Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

[jnaveen1980]

I remember Babar used to get bashed on for scoring tons of runs against teams like SL and WI, even though he was good against top teams as well. But I guess those rules do not apply to Rahul or other Indian batsmen.

Rahul had no problem scoring runs against Zimbabwe, SL, and WI, but suddenly when he faced SENA teams, he started to feel the pressure of competing with Kohli, Rohit, and Dawan.

It's easy to declare a batsman superior because of his supposed incredible talent, but it's best to wait until the batsman achieves at least half of what you claim he is capable of achieving before you declare him as the clear winner.

There is nothing wrong with saying that Rahul has the talent to surpass Babar in all formats, but to claim that he is already better like many are claiming is a bit of nonsense.

KL Rahul definitely fell through the roof at Test level. He just looked messed up in tests. Deserved to be axed.

On 10/10/2017 - Rahul ICC Test ranking 8 Same day Babar's ranking was 87.
Now 2/3/2020 - Rahul ICC ranking 51 Babar ICC ranking 6

Now things have swapped. So you cannot conclusively say one is so much inferior to other. Just that one is going through a horrible patch and may not get a chance to fix it immediately. In another set up he probably would still be playing Tests.

 

[Darkrai]

So many contexts are missing.

in the last 5 years

Rishab Pant 7 tests average 42.66 vs SENA that too everything at SENA's home. Babar averages 37 in SENA in SENA. You can pick the best phase of one's career and compare it with worst phase of someone else's career and make him look worse.

I'm comparing all phases of Babar and Rahul, so i'm not sure what you mean here. You make it sound like i left out Rahul's "best" phase and compared his worst phase with Babar's best phase, which is not true.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I'm comparing all phases of Babar and Rahul, so i'm not sure what you mean here. You make it sound like i left out Rahul's "best" phase and compared his worst phase with Babar's best phase, which is not true.

His worst phase started somewhere in the middle of 2018. Before that he averaged 58 against SENA countries in 8 tests.

 

[BreadPakoda]

KL Rahul definitely fell through the roof at Test level. He just looked messed up in tests. Deserved to be axed.

On 10/10/2017 - Rahul ICC Test ranking 8 Same day Babar's ranking was 87.
Now 2/3/2020 - Rahul ICC ranking 51 Babar ICC ranking 6

Now things have swapped. So you cannot conclusively say one is so much inferior to other. Just that one is going through a horrible patch and may not get a chance to fix it immediately. In another set up he probably would still be playing Tests.

Agree. KL Rahul doesn't deserve a spot. Heck, poor Karun Nair didn't get one.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Agree. KL Rahul doesn't deserve a spot. Heck, poor Karun Nair didn't get one.

Yea failure in one series signalled his end. Vihari is also barely clutching to his spot.

 

[Darkrai]

His worst phase started somewhere in the middle of 2018. Before that he averaged 58 against SENA countries in 8 tests.

Great. So you want me to ignore his worst phase?

Again, I don't doubt his ability. I won't be surprised if he does surpass Babar and achieves great things. However, that hasn't happened yet, so people can stop trying to degrade Babar Azam.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Great. So you want me to ignore his worst phase?

Again, I don't doubt his ability. I won't be surprised if he does surpass Babar and achieves great things. However, that hasn't happened yet, so people can stop trying to degrade Babar Azam.

Here is the thing. When he hit low he hit really really low. That is why those stats look skewed. Besides why do you think SENA is the gold standard while India being the no.1 Test team for the last few years.
We all saw how NZ got whopped by Australia, SA got whopped by Srilanka, India later England. Perera produced a match winning 100 with a no.11 batsman. Worst place for a SENA country men to bowl is on UAE pitch. Genuine fast bowlers absolutely get nothing there.

Babar is technically a conservative batsman who is likely to do well consistently. About KL Rahul his career turned around after he started playing domestic again. He has put out some numbers. Still i don't know whether he has ironed out one specific weakness which is incoming ball. Looking at the one dayers he looks like he has fixed it. Still i have to see it to believe in Tests.

If he bats at say no.5 or no.6 he will definitely boost his average. But not sure if he has any spots left.

 

[jnaveen1980]

By Indian stanard KL Rahul is very very poor. You cannot play 36 tests and come up with returns like this.
If they give him a chance he better makes century after century. Otherwise not worth investing in him. Move on to others.

