests. Rahul is a beast in T20s though.
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Babar average over 50 in tests since last year and is the number 1 t20 batsman. Rahul , even though admittedly more talented than any Pakistani batsman, looks like a Pakistani batsman in the mould of Asad Shafiq when he is out there batting. Mental midget.
 
Madplayer said:
Babar average over 50 in tests since last year and is the number 1 t20 batsman. Rahul , even though admittedly more talented than any Pakistani batsman, looks like a Pakistani batsman in the mould of Asad Shafiq when he is out there batting. Mental midget.
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Babar is a mental midget too. Always bottles when pressure is on. Same reason why you are poor chasers.
Rahul had great test averages too when he played on Indian pattas. His deficiencies got exposed while touring abroad. Babar was struggling to score even in UAE and only recently upped his ante. I would change my opinion once he continues this form in Tests in the coming seasons too.
And in T20s, Rahul’s power game is way better than Babar and that reflects in his strike rate too.
 
Dingolfy said:
Babar is a mental midget too. Always bottles when pressure is on. Same reason why you are poor chasers.
Rahul had great test averages too when he played on Indian pattas. His deficiencies got exposed while touring abroad. Babar was struggling to score even in UAE and only recently upped his ante. I would change my opinion once he continues this form in Tests in the coming seasons too.
And in T20s, Rahul’s power game is way better than Babar and that reflects in his strike rate too.
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This is my reply for the previous post you quoted me in and this as well babar number 1 t20 international batsman.

Rahul is a IPL basher.

Babar miles ahead in Odis and always will be.

Rahul won’t ever come close and will be dropped sooner or later.


Tests Babar will be always better as well because he is already a one of the best odi bats going around.

Rahul doesn’t have interest in test cricket and he likes his instagram followers more so I don’t see him being in the test side if he continues his odi performance.

This must seem a very weird response from me you may think but like I said some kl rahul cannot be mentioned in the same sentence as.

Babar Azam.
 
KL Rahul is not just IPL basher. He averages 45 with a strike rate of 150 in T20Is.

In tests he has 4 centuries outside India. How many centuries does Babar have in total.

Babar has edge only in ODIs. We will get to know whether KL Rahul has it in him to be a good ODI player by end of this WC.

People asking not to put Rahul and Babar in same sentence should ask their boy to score a test hundred in Australia and England first then talk :smith
 
So far in this WC

Babar - 232 runs - 46 avg - 88 SR
Rahul - 124 runs - 41 avg - 70 SR

Babar is leading
 
spiderreddy said:
KL Rahul is not just IPL basher. He averages 45 with a strike rate of 150 in T20Is.

In tests he has 4 centuries outside India. How many centuries does Babar have in total.

Babar has edge only in ODIs. We will get to know whether KL Rahul has it in him to be a good ODI player by end of this WC.

People asking not to put Rahul and Babar in same sentence should ask their boy to score a test hundred in Australia and England first then talk :smith
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Has 5 centuries but still averages less than babar lol.
 
spiderreddy said:
KL Rahul is not just IPL basher. He averages 45 with a strike rate of 150 in T20Is.

In tests he has 4 centuries outside India. How many centuries does Babar have in total.

Babar has edge only in ODIs. We will get to know whether KL Rahul has it in him to be a good ODI player by end of this WC.

People asking not to put Rahul and Babar in same sentence should ask their boy to score a test hundred in Australia and England first then talk :smith
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JUst check Babar t20 record..He is cathching up in tests as well.KL
rahul has gone down.no comparison at the moment.
 
DRsohail said:
JUst check Babar t20 record..He is cathching up in tests as well.KL
rahul has gone down.no comparison at the moment.
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What T20 stats ? 54 AVG with 129 s/r ? Rahul avgs 45 with 150 SR
Rahul might have gone down, but still he averages same as Babar in tests.
:shafiq2
 
spiderreddy said:
KL Rahul is not just IPL basher. He averages 45 with a strike rate of 150 in T20Is.

In tests he has 4 centuries outside India. How many centuries does Babar have in total.

Babar has edge only in ODIs. We will get to know whether KL Rahul has it in him to be a good ODI player by end of this WC.

People asking not to put Rahul and Babar in same sentence should ask their boy to score a test hundred in Australia and England first then talk :smith
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There is no comparison in tests, Rahul is far ahead, Babar has nothing to show for in tests except a 90 in NZ and a few cutipie shots to Steyn.
 
