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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Stop making excuses for rubbish cricketers.

Oh wait, that sound familiar to you now sunshine? :yk

Rahul is not rubbish. He is a very good batsman who has not fulfilled his potential due to a multitude of reasons. He is no Umar Akmal or Faheem Ashraf who has caused you plenty of heartburn over the last two years.

If Rahul was in Pakistan he would have been our main opener across formats. It is very hard to compete against a top three of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the best in history.
 
Rahul is not rubbish. He is a very good batsman who has not fulfilled his potential due to a multitude of reasons. He is no Umar Akmal or Faheem Ashraf who has caused you plenty of heartburn over the last two years.

If Rahul was in Pakistan he would have been our main opener across formats. It is very hard to compete against a top three of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the best in history.
You need to stop making excuses and accept that Rahul is a rubbish player who will never amount to anything. Until you and his fans get rid of this rotten mentality, nothing will change. KL Rahul is finished.

Aapko KL Rahul jaisa ghatya player mubarak ho :yk :vk2
 
You need to stop making excuses and accept that Rahul is a rubbish player who will never amount to anything. Until you and his fans get rid of this rotten mentality, nothing will change. KL Rahul is finished.

Aapko KL Rahul jaisa ghatya player mubarak ho :yk :vk2

He is not rubbish. Anyway, if you are interested in making jokes then the stage is yours.
 
Fakhar is a hack, apart from that CT knock got nothing to show for. Probably the worst opener to have opened in a test match in this decade, Rahul had 6 consecutive 50s in a series where Kohli struggled to put bat on ball, got centuries in England and Australia, that is more than what Fakhar can dream of. However Rahul is clearly not mentally tough enough to compete with Babar, hell I don't think he is playing test cricket anytime soon. Point is whatever he is still miles better than Fakhar.

Worst opener almost scored a hundred in his debut test against Aus. Played a clutch innings with Sarfaraz when Pakistan was almost 5 down for less than 50. His ODI stats are better than Rahul. As I said, Fakhar vs Rahul is more appropriate comparison although Fakhar's sample size in tests is too small.
 
There is no shame in admitting that KL Rahul is simply a superior batsman. Technically, he is as good as it gets, and he is more versatile as well. The only reason he is below Babar in ODIs for now is because he has played very little ODI cricket so far. He certainly has a superior game for all formats,year and can be the best opener in the world across all formats over the next few years. He may never reach the heights of Warner and QdK in ODIs, but he is already more well-rounded than Warner in Tests. Comfortably the most complete batsman to emerge out of Asia since Kohli.

However, Babar definitely has what it takes to succeed in Test cricket. He is a run scoring machine who just needs to find his feet in Test cricket. In due time, he should also improve his power-hitting in ODIs. Pakistan cricket is very lucky to have someone like him, easily the best batting prospect for more than a decade.

If Rahul fulfills his potential, Babar will not be able to match him.

He is the most complete batsman India has produced since Kohli.

There is no shame in admitting that Babar Azam is simply a superior batsman.

Just shows how you overrate every indian player and you can't be taken seriously regarding indian and pakistani players.
 
This thread seems to provide temporary relief from all the pain and humiliation that Pakistan cricket has suffered, especially in relation to India.

As supporters of a rubbish team, Pakistani fans are too arrogant and trash-talk way too much. Their egos do not match the caliber and the performance of the team. They have one Babar and they act as if he has been sent from the heavens.

He has proved to be a better batsman than Rahul and there is no doubt that he has a higher stature and will retire with a far better record and a bigger name.

He is a world class player and can potentially become Pakistan’s greatest batsman. It is a joy to watch a Pakistani batsman bat so well.

The only real humiliation this thread has done is yours. this thread proves how big a troll and indian ****** you are.

So now let give me some stats :
You have a total of 53 posts in this thread, one of the most. But strangely all posts are in the first 2 years of the thread till you could claim Rahul is better than Babar and he is the futur best opener in the world and things like "already more well rounded test opener test opener than Warner".

You completely disappeared from page 12 (around mid 2018), why? Because what you find interesting is not the comparaison between these players, it's just saying that indian are better. You knew Babar was getting ahead.

Tough you will never reappear here, but when there is no shame there just isn't any, you came here not to be happy for Babar. But just to explain all of us why Babar is doing better and how unlucky is Rahul.
 
There is no shame in admitting that Babar Azam is simply a superior batsman.

Just shows how you overrate every indian player and you can't be taken seriously regarding indian and pakistani players.

I didn't see anything wrong with what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said. KL on song is a strokeplayer like no other in world cricket. He showed immense potential at the start of his career hence got the praise.


Sadly, he couldn't make the most of his chances and was unable to fulfill the potential he showed initially.
I hope you realize that his is not the first time a promising young batsman failed to meet expections. So yes, Babar is a way better player than Rahul.
 
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You couldn’t be more wrong.