 

[Hitman]

No Indian player has frustrated me more in the last couple of years than K.L. Rahul. But nice to see him finally coming good lately.

 

[JaDed]

No Indian player has frustrated me more in the last couple of years than K.L. Rahul. But nice to see him finally coming good lately.

Rohit was even more frustrating honestly.. still remember before 2013 he was so bad that i hated him till 2017.

 

[Ab Fan]

Brilliant player. He is a dynamic batsmen and can hit runs at a quick rate in middle order.

 

[Hitman]

Rohit was even more frustrating honestly.. still remember before 2013 he was so bad that i hated him till 2017.

Well, yes. I was speaking of the last couple of years. I was a massive, massive critic of Rohit until he started opening in ODI's.

 

[andy0204]

Today it will be finished 1 page of thread,
[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION](bro don't take it as personal Iam just joking) triggering Babar fans.

 

[Hyperion66]

So over the course of last couple months, KL has opened for the team, batted at 3, 4, 5 and kept wickets still shined at every role and all these while battling a career threatening badpatch and fighting to keep his place in the team. Champion batsman.

 

[ind_win]

Maybe it is time a new thread is opened.

Is Kl Rahul the first prolific 'floater' batsman that the Indian team is waiting for so long & want such a versatile batsman forever ?

 

[Hyperion66]

Today it will be finished 1 page of thread,
[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION](bro don't take it as personal Iam just joking) triggering Babar fans.

Nah man i will go easy on them today, down with fever since morning, had effing corn soup for breakfast, I don't quite have the josh today.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

So over the course of last couple months, KL has opened for the team, batted at 3, 4, 5 and kept wickets still shined at every role and all these while battling a career threatening badpatch and fighting to keep his place in the team. Champion batsman.

KL Rahul is the 3rd most valuable player of this team after Kohli and Bumrah.

 

[Hyperion66]

KL Rahul is the 3rd most valuable player of this team after Kohli and Bumrah.

4th bro, after Kohli, Rohit and Bumrah.

 

[andy0204]

Nah man i will go easy on them today, down with fever since morning, had effing corn soup for breakfast, I don't quite have the josh today.

Take care

 

[RainStopsPlay]

4th bro, after Kohli, Rohit and Bumrah.

Shaw and Mayank can replace Rohit instantly and score some decent runs if not as great as Rohit.

KL's ability to score at any position, situation, his skill to shift gears anytime, his wicket-keeping skills, and top of all that, his captaincy skills from behind the stumps. I don't think there's any other player in the current setup to fill these roles in one package. Pant and Samson are just bla!

 

[Test lover]

Rahul is in great great touch

 

[liam26]

Babar is a very one dimensional player, he cant shift gears like Rahul does with such ease. Rahul is the more versatile and dynamic player.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Babar Azam cannot bat on the aggressive level of KL Rahul. But Babar is not a one dimensional or low S/R player. He has improved vastly and can now bat excessive of 150+ strike rate too.

Babar's innings against Australia in Australia in T20I series was a proof of that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

That switch hit six was ridiculous He bowled at 135 kph.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

A moment of silence for those who mocked Rahul and thought he was no match for Babar.

Just watch this innings....

It's absolutely JAW DROPPING and KL didn't even go beserk.

Can't believe many Indians wanted him dropped from ODIs altogether.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Like being told before peak Rahul is better than Kohli.

Bobby is like.a couple of levels below him.

 

[Indiafan]

4th bro, after Kohli, Rohit and Bumrah.

In T20 I think Rahul>Rohit. In ODIs of course Rohit is in a different league

 

[Test lover]

Rahul Name to Suna hi hoga

 

[zain7077]

Like being told before peak Rahul is better than Kohli.

Bobby is like.a couple of levels below him.

If he really is that good he would have at least one odi hundred against a SENA nation, doesn’t even Have one in asian conditions.

 

[Belawal2014]

They just make 'em different in India.

 

[Hyperion66]

A moment of silence for the fair weather dingbats (Talking about Indian fans only) who dismissed Rahul when he was down now coming to celebrate now that he is up and sprinting again.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He seemed to have gained his mojo back. It will be interesting to see if he can reap that in tests.

When he came on the test scene in 14/15, scored a century in Aus, and had an amazing run scoring 50s when our other batsmen were failing, he still didn't seem very sure of himself.

