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Babar is a fantastic batsmen. He is carrying the Pakistan team the way Quinton de Kock does it for South Africa.
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Babar also scored 43 off 19 against SA. So he is definitely capable
What Hyperion wants is for Babar to score 43 off 19 and get out the next ball so he has a score of 30+ with a strike rate of 200+
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Babar is slowly starting the conversation to make it the fab five...
Rahul is fighting for his place in the side and not be a failed talent
Rahul is fighting for his place in the side and not be a failed talent
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Mate I am not pretending, you are the one desperately trying to prove part of an innings to be an innings. Babar hasn't played a single 30+ innings at 200+, am I wrong? No. Which is quite embarrassing for a so called top t20 bat. The day Babar achieve this massive feat, which I highly doubt he will, I will accept that I was wrong.
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Babar also scored 43 off 19 against SA. So he is definitely capable
What Hyperion wants is for Babar to score 43 off 19 and get out the next ball so he has a score of 30+ with a strike rate of 200+
Some people can be unreasonable.
Also, there is more pressure on Babar because if he doesn't perform or play long innings then Pakistan struggles. As we saw, when Babar failed Pakistan was whitewashed by SL and barely crossed a 100 in AUS. So he has to make sure he doesn't give away his wicket while still scoring at a high SR. This puts extra pressure on him, especially now that he is the captain and responsible for his team's performance.
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Babar is number 1 in T20, 3 in ODIs, and 7 in test. These are facts based of actual performance. Those who claim that there are dozens of batsmen better than him in each format or across formats, those claims are nothing but opinions of some random people.
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You're not wrong, but you're putting an arbitrary qualifier. When Kohli had played his first 38 innings in this format, he hadn't played an innings at 200 SR either and his overall SR was 131 but he was still ranked as the #1 T20I batsman.
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There is no fab 4, just a big 2 and the rest.
I would take Babar over KW in both LOI formats, and he is catching up to Root.
Over all 3 formats, I would probably take Rohit and Warner over both Root and KW.
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You too man!! Like seriously? Kohli was player of the series in 2014 t20 WC, won match in England, won a series in Australia before his 38th match, has Babar done anything even close to these? At least dekho who you are comparing Babar with!! [MENTION=142782]Darkrai[/MENTION]
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I wasn't comparing with Kohli. Just pointing out that your arbitrary statistical qualifier isn't really a useful measure to judge anything.
Pretty much everyone has already accepted Rahul has a better power game, but you're the only one suggesting it's 'embarrassing' for a top-ranked batsman to not have a 200-SR innings. Well, he isn't the first and won't be the last...
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Babar's lack of a power-game is not an issue for the Pak NT. That is also not his primary role.
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Kohli was no power hitter back then but the impact he still had on the games, the sheer amount of matches he won just by playing by the books shots was freaksh to say the least. He deserved that ranking more than anyone. Babar hasn't done anything remotely close to what he achieved after playing same number of games plus he doesn't have a single 30+ innings at 180. So he can't score very fast, not exactly a match winner away from home, hasn't chased anything of note, can you blame me when I doubt his ranking?
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What is hyperion trying to deny?
Babar is a top 10 batsman in ODIs.
Babar is a top 10 batsman in tests.
Babar is a top 10 batsman in T20s.
KL is better than Babar in T20s, and is a top 5 batsman in this one format.
Warner and Kohli are the top 2 batters in T20s.
Babar is a top 10 batsman in ODIs.
Babar is a top 10 batsman in tests.
Babar is a top 10 batsman in T20s.
KL is better than Babar in T20s, and is a top 5 batsman in this one format.
Warner and Kohli are the top 2 batters in T20s.
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Babar azam is ranked 3 in odis and 1 in t20 So more like he is in top 5 in 2 format only format where he is he is lagging is test where he is ranked 7 which is also very close to top 5
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These kind of posts is why there are posts to the other extreme underrating Babar.