Talent plays a huge part in sport. In fact, it plays a huge part in every field. You cannot become a good doctor without having a high IQ and a good memory, and you cannot become a ground breaking physicist with a low IQ no matter how hard you study.

If someone doesn’t have talent for batting, he can become a decent amateur or even a club player through hard work, but he will never become a world class international player. You cannot reach the top purely on hard work.

What hard work does is that it supplements your talent. Talent alone will help you rise through the junior and amateur ranks, but you will be exposed at the top level if you don’t put in the hard yards to complement the talent. For example, look at Umar Akmal. When he competed against less talented players in Lahore he dominated them, but when he competed against talented and hard working players in the international circuit, he couldn’t excel.

It is easy for someone like Kohli to say that there is no such thing as talent and it is all hard work because he is talented. You can control your hard work but you cannot control your talent. Since you cannot see or feel talent, a talented person usually doesn’t realize that it actually exists, since he thinks that everyone is like them and the only difference is the hard work.

Ask about talent from the hundreds of batsmen in India who work as hard as Kohli but are nowhere near the Indian team, simply because they don’t have the talent that Kohli has. However, as I said, to become the best in the world, you need both talent and hard work.

Smith is actually outrageously talented. He has a unreal gift for hand-eye coordination which is second to none. He would have been a brilliant player at other sports where hand-eye coordination is dominant. For example, golf, tennis, ping pong, badminton etc.

Look at de Villiers. He excelled not only at cricket but also at golf, swimming, tennis, hockey and rugby. He could have been a national level professional in any of these sports. How much did do you think he had to work hard for all these sports? He was simply a naturally gifted athlete and that gave him an edge in all sports including cricket, where he worked hard to supplement his talent.

However, if both players have talent and even if that talent is not equal, then the lesser talented player can surpass the more talented one by working harder. Of course, if there is daylight between the talents, then the hard work will not make the difference as I explained above.

For example, if Rahul has a talent factor of 90% and Babar has a talent factor of 80%, then Babar can definitely become the better batsman by working harder on his game. Perhaps that is what is happening already, maybe Rahul isn’t working as hard as he should be.

Having watched both players play from the beginning, I firmly believe that Rahul has more natural ability, just like Rohit has more natural ability than Kohli. Rahul has an incredible talent for striking the ball, but Babar is better than him in terms of technique and temperament, something that he has built over the years by working had.

People with a preconceived bias won't even bother reading this wonderful write-up.
 
I didn't see anything wrong with what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] said. KL on song is a strokeplayer like no other in world cricket. He showed immense potential at the start of his career hence got the praise.


Sadly, he couldn't make the most of his chances and was unable to fulfill the potential he showed initially.
I hope you realize that his is not the first time a promising young batsman failed to meet expections. So yes, Babar is a way better player than Rahul.

Don’t interrupt the celebrations. This is the first time a Pakistani player has a prevailed in a comparison with an Indian player, so there will be a lot of revisionism. Let them have their moment in the sun.

Umar vs Kohli
Umar vs Rohit
Amir vs Bumrah
Hasan vs Bumrah
Faheem vs Pandya
Shadab vs Kuldeep
Fakhar vs Dhawan

etc. etc., all of these comparisons have ended in tears and humiliation for Pakistani fans.

Since India is several galaxies above Pakistan in every format, let them enjoy their victory in this meaningless comparison. It is putting a band-aid to a fractured bone.
 
Don’t interrupt the celebrations. This is the first time a Pakistani player has a prevailed in a comparison with an Indian player, so there will be a lot of revisionism. Let them have their moment in the sun.

Umar vs Kohli
Umar vs Rohit
Amir vs Bumrah
Hasan vs Bumrah
Faheem vs Pandya
Shadab vs Kuldeep
Fakhar vs Dhawan

etc. etc., all of these comparisons have ended in tears and humiliation for Pakistani fans.

Since India is several galaxies above Pakistan in every format, let them enjoy their victory in this meaningless comparison. It is putting a band-aid to a fractured bone.

Fakhar vs Dhawan gotta be the worst of them all, at least the other comparisons made somewhat sense at some point of time but comparing Fakhar, just after he hacked his way to glory against the mighty Zim, with Dhawan was truly pukeworthy.
 
Fakhar vs Dhawan gotta be the worst of them all, at least the other comparisons made somewhat sense at some point of time but comparing Fakhar, just after he hacked his way to glory against the mighty Zim, with Dhawan was truly pukeworthy.

U honestly think umar akmal vs kohli and rohit is even slightly sensible? Atleast fakhar has avg around 50 and was half decent until 2018.

umar akmal , as a batsman, is not even close to shivam dube. and he is an all rounder who has barely any
international games
 
U honestly think umar akmal vs kohli and rohit is even slightly sensible? Atleast fakhar has avg around 50 and was half decent until 2018.

umar akmal , as a batsman, is not even close to shivam dube. and he is an all rounder who has barely any
international games

Didn't Umar and Kohli had similar averages at some point? Didn't he show glimpses of talent and flashes of brilliance very early in his career? while Kohli was more methodical and less flamboyant in his approach. Point being that comparison was valid, albeit for a very short time, due to them being of similar age and experience at that point. Rohit underachieved massively at the initial stages of his career, I am not quite sure when that Umar vs Rohit thread started but if it is pre 2013 than definitely made sense that time.