In tests, it would be sheer stupidity to play KL Rahul over players like Agarwal and Prithvi. So I hope that Rahul never plays tests for us again. Thank you for your services and thank you for flopping so bad in Oz that Agarwal was SOSed.
 
Hyperion66 said:
What no comparison? You are talking as if Babar wining you matches left, right, center.
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He has won us matches yes..KL has potential but at the moment comparison is not justified except tests where KL hs been too incosistent and was out of the team for a reason.ICC ranking will tell that.When Rahul jumps even near him then we will start comparison...ta the moment no comparison yes.
 
BreadPakoda said:
In tests, it would be sheer stupidity to play KL Rahul over players like Agarwal and Prithvi. So I hope that Rahul never plays tests for us again. Thank you for your services and thank you for flopping so bad in Oz that Agarwal was SOSed.
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But he scored 5 centuries....India have good that I do not know why they keep on this show off guy in the team.
 
Hyperion66 said:
There is no comparison in tests, Rahul is far ahead, Babar has nothing to show for in tests except a 90 in NZ and a few cutipie shots to Steyn.
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!27 vs AUs and a good gutsy 68 vs Eng,a ood season in SA,his test ranking can tell you.
 
DRsohail said:
He has won us matches yes..
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Have those matches taken place in parallel universe? Because on this earth they haven't occured yet. Come back when Babar does something to write home about else he will always be considered as poor man's Amla. Rahul, albeit inconsistent, is a match winner while Babar at his best can play nice second fiddle with better and more aggressive batsmen, like Hafiz or Harris for example.
 
DRsohail said:
!27 vs AUs and a good gutsy 68 vs Eng,a ood season in SA,his test ranking can tell you.
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Again in parallel universe you might have won that match but here you lost to Aus. That gutsy 68 you are talking about he was overshadowed and outperformed by Hafiz of all people. As I said only good for accumulating and playing handy second fiddle.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Again in parallel universe you might have won that match but here you lost to Aus. That gutsy 68 you are talking about he was overshadowed and outperformed by Hafiz of all people. As I said only good for accumulating and playing handy second fiddle.
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You looks to be a kid not watching the test cricket,his 127 in tests was in winning cause,he scored 91 against Nz on defficult pitch,he scored 68 in england in test get your facts right,he is one of the reason we have been winning t20 lately,his odi inning is of great value in keeping the batting of a fragile line up together,Imagine him playing in with likes of Kohli and Rohit,He would have been far superior.This Rahul guy even does not deserve to be in Indian odi or test team and Agarwal showed that in Aus tour,fans like you are the reason India have not been so ruthless despite the talent they have in batting.Sorry for hasrh words but its true.
 
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Hyperion66 said:
Have those matches taken place in parallel universe? Because on this earth they haven't occured yet. Come back when Babar does something to write home about else he will always be considered as poor man's Amla. Rahul, albeit inconsistent, is a match winner while Babar at his best can play nice second fiddle with better and more aggressive batsmen, like Hafiz or Harris for example.
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Lolz,,,,I cannot help you in that regard,Play Rahul if he wins matches for you but I have to see him doing that for India.
 
DRsohail said:
You looks to be a kid not watching the test cricket,his 127 in tests was in winning cause,he scored 91 against Nz on defficult pitch,he scored 68 in england in test get your facts right,he is one of the reason we have been winning t20 lately,his odi inning is of great value in keeping the batting of a fragile line up together,Imagine him playing in with likes of Kohli and Rohit,He would have been far superior.This Rahul guy even does not deserve to be in Indian odi or test team and Agarwal showed that in Aus tour,fans like you are the reason India have not been so ruthless despite the talent they have in batting.Sorry for hasrh words but its true.
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Sorry I thought you were talking bout that selfish odi knock against Aus. My bad entirely. You posts are a bit incoherent, I thought you are talking about Odis. Okay so what's so special about a knock in Uae and a bloody half century? No, if he was Indian he would probably never get to play test alongside Kohli given his poor First Class record. Rahul may not deserve a place because we have superior bats waiting you don't. BTW one poor series in AUS shouldn't mean much to you, your legends has been operating their own poultry firms in Australia their since ages.

You have an opinion that I may not agree but I surely respect it. You don't have to be sorry about anything. BTW it is bad manners to call someone kid if you don't know about his age, just so you know.
 
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