Babar is not the best batsman in T20s. In what world is he better than Warner or Kohli? Even the likes of Maxwell, Morgan, Finch, KL are clearly better than him in T20s.
Babar is in the next group which is still an achievement (still top 10)
These are stats for the last 2 years for T20Is for matches amongst the top 8 teams (minimum 10 innings)
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Any one will take babar over KL Rahul when it comes to All Format player
So Babar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> KL Rahul
So Babar >>>>>>>>>>>>>> KL Rahul
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I dont get it why indian 14 years old posters are comparing both in only one format its not only skewed , distracting, Biased
But believe me if there is still a slight debate that who is better t20 bat then i see it as win for babar
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Some PP posters need to improve their reading comprehension.
Babar is obviously miles better than KL, all formats considered. It is not a competition at this point.
KL is better than Babar in T20s.
Babar is not the best batsman in the world in T20s either.
Best guys in T20 average over 40 and have a S/R above 140 (see Maxwell, Warner, Kohli, KL over the last 2 years).
Babar is obviously miles better than KL, all formats considered. It is not a competition at this point.
KL is better than Babar in T20s.
Babar is not the best batsman in the world in T20s either.
Best guys in T20 average over 40 and have a S/R above 140 (see Maxwell, Warner, Kohli, KL over the last 2 years).
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Not denying any of that except I would take Roy, Rohit, Rahul and Finch over Warner as far as t20s are concerned.
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Epic series for Kohli against Boland, Tye, Faulkner!
Babar's 2 fifties in the recent series in Australia were better than Kohli's innings. It was against a real attack with Starc and Cummins, not against club level bowling attack.
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The hypocrisy against Babar is just too big here by some indian posters.
"Babar can't be the best batsman because his SR is just 128".
And they will, without any problem call Rohit Sharma better than Finch, Munro for example. When these 2 guys SR 20 more than Rohit does and Finch also averages 7 more.
At least Babar has the average and the consistency that's sets him apart from the rest (apart Kohli). Rahul has a superb combo of average/SR, but Rohit has nothing that's sets him apart. He is bettered in everything.
"Babar can't be the best batsman because his SR is just 128".
And they will, without any problem call Rohit Sharma better than Finch, Munro for example. When these 2 guys SR 20 more than Rohit does and Finch also averages 7 more.
At least Babar has the average and the consistency that's sets him apart from the rest (apart Kohli). Rahul has a superb combo of average/SR, but Rohit has nothing that's sets him apart. He is bettered in everything.
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Babar can't even play 30+ innings at 200 against a club level attack , he faced his fair share of Silapana and Junior dalas. This is how ordinary he is in this format, a stat padder through and through and zero impact outside his slow low paradise.
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The 2 fifties mentioned were in Australia and against Starc, Cummins.
If you think it's nothing go and check Kohli's ODI record in Australia when Starc, Hazlewood and/or Cummins play.
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You don’t even know what you’re going on about yourself.
He can score 30 runs off 15 if that’s what you want
He scored 40 odd off 18 against SA albeit it was his first 18 balls of his innings
So What are you even trying to say?
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Hyperion over here wants Babar to score 30 off 14 and get out on the next ball just so Hyperion’s criteria can be met
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If Rahul continues to flourish, he’s going to be an incredible player for India. Very good comparison indeed. Love to see how they stand by end of this year. My gut says Babar will score loads of runs while Rahul will make impactful runs as his team already has players who can play like Babar.
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So you mean to say that Babar would only score unimpactful but loads of runs ?
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Just one poster keeping this thread alive. I think we should park this thread until the time Rahul threatens Babar's rankings in atleast one format. Babar is so far ahead that this thread is laughable.
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Hyperion over here wants Babar to score 30 off 14 and get out on the next ball just so Hyperion’s criteria can be met
It is hard for some people to digest that we have a batter that can out bat most of their batsmen . And frankly the criteria he is using, Afridi has to be the ATG in T20 format.