When Fakhar came into picture Dhawan was already one of the best openers in the world, so comparing Dhawan with him based on a flukish CT knock and double hundred against Zim was worse than a bad joke.
 
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Unless KL Rahul does a Rohit Sharma, I don't see any coming back for him with all the young top order batsmen coming up in India.
 
Anyway, Rahul is a terrific batsman but it is sad to see how his career has stagnated in the last 2 years, and it is looking difficult for him now because of the next generation of talent like Gill, Shaw and Iyer. Perhaps Samson as well.

However, I have my explanation for why his career didn’t take off. It is party his fault but there are circumstantial reasons as well.

Firstly, it is very difficult for him to establish himself in ODIs because of the top 3 of Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli, which is arguably the greatest top 3 in ODI history.

Rahul is a top-order player and he is not someone who truly understands how to approach the game at the #4 position. He has spent most of the years as a backup to the top 3 and as a result, he hasn’t had an extended run of games without knowing that he would be on the sidelines pretty soon.

He had a very good World Cup earlier this summer because he knew his place was safe in the tournament because Dhawan was injured. He batted with a clear head and produced his best performances in quite a while. His confidence grew as the tournament progressed.

In Test cricket, he has become a victim of his success in T20s. Most of his opportunities have come in T20s lately and as a result, he has lost his discipline and can no longer leave the ball outside the off-stump. He has caught the bug of getting bat on ball early which wasn’t the case during the 2014-2016 period.

Unfortunately, with the rise of Agarwal as the third best Test batsman in Asia after Kohli and Pujara, the resurgence of Rohit as Test opener and the emergence of Shaw, it appears that Rahul will not get the chance to recover his old self in the a Test format.

As far as the circumstantial factors are concerned, it has to do with his age group. He is not from the Kohli, Rohit, Rahane generation but neither is he from the Shaw, Iyer, Samson etc. generation. He is in between.

Consequently, he was too young to establish himself along the former three when the Indian team transitioned from the generation of Tendulkar, Sehwag, Gambhir etc., and now he is too old to get as many chances as some of the next generation players.

If he was four years older or younger, I believe that he would have had a greater chance of establishing himself in the side. His peak years are still ahead of him but they are coming at the wrong time.

Rahul and Babar are examples of how two careers can take different trajectories because of the caliber of their respective teams.

Rahul is even more talented than Babar and can do everything the latter can and more, but he players for an elite side where the top 3 is stacked with legendary players.

On the contrary, Babar has benefited from playing in a rubbish side where he has quickly been able to establish himself as the leading batsman at number 3.

If Rahul was in Pakistan, he would have established himself as the undisputed first-choice opener in all formats and everyone would be raving about his talent now. He is levels above Imam, Shan, Shehzad and Fakhar.

On the contrary, Babar could have easily been lost in the Indian system since he wouldn’t have had a chance of batting in the top 3 and they wouldn’t have given him 20+ matches to prove his mettle in the Test format.

Generally you make good points (esp Rahul’s level compared to other Pakistani batsman) but Rahul whenever he has played generally has had the luxury of knowing that the team is not dependent on him and if he gets out it will be 150 all out. So in most cases the only pressure he has had is the pressure for his place in the team. He hasn’t had to come in situations where he’s stuck with the lower order and has wickets falling around him. That is a lot of pressure and I don’t think Rahul is mentally strong to deal with that.

I think Rahul is very very talented and enjoyable to watch but he definitely isn’t the strongest person mentally and whenever he has a string of low scores, he loses confidence easily and gets stuck in a rut.

As for Babar not getting chances to prove his mettle, he likely would have. Kohli also
Struggled initially (thought not near Babars struggles) but he got chances. Similarly Rohit still keeps getting chances. If Babar had been performing well in ODIs then he would often get chances to prove himself.

If Rahul was Pakistani we would have liked raved about him initially and given Him Umar Akmal treatment but he would have lost his way and not have had the mental fortitude to improve his game.

In conclusion, I think Babar is well ahead of Rahul at this point and unless Rahul had Akmal type inconsistency he would be our
Second best batsman overall along with Haris sohail.
 
Didn't Umar and Kohli had similar averages at some point? Didn't he show glimpses of talent and flashes of brilliance very early in his career? while Kohli was more methodical and less flamboyant in his approach. Point being that comparison was valid, albeit for a very short time, due to them being of similar age and experience at that point. Rohit underachieved massively at the initial stages of his career, I am not quite sure when that Umar vs Rohit thread started but if it is pre 2013 than definitely made sense that time.

