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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Babar is better. KLR has all the strokes but I believe he is mentally not strong for the international level. Rahul was this absolutely marvellous Test material player who got sucked into 20:20/ IPL madness and has emerged from it neither fish nor fowl.
 
India would happily take Babar to open the innings over Rahul

And then he has to live with that expectation (perform at the level of Rohit/Dhawan which is not going to be easy! India's top ICC ranking is because of the top order performing like how they are doing and Pakistan's lower ranking is because of Babar leading his inferior batsmen & has no pressure of bettering all of them!) If Fakhar Zaman (who is so inconsistent and accused by Pakistanis for that but respected well by most Indians for what he did in CT finals!) is compared with Rohit/Dhawan (all of these are openers), then he will become an even more dud compared to them as what Rahul is in comparison to Babar at the moment! That's why I say these comparisons make no sense!
 
Babar is better. KLR has all the strokes but I believe he is mentally not strong for the international level. Rahul was this absolutely marvellous Test material player who got sucked into 20:20/ IPL madness and has emerged from it neither fish nor fowl.

This is the point which everyone can agree!
 
There should not be any comparison. Lokesh hasn't yet achieved 10% of what Babar has done for his country. India would have loved to have a player like Babar in their middle order. Babar is a humble man too. My favourite pak cricketer at this moment
 
Can we think of Rahul also the same? Reverse way - He may prosper in the middle order - exactly opposite to Rohit! He has modified his physique, swag, etc, away from traditional opener - Test match style opener! Back then he had normal body like Rahul Dravid and also similar temperament/technique! Now he has added all this additional attributes, power game etc! So he should completely make up his mind that he is no more an opener and should concentrate on middle order batting (even in tests! I think India will prefer Mayank & Shaw for tests from hereon! So Rahul has to make up his mind, he can compete with Rahane, Hanuma in test also which is much easier!) He can utilize his power game, the only thing he should learn is picking the gaps & rotating strike (ones, twos...) which Kohli does (So ape Kohli completely - not just his tattoos & style!) + he has to forget opening + improve his temperament, then he will have a chance to stay in the team!

Lol at swag. Is this why some of you overhype guys like Pandya, Pant or KL Rahul because they have this fake swag? May be this lack of fake swag is the reason behind fans not wanting to see guys like Rayudu or Shankar in the team? :inti
 
I believe he has indicated that he wants to play in the top order and most preferably opener. That was why he was selected as backup opener and Rayudu batted at 4.

Dhoni made Rohit to believe that he can open in ODIs... (Still Rohit prefers middle order sometimes as he does while captaining his IPL team!) Similarly Kohli/Shastri should have convinced Rahul to opt for No.4 and that he can succeed in that role with his modified approach & more importantly the difficulty of matching gigantic standards of Rohit/Dhawan (who lie in Top 5 of all time greatest openers in ODI in my opinion! The pressure of matching that level can lead to the downfall of any player!) Shastri should have coached him properly of how to rotate strike at No.4 in the middle overs & keep the scoreboard moving (give the strike to bigger players - Kohli/Rohit/Dhawan! I don't know if Rahul has any attitude issue thinking that he is bigger than everyone! Even if he is so, he should stay grounded for the moment and do the supporting role - even Kohli, Rohit, etc, have done the same in their beginning!) and then strike big at the end of his innings if he has developed that power game! His time may come later in his career like Rohit and he can become that important player in the team! At the moment this small fixation is needed in his game (rotating strike/picking gaps at No.4 in the middle order which is what even somebody like Raina did & only after that going for the onslaught!) I don't know if Shastri is doing this OR he is teaching him his Tuk-Tuk non-sense he used to do in his playing days!

If someone has to be backup opener to Dhawan/Rohit, then he has to be already batting in the team at No.3 or No.4 (and be successful in that position in the first place, not fight for that place - as Rahul did with Rayudu/Pant, etc), otherwise it is going to be very difficult (even for Mayank/Shaw or even Babar!)
 
Lol at swag. Is this why some of you overhype guys like Pandya, Pant or KL Rahul because they have this fake swag? May be this lack of fake swag is the reason behind fans not wanting to see guys like Rayudu or Shankar in the team? :inti

If Rahul had not developed that swag he wouldn't have been in the reckoning for LOIs (would have remained a test only player like Pujara or Rahane!) Actually I wouldn't have minded that personally (If he was our reliable Test-Only opener as he promised in the beginning of his career, I would have been happier with that, that's enough for me - compared to this intermediate confused state at the moment!) So the "swag" we are talking here is nothing but the talent or the way you exhibit that talent even if it is hidden in you! We think that Pant, Pandya, Rahul has that and may fail in exhibiting that, but we are also 100% sure that Shankar, Rayudu, etc, don't have that talent in the first place! This is how the selection of candidates happen in MNCs! But BCCI seems to be following the Govt. Job system of selecting based on regions/castes/quotas!
 