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Lol keep manipulating stats to suit your agenda but the fact is Babar is like a homeless man's Hashim Amla, will continue playing zero impact innings outside his slow low paradise, he will never be a match winner like Kohli. Kohli was player of the series in two world cups something Babar can never achieve even in his dreams. One has to be completely brianwashed to even think that Babar is at all comparable to Kohli.
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Come back when Babar wins you matches against Starc and Cummins. Bara aaya Starc Cummins dikhane lol ��
Babar is a pretty good and effective player for his team. He is scoring runs consistently for last 3 years like any top International batsman against most opposition and in most conditions, his stats is a big testimony for the same.
Is he effective for his team and a major factor for his team's success? Damn yes
Is there better batsmen than Babar in T20 and ODI? Absolutely yes but just because they are good for their team does not make Babar any less impactful for his team.
Is KL Rahul talented and can be as good as Babar in LOI? Yes he can if he is ready to put his head down and continue to score loads of runs for his team under trying conditions for next couple of years atleast.
Not seeing why there is so much denial on either side.
Is he effective for his team and a major factor for his team's success? Damn yes
Is there better batsmen than Babar in T20 and ODI? Absolutely yes but just because they are good for their team does not make Babar any less impactful for his team.
Is KL Rahul talented and can be as good as Babar in LOI? Yes he can if he is ready to put his head down and continue to score loads of runs for his team under trying conditions for next couple of years atleast.
Not seeing why there is so much denial on either side.
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You don't often win when your team is not good enough. But you Can still be the best. Just like Tendulkar and Lara played a big part of there careers in teams that often lost but were still part of the best.
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Please don't mention Babar in the same breath as Lara and SRT. As cricket fans we shouldn't disrespect the legends like that. I wouldn't support you if you do the same with say Shaheen and Wasim.
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Obviously i didn't know bcci have their own ranking system which indian fans follow. just pointed out what is babar azam actual ranking according to official icc website.
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LoL even Rahul or Babar would not be thinking other as competition and you guys are fighting over this. Either discuss with facts and figures or just be silent which is much better. Grown up kids ...
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So you mean to say that Babar would only score unimpactful but loads of runs ?
No, I meant Babar will be in the mould of Kohli whereas Rahul will be in the mould of Finch or Guptill. Hope you get the difference.
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T20Is
Babar : 38 Inns, 1471 runs, 128 SR
Rahul : 38 Inns, 1461 runs, 146 SR
Babar : 38 Inns, 1471 runs, 128 SR
Rahul : 38 Inns, 1461 runs, 146 SR
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What’s the point of posting the same stats again and again?
Go celebrate that Rahul is currently playing better than Babar in a format that most people see as a joke.
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Rahul has indeed picked up his game. Seems to also have an improved temperament. Even captained fairly well.
I wonder if this will have any positive impact on his ODI batting.
I wonder if this will have any positive impact on his ODI batting.
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Babar - 47 inns, 1707 runs, hundred away from home -1
KL Rahul -
After 47 inns, 1811 runs, hundred away from home - 4
Babar - 47 inns, 1707 runs, hundred away from home -1
KL Rahul -
After 47 inns, 1811 runs, hundred away from home - 4
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These numbers, do need some context though. For example, what was the average SR of the batsmen who played in the matches played by Babar vs that of Rahul. Only then we will get a conclusive proof.
However, looking at both of them bat, I do believe that Rahul is the better T20I batsman.
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Look at where Babar is now and where Rahul is.