When Fakhar came into picture Dhawan was already one of the best openers in the world, so comparing Dhawan with him based on a flukish CT knock and double hundred against Zim was worse than a bad joke.
At no point in their careers was Akmal-Kohli a fair comparison
 
Rahul has turned out to be an impressive T20 player and should open as permanent opener along with Rohit at top.

In tests, he started off well but probably lost it around 20 odd tests. His start during his first 20 tests was actually very good, he was getting that hundred every now and then and across different conditions but probably he got influenced with T20 power hitting and that has hurt him in test cricket.

I still feel he can reinvent himself in test cricket but probably too much competition already there and with promising youngsters coming up, his time is up now.
 
I've been one of his harshest ODI/Test critic but he does play T20I well.
At the moment, it looks like T20I is the only format where he warrants a place. The level of competition is way too high for him to get a place in the ODI side, with a star filled TOP 3, and many younger candidates to sneak in the middle order.
The Test Team looks pretty much settled as well, and Rahul's recent performances don't do him any favour.
As far as the Babar vs Rahul comparison is concerned, it's now safe to say that Babar has raced ahead in every format of the game, and it doesn't look like Rahul is going to catch up anytime soon.
Babar has now established himself as one of the best batsmen in the world right now, and by the looks of it, he will be the leader of the pack for the next generation of world class batsmen.
For the first time in over a decade, we have a batsman capable of dominating any attack in any condition. As [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentionned in another post, it's very rare to see such a huge gap of quality between the best batsman and the second best batsman of a team.
 
At the moment, it looks like T20I is the only format where he warrants a place. The level of competition is way too high for him to get a place in the ODI side, with a star filled TOP 3, and many younger candidates to sneak in the middle order.
The Test Team looks pretty much settled as well, and Rahul's recent performances don't do him any favour.
As far as the Babar vs Rahul comparison is concerned, it's now safe to say that Babar has raced ahead in every format of the game, and it doesn't look like Rahul is going to catch up anytime soon.
Babar has now established himself as one of the best batsmen in the world right now, and by the looks of it, he will be the leader of the pack for the next generation of world class batsmen.
For the first time in over a decade, we have a batsman capable of dominating any attack in any condition. As [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentionned in another post, it's very rare to see such a huge gap of quality between the best batsman and the second best batsman of a team.

Babar is far ahead in ODIs and ahead in tests, but in T20 the difference is not big.

For the last point, I agree. Especially given that Haris Sohail has failed to live up to the expectations.
 
At the moment, it looks like T20I is the only format where he warrants a place. The level of competition is way too high for him to get a place in the ODI side, with a star filled TOP 3, and many younger candidates to sneak in the middle order.
The Test Team looks pretty much settled as well, and Rahul's recent performances don't do him any favour.
As far as the Babar vs Rahul comparison is concerned, it's now safe to say that Babar has raced ahead in every format of the game, and it doesn't look like Rahul is going to catch up anytime soon.
Babar has now established himself as one of the best batsmen in the world right now, and by the looks of it, he will be the leader of the pack for the next generation of world class batsmen.
For the first time in over a decade, we have a batsman capable of dominating any attack in any condition. As [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] mentionned in another post, it's very rare to see such a huge gap of quality between the best batsman and the second best batsman of a team.

While Babar is ahead of KL across formats, Babar doesn't dominate any format. He is not a dominating player. In any format. Period.

KL Rahul is a dominating player in T20s. But he has lost his touch in tests and never got the chance to establish himself in ODIs.
 
Babar is miles ahead of Rahul. Not even comparable. Even if they had similar potential/talent 5 years ago, Rahul wasted so many opportunities and got distracted with modelling, girls etc while Babar worked hard and focused on his game and today is one of the best batsmen in the world across all formats. Proud of you, Babar.
 
While Babar is ahead of KL across formats, Babar doesn't dominate any format. He is not a dominating player. In any format. Period.

KL Rahul is a dominating player in T20s. But he has lost his touch in tests and never got the chance to establish himself in ODIs.

Disagree. KL has got plenty of chances to establish himself in ODIs. He got an entire WC. He's just not made his mark.

His average has been poor, his SR is poor, he doesn't bowl or keep wickets. Basically adds little to the team. With younger players warming the bench, I see no reason trying KL Rahul in ODIs again.
 
Babar till SA tour was inferior. That was sort of coming of age tour for him. He may even end up with a career avg of 42-45 which is very decent for a Test batsman. And may become #2 after javed miandad. As for Lokesh, he wasted all chances given to him. It was better Mayank came into the team. Hopefully, after the suspension is over shaw becomes a regular and shuts the door.
 
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KL is an all rounder stroke player. Has shots all around the ground from short third man to leg gully. Especially his cut shots have this calypso flavor.
 
Disagree. KL has got plenty of chances to establish himself in ODIs. He got an entire WC. He's just not made his mark.