It wasn't helped by Shastri saying that 50s is not enough and he needs to score 100s. There was always pressure on Rahul for a place in the XI. He didn't seem to be one of Kohli's and Shastri's favourite, and thus suffered. Even when he gained the extra gear in T20s in WI (was it in 2016?) he still didnt seem to have the backing of the management.

It finally seems like he has the management's backing. Hell, they even made him the 3rd captain in T20s, when they had Bumrah. This should also fall over in ODIs and hopefully he will show similar consistency and class there.

In tests, we already have Mayank and Shaw, so not sure if he will be given a chance. (I do want Rohit to remain injured for another couple of weeks, so he doesn't open) Can't believe we are still having this discussion after Rohit's previous performances.

Anyway, the point being I see him doing very well in LOIs.

Him doing well in tests depends on
1. Getting the opportunity (this might happen, as I reckon they will go for KL if Rohit is injured/fails)
2. Getting his pre-2017 test solidity back (just hope he doesnt get over confident)

Tests he needs to go and work on it.

In a way, I am happy he wasn't picked for NZ test series.

Will make him work on his game and come back stronger.

Shaw and Mayank deserve it more.

I can't believe that FLUKE test player Rohit got injured and will miss out on the series.

And then we will be carrying him to Aus end of this year.

I mean what's wrong with our management.

Yuvraj, Raina, Rohit....they are trying to make test players out of LOI specialists.

Tired of this **.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You have been his long time supporter, somehow I have absolutely disliked the way he has played since the Windies test tour.

Also I don’t think he is captaincy material but clearly management is grooming him and they defn know more than an average fan like me.
I would be more inclined on Shaw, Gill, Mayank but all raw yet.

Nah we fans shouldn't put down ourselves like that.

Team management have access to more data but can't say their interpretation is always right. It may or may not be.

If the last 4-5 years is anything to go by, our team management (more often than not) have been a bunch of idiots.

Fans like us could see fiascos coming a MILE away and they were blissfully ignorant which cost us heavily in the end.

 

[DRsohail]

Rahul is putting quality performances. He has the potential to do better.

 

[Mamoon]

The superior talent always shines once he gets his confidence through. The era of Rahul has arrived and it is only heartbreak for Pakistani fans from here on.

Rahul is talent wise in the league of Kohli and Rohit. Babar isn’t,

 

[jnaveen1980]

If he really is that good he would have at least one odi hundred against a SENA nation, doesn’t even Have one in asian conditions.

He has two T20 centuries man which is much harder to score.

 

[spiderreddy]

KL Rahul's last 2 ODI innings at No. 5:

80 (52), 6x4, 3x6 v Aus, Rajkot
88* (64), 3x4, 6x6 v NZ, Hamilton


A couple of innings like this and he will surpass Babar statistically as well

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

KL in ODIs

46.79 @ 86

Had he been out today, it would be 44.92

Stats before WC 2019

34.30@80.89 (exclude Zim and it was 16.33 @ 77.77 playing 11 games)

Stats since WC 2019

55.71@88.83

Stats post WC 2019

69.83@101.69

I thought in WC he was decent but not great. Post WC, he was genuinely good.

 

[Bhaijaan]

A moment of silence for the fair weather dingbats (Talking about Indian fans only) who dismissed Rahul when he was down now coming to celebrate now that he is up and sprinting again.

Yes only me and Sensible Indian Fan stood by Rahul.

We saw 5 years ago what people are seeing today

 

[Ronaldo7]

You know you're trying too hard when you keep bumping up the thread after every match.

A lot of ignorant posters on this forum are trying to compare a no.5 batsman with a no.3 batsman.

Compare Kohli's innings with babar. Can Babar score 51 off 63? He can.

Batting at no.5 requires a different role to batting at no.3. Is it really that hard to understand?

People are getting way too desperate. Take a deep breath and come back when Rahul scores something decent at no.3 or no.4.

 

[ak619]

You know you're trying too hard when you keep bumping up the thread after every match.

A lot of ignorant posters on this forum are trying to compare a no.5 batsman with a no.3 batsman.

Compare Kohli's innings with babar. Can Babar score 51 off 63? He can.

Batting at no.5 requires a different role to batting at no.3. Is it really that hard to understand?

People are getting way too desperate. Take a deep breath and come back when Rahul scores something decent at no.3 or no.4.

Ridiculous POTW!

