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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

oh my god. This thread is going to explode lol I thought this thread would slow down PP today after today's performances of each guys. Stop it guys. Unless and until KL Rahul starts playing Test matches this thread is meaningless. Both are from same under-19 batch. That is the only common thing at this point. Sure KL Rahul started his career better than Babar. Then he went off the boil. Babar turned it around. KL Rahul is slowly turning around only in LOI. Babar is always going to be more consistent as he has a tighter game with tighter defense.
 
If Rahul doesn't open the innings, I think the possibility of him reaching his best will diminish further... He needs that poetic notion of an innings (wants to see the pitch & the ball from the beginning, understand it & bat accordingly, the wearing of both pitch & ball.) That's what he has achieved as an opener in some matches! If he was not disturbed by anything (IPL, giants like Rohit/Dhawan, clowns like Shastri & <Kohli in terms captaincy>) then he would have achieved that consistency by now...

If at all IPL damaged any individual then it has to be him! Bhaag Veeru Bhaag will be both happy & sad about this because he hates both IPL & Rahul :)) (But IPL gave us Bumrah & others which he may not agree either!)
 
If Rahul doesn't open the innings, I think the possibility of him reaching his best will diminish further... He needs that poetic notion of an innings (wants to see the pitch & the ball from the beginning, understand it & bat accordingly, the wearing of both pitch & ball.) That's what he has achieved as an opener in some matches! If he was not disturbed by anything (IPL, giants like Rohit/Dhawan, clowns like Shastri & <Kohli in terms captaincy>) then he would have achieved that consistency by now...

If at all IPL damaged any individual then it has to be him! Bhaag Veeru Bhaag will be both happy & sad about this because he hates both IPL & Rahul :)) (But IPL gave us Bumrah & others which he may not agree either!)

Sure IPL gave us Bumrah but that doesn't mean Bumrah didn't perform at Ranji.
 
Both are them are quite different batsmen blessed with different capabilities. Babar is mainstay of batting in all three formats of the game for Pakistan and is pretty conventional type of batsman. Babar's case is completely different from that of Rahul, Pak's batting atm is completely dependent on how Babar performs, no one in Pakistani setup comes even close to him. While for Rahul, it's pretty relaxed atmosphere in a way because of India's top 3, who more often than not get the job done esp in the LOIs, where he is slowly settling as lower middle order bastman at #5.

Coming to the comparison point, only format where we can somehow make a case for comparison is in T20Is, both open the innings(although it's unclear where Rahul is gonna bat once both Dhawan and Rohit are back in T20Is) and imo Rahul is ahead of Babar in that format mostly bcz of his power game. But again it's about the roles, Rahul's role is to provide a solid start or rather a quick one and in Babar's case, he has to make sure he stays till the end, it needs to be understood that both have very contrasting roles, if you put Rahul in Babar's place or vice versa, I am sure both are gonna fail or at least not perform at the level they are doing right now.

Coming to ODIs, overall I think it's too early to compare Rahul with Babar, imo Babar wins the battle based on stats but they don't always tell the whole picture. Rahul is yet to cement his place in the ODI setup, that could be because of the standard of the batting India has, he could be easily replaced by anyone else if he puts up a string of low scores. Having said that, he still has got a lot of chances, he's already played 30+ ODIs and hasn't been able to fulfill his potential yet, although it looks like he might be settling at #5 position, so would be interesting to see if he can keep the scores coming. Babar at #3 and Rahul at #5 in ODIs can't be compared at all, it's injustice with either of them.

In Test format, a year back I would have said that both are kinda equal with Rahul slightly ahead because of his overseas performance, but Babar has been a beast in last year or so in Test cricket getting better and better with every ball he faces, another thing that goes in Babar's favour is that he used to usually bat at #5 or #6 in Test up until Aus series, it was only during that tour that he made #4 his permanent position, while in Rahul's case he regularly used to bat in the top order. In Test cricket, i would say Babar is way ahead of Rahul atm and it's gonna take something tremendous from Rahul to match Babar in Tests.

So in short(although I have written a pretty long thesis) I feel both can't be compared and put head to head with each other(esp in LOIs) because of all the reasons I have mentioned.