His average has been poor, his SR is poor, he doesn't bowl or keep wickets. Basically adds little to the team. With younger players warming the bench, I see no reason trying KL Rahul in ODIs again.

KL literally hasn't had played 5 matches in a row for India in ODIs. That's not what you call "giving a chance".

I admit that he has lost his way in tests but it would be really unfair to say that he has been given a proper go in ODIs.
 
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KL literally hasn't had played 5 matches in a row for India in ODIs. That's not what you call "giving a chance".

I admit that he has lost his way in tests but it would be really unfair to say that he has been given a proper go in ODIs.

He played all 9 matches in the World Cup. Not sure where you got this from.
 
Babar has now established himself as one of the best batsmen in the world right now,

Only in odi cricket he is among the best. However consistent he may be in in t20, lacks the power game to up the ante post power play and there are quite a few better batsmen available. Hell even in Indian team Kohli, Rohit and Rahul are comfortably better t20 bats than him. In test he isn't even a top 10 bat.
 
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Only in odi cricket he is among the best. However consistent he may be in in t20, lacks the power game to up the ante post power play and there are quite a few better batsmen available. Hell even in Indian team Kohli, Rohit and Rahul are comfortably better t20 bats than him. In test he isn't even a top 10 bat.

You're insulting Kohli and Rohit by putting them in the same lines of Babar who's just another Pakistani batsman who hasn't won a handful of matches for his team singlehandedly!
 
Only in odi cricket he is among the best. However consistent he may be in in t20, lacks the power game to up the ante post power play and there are quite a few better batsmen available. Hell even in Indian team Kohli, Rohit and Rahul are comfortably better t20 bats than him. In test he isn't even a top 10 bat.

You come on this thread every time kl plays one good innings in a 100 matches lol I feel sad for you bro kl is not even close being better than babar in t20s stats don’t lie babar is number one you can cry about it all you want no commentator or even cricket guru would say rahul is better than babar even In t20s
 
KL actually has decent T20 stats. India should stick with him in T20s for now.

He is a 360-degree player. An impact player. Terrific six-hitter as well. 29 innings 46 sixes. Guys like him will complement Rohit and Kohli better than Dhawan. Dhawan is useless in T20.He plays in one gear. Not a big over guy.
 
He is a 360-degree player. An impact player. Terrific six-hitter as well. 29 innings 46 sixes. Guys like him will complement Rohit and Kohli better than Dhawan. Dhawan is useless in T20.He plays in one gear. Not a big over guy.

KL has all the shots. It's a shame he has not got going in tests and ODIs.
 
Babar is far ahead in ODIs and ahead in tests, but in T20 the difference is not big.

For the last point, I agree. Especially given that Haris Sohail has failed to live up to the expectations.

True. As I said, T20I is the only format where Rahul can cement his place in the current Indian setup. When it comes to this format, Babar will get the advantage of being more consistent, while Rahul will be more dangerous than Kohli on his day because of his huge striking ability.
 
While Babar is ahead of KL across formats, Babar doesn't dominate any format. He is not a dominating player. In any format. Period.

KL Rahul is a dominating player in T20s. But he has lost his touch in tests and never got the chance to establish himself in ODIs.

Babar has just started to dominate bowling attacks and he will just improve from here onwards. If you look at his recent scores, you will see that his strike rarely drops below 90 in ODIs. Even in the recent Australia tests, his scores of 97 and 104 came at strike rates close to 60.
I disagree on the last part tough. Rahul got plenty of chances to prove himself in ODIs. He is just not being able to replicate his T20 success to the longer formats, and with so many youngsters coming through the Indian ranks, I don't see him becoming a future ODI/Test great at this moment.
 
You come on this thread every time kl plays one good innings in a 100 matches lol I feel sad for you bro kl is not even close being better than babar in t20s stats don’t lie babar is number one you can cry about it all you want no commentator or even cricket guru would say rahul is better than babar even In t20s

Did you at least read what I said? Or just got triggered seeing my username? Please quote me next time only when you have a point by point rebuttal instead of childish rant.

KL averages almost 44 with a strike rate of 147, which is comfortably better than Babar's average off 50 striking at 127 as far as t20 cricket is concerned. In terms of ability, KL has more shots than Kohli let alone Babar, has a well developed power game and can dominate bowling attack irrespective of the power play as evident from his two centuries in this format. Babar, albeit consistent, isn't much of a threat beyond power play overs, just doesn't have the power game, he needs someone to play the big shots while he sticks around and keeps the scoreboard ticking. Good but nothing special and he will not win you matches chasing 200.

Do not judge KL's t20 career based on his failures in ODI and test cricket. Please reply only with normal sentences with punctuation marks.
 
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True. As I said, T20I is the only format where Rahul can cement his place in the current Indian setup. When it comes to this format, Babar will get the advantage of being more consistent, while Rahul will be more dangerous than Kohli on his day because of his huge striking ability.