 

[Mamoon]

You know you're trying too hard when you keep bumping up the thread after every match.

A lot of ignorant posters on this forum are trying to compare a no.5 batsman with a no.3 batsman.

Compare Kohli's innings with babar. Can Babar score 51 off 63? He can.

Batting at no.5 requires a different role to batting at no.3. Is it really that hard to understand?

People are getting way too desperate. Take a deep breath and come back when Rahul scores something decent at no.3 or no.4.

That’s the point. Rahul can do what Babar can but also a lot more.

He can bat in the top 3 and get a run a ball hundred, but he can also come in the last 20 overs and blast a 50 ball hundred.

He is simply a more complete batsman. Babar is a very fine batsman but he doesn’t have the explosive power and six hitting prowess of Rahul.

Babar’s ODI record is far better for now. No one is disputing that. However, the only people who are getting too desperate are the ones who don’t want to admit that Rahul is more versatile.

 

[Ronaldo7]

That’s the point. Rahul can do what Babar can but also a lot more.

He can bat in the top 3 and get a run a ball hundred, but he can also come in the last 20 overs and blast a 50 ball hundred.

He is simply a more complete batsman. Babar is a very fine batsman but he doesn’t have the explosive power and six hitting prowess of Rahul.

Babar’s ODI record is far better for now. No one is disputing that. However, the only people who are getting too desperate are the ones who don’t want to admit that Rahul is more versatile.

As i’ve said before, we’ll come back here in 3 years and see who’s ahead.
From what i’ve seen of Babar in 2019, he’s starting to pick up the pace and i think he’ll hit his peak in 2020. We’ll just have to wait until the T20 World Cup to see how much he’s improved

 

[Ab Fan]

Moment of silence for those who undermined talent of KL Rahul.

Same will happen with people who are against Rishabh Pant.

 

[Indiafan]

You know you're trying too hard when you keep bumping up the thread after every match.

A lot of ignorant posters on this forum are trying to compare a no.5 batsman with a no.3 batsman.

Compare Kohli's innings with babar. Can Babar score 51 off 63? He can.

Batting at no.5 requires a different role to batting at no.3. Is it really that hard to understand?

People are getting way too desperate. Take a deep breath and come back when Rahul scores something decent at no.3 or no.4.

So Rahul can score big at no 1 and no 2 and also no 5 and no 6 but somehow cannot score at no 3 and 4? Hilarious

 

[Mobashir]

That’s the point. Rahul can do what Babar can but also a lot more.

He can bat in the top 3 and get a run a ball hundred, but he can also come in the last 20 overs and blast a 50 ball hundred.

He is simply a more complete batsman. Babar is a very fine batsman but he doesn’t have the explosive power and six hitting prowess of Rahul.

Babar’s ODI record is far better for now. No one is disputing that. However, the only people who are getting too desperate are the ones who don’t want to admit that Rahul is more versatile.

That's not the measure to judge players even if it counts.

ABDV can do whatever Kohli can but also a lot more.

Just as you admitted you were wrong saying Babar was better than Rahul, you are often wrong but just don't release it.

KL Rahul is a very good talent, but so far he is not in the league of Babar. He might reach and surpass him but so fat it's not the case.

 

[Frontrunner]

Rahul has been very consistent of late.. Babur of all his exploits can't match Rahul in six hitting powress.. rahul is turning into an another rohit.. a six hitting behemoth.. the ease with he hits sixes.. babar can only dream to replicate that.. only thing missing was consistency...

Meanwhile rahul is matching Babar's consistency now... However.. babar can't match rahul's power game.. he just doesn't have it in him.. babar is a grafter not a six hitter in league of rahul, hitman.. lol babur can't even match kohli's power game.. leave alone matching rohit's & rahul's power game..

 

[Ab Fan]

That's not the measure to judge players even if it counts.

ABDV can do whatever Kohli can but also a lot more.

Just as you admitted you were wrong saying Babar was better than Rahul, you are often wrong but just don't release it.

KL Rahul is a very good talent, but so far he is not in the league of Babar. He might reach and surpass him but so fat it's not the case.

The difference between Kohli and AB was Kohli at 3 would finish more games than AB would at 4 or 5. Hence why Kohli is better.

There is no measure which proves the same for Babar and KL Rahul.

Babar is a very good player , along the likes of Root and Williamson but KL Rahul is a very very special player, earlier a special talent and not that talent has started paying off.