How the tables have turned
Kudos to Babar and shame on Rahul that he averages 20 in the last 2 years
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Babar - 47 inns, 1707 runs, 4 hundreds and 13 fifties and an average of 42.67
Rahul - 60 inns, 2006 runs, 5 hundreds and 11 fifties and an average of 34.58
Babar - 47 inns, 1707 runs, 4 hundreds and 13 fifties and an average of 42.67
Rahul - 60 inns, 2006 runs, 5 hundreds and 11 fifties and an average of 34.58
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ODIs:
Babar - 72 inns, 3359 runs, 11 hundreds and 15 fifties, an average of 54.17 at a strike rate of 87.08
KLegund Rahul - 28 inns, 1035 runs, 3 hundreds and 6 fifties, an average of 43.12 at a strike rate of 83.60
Babar - 72 inns, 3359 runs, 11 hundreds and 15 fifties, an average of 54.17 at a strike rate of 87.08
KLegund Rahul - 28 inns, 1035 runs, 3 hundreds and 6 fifties, an average of 43.12 at a strike rate of 83.60
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Test
Babar : player of the match - 0
Rahul : player of the match - 2
Babar : player of the match - 0
Rahul : player of the match - 2
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World cup MOTM
Babar: 1
Rahul: 0
Babar: 1
Rahul: 0
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I'm sure his 30 runs off 40 will be very impactful
Rahul has surpassed Babar in T20Is
Babar has far surpassed Rahul in Tests and it is unlikely Rahul will ever become the kind of lynchpin for India that Babar is for Pak
It will be interesting to see if Rahul can come close to Babar in ODIs given his new white ball evolution
Babar has far surpassed Rahul in Tests and it is unlikely Rahul will ever become the kind of lynchpin for India that Babar is for Pak
It will be interesting to see if Rahul can come close to Babar in ODIs given his new white ball evolution
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By that argument every pak batsmen is better than indian batsmen as they all have low SR . KLs SR is significantly higher than Rohit , Dhawan, Iyer , pandey and even Virat anyway .
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That SR shot up from 80 to 83.6 cos of his last innings and should be in 90s if he continues his form in ODIs . These days any one who has a SR less than 95 plain average , both Babar and KL need to fix that soon .
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KL is serious quality so he was bound to eventually come good.
KL has barely hit his stride and his odi average is 42 already.
3 100s in 29 ODIs.
In t20, he should aim for 50 @ 150.
Those were his numbers before he lost his way.
KL has barely hit his stride and his odi average is 42 already.
3 100s in 29 ODIs.
In t20, he should aim for 50 @ 150.
Those were his numbers before he lost his way.
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I am most worried about tests.
He needs to go back to the basics.
He needs to go back to the basics.
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He can be good in the middle order.Maybe replace Rahane in future
Certainly deserves a comeback chance
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First he needs to prove in first class cricket.
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It seems Rahul is a better captain as well lol
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Imagine the level of delusion!! According to many PP posters Babar is already one of the best in the world despite having mostly similar stats in two of the 3 formats with Rahul who is not even considered a top 5 all format bat in India.
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Has a decent FC record. Plus already has tons in WI,Aus,Eng.So ability not in doubt.Only form was an issue
In current form ,he deserves a look in.If he fails,we can always move on
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True, I too don't think he is ready for tests yet but heartwarming to see him regaining form in LOI.
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Similar?
Rahul averages in the 30s now in Tests and averages 20 in the last two years. What are you on about?
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I said we will have a better idea of where these two stand in the ODI world cup. Well, Babar won that battle.
Now let's see how they perform in the T20 World Cup. This is Rahul's best format and he is in great form, so he'll have a much better chance to outperform Babar.
Now let's see how they perform in the T20 World Cup. This is Rahul's best format and he is in great form, so he'll have a much better chance to outperform Babar.
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Kl Rahuls three one day hundreds: one each against Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka and West Indies.
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Its not about only stats if u have closely followed careers of Williamson kohli and smith they all averaged 35-40 after 20 tests
Babar has Been standout player In every series, tournaments (including vitality blast where he ended up As the highest run scorer) he played in last 1.5 year or so he has different presence or aura on the crease when he bats now a days
Everyone knows him now hell even u19 cricketers wants to emulate babar cover drive
There is no comparison between the two at the moment one is World class player and other is talented but Nowhere near babar in odis and tests
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At home-yes.