But if we are to compare both the players across all the formats irrespective of where they bat, how they bat, which team they are playing for, etc, then imo it would go like this:
T20Is - Rahul
ODIs - Babar
Tests - Babar
Overall - Babar
 
If Rahul doesn't open the innings, I think the possibility of him reaching his best will diminish further... He needs that poetic notion of an innings (wants to see the pitch & the ball from the beginning, understand it & bat accordingly, the wearing of both pitch & ball.) That's what he has achieved as an opener in some matches! If he was not disturbed by anything (IPL, giants like Rohit/Dhawan, clowns like Shastri & <Kohli in terms captaincy>) then he would have achieved that consistency by now...

If at all IPL damaged any individual then it has to be him! Bhaag Veeru Bhaag will be both happy & sad about this because he hates both IPL & Rahul :)) (But IPL gave us Bumrah & others which he may not agree either!)

ranji 'made bumrah.
 
ranji 'made bumrah.

Everyone are made from domestic cricket, but that fine-tuning, quick match-up to international quality demands (yorkers, death bowling, variations, etc) he learnt it quickly through IPL... Even Test specialist bowlers like Ishant have revealed that IPL have helped them to build their confidence and learn some tricks!
 
Bumrah came into limelight because of IPL. So was Ashwin. Ashwin didn't exactly domestic circuit ablaze.

Ashwin made Test debut in 2011

His performances around that time in Ranji. Not really earth shattering. No one can deny IPL gives a much better focus. But for IPL Pandya would still be warming benches.

7 matches 17 wickets 41.05 avge
5 matches 24 wickets 24.20 avge
 
Both are them are quite different batsmen blessed with different capabilities. Babar is mainstay of batting in all three formats of the game for Pakistan and is pretty conventional type of batsman. Babar's case is completely different from that of Rahul, Pak's batting atm is completely dependent on how Babar performs, no one in Pakistani setup comes even close to him. While for Rahul, it's pretty relaxed atmosphere in a way because of India's top 3, who more often than not get the job done esp in the LOIs, where he is slowly settling as lower middle order bastman at #5.

Coming to the comparison point, only format where we can somehow make a case for comparison is in T20Is, both open the innings(although it's unclear where Rahul is gonna bat once both Dhawan and Rohit are back in T20Is) and imo Rahul is ahead of Babar in that format mostly bcz of his power game. But again it's about the roles, Rahul's role is to provide a solid start or rather a quick one and in Babar's case, he has to make sure he stays till the end, it needs to be understood that both have very contrasting roles, if you put Rahul in Babar's place or vice versa, I am sure both are gonna fail or at least not perform at the level they are doing right now.

Coming to ODIs, overall I think it's too early to compare Rahul with Babar, imo Babar wins the battle based on stats but they don't always tell the whole picture. Rahul is yet to cement his place in the ODI setup, that could be because of the standard of the batting India has, he could be easily replaced by anyone else if he puts up a string of low scores. Having said that, he still has got a lot of chances, he's already played 30+ ODIs and hasn't been able to fulfill his potential yet, although it looks like he might be settling at #5 position, so would be interesting to see if he can keep the scores coming. Babar at #3 and Rahul at #5 in ODIs can't be compared at all, it's injustice with either of them.

In Test format, a year back I would have said that both are kinda equal with Rahul slightly ahead because of his overseas performance, but Babar has been a beast in last year or so in Test cricket getting better and better with every ball he faces, another thing that goes in Babar's favour is that he used to usually bat at #5 or #6 in Test up until Aus series, it was only during that tour that he made #4 his permanent position, while in Rahul's case he regularly used to bat in the top order. In Test cricket, i would say Babar is way ahead of Rahul atm and it's gonna take something tremendous from Rahul to match Babar in Tests.

So in short(although I have written a pretty long thesis) I feel both can't be compared and put head to head with each other(esp in LOIs) because of all the reasons I have mentioned.

But if we are to compare both the players across all the formats irrespective of where they bat, how they bat, which team they are playing for, etc, then imo it would go like this:
T20Is - Rahul
ODIs - Babar
Tests - Babar
Overall - Babar

The irony of this is that Babar is (and has been) the number 1 T20 batsman. Having Rahul ahead of Babar than throws a bit of a cloud on rankings then. We can all start to ask things like, is Kohli really the number 1 odi bat, is India really the number 1 test nation etc etc, and then this discussion would never stop. Maybe we just take the rankings as a fair reflection of how well players are doing in a format. This thread has too many intangibles such as higher gear, higher cieling, soft runs etc.
 