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This thread has turned into an insult to Babar. KL is talented but please this is embarrassing now. Shut the thread down.
 
Swag? Seriously? How old are you guys? People responsible for hiring do not take decisions based on swag . Swag is just an expression and feel good thing and not really a measure of attitude or mental strength. What really matters is the capability and inner steel. Without that swag is useless and people like that are called *******. Did Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman, Kumble had lot of swag? Their swag was their playing style and fight they put in during a match. Dhoni had swag but that was backed by performance and ability to handle pressure situations.

KL Rahul must now leave. He will surely make runs against Sri Lanka and Bangladesh but when it comes to handling critical situations he will fail again and again because all he has is false swag and not the attitude to support it.
 
Babar has buried KL.

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This is a test for KL.

I don't want to see this meek, overly defensive KL.

Drop him. Let him go back and learn how to play like his old self and then he can make a comeback.

It's annoying to see this version of KL honestly.
 
Babar has buried KL.

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This is a test for KL.

I don't want to see this meek, overly defensive KL.

Drop him. Let him go back and learn how to play like his old self and then he can make a comeback.

It's annoying to see this version of KL honestly.
Going by his list A stats that's the normal KL Rahul. Even there his SR is under 80.
 
This proves that Rahul is indeed the better player..
He's scoring runs in format that matters.. tests

They both average mid 30s, yes as of now Rahul is ahead.

It has to be seen after Babar and Rahul have played at least 40 tests or 70 innings
 
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Babar might be more talented and better at this stage, but India develops their batsmen much better.

In addition, Rahul will play around players like Kohli and Rahane while Babar is surrounded by not a single great ODI player and in Tests, limited batsmen like Younis, Misbah and Azhar.

If Babar develops better than Rahul and has a better career, then it means that he is much more gifted than Rahul.

So is Babar much more gifted than Rahul? "If Babar develops better than Rahul and has a better career, then it means that he is much more gifted than Rahul.":babar
 
So is Babar much more gifted than Rahul? "If Babar develops better than Rahul and has a better career, then it means that he is much more gifted than Rahul.":babar

There's no doubt about it. This thread should be closed. Babar won it easily in the end.
 
At the moment there is no comparison in ODIs at least. But you should never write off an Indian batsman, especially when the comparison is with a Pakistani batsman.
 
I want to see Babar score big in tests now. This is the way he can be in the conversation with Smith and Williamson.
 
I want to see Babar score big in tests now. This is the way he can be in the conversation with Smith and Williamson.

Smith is in a different class if you consider tests.

First he has to reach Root’s level, then Williamson.

I think he has the potential to surpass these two.

But, it’s really difficult to compete Kohli in Odis and Smith in tests.
 
Smith is in a different class if you consider tests.

First he has to reach Root’s level, then Williamson.

I think he has the potential to surpass these two.

But, it’s really difficult to compete Kohli in Odis and Smith in tests.

Yes its difficult to surpass Smith in tests but I mean as a overall batter. If he is performing in all 3 formats , he will be in the conversation.

On tests alone he wont surpass Smith and in ODIs alone he wont surpass Kohli.
 
Babar will probably hit Root level in ODIs. He will end up with a 50+ avg and a SR of 85 in that format.

In tests, he has a long way to go.He has just established himself. The fab Four are averaging 50 and Babar can take his average to 50 in a couple of years time but he will have to start scoring big for that and it is that format only which will put him into the elite league or drop him down.

For now, David Warner is the closest anyone is to fab four.
 
Babar will probably hit Root level in ODIs. He will end up with a 50+ avg and a SR of 85 in that format.

In tests, he has a long way to go.He has just established himself. The fab Four are averaging 50 and Babar can take his average to 50 in a couple of years time but he will have to start scoring big for that and it is that format only which will put him into the elite league or drop him down.

For now, David Warner is the closest anyone is to fab four.

Lol at Root level. Babar is already better than him.

Warner is better than anyone in ODIs in the fab four except Kohli.
 
Steve Smith is an incredibly overrated ODI player and is nowhere near the level of Kohli/Root/Williamson

Averages 41 @ a SR of 86, less hundreds than Babar too despite playing way more games.

Personally I believe the only batsmen above Babar are Kohli, Root, Williamson, Warner, and Rohit
 
wow this thread is not going to age well. Babar seems to be ahead in all departments now.