 

[Mobashir]

The difference between Kohli and AB was Kohli at 3 would finish more games than AB would at 4 or 5. Hence why Kohli is better.

There is no measure which proves the same for Babar and KL Rahul.

Babar is a very good player , along the likes of Root and Williamson but KL Rahul is a very very special player, earlier a special talent and not that talent has started paying off.

Don't going into this debate, there are a lot threads for this already.
Just saying to Mamoon and other saying the same thing that "can do the same and more" is not enough to be better.

 

[KingKhan12]

Funny to see how hyped up some people getting here. No doubt Rahul has been doing very well of late but hyping this innings on a flat track with small boundaries where Taylor and Latham are batting with a higher strike rate then Rahul so does that mean them both are more dynamic especially Latham. You guys make no sense in your logic.
Afridi made runs down the order with much higher strike rate then Rahul many times. Like Against South Africa he hit 88 of 48 balls with 183 strike rate and 7 sixes. Does that mean Afridi is better.

No doubt Rahul has done very well and finally showcasing his talent but in ODIs he has some way to go. Judging him to be better because of a innings when he came at number 5 towards end of innings on small boundaries and flat pitch where a batsmen like Latham who strike in T20s is 103 and doesn't get selected for T20s as he is a slow batsmen and he has batted at a better strike rate then Rahul today.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Funny to see how hyped up some people getting here. No doubt Rahul has been doing very well of late but hyping this innings on a flat track with small boundaries where Taylor and Latham are batting with a higher strike rate then Rahul so does that mean them both are more dynamic especially Latham. You guys make no sense in your logic.
Afridi made runs down the order with much higher strike rate then Rahul many times. Like Against South Africa he hit 88 of 48 balls with 183 strike rate and 7 sixes. Does that mean Afridi is better.

No doubt Rahul has done very well and finally showcasing his talent but in ODIs he has some way to go. Judging him to be better because of a innings when he came at number 5 towards end of innings on small boundaries and flat pitch where a batsmen like Latham who strike in T20s is 103 and doesn't get selected for T20s as he is a slow batsmen and he has batted at a better strike rate then Rahul today.

Haha. I knew a post like this would come.

Yes let's ignore the absolute filth bowling by Shardul and Kuldeep.

Rahul played the same way against Starc and co and racked up 340.

Why didn't Aussie batsmen replicate him then?

Our bowling backed it up then unlike here.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Layham was scratching around with a horrible SR until Kuldeep came and changed the game.

 

[KingKhan12]

Haha. I knew a post like this would come.

Yes let's ignore the absolute filth bowling by Shardul and Kuldeep.

Rahul played the same way against Starc and co and racked up 340.

Why didn't Aussie batsmen replicate him then?

Our bowling backed it up then unlike here.

So same thing can be said about New Zealand bowlers bowling filth. Rahul innings = top batting by Rahul but Latham/Taylor innings = Indiam bowlers bowling filth.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So same thing can be said about New Zealand bowlers bowling filth. Rahul innings = top batting by Rahul but Latham/Taylor innings = Indiam bowlers bowling filth.

Nah Shardul is awful and I was like chuckling that NZ gave wickets to the guy in the t20 series.

Almost no Indian rates that guy.

Kuldeep has been poor for a long time now.

These 2 have been awful unlike others who can have a bad day.

Rahul replicated the same against Starc, Cummins and co.

Not like a fluke knock.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So same thing can be said about New Zealand bowlers bowling filth. Rahul innings = top batting by Rahul but Latham/Taylor innings = Indiam bowlers bowling filth.

Also I didnt say their innings wasn't great.

I said you can't devalue Rahul's innings just cos they scored.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Don't understand the need for some people to put down one player to praise another.
KL Rahul still has a long way to go. I hope he's still in the ODI team a year from now but there's no saying knowing how impatient Kohli is. He needs to have a good year.

 

[KingKhan12]

Rahul has been very consistent of late.. Babur of all his exploits can't match Rahul in six hitting powress.. rahul is turning into an another rohit.. a six hitting behemoth.. the ease with he hits sixes.. babar can only dream to replicate that.. only thing missing was consistency...

Meanwhile rahul is matching Babar's consistency now... However.. babar can't match rahul's power game.. he just doesn't have it in him.. babar is a grafter not a six hitter in league of rahul, hitman.. lol babur can't even match kohli's power game.. leave alone matching rohit's & rahul's power game..