Babar plays a role similar to that of Kohli (not saying they are close), whereas Rahul plays a different role in the team. The game Rahul has, Babar doesnt. The consistency Babar has Rahul doesnt.

Also, you can't have your team full of Rahuls, as the team will be either scoring 200+ or getting out for less than a 100. Nor can you have too many babars in the team, as the team will rarely cross 160.

Having said that Rahul is getting more consistent in T20I. Haven't been following Pakistan's T20, so can't comment whether Babar has lately improved his hitting ability.
 
Only in odi cricket he is among the best. However consistent he may be in in t20, lacks the power game to up the ante post power play and there are quite a few better batsmen available. Hell even in Indian team Kohli, Rohit and Rahul are comfortably better t20 bats than him. In test he isn't even a top 10 bat.

That is your point of view. As you said, he is one of the best in ODIs, while in T20Is, his numbers and ranking speak for themselves. I never said anything about Babar being a Top 10 Test batsman. He is ranked 13th at the moment, which is a huge improvement compared to where he was 2 years ago.
However, in Tests, he is still ranked miles ahead of Rahul and is one good series away from breaking into the Top 10 as well.
 
Babar plays a role similar to that of Kohli (not saying they are close), whereas Rahul plays a different role in the team. The game Rahul has, Babar doesnt. The consistency Babar has Rahul doesnt.

Also, you can't have your team full of Rahuls, as the team will be either scoring 200+ or getting out for less than a 100. Nor can you have too many babars in the team, as the team will rarely cross 160.

Having said that Rahul is getting more consistent in T20I. Haven't been following Pakistan's T20, so can't comment whether Babar has lately improved his hitting ability.

yes You should be able to complement other players. Rahane in one dayers couldn't do that. Laxman in one dayers was a flop.
 
Babar plays a role similar to that of Kohli (not saying they are close), whereas Rahul plays a different role in the team. The game Rahul has, Babar doesnt. The consistency Babar has Rahul doesnt.

Also, you can't have your team full of Rahuls, as the team will be either scoring 200+ or getting out for less than a 100. Nor can you have too many babars in the team, as the team will rarely cross 160.

Having said that Rahul is getting more consistent in T20I. Haven't been following Pakistan's T20, so can't comment whether Babar has lately improved his hitting ability.

The first and second paragraph of your post perfectly resumes what I said about Babar being more consistent and Rahul being a more powerful hitter.
Babar's hitting has greatly improved in the last year or so. His ODI strike rate has gone from 84 to 87 while his T20 strike rate is closing in on 130. What I find great about him is the fact that his average is staying over 50 and his strike rate is improving at the same time. A quality you don't often associate with our batsmen.
 
Rahul is like Afridi on Steroids. If he starts scoring he'll give you a big total but if he doesn't then he'll get out early. Babar is more suitable to the UAE type pitches as a score of 150 can be a winning one on those pitches which is why his strike rate rarely crosses 140 as it's just not needed. Whereas in India, a score of even 200 isn't safe so Rahul will be a more suitable option in India compared to Babar due to his hard hitting ability

In ODIs and Tests, there's no comparison whatsoever between the two
 
That is your point of view. As you said, he is one of the best in ODIs, while in T20Is, his numbers and ranking speak for themselves. I never said anything about Babar being a Top 10 Test batsman. He is ranked 13th at the moment, which is a huge improvement compared to where he was 2 years ago.
However, in Tests, he is still ranked miles ahead of Rahul and is one good series away from breaking into the Top 10 as well.

Fair enough.

I would still take the guy averaging 40+ striking at 150 over the one averages 50 striking at 125 in my team.

I don't however think Babar is a top 10 material in test but he could very well prove me wrong though. To be honest it shouldn't take two years for a quality batsman to break into top 15, which is actually a pretty ordinary jump that you are boasting about.
 
Fair enough.

I would still take the guy averaging 40+ striking at 150 over the one averages 50 striking at 125 in my team.

I don't however think Babar is a top 10 material in test but he could very well prove me wrong though. To be honest it shouldn't take two years for a quality batsman to break into top 15, which is actually a pretty ordinary jump that you are boasting about.

At the end of the day how well a player complement the other players is the major criteria. In my view KL Rahul complement Rohit/Kohli way better than Shikar Dhawan who is one-dimensional not that effective outside of power play. Can't produce big overs. Can't hit sixes when needed to relieve pressure.
 
Fair enough.

I would still take the guy averaging 40+ striking at 150 over the one averages 50 striking at 125 in my team.

I don't however think Babar is a top 10 material in test but he could very well prove me wrong though. To be honest it shouldn't take two years for a quality batsman to break into top 15, which is actually a pretty ordinary jump that you are boasting about.

He started slowly in Tests, so he will take some time to make his mark there. He is averaging 50+ since January 2018.
You can look at it from this point of view:
On one side, you have Babar who is climbing up the rankings, while one the other hand, Rahul is not even in the Top 50 anymore.
 