Babar has too many weakness and at the moment his scoring ability is as good as Shafiq. To score big like Younis or Miandad he really needs to calm and push himself. Today He was out to a nothing ball just like no. 9 batsman.
 
Another great knock by Rahul this time in desperate circumstances when the team was in trouble . The Gap between Rahul and Babar keeps shortening.
 
Babar will be the best batsman in the world and I say that without hesitation. Kl won’t ever be.
 
Now Rahul should activate his beast mode and prove us all why he has more gears in his arsenal than Babar.
 
Another great knock by Rahul this time in desperate circumstances when the team was in trouble . The Gap between Rahul and Babar keeps shortening.

I thought the only advantage he had over Babar was the extra gear? Didn’t even go beyond a sr of 100. Babar atleast speeds it up after setting up such a base
 
Now Rahul should activate his beast mode and prove us all why he has more gears in his arsenal than Babar.

Extra gears are bit overrated babar azam after t20 stint in netwest looks complete different batsmen .His overall strike rate in t20 jump from 118 to 128 which is getting improved with each series

also babar azam has insane strike rate since start of test championship .he has top strike rate amongst all the top players .

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It was a good innings by KL Rahul.
You could sense a little bit of selfishness tough, with just 4 wickets down, he didn't accelerate. In his list 9 overs at the crease just 2 sixes and 0 fours. One of the sixes was the drop catch.
 
I thought the only advantage he had over Babar was the extra gear? Didn’t even go beyond a sr of 100. Babar atleast speeds it up after setting up such a base

babar azam has highest strike rate in odis from 40 to 50 over .i think 140 it is
 
Extra gears are bit overrated babar azam after t20 stint in netwest looks complete different batsmen .His overall strike rate in t20 jump from 118 to 128 which is getting improved with each series

also babar azam has insane strike rate since start of test championship .he has top strike rate amongst all the top players .

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In the long run, he will have to reduce that SR to 55-60 to get big hundreds. It is very difficult to score 150+ and 200+ when you are batting at a SR of 70+.

At times he is over aggressive in Tests and plays too many shots. If he reduces his SR a bit, he will easily average 55+.

Pakistan badly needs a 50+ average and 50+ SR Test batsman after Younis. Babar will be that player and he will be better than Younis because he is already 10x better against pace.

He is not at that level vs. spin yet, but improving against spin for a Pakistani batsman is easier compared to improving against pace and bounce.
 
In the long run, he will have to reduce that SR to 55-60 to get big hundreds. It is very difficult to score 150+ and 200+ when you are batting at a SR of 70+.

At times he is over aggressive in Tests and plays too many shots. If he reduces his SR a bit, he will easily average 55+.

Pakistan badly needs a 50+ average and 50+ SR Test batsman after Younis. Babar will be that player and he will be better than Younis because he is already 10x better against pace.

He is not at that level vs. spin yet, but improving against spin for a Pakistani batsman is easier compared to improving against pace and bounce.

He doesn't over attack to score at a such a SR. He is simply too good and is often finding things too easy. In his last match you could see him trying to be over defensive after his 100 to make sure he doesn't loose his wicket.

At the moment he is a zone where he can do any thing.
 
Rahul has overtaken Babar in shorter formats now with his new found consistency. I think this is what most of us were expecting from him. It's a shame he has lost his touch in Test cricket though.
 
He doesn't over attack to score at a such a SR. He is simply too good and is often finding things too easy. In his last match you could see him trying to be over defensive after his 100 to make sure he doesn't loose his wicket.

At the moment he is a zone where he can do any thing.

He could have scored big in South Africa and also converted his hundred and 97 in Australia into big scores, but he played loose shots after being well set.

He needs to curb his instincts a bit and not look to go for boundaries at every opportunity.
 
Rahul has overtaken Babar in shorter formats now with his new found consistency. I think this is what most of us were expecting from him. It's a shame he has lost his touch in Test cricket though.

It is all about confidence. He will be back in his 2015-2017 mode in Test cricket soon.
 
He could have scored big in South Africa and also converted his hundred and 97 in Australia into big scores, but he played loose shots after being well set.

He needs to curb his instincts a bit and not look to go for boundaries at every opportunity.

You can always do better Agree with this.

But what Babar is doing these days is quite fine. Second best batsman in WTC after Steven Smith so far along with Marnus.
 