In 22 tests, Babar Azam averages 34 and has scored 2 centuries. In Rahul's first 22 tests, he had scored 4 test centuries, averaged 42.

As of today, both are promising young test batsmen who average in the mid-30s. Difference is that one plays in a country where that is not good enough to be guaranteed a starting slot in his country's test match XI. While the other is an automatic pick.

Standards are relative things.
 
In 22 tests, Babar Azam averages 34 and has scored 2 centuries. In Rahul's first 22 tests, he had scored 4 test centuries, averaged 42.

As of today, both are promising young test batsmen who average in the mid-30s. Difference is that one plays in a country where that is not good enough to be guaranteed a starting slot in his country's test match XI. While the other is an automatic pick.

Standards are relative things.

You just said what he wanted to say.
Rahul went from 42 to mid 30s.
While babar went from 20 odd to 36.
Babar is now ahead of Rahul in this department and I'd expect the gap to increase even further in the next two years.
 
In 22 tests, Babar Azam averages 34 and has scored 2 centuries. In Rahul's first 22 tests, he had scored 4 test centuries, averaged 42.

As of today, both are promising young test batsmen who average in the mid-30s. Difference is that one plays in a country where that is not good enough to be guaranteed a starting slot in his country's test match XI. While the other is an automatic pick.

Standards are relative things.

One is also older by 3-4 years...

Rahul has had enough chances. Ur bias is as clear as day

Hes just not mentally there, and its evident in his game when he plays.

Babar is the better player overall
 
You just said what he wanted to say.
Rahul went from 42 to mid 30s.
While babar went from 20 odd to 36.
Babar is now ahead of Rahul in this department and I'd expect the gap to increase even further in the next two years.

I have seen many such comparisons and excuses made on this forum in my lurking days - Umar Akmal, Shehzad, etc were touted as younger, more talented players with better futures predicted.

Babar Azam is no question a cut above those 2 batsmen. But hyping up a 36 average batsman into the top 5 batsmen in the world is silly. Babar needs to pull up his average comfortably above 40, and for that he will need to put up consistent performances in test cricket. Maybe he'll do it. But he isn't there yet.

On Rahul - the guy clearly modified his batting method to become a more effective boundary hitter in the shorter format. While he achieved his objective, it impacted his test batting technique negatively. Given that India has so many options for batsmen, he will need luck to get another long run in test cricket. But that doesn't mean that he's not good enough. Just like a 3rd or 4th choice pakistan pace bowler in the 1990s was better than some of the guys who played for India then, the blunt reality is that the top 10 batsmen in India are good enough to play and succeed in international cricket, but only 5 can play.
 
In 22 tests, Babar Azam averages 34 and has scored 2 centuries. In Rahul's first 22 tests, he had scored 4 test centuries, averaged 42.

As of today, both are promising young test batsmen who average in the mid-30s. Difference is that one plays in a country where that is not good enough to be guaranteed a starting slot in his country's test match XI. While the other is an automatic pick.

Standards are relative things.
What about ODI's?
 
Buuuuuut what has Babar Azam done for the Hyderabad Biriyanis in the IPL??
 
Lol at these stupid comparison. Its so absurd Babar is class above Rahul. One is consistent selection in side, while other is automatic exclusion from a fully fit Indian side.

Its like comparing Venkatesh Prasad to Wahab Riyaz
 
Rahul hasn't had a chance to bat in the top 3 slots in ODIs. We can compare them once he does. He already has a T20I century.

And what did he do after scoring that T20 century on that tour? Nothing. He was one of the main reason we lost test series against England. Team management invested so much in him but he performed poorly. He managed to score a century in the last inning of that tour and saved his place for the next series against West Indiesat home. He did nothing against them too.

I think its your hate for Pakistan that is not letting you to accept that Babar Azam is better than KL Rahul now. And some fans used to call him the next Kohli lol. :inti
 
Rahul hasn't had a chance to bat in the top 3 slots in ODIs. We can compare them once he does. He already has a T20I century.

For once we should accept the truth. Babar is far better in LOI's than Rahul. In tests Rahul had a better start but Babar has caught up and will most likely overtake Rahul.

It's, buts, could, would doesn't matter. Comparisons need to be on performances. Babar is ahead, end of discussion for now.

If Rahul performs better in future we can revisit this thread and update it. No point giving lame excuses.
 
In 22 tests, Babar Azam averages 34 and has scored 2 centuries. In Rahul's first 22 tests, he had scored 4 test centuries, averaged 42.

As of today, both are promising young test batsmen who average in the mid-30s. Difference is that one plays in a country where that is not good enough to be guaranteed a starting slot in his country's test match XI. While the other is an automatic pick.