At the end of the day how well a player complement the other players is the major criteria. In my view KL Rahul complement Rohit/Kohli way better than Shikar Dhawan who is one-dimensional not that effective outside of power play. Can't produce big overs. Can't hit sixes when needed to relieve pressure.

I would take Dhawan over Rahul in the blink of an eye though.
He simply becomes a different kind of monster in ICC tournaments.
 
He started slowly in Tests, so he will take some time to make his mark there. He is averaging 50+ since January 2018.
You can look at it from this point of view:
On one side, you have Babar who is climbing up the rankings, while one the other hand, Rahul is not even in the Top 50 anymore.

You perhaps missed the point, Babar is quite ahead an far as ODI and tests are concerned. Not sure you are maintaining a tone as if I said otherwise.

It is only t20 where the fight is still on with Rahul ahead atm.
 
People are gassing Rahul over a 40 ball 62 on a flat wicket against a mediocre bowling attack.
Babar scored consecutive fifties and even scored 59 off 39 balls against Aus in AUS.
His strike rate for this year is near 140 too. People just don't want to admit that the reason his career strike rate is lower than 140 is because he plays most of his matches in the UAE. You don't need to score 180-190 in the UAE to win, 145 is more than enough which means the batsmen take less risks.

Look at these stats:
This year Babar has played 10 T20is and averages around 42 with a strike rate of 137. While KL Rahul has played 7 T20is at an average of 42 with a strike rate of around 139.
Babar played 3 of these T20is in Aus against a good bowling attack while Rahul has played mostly in India.

[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] Now tell me Babar doesn't deserve to be no.1 or that Rahul has performed better than Babar
 
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People are gassing Rahul over a 40 ball 62 on a flat wicket against a mediocre bowling attack.
Babar scored consecutive fifties and even scored 59 off 39 balls against Aus in AUS.
His strike rate for this year is near 140 too. People just don't want to admit that the reason his career strike rate is lower than 140 is because he plays most of his matches in the UAE. You don't need to score 180-190 in the UAE to win, 145 is more than enough which means the batsmen take less risks.

Look at these stats:
This year Babar has played 10 T20is and averages around 42 with a strike rate of 137. While KL Rahul has played 7 T20is at an average of 42 with a strike rate of around 139.
Babar played 3 of these T20is in Aus against a good bowling attack while Rahul has played mostly in India.

[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] Now tell me Babar doesn't deserve to be no.1 or that Rahul has performed better than Babar

Babar does not have a beast mode ... in a game like today, he would have bottled it. Whether you like it or not, I will pick Rahul vs Babar in a big chase, but that’s just me. Rahul is just 27 and is my pick for the most impactful batsman in World T20 next year. You heard it here first.
 
Babar does not have a beast mode ... in a game like today, he would have bottled it. Whether you like it or not, I will pick Rahul vs Babar in a big chase, but that’s just me. Rahul is just 27 and is my pick for the most impactful batsman in World T20 next year. You heard it here first.

The fact is that Rahul didn't win you this game. Kohli did. Don't think scoring at a strike rate of 150 is categorised as going "beast mode" considering Babar has scored at the strike rate many times.
 
The fact is that Rahul didn't win you this game. Kohli did. Don't think scoring at a strike rate of 150 is categorised as going "beast mode" considering Babar has scored at the strike rate many times.
Rahul scored 101 off 54 in England and 110 off 51 in Florida.
 
The fact is that Rahul didn't win you this game. Kohli did. Don't think scoring at a strike rate of 150 is categorised as going "beast mode" considering Babar has scored at the strike rate many times.

This is a very parochial way of looking at things. VK was struggling at the start and it was KL who kept us on the chase with a rr of around 10 an over,

Can you please share some stats on Babar scoring at strike rate of 150 or more ...? Happy to eat humble pie if true...
 
This is a very parochial way of looking at things. VK was struggling at the start and it was KL who kept us on the chase with a rr of around 10 an over,

Can you please share some stats on Babar scoring at strike rate of 150 or more ...? Happy to eat humble pie if true...
I was talking about individual matches so here are some that I remember:

His Strike rate against South Africa is 150+ (3 matches)
2nd T20 vs SA - SR of 155 (scored 90) and his strike rate against England is 150 (2 matches).

1st T20i vs Aus - SR of 155

T20 vs NZ in NZ - SR of 172
 
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In T20Is both players roles are very different and as such should not be compared head on.

Babar's role model and evolution target should be Kohli in T20Is. Limited array of shots but mentally pure steel and minimal dot ball percentage allied with stable base controlled hitting.

KL Rahul's evolution targets should be Warner/Rohit. Explosive openers who can bat long but can go on starburst rampage of shots if match situation demands/opportunity presents itself at any time in inns.
 
Lokesh Rahul is a once in a generation level talent. He's the most gifted complete batsman i have ever seen since Tendulkar.
 
He played all 9 matches in the World Cup. Not sure where you got this from.