Rahul is back in form in odi. Kaptaan nearly ruined his career by making him open. He is perfect in middle order.

If he keeps playing like this he can become as good as babar soon.
 
Rahul is back in form in odi. Kaptaan nearly ruined his career by making him open. He is perfect in middle order.

If he keeps playing like this he can become as good as babar soon.

And kaptaan was the one who kept confidence in him and persisted when intellectual brigade wanted him dropped after few failures..
 
Babar is a high quality batsmen across all formats of the game but I am afraid, in limited overs, KL Rahul seems to be as good as ABDV, who was a spectacular batsmen.

Rahul has everything going with him to not seal this comparison his own as far as limited overs is concerned simply because he has more shots, more range and more gears than Babar.

However, Babar will also go down as a great test bat without any shadow of doubt while Rahul still has some way to go there.

Rahul in LO, Babar overall.
 
Rahul has overtaken Babar in shorter formats now with his new found consistency. I think this is what most of us were expecting from him. It's a shame he has lost his touch in Test cricket though.

Since when and where rahul has over taken babar azam in shorter format ?

Most odi runs in 2019

Babar azam 5th highest 1092 runs at strike rate of 92 with 3 hundred

Kr rahul 35th in the list with 811 runs at strike rate of 81
 
Rahul is back in form in odi. Kaptaan nearly ruined his career by making him open. He is perfect in middle order.

If he keeps playing like this he can become as good as babar soon.

What is his position in domestic cricket? I thought he was an opener in every format.
 
Since when and where rahul has over taken babar azam in shorter format ?

Most odi runs in 2019

Babar azam 5th highest 1092 runs at strike rate of 92 with 3 hundred

Kr rahul 35th in the list with 811 runs at strike rate of 81

not 811 but 572 runs
 
Babar is a high quality batsmen across all formats of the game but I am afraid, in limited overs, KL Rahul seems to be as good as ABDV, who was a spectacular batsmen.

Rahul has everything going with him to not seal this comparison his own as far as limited overs is concerned simply because he has more shots, more range and more gears than Babar.

However, Babar will also go down as a great test bat without any shadow of doubt while Rahul still has some way to go there.

Rahul in LO, Babar overall.

KL as good as ABDV? You sure he is not better than ABDV?

That's not even overrating now. You guys have reached new heights. It's nonsense to defend Babar's case when people think Rahul seems as good as ABDV.
 
Since when and where rahul has over taken babar azam in shorter format ?

Most odi runs in 2019

Babar azam 5th highest 1092 runs at strike rate of 92 with 3 hundred

Kr rahul 35th in the list with 811 runs at strike rate of 81

Different circumstances.

Rahul was completely out of form and short of confidence last year, and was unexpectedly drafted into the playing XI in the middle of the World Cup because of Dhawan’s injury.

He did his job admirably well and provided support to Rohit who was having the best World Cup by any batsman in history.

On the other hand, Babar was in excellent form and totally settled in the lineup.

Rahul has regained his confidence now and has cemented his place in team. Over the next 12-24 months, he will leave Babar behind.
 
Different circumstances.

Rahul was completely out of form and short of confidence last year, and was unexpectedly drafted into the playing XI in the middle of the World Cup because of Dhawan’s injury.

He did his job admirably well and provided support to Rohit who was having the best World Cup by any batsman in history.

On the other hand, Babar was in excellent form and totally settled in the lineup.

Rahul has regained his confidence now and has cemented his place in team. Over the next 12-24 months, he will leave Babar behind.

hearing this nonsense from you since creation of this thread .Would you back track as you always do or will admit your mistake on that particular statement
 
hearing this nonsense from you since creation of this thread .Would you back track as you always do or will admit your mistake on that particular statement

My mistake was when I lose faith in Rahul temporarily. However, l learned my lesson. Never ever back a Pakistani batsman against his Indian counterpart, because the batting standards of both countries are poles apart.
 
My mistake was when I lose faith in Rahul temporarily. However, l learned my lesson. Never ever back a Pakistani batsman against his Indian counterpart, because the batting standards of both countries are poles apart.

But Babar is like an Indian batsman mentality wise.
 