Standards are relative things.

Babar's average is 36 in 22 Test and in his last 11 tests it's been 50+ with his first 11 Test average being 24. This shows there has been a considerable increase in Babar's consistency while Rahul is showing the opposite and is declining. Is it not reasonable to say that Babar's average of the last 2 years and Rahul's average in the last 2 years are better reflection of the Batsman they are now than an arbitrary number of games they have played. Rahul averages 22 since January 2018 while Babar averages 50.88 since January 2018 and this includes tours to SAF, ENG and AUS.
 
Rahul is like the Umar Akmal who has not realized his potential while Babar is like the Kohli who continuously works harder and tries to become better than he currently is. Guess who will I choose then?
Sorry, but there is no competition, at least as of now.
 
Rahul has clear weaknesses in his game which a lot of people ignored here and went on to claim that he was the talent of the generation. I tried questioning them on their logic back then but they were blinded by a few flashy T20i innings. Now they are nowhere to be seen.
 
Rahul has 5 test hundreds while Babar has 2.

He's really inconsistent. Despite having 5 test hundreds to his name, he averages less (iirc) than Babar.
He averaged 22 in 2018 after playing 12 matches in that calendar year while Babar averaged over 50 for that year.
Also, he has played 14 games more. So him having 3 more centuries is irrelevant. I'm sure Babar will score at least 3 centuries in his next 14 matches if not 5.
 
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Rahul is no where near the level of Babar. There are clear technical issues and he has issues with outswing deliveries.

Babar is on pace to be the best batsman in the world in the next 3 years and Rahul is on his way out of the Indian team. Unless something changes with Rahul, nobody will remember Rahul in 3 years from now.

As of now, the only format that Rahul can out perform Babar is T20's. Rahul has better array of attacking shots than Babar.
 
Rahul is almost 3 years older, 14 games further into his test career yet averages 3 runs less. Good try :)

I very much doubt he is as old as he claims. He looks older than his stated age. But i admit Babar will have a better career than him as he has a better technique than Rahul. Rahul has gaping holes in his technique. He is flamebuoyant looks good when he comes off. IN other words highly untrustworthy player. Babar is trustworthy. This gap will continue remaining unless KL Rahul decides to spend time in first class a lot and perfect his technique. With so many youngsters waiting in the wings he may not have time to do that.
 
I very much doubt he is as old as he claims. He looks older than his stated age. But i admit Babar will have a better career than him as he has a better technique than Rahul. Rahul has gaping holes in his technique. He is flamebuoyant looks good when he comes off. IN other words highly untrustworthy player. Babar is trustworthy. This gap will continue remaining unless KL Rahul decides to spend time in first class a lot and perfect his technique. With so many youngsters waiting in the wings he may not have time to do that.

Who looks older then their stated age?
 
Who looks older then their stated age?

He's saying Babar looks order than 25, which is just a random claim.
In big cities like Lahore, age fudging is less common.
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Also, at what angle does Babar look older than 25?
Look up his u19 photo, he doesn't look a day older than 17 in that photo. He looks like a kid.

Stop throwing around accusations without any evidence to back it up with.
 
Rahul vs Fakhar is more appropriate comparison.

No Fakar is a level above Rahul.
KL Rahul is Umar Akmal packed in a blanket of mediocre gamesense, temperament of Sarfaraz , ego of shoaib akhtar, and casual attitude of Kambli. He is a recipe of disaster. Ambati Rayudu even while sleeping will perform better than him.
He dosen' look threatening even if he scores 100runs. Yawn
 
Rahul is a hack and has rightly been kicked out from Indian team. I never thought he would get any worse than he was before, but he did.

Babar is one of the best young batsman in the world now, I don't think there's a single batsman under 26 who is as good as Babar atm. Rahul doesn't belong in this comparison, or the Indian team.
 
Lol.
Rahul is nothing compared to Babar and that's not even a joke.

This thread didn't age well did it?
 
I said look like. It is not an accuse. Even i don't have certificate of Nasim or Afridi or Waqar. But you could tell right?