Agree Rahul has been consistent of late. If Rahul keeps this consistency especially in ODIs and starts doing it in Tests too their is no doubt he will go past Babar with ease unless.
Going by your logic Rahul is better because of his six hitting ability I won't judge a batsmen with six hitting ability because then their are likes of Maxwell, Pandya, and others that are better then Smith, Williamson with that logic.
Babar with what ever ways he bats has been consistent and has been batting at a good strike rate when needed. T20 blast in England was leading run scored and for Pakistan he has played at higher strike rates but then in middle overs he adapts and bats through as that's his role as he the main man. No doubt Rahul has a better six hitting ability but in testing conditions I would put my money on Babar making runs then Rahul.

And their is no doubt Rahul can't go past Babar and I won't be surprised if he does in a year or 2 as he has it to but needs this consistency going for longer time in ODIs and in Tests too.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Nah we fans shouldn't put down ourselves like that.

Team management have access to more data but can't say their interpretation is always right. It may or may not be.

If the last 4-5 years is anything to go by, our team management (more often than not) have been a bunch of idiots.

Fans like us could see fiascos coming a MILE away and they were blissfully ignorant which cost us heavily in the end.

Point proven just a few hours later lol.

Indian management has no idea how to plan it out.

Thakur is an obvious case.

I called out our spin duo last year itself.

Management making the same mistake with Kuldeep-Chahal like they did with Ashwin-Jadeja.

Just that latter was more clutch and won us some important tourneys.

Either they will chop and change or just keep the status quo regardless of what happens.

The lack of backups is appalling. The signs were there to see a longgg time ago.

 

[KingKhan12]

Also I didnt say their innings wasn't great.

I said you can't devalue Rahul's innings just cos they scored.

You said Indian 2 bowlers bowled filth that's why Latham scored. So you are devaluing his innings. Their innings was better then Rahul and Latham at better strike rate.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

You said Indian 2 bowlers bowled filth that's why Latham scored. So you are devaluing his innings. Their innings was better then Rahul and Latham at better strike rate.

Ok cool.

Life must be so simple with binary thinking.

And yes, their knocks were frigging great.

 

[KingKhan12]

Nah Shardul is awful and I was like chuckling that NZ gave wickets to the guy in the t20 series.

Almost no Indian rates that guy.

Kuldeep has been poor for a long time now.

These 2 have been awful unlike others who can have a bad day.

Rahul replicated the same against Starc, Cummins and co.

Not like a fluke knock.

So Southee is awful too and Bennett is even more awful so that's why Rahul scored. Rahul innings amazing dynamic as he hit Sodhi, Bennett, Neesham and when opposition players do better oh we got 2 bowlers who are poor that's why.

 

[KingKhan12]

Layham was scratching around with a horrible SR until Kuldeep came and changed the game.

Rahul was also scratching around with a horrible SR. Then Sodhi came and changed Rahuls innings.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So Southee is awful too and Bennett is even more awful so that's why Rahul scored. Rahul innings amazing dynamic as he hit Sodhi, Bennett, Neesham and when opposition players do better oh we got 2 bowlers who are poor that's why.

So Starc is awful. Whole Australian bowling is awful cos Rahul did the same to them.

Defend all you want son. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge Rahul's performances.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Rahul was also scratching around with a horrible SR. Then Sodhi came and changed Rahuls innings.

Sodhi didn't bowl filth to all.

Got Kohli out.

Kuldeep on the other hand....lol.

Keep getting tangled mate.

 

[KingKhan12]

Ok cool.

Life must be so simple with binary thinking.

And yes, their knocks were frigging great.

Well you and few others going gaga and doing bhangra over a innings On a flat track with small boundaries against New Zealand B/C bowlers. On same pitch and ground Latham a test specialist who hardly can play at 90 SR in a innings played at a better SR then Rahul so what does that show. A Rahul innings that didn't even win you the game and to be honest look at Jadhav in his short stay towards the end he pushed the score up to 347 with a SR of 173. A more dynamic player then Rahul would have got the total to 370+ on that pitch and ground against New Zealand reserve bowlers. India underscored.

Also you keep saying six hitting ability so Rahul is better. Rahul hit 6 sixes but his overall strike rate was 137 and Latham hit only 2 sixes and his strike was better so that kills your stupid logic.