Rahul is much better. He is the best in the bussiness. No pakistani batsman can even come close. He is the next Viv Richards. No doubt whatsoever. He has shown his class in every country. What a player. Soon he will be the best WK in the World as well. He will win India T20 WC later this year. And he will be the captain next 50 overs WC and will make mockery of former captains like Dhoni and Kapil Dev. Babar who?
 
In the same period Rahul was selfishly completing his hundred with singles having 6 wickets in hand, CdG won the match for his team.
 
Clearly both need time to assert themselves to be declared a clear winner. Right now no one has taken world by storm.

Both are already over 25yrs of age debuted long back and they don’t even have 2000 runs in test cricket. In odi Babar is ahead but still not a winner as such. Ultimately the away games and some big game knocks will decide their career...

And they should also guard against competition of likes Labuschagne , decock etc who are serious talent

So be patient and assess in a years time
 
In the same period Rahul was selfishly completing his hundred with singles having 6 wickets in hand, CdG won the match for his team.

Yeah it was selfish, but the king of selfish hundred title is still with Babar, the one he scored against Australia in 2017.

Pakistan were chasing 370, and his 50 came in 75 balls.
 
Yeah it was selfish, but the king of selfish hundred title is still with Babar, the one he scored against Australia in 2017.

Pakistan were chasing 370, and his 50 came in 75 balls.

Don't agree. Babar's hundred was maybe selfish but as you are pointing out nicely yourself his first 50 was even slower.
In that innings he was completely unable to play according to the RRR against bowler of this quality.

Thankfully he has improved and the same will not happen again.

For me, the height of selfish hundreds were :
1. Tendulkar 100th hundred
2. Kohli vs Pakistan in WC 2015, real close competitor to Tendulkar's hundred.
3. Mohammad Hafeez vs NZ can't exactly remember the year, but will give you the link later.
 
Don't agree. Babar's hundred was maybe selfish but as you are pointing out nicely yourself his first 50 was even slower.
In that innings he was completely unable to play according to the RRR against bowler of this quality.

Thankfully he has improved and the same will not happen again.

For me, the height of selfish hundreds were :
1. Tendulkar 100th hundred
2. Kohli vs Pakistan in WC 2015, real close competitor to Tendulkar's hundred.
3. Mohammad Hafeez vs NZ can't exactly remember the year, but will give you the link later.

Woah #2 you have someone scoring a 100 against his arch rival in biggest World Cup match pressure and it’s Selfish !!!
If we visit the archived match threads every Babar hundred is termed selfish LoL
 
Don't agree. Babar's hundred was maybe selfish but as you are pointing out nicely yourself his first 50 was even slower.
In that innings he was completely unable to play according to the RRR against bowler of this quality.

Thankfully he has improved and the same will not happen again.

For me, the height of selfish hundreds were :
1. Tendulkar 100th hundred
2. Kohli vs Pakistan in WC 2015, real close competitor to Tendulkar's hundred.
3. Mohammad Hafeez vs NZ can't exactly remember the year, but will give you the link later.

You are quite generous that you didn’t list 100 centuries by Indian batsmen as your top 100 selfish most innings.

Tendulkar’s 100th century was selfish but justified. He was on the brink of retirement and was stuck on 99 hundreds for a year. Any batsman in his position would have tried to get to the 100th mark.

There isn’t a single batsman in history who wouldn’t show any selfishness when he is on 99 hundreds and is stuck for a year.

Kohli’s World Cup innings against Pakistan was not even 1% as selfish as Babar’s innings against Australia in 2017.

India was batting first and they were aiming to set a total of around 300. He executed his job to perfection and anchored the innings in spite of not being in great touch, and coming into the World Cup on the back of low scores in the ODI tri-series prior to the tournament.

Scoring 50 in 75 balls when you are chasing 370 is the height of selfishness. I agree that it won’t happen again, but that’s not the point.
 
Today I learned something new:

A 50 in 60 balls and a 100 in 119 balls while batting first is not only more selfish than 50 in 75 balls while chasing 370, it is also the second most selfish innings ever.......second only to another Indian innings.

Indophobia is real.

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Today I learned something new:

A 50 in 60 balls and a 100 in 119 balls while batting first is not only more selfish than 50 in 75 balls while chasing 370, it is also the second most selfish innings ever.......second only to another Indian innings.

Indophobia is real.

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Yes, There is a big difference between being unable to score fast and purposely slowing down nearing your hundred.The later is called selfishness.


You are quite generous that you didn’t list 100 centuries by Indian batsmen as your top 100 selfish most innings.