Well Naseem Shah's age has been disputed, so has Afridi's (heavily). I've never heard of Babar's age ever being disputed
Naseem's age was confirmed as being 16 in 2016 and Afridi's age was written as 21 on his debut (or his second match) profile. You can watch the highlights.
No such claim has been made for Babar. But that doesn't mean he's actually 25. He may be 27. Not very old even if it is 27
 
Well Naseem Shah's age has been disputed, so has Afridi's (heavily). I've never heard of Babar's age ever being disputed
Naseem's age was confirmed as being 16 in 2016 and Afridi's age was written as 21 on his debut (or his second match) profile. You can watch the highlights.
No such claim has been made for Babar. But that doesn't mean he's actually 25. He may be 27. Not very old even if it is 27

I didn't say 30. Around 26/27 at the most which is no big deal. Just saying he probably looks slightly older than his looks. He is not like Ifthikar who looks as old as Misba.
 
lmaooo this thread never fails to amuse me. I’ve destroyed every single Indian and rahul fan on this thread yet they somehow keep opening this thread up again. Even all the Indians gave up on rahul and admitted he’s no where near babar. I even predicted he will be out of the team very soon and he is now. Plus the only reason he keeps getting picked is cause he’s kohli's buddy on top of that kohli wants stylish players in his team to make them look good. He’s solely their for kohlis new india look purpose. A very stylish batsmen like Umar akmal with potential but zero performance to show.
 
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Rahul vs Fakhar is more appropriate comparison.

Fakhar is a hack, apart from that CT knock got nothing to show for. Probably the worst opener to have opened in a test match in this decade, Rahul had 6 consecutive 50s in a series where Kohli struggled to put bat on ball, got centuries in England and Australia, that is more than what Fakhar can dream of. However Rahul is clearly not mentally tough enough to compete with Babar, hell I don't think he is playing test cricket anytime soon. Point is whatever he is still miles better than Fakhar.
 
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lmaooo this thread never fails to amuse me. I’ve destroyed every single Indian and rahul fan on this thread yet they somehow keep opening this thread up again. Even all the Indians gave up on rahul and admitted he’s no where near babar. I even predicted he will be out of the team very soon and he is now. Plus the only reason he keeps getting picked is cause he’s kohli's buddy on top of that kohli wants stylish players in his team to make them look good. He’s solely their for kohlis new india look purpose. A very stylish batsmen like Umar akmal with potential but zero performance to show.
He scored more tough runs than Babar in test cricket, I know you are flying high after that Gabba knock but remember Rahul was the highest scorer in a series that offered some of the toughest pitches post 2000 and we have all seen how Babar faired against SL spinners in UAE.

Point is Rahul regressed and Babar improved, Babar is tougher mentally and has the potential to be a 45 averaging batsman in test cricket and pretty ahead of Rahul right now and probably the gap will only widen in foreseeable future. So this is a win for Babar I guess. If Rahul can make a comeback from the slump he is in now it will be one of the finest comebacks in the history of cricket which seems highly unlikely at this point.
 
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Babar seems to be clearly ahead now but if one is chasing 200 in T20s or 350 in ODIs, I would still want to have Rahul ahead of Babar.

Babar needs to up his striking ability and attune his game to the need of the hour. Can't just play at a 100 SR in ODIs every match.
 
This thread seems to provide temporary relief from all the pain and humiliation that Pakistan cricket has suffered, especially in relation to India.

As supporters of a rubbish team, Pakistani fans are too arrogant and trash-talk way too much. Their egos do not match the caliber and the performance of the team. They have one Babar and they act as if he has been sent from the heavens.

He has proved to be a better batsman than Rahul and there is no doubt that he has a higher stature and will retire with a far better record and a bigger name.

He is a world class player and can potentially become Pakistan’s greatest batsman. It is a joy to watch a Pakistani batsman bat so well.
 
KL Rahul is a good batsman and he has a good future with Indian team. However, Babar is clearly above him in terms of class, and batting technique. Babar is one of the top most tier batsmen in the world now. It is joy watching his batting.
 
Anyway, Rahul is a terrific batsman but it is sad to see how his career has stagnated in the last 2 years, and it is looking difficult for him now because of the next generation of talent like Gill, Shaw and Iyer. Perhaps Samson as well.

However, I have my explanation for why his career didn’t take off. It is party his fault but there are circumstantial reasons as well.

Firstly, it is very difficult for him to establish himself in ODIs because of the top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

Rahul is a top-order player and he is not someone who truly understands how to approach the game at the #4 position. He has spent most of the years as a backup to the top 3 and as a result, he hasn’t had an extended run of games without knowing that he would be on the sidelines pretty soon.

He had a very good World Cup earlier this summer because he knew his place was safe in the tournament because Dhawan was injured. He batted with a clear head and produced his best performances in quite a while. His confidence grew as the tournament progressed.

In Test cricket, he has become a victim of his success in T20s. Most of his opportunities have come in T20s lately and as a result, he has lost his discipline and can no longer leave the ball outside the off-stump. He has caught the bug of getting bat on ball early which wasn’t the case during the 2014-2016 period.