 

[Mamoon]

That's not the measure to judge players even if it counts.

ABDV can do whatever Kohli can but also a lot more.

Just as you admitted you were wrong saying Babar was better than Rahul, you are often wrong but just don't release it.

KL Rahul is a very good talent, but so far he is not in the league of Babar. He might reach and surpass him but so fat it's not the case.

No, he can’t. He doesn’t have 50% of the mental strength and concentration that Kohli has across formats.

De Villiers couldn’t anchor the innings and chase 300+ totals like Kohli does week in week out, and neither could he score Test hundreds and double-hundreds at the same rate as Kohli.

De Villiers was better than Kohli at two aspects of batting only - hitting more sixes and playing circus shots. Kohli is better than him in all other aspects.

I am not saying I am always right. No one can be always right, but I don’t see anything in Babar’s game that will make me think that he is in a different league to Rahul.

The only difference is that Babar is fully established in a rubbish team, while Rahul has to compete with ATGs to find a permanent position in the ODI team. In T20Is and Tests, Rahul has always been ahead of Babar.

If Babar was India, he wouldn’t have had the chance to bat in the top 3 and thus he would have had the same struggles as Rahul in ODIs.

India are now trying to force Rahul into a number 5 batsman and take up the gloves because Pant needs some time to get his act together, but although Rahul is adapting to this role, it is a waste of his talents.

A batsman of his complete game and talents should be batting in the top 3 and getting maximum deliveries. Like Rohit, he too has the power game to score 150s and 200s if he bats in the top-order.

Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to have a long-term future at that position. Kohli and Rohit still have many years, and Dhawan still probably has another 2 years in him.

Then you have the likes of Shaw and Gill who are elite talents and are also top-order batsmen. There is an overflow of talented batsmen in India and it is unfortunate for some of these players who would already be superstars in other teams.

If Rahul was in Pakistan, he would be our main opener in all formats now and our big star.

 

[KingKhan12]

So Starc is awful. Whole Australian bowling is awful cos Rahul did the same to them.

Defend all you want son. Sooner or later you have to acknowledge Rahul's performances.

Who is talking about Australia here. We talking about today's innings in which you so excited about and can't get over which didn't even win you a game. A more dynamic player would made India score more runs then Rahul against C grade bowlers.

I have acknowledged Rahuls performances if you read my comments previously my son. You don't call your father a son like you tried in Champions Trophy fathers day.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Well you and few others going gaga and doing bhangra over a innings On a flat track with small boundaries against New Zealand B/C bowlers. On same pitch and ground Latham a test specialist who hardly can play at 90 SR in a innings played at a better SR then Rahul so what does that show. A Rahul innings that didn't even win you the game and to be honest look at Jadhav in his short stay towards the end he pushed the score up to 347 with a SR of 173. A more dynamic player then Rahul would have got the total to 370+ on that pitch and ground against New Zealand reserve bowlers. India underscored.

Also you keep saying six hitting ability so Rahul is better. Rahul hit 6 sixes but his overall strike rate was 137 and Latham hit only 2 sixes and his strike was better so that kills your stupid logic.

Lol you used Jadhav example shows you didn't even watch the match.

Carry on.

 

[KingKhan12]

Sodhi didn't bowl filth to all.

Got Kohli out.

Kuldeep on the other hand....lol.

Keep getting tangled mate.

Ok so Sodhi got Kohli out so didn't bowl filth. Reason why he only bowled 4 overs.

Kuldeep got 2 wickets and we know Kuldeep is 10 times the better bowler then Sodhi and probably all New Zealand bowlers.

Keep getting tangled son

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Who is talking about Australia here. We talking about today's innings in which you so excited about and can't get over which didn't even win you a game. A more dynamic player would made India score more runs then Rahul against C grade bowlers.

I have acknowledged Rahuls performances if you read my comments previously my son. You don't call your father a son like you tried in Champions Trophy fathers day.

Oh dear lord.

How could I have been more clearer!

Also Pakistan is India's father due to CT 2017?

Good golly.

 

[KingKhan12]

Lol you used Jadhav example shows you didn't even watch the match.

Carry on.

What you on about. So Jadhav didn't bat at 173 strike rate.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Ok so Sodhi got Kohli out so didn't bowl filth. Reason why he only bowled 4 overs.