At SENA-No way Iam going to pick this guy hell even Iam not going to pick Rohit Sharma.
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which includes a 150 against ENG in ENG
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How do you see his 3 hundreds in SENA then.Those were while opening,even tougher
His problem was he was too cautious.If hes told to play his natural game,I'm sure he can prosper.Too much talent to just write off atm
Rohit has never scored a overseas ton,so both are incomparable
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Only 1,2nd was in WestIndies,3rd one was in England after he failed to succeed in that series.
There is a gambling in picking up him in test, it's due to his failures in last 1.5 years.
In white ball he was never out of form.
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L. Rahul. I think he's got tremendous style. And he is, maybe, the prettiest batsman to watch in the world at the moment. The way he plays and his technique is unbelievable. And I just love
watching him play cricket.”
These words coming from Brian Lara should be music to Rahul’s ears.
The 50-year-old revealed his choice when answering questions from budding golfers at the Delhi Golf Club on Sunday.
“Virat Kohli, of course, is a machine and he scores a lot of runs. And he's, may be, the greatest batsman in the world and maybe, one of the greatest batsman that ever lived. But when it comes to style, I just love lying in my bed and just watch K. L. Rahul bat all day!”
Lara on Rahul
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...irat-kohli-jasprit-bumrah/article30313511.ece
watching him play cricket.”
These words coming from Brian Lara should be music to Rahul’s ears.
The 50-year-old revealed his choice when answering questions from budding golfers at the Delhi Golf Club on Sunday.
“Virat Kohli, of course, is a machine and he scores a lot of runs. And he's, may be, the greatest batsman in the world and maybe, one of the greatest batsman that ever lived. But when it comes to style, I just love lying in my bed and just watch K. L. Rahul bat all day!”
Lara on Rahul
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...irat-kohli-jasprit-bumrah/article30313511.ece
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Ask bowlers.. who would they prefer to bowl? Rahul or Babar?
And ask any expert who will more impact full scores in White ball cricket ( including ODI).
And ask any expert who will more impact full scores in White ball cricket ( including ODI).
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Who wouldn't like watching Rahul bat when he is in full flow
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As predicted earlier, Rahul is indeed turning into a very dynamic impact batsman. He really oozes class. He will only enrich the game if he comes good in test matches as well. Pure artistry. However, he is and will remain a couple of levels below Babar who is destined to become one of the greatest the game has seen and certainly Pakistan's greatest. The comparison is almost akin to Inzamam with Laxman.
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Roles are different. In one dayers he is like 4th most important batsman in Indian line up. With Dhoni he was like 5th most important batsman. You have no option to construct the innings the way you want. Just look at Smith. Plus batting all over the line up doesn't help. He definitely has the "Root" issue of converting the starts at all levels. If he can iron that out he can take his game to the next level.
If 2 things that were missing from rahul's career so far are to be recalled - consistency & valuing his position.
In the recently concluded series, he got both of those covered.
To top it off, he had an extra/unforeseen bonus of captaining the team.
He must have observed the body language of the team members of his team while communicating to him as captain and as a team-mate - however small it is, hierarchy makes a difference to individuals.
Hope that will have established newer motivational goals in his mind to perform well.
His brain-fades still exist but the ceiling has gone to 40-50 level from the earlier 10-15 level.
In the recently concluded series, he got both of those covered.
To top it off, he had an extra/unforeseen bonus of captaining the team.
He must have observed the body language of the team members of his team while communicating to him as captain and as a team-mate - however small it is, hierarchy makes a difference to individuals.
Hope that will have established newer motivational goals in his mind to perform well.
His brain-fades still exist but the ceiling has gone to 40-50 level from the earlier 10-15 level.
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