Unfortunately, with the rise of Agarwal as the third best Test batsman in Asia after Kohli and Pujara, the resurgence of Rohit as Test opener and the emergence of Shaw, it appears that Rahul will not get the chance to recover his old self in the a Test format.

As far as the circumstantial factors are concerned, it has to do with his age group. He is not from the Kohli, Rohit, Rahane generation but neither is he from the Shaw, Iyer, Samson etc. generation. He is in between.

Consequently, he was too young to establish himself along the former three when the Indian team transitioned from the generation of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir etc., and now he is too old to get as many chances as some of the next generation players.

If he was four years older or younger, I believe that he would have had a greater chance of establishing himself in the side. His peak years are still ahead of him but they are coming at the wrong time.

Rahul and Babar are examples of how two careers can take different trajectories because of the caliber of their respective teams.

Rahul is even more talented than Babar and can do everything the latter can and more, but he players for an elite side where the top 3 is stacked with legendary players.

On the contrary, Babar has benefited from playing in a rubbish side where he has quickly been able to establish himself as the leading batsman at number 3.

If Rahul was in Pakistan, he would have established himself as the undisputed first-choice opener in all formats and everyone would be raving about his talent now. He is levels above Imam, Shan, Shehzad and Fakhar.

On the contrary, Babar could have easily been lost in the Indian system since he wouldn’t have had a chance of batting in the top 3 and they wouldn’t have given him 20+ matches to prove his mettle in the Test format.
 
Anyway, Rahul is a terrific batsman but it is sad to see how his career has stagnated in the last 2 years, and it is looking difficult for him now because of the next generation of talent like Gill, Shaw and Iyer. Perhaps Samson as well.

However, I have my explanation for why his career didn’t take off. It is party his fault but there are circumstantial reasons as well.

Firstly, it is very difficult for him to establish himself in ODIs because of the top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

Rahul is a top-order player and he is not someone who truly understands how to approach the game at the #4 position. He has spent most of the years as a backup to the top 3 and as a result, he hasn’t had an extended run of games without knowing that he would be on the sidelines pretty soon.

He had a very good World Cup earlier this summer because he knew his place was safe in the tournament because Dhawan was injured. He batted with a clear head and produced his best performances in quite a while. His confidence grew as the tournament progressed.

In Test cricket, he has become a victim of his success in T20s. Most of his opportunities have come in T20s lately and as a result, he has lost his discipline and can no longer leave the ball outside the off-stump. He has caught the bug of getting bat on ball early which wasn’t the case during the 2014-2016 period.

Unfortunately, with the rise of Agarwal as the third best Test batsman in Asia after Kohli and Pujara, the resurgence of Rohit as Test opener and the emergence of Shaw, it appears that Rahul will not get the chance to recover his old self in the a Test format.

As far as the circumstantial factors are concerned, it has to do with his age group. He is not from the Kohli, Rohit, Rahane generation but neither is he from the Shaw, Iyer, Samson etc. generation. He is in between.

Consequently, he was too young to establish himself along the former three when the Indian team transitioned from the generation of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir etc., and now he is too old to get as many chances as some of the next generation players.

If he was four years older or younger, I believe that he would have had a greater chance of establishing himself in the side. His peak years are still ahead of him but they are coming at the wrong time.

Rahul and Babar are examples of how two careers can take different trajectories because of the caliber of their respective teams.

Rahul is even more talented than Babar and can do everything the latter can and more, but he players for an elite side where the top 3 is stacked with legendary players.

On the contrary, Babar has benefited from playing in a rubbish side where he has quickly been able to establish himself as the leading batsman at number 3.

If Rahul was in Pakistan, he would have established himself as the undisputed first-choice opener in all formats and everyone would be raving about his talent now. He is levels above Imam, Shan, Shehzad and Fakhar.

On the contrary, Babar could have easily been lost in the Indian system since he wouldn’t have had a chance of batting in the top 3 and they wouldn’t have given him 20+ matches to prove his mettle in the Test format.

Excellent and thoughtful points! I agree with Mamoon.
 
I've been criticizing KL Rahul's technique/batting mindset for years now. He makes the same mistakes every time and is just getting by on talent.

Babar is quite a bit better than Rahul.
 
He scored more tough runs than Babar in test cricket, I know you are flying high after that Gabba knock but remember Rahul was the highest scorer in a series that offered some of the toughest pitches post 2000 and we have all seen how Babar faired against SL spinners in UAE.