Kuldeep got 2 wickets and we know Kuldeep is 10 times the better bowler then Sodhi and probably all New Zealand bowlers.

Keep getting tangled son

Sodhi bowled 4 overs for 27 runs.

Our of which 12 came due to Rahul.

Romove that and you got 15 runs in 3.4 overs.

Also Kuldeep the brand is wayyy bigger than Sodhi but his performance in last one year has been awful.

Your analytical skills are weak son.

 

[KingKhan12]

Oh dear lord.

How could I have been more clearer!

Also Pakistan is India's father due to CT 2017?

Good golly.

Well you shouldn't try acting clever when you can't debate you resort to calling son.

Plenty of reasons because why. But that's not part of this Thread.

Have a nice day son and celebrate a ATG innings by KL Rahul which has seen him take over Babar but not Latham lol

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Well you shouldn't try acting clever when you can't debate you resort to calling son.

Plenty of reasons because why. But that's not part of this Thread.

Have a nice day son and celebrate a ATG innings by KL Rahul which has seen him take over Babar but not Latham lol

You are right.

Cant match you intellectually.

 

[Mobashir]

Put it into context and it was just a good innings, especially against this bowling attack.

 

[KingKhan12]

Sodhi bowled 4 overs for 27 runs.

Our of which 12 came due to Rahul.

Romove that and you got 15 runs in 3.4 overs.

Also Kuldeep the brand is wayyy bigger than Sodhi but his performance in last one year has been awful.

Your analytical skills are weak son.

And Sodhis performance is similar throughout his whole career in ODIs to Kuldeeps last one year lol.
If Sodhi was bowling so brilliant he would bowled more overs and be backed even after Rahul hit him 2 sixes but captain knew be would get hammered.

Yes your analytics skills are excellent son. Because Rahul can hit sixes and bat high strike rate he's the best but still couldn't bat better Lathams strike rate today who is a test specialist.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And Sodhis performance is similar throughout his whole career in ODIs to Kuldeeps last one year lol.
If Sodhi was bowling so brilliant he would bowled more overs and be backed even after Rahul hit him 2 sixes but captain knew be would get hammered.

Yes your analytics skills are excellent son. Because Rahul can hit sixes and bat high strike rate he's the best but still couldn't bat better Lathams strike rate today who is a test specialist.

So true.

Kumble is a better bowler than Warne cos he did great in the India-Aus series at home where Warne was carted around lol.

Using isolated case to make a point shows you are weak in analytics as well as statistics.

Cmon yaar... This is getting boring for me.

Aap tho hamaare baap ho. Shouldn't let your son win so many times.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

And Sodhis performance is similar throughout his whole career in ODIs to Kuldeeps last one year lol.
If Sodhi was bowling so brilliant he would bowled more overs and be backed even after Rahul hit him 2 sixes but captain knew be would get hammered.

And that's the whole point.

India didn't bowl a 6th bowler (call it idiotic captaincy or selection) and played Kuldeep and gave NZ the laddoo chance.

Kya re bhai?

Phir aap attakh gaye?

 

[KingKhan12]

And that's the whole point.

India didn't bowl a 6th bowler (call it idiotic captaincy or selection) and played Kuldeep and gave NZ the laddoo chance.

Kya re bhai?

Phir aap attakh gaye?

Yes Kuldeep is useless and him bowling is giving ladoos to Latham. Good logic.
Sodhi, Southee and Bennett bowling is not ladoos but Rahul's world class batting but opposition doing better is them getting laddoo bowling don't make sense son.

 

[KingKhan12]

So true.

Kumble is a better bowler than Warne cos he did great in the India-Aus series at home where Warne was carted around lol.

Using isolated case to make a point shows you are weak in analytics as well as statistics.

Cmon yaar... This is getting boring for me.

Aap tho hamaare baap ho. Shouldn't let your son win so many times.

What isolated case beta.
All I said you can't really judge and rate Rahul innings and say he's better and Babar can't play such SR and Rahul better because he can hit more sixes. So theirs so many who can hit more sixes like Pollard, Maxwell so are they better then Rahul.
Today innings on flat pitch, small boundaries vs New Zealand reserve bowlers. A ground and pitch where Latham batted at a higher strike rate who struggles to even bat 90SR in ODIs and only 100SR in T20s. What does that show about the pitch and ground. Oh he also hit less sixes then Rahul so what does that show.