Don't know which WC you are talking about but in 2019 Dhawan played the first 3 games.

And throwing in a batsman into the middle of a WC after he last played in ODIs months ago (probably last played in the Asia Cup '18) is not giving a guy chances. Let's be fair to him. Let us at least admit that KL hasn't been given a fair go in ODIs.
 
Babar isn't a big striker like Rahul but he has been batting faster this year. His average this year in T20Is dropped to 42 but strike-rate increased to 137... Since the World Cup and the Somerset stint, I think he is more confident playing bigger shots in T20s generally.
 
When Rahul scored India mostly win but same can't true about Babar

You remember Rahul's first T20 hundred ?
That was in Florida against Windies. Yeah, India lost that game.

Not demeaning Rahul, but pointing it out that team's performance is dependent on more than one individual. Just because Pak lost when Babar scored, doesn't make him a lesser batsman.
 
Didn't say he didn't.
Just saying he's not consistent enough.
Let's see how good he does in the next two matches, that'll give us something to work with I guess

How’s KL inconsistent averaging 43 and has taken just 3 more games than Babar for his 1000 runs ? This after missing half of India’s T20 games in last 2 years .
The only format Babar is better is ODIs , where again Rahul competes with the best Top3 in the world for a spot .
 
Didn't say he didn't.
Just saying he's not consistent enough.
Let's see how good he does in the next two matches, that'll give us something to work with I guess

But there is no point for Rahul to play like Babar.

For instance, if Babar would be in the Indian line up, he would not add much value. Rahul really complements Rohit and Kohli. Someone like Babar is a very similar type of player to these two. So, having a top order of Rohit-Babar, Kohli would be useless.

So with Rohit and Kohli in the side, I would rather take a little less consistent but best made Rahul, than a consistent but without beast mode Rahul.
 
No thank you.

Keep him away from real cricket.

Why? Rahul is not a blind slogger and has got all the copy book shots. Infact, he got a better technique than Rohit Sharma. He definitely deserve to be back in ODIs and tests.
 
babar azam has less test hundreds than rahul and has an average less than 40. pakistanis hype him because he is the only decent batsmen they have.

babar is an ok batsman. he is no atg in the making. will end up in the inzamam mould which is the ceiling for a pakistani batsman anyways.
 
babar azam has less test hundreds than rahul and has an average less than 40. pakistanis hype him because he is the only decent batsmen they have.

babar is an ok batsman. he is no atg in the making. will end up in the inzamam mould which is the ceiling for a pakistani batsman anyways.

Do you just look at the hundreds and call it a day?
Rahul has played 10 more matches than Babar and has only 3 more hundreds.
I'm sure by the end of the Bangldesh tour, Babar will have the same, if not more, hundreds than Rahul.

Of course he's an ATG in the making. He was averaging 20 2 years ago now he's averaging 37. By the end of the BD tour, he'll be closing in on 40.

Just because you're an Indian doesn't mean you let that dilute the facts. Babar is no.13 right now in test cricket and that will only going up and he's the only second player in the world to be in the top 15 for each of the 3 formats (Kohli being the first).

"He's an OK batsman" :)))
 
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pakistanis like to hype babar as a great batsman, atg in the making, greatest among his contemporaries.

here are some stats of him and contemporaries:

babar azam - 2 100s at 37.05

let's see who else within 2 years of his age (either side so 23-27) have comparable or superior records:

aiden markram - 4 100s at 40
quinton dekock - 5 100s at 38.11
tom latham - 11 100s at 44.02
kusal mendis - 6 100s at 36.23
kl rahul - 5 100s at 34.6

so there are guys with similar records in the same age group, some even superior but no one hypes them as much as pakistanis do because they are starving for a good batsman.

also check out

rishabh pant - 44.35 with 2 100s
 
Do you just look at the hundreds and call it a day?
Rahul has played 10 more matches than Babar and has only 3 more hundreds.
I'm sure by the end of the Bangldesh tour, Babar will have the same, if not more, hundreds than Rahul.

Of course he's an ATG in the making. He was averaging 20 2 years ago now he's averaging 37. By the end of the BD tour, he'll be closing in on 40.

Just because you're an Indian doesn't mean you let that dilute the facts. Babar is no.13 right now in test cricket and that will only going up and he's the only second player in the world to be in the top 15 for each of the 3 formats (Kohli being the first).

"He's an OK batsman" :)))
Lol at no 13.

KL Rahul actually entered the top 10. Mayank Agarwal is actually 12 now (higher than Azam).

Your maths is very poor. Because he was averaging 20 2 years ago and now hes 37 doesnt mean he will average 40 after BD tour. This is not an interest rate that it keeps on rising. Using that logic he should average 200 when he is 60 years old. There is no guarantee he will go above 13.

All his test knocks are very soft knocks when match is already lost. He did nothing in Brisbane first innings when you had to get a good score. Only when the match is gone and no pressure he scores runs.
 
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