Point is Rahul regressed and Babar improved, Babar is tougher mentally and has the potential to be a 45 averaging batsman in test cricket and pretty ahead of Rahul right now and probably the gap will only widen in foreseeable future. So this is a win for Babar I guess. If Rahul can make a comeback from the slump he is in now it will be one of the finest comebacks in the history of cricket which seems highly unlikely at this point.


Ahahaha lame excuses from the exact same poster nothing new very expected. The fact that this gabba knock meant very little to fact that babar was already a 10x the batsman kl is or ever will be. This started when we started comparing their t20 averages and you brought in kls meaningless IPL stats to prove heÂ’s better their but again destroyed. Than you said give him more time he will be better even in Odis destroyed again. Than you said we will wait for the World Cup and see who is better than destroyed again I didnÂ’t even visit this thread after that to put you to shame cause I didnÂ’t need to it would be just a disgrace to babar for me to compare him to kl again. But since I didnÂ’t quote anyone and I knew you would be the only one to reply well youÂ’ve gotten your answer havenÂ’t you now please donÂ’t reply to me if you have any shame left as well until kl actually comes anywhere near the class of babar.
 
Anyway, Rahul is a terrific batsman but it is sad to see how his career has stagnated in the last 2 years, and it is looking difficult for him now because of the next generation of talent like Gill, Shaw and Iyer. Perhaps Samson as well.

However, I have my explanation for why his career didn’t take off. It is party his fault but there are circumstantial reasons as well.

Firstly, it is very difficult for him to establish himself in ODIs because of the top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

Rahul is a top-order player and he is not someone who truly understands how to approach the game at the #4 position. He has spent most of the years as a backup to the top 3 and as a result, he hasn’t had an extended run of games without knowing that he would be on the sidelines pretty soon.

He had a very good World Cup earlier this summer because he knew his place was safe in the tournament because Dhawan was injured. He batted with a clear head and produced his best performances in quite a while. His confidence grew as the tournament progressed.

In Test cricket, he has become a victim of his success in T20s. Most of his opportunities have come in T20s lately and as a result, he has lost his discipline and can no longer leave the ball outside the off-stump. He has caught the bug of getting bat on ball early which wasn’t the case during the 2014-2016 period.

Unfortunately, with the rise of Agarwal as the third best Test batsman in Asia after Kohli and Pujara, the resurgence of Rohit as Test opener and the emergence of Shaw, it appears that Rahul will not get the chance to recover his old self in the a Test format.

As far as the circumstantial factors are concerned, it has to do with his age group. He is not from the Kohli, Rohit, Rahane generation but neither is he from the Shaw, Iyer, Samson etc. generation. He is in between.

Consequently, he was too young to establish himself along the former three when the Indian team transitioned from the generation of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir etc., and now he is too old to get as many chances as some of the next generation players.

If he was four years older or younger, I believe that he would have had a greater chance of establishing himself in the side. His peak years are still ahead of him but they are coming at the wrong time.

Rahul and Babar are examples of how two careers can take different trajectories because of the caliber of their respective teams.

Rahul is even more talented than Babar and can do everything the latter can and more, but he players for an elite side where the top 3 is stacked with legendary players.

On the contrary, Babar has benefited from playing in a rubbish side where he has quickly been able to establish himself as the leading batsman at number 3.

If Rahul was in Pakistan, he would have established himself as the undisputed first-choice opener in all formats and everyone would be raving about his talent now. He is levels above Imam, Shan, Shehzad and Fakhar.

On the contrary, Babar could have easily been lost in the Indian system since he wouldn’t have had a chance of batting in the top 3 and they wouldn’t have given him 20+ matches to prove his mettle in the Test format.

JUST NO.

First of all, all these batsmen that you praise have a better set up than our Pakistani set up hence it is far easier for them to come through the ranks. “Talent” their is no such thing even kohli says that’s it’s all about hard work I don’t really see talent being a thing because Steve smith was never talented he worked his way up to be the best batsman ever. So when you say rahul is more talented that is false babar is better and even more talented if their was a thing in cricket cause it’s all about skill and hard work.
 
JUST NO.

First of all, all these batsmen that you praise have a better set up than our Pakistani set up hence it is far easier for them to come through the ranks. “Talent” their is no such thing even kohli says that’s it’s all about hard work I don’t really see talent being a thing because Steve smith was never talented he worked his way up to be the best batsman ever. So when you say rahul is more talented that is false babar is better and even more talented if their was a thing in cricket cause it’s all about skill and hard work.

You couldn’t be more wrong.

Talent plays a huge part in sport. In fact, it plays a huge part in every field. You cannot become a good doctor without having a high IQ and a good memory, and you cannot become a ground breaking physicist with a low IQ no matter how hard you study.

If someone doesn’t have talent for batting, he can become a decent amateur or even a club player through hard work, but he will never become a world class international player. You cannot reach the top purely on hard work.

What hard work does is that it supplements your talent. Talent alone will help you rise through the junior and amateur ranks, but you will be exposed at the top level if you don’t put in the hard yards to complement the talent. For example, look at Umar Akmal. When he competed against less talented players in Lahore he dominated them, but when he competed against talented and hard working players in the international circuit, he couldn’t excel.

It is easy for someone like Kohli to say that there is no such thing as talent and it is all hard work because he is talented. You can control your hard work but you cannot control your talent. Since you cannot see or feel talent, a talented person usually doesn’t realize that it actually exists, since he thinks that everyone is like them and the only difference is the hard work.

Ask about talent from the hundreds of batsmen in India who work as hard as Kohli but are nowhere near the Indian team, simply because they don’t have the talent that Kohli has. However, as I said, to become the best in the world, you need both talent and hard work.

Smith is actually outrageously talented. He has a unreal gift for hand-eye coordination which is second to none. He would have been a brilliant player at other sports where hand-eye coordination is dominant. For example, golf, tennis, ping pong, badminton etc.

Look at de Villiers. He excelled not only at cricket but also at golf, swimming, tennis, hockey and rugby. He could have been a national level professional in any of these sports. How much did do you think he had to work hard for all these sports? He was simply a naturally gifted athlete and that gave him an edge in all sports including cricket, where he worked hard to supplement his talent.

However, if both players have talent and even if that talent is not equal, then the lesser talented player can surpass the more talented one by working harder. Of course, if there is daylight between the talents, then the hard work will not make the difference as I explained above.

For example, if Rahul has a talent factor of 90% and Babar has a talent factor of 80%, then Babar can definitely become the better batsman by working harder on his game. Perhaps that is what is happening already, maybe Rahul isn’t working as hard as he should be.

Having watched both players play from the beginning, I firmly believe that Rahul has more natural ability, just like Rohit has more natural ability than Kohli. Rahul has an incredible talent for striking the ball, but Babar is better than him in terms of technique and temperament, something that he has built over the years by working had.
 
You couldn’t be more wrong.

Talent plays a huge part in sport. In fact, it plays a huge part in every field. You cannot become a good doctor without having a high IQ and a good memory, and you cannot become a ground breaking physicist with a low IQ no matter how hard you study.

If someone doesn’t have talent for batting, he can become a decent amateur or even a club player through hard work, but he will never become a world class international player. You cannot reach the top purely on hard work.

What hard work does is that it supplements your talent. Talent alone will help you rise through the junior and amateur ranks, but you will be exposed at the top level if you don’t put in the hard yards to complement the talent. For example, look at Umar Akmal. When he competed against less talented players in Lahore he dominated them, but when he competed against talented and hard working players in the international circuit, he couldn’t excel.

It is easy for someone like Kohli to say that there is no such thing as talent and it is all hard work because he is talented. You can control your hard work but you cannot control your talent. Since you cannot see or feel talent, a talented person usually doesn’t realize that it actually exists, since he thinks that everyone is like them and the only difference is the hard work.

Ask about talent from the hundreds of batsmen in India who work as hard as Kohli but are nowhere near the Indian team, simply because they don’t have the talent that Kohli has. However, as I said, to become the best in the world, you need both talent and hard work.

Smith is actually outrageously talented. He has a unreal gift for hand-eye coordination which is second to none. He would have been a brilliant player at other sports where hand-eye coordination is dominant. For example, golf, tennis, ping pong, badminton etc.

Look at de Villiers. He excelled not only at cricket but also at golf, swimming, tennis, hockey and rugby. He could have been a national level professional in any of these sports. How much did do you think he had to work hard for all these sports? He was simply a naturally gifted athlete and that gave him an edge in all sports including cricket, where he worked hard to supplement his talent.

However, if both players have talent and even if that talent is not equal, then the lesser talented player can surpass the more talented one by working harder. Of course, if there is daylight between the talents, then the hard work will not make the difference as I explained above.

For example, if Rahul has a talent factor of 90% and Babar has a talent factor of 80%, then Babar can definitely become the better batsman by working harder on his game. Perhaps that is what is happening already, maybe Rahul isn’t working as hard as he should be.

Having watched both players play from the beginning, I firmly believe that Rahul has more natural ability, just like Rohit has more natural ability than Kohli. Rahul has an incredible talent for striking the ball, but Babar is better than him in terms of technique and temperament, something that he has built over the years by working had.
Stop making excuses for rubbish cricketers.

Oh wait, that sound familiar to you now sunshine? :yk
 
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