Tendulkar’s 100th century was selfish but justified. He was on the brink of retirement and was stuck on 99 hundreds for a year. Any batsman in his position would have tried to get to the 100th mark.

There isn’t a single batsman in history who wouldn’t show any selfishness when he is on 99 hundreds and is stuck for a year.

Kohli’s World Cup innings against Pakistan was not even 1% as selfish as Babar’s innings against Australia in 2017.

India was batting first and they were aiming to set a total of around 300. He executed his job to perfection and anchored the innings in spite of not being in great touch, and coming into the World Cup on the back of low scores in the ODI tri-series prior to the tournament.

Scoring 50 in 75 balls when you are chasing 370 is the height of selfishness. I agree that it won’t happen again, but that’s not the point.

Excuses for indian players as always. Don't care how many hundreds that does make you can't loose a match for your team on purpose. That's what Tendulkar did.

I didn't named the three more selfish ones, it's just some I had in head right now, I am quite ready to accept if someone shows me others more selfish than these and I am sure there are many. Will be hard to beat that Tendulkar one but still.

Kohli's innings vs Pakistan:
After being on 82 from 94 balls he scored his hundred in 119 balls.
It took him 25 balls to get the next 18. But even that can happen. The problem is that this happened with India only 2 down, looking for acceleration, they even took the Batting power play. And kohli did nothing. From the 35th to the 43rd over just had one boundary and that too without much effort, was a leg side ball from Irfan.

As selfish as you can get.
 
Yes, There is a big difference between being unable to score fast and purposely slowing down nearing your hundred.The later is called selfishness.




Excuses for indian players as always. Don't care how many hundreds that does make you can't loose a match for your team on purpose. That's what Tendulkar did.

I didn't named the three more selfish ones, it's just some I had in head right now, I am quite ready to accept if someone shows me others more selfish than these and I am sure there are many. Will be hard to beat that Tendulkar one but still.

Kohli's innings vs Pakistan:
After being on 82 from 94 balls he scored his hundred in 119 balls.
It took him 25 balls to get the next 18. But even that can happen. The problem is that this happened with India only 2 down, looking for acceleration, they even took the Batting power play. And kohli did nothing. From the 35th to the 43rd over just had one boundary and that too without much effort, was a leg side ball from Irfan.

As selfish as you can get.

There is a difference between scorecards and watching matches. Kohli slowed down not because of selfishness but because it was the power play and Wahab and Irfan bowled very good lengths.

He couldn’t find the gaps to rotate the strike and our bowlers didn’t find give boundary balls.

But yes, he should have taken a risky single and run himself out or gone for a slog and get himself out in order to satisfy you.
 
KL's biggest achievement so far is showing the kind of adaptability not may batsmen have shown in the past ,cant recollect one specialist opener turn into a successful lower order batsmen . I have always rated finishers a lot more than top order batsmen as there are no soft runs on offer when you are batting down the order . its a thankless job , either you are expected to hit big from word go or you come in when your team is in trouble .

KL may not finish with 10K runs , but he can still go down as one of best ever ODI batsmen if he has a good 4-5 years batting @5 and winning matches for India regularly . He never had that chance as a opener , considering the time hes lost already .
 
KL's biggest achievement so far is showing the kind of adaptability not may batsmen have shown in the past ,cant recollect one specialist opener turn into a successful lower order batsmen . I have always rated finishers a lot more than top order batsmen as there are no soft runs on offer when you are batting down the order . its a thankless job , either you are expected to hit big from word go or you come in when your team is in trouble .

KL may not finish with 10K runs , but he can still go down as one of best ever ODI batsmen if he has a good 4-5 years batting @5 and winning matches for India regularly . He never had that chance as a opener , considering the time hes lost already .

If India had Rohit or Dhawan with fit Bumrah & other bowlers in form and better captaincy/coaching, this series should have read at least 2-1 in favor of India. And the batting of Rahul would have got recognized! Like how it got recognized in the last home test series against Australia where bowlers & even captain (makeshift - Rahane)/coach backed him with the surprise/magical selection/debut of Kuldeep in the last match! Current captain/coach often mess up things (lost the chance in South Africa and made a decent side look like amateur in England!) and that reflects on player's individual performance also & get sidelined (Any NZ player may find it difficult to show the consistency of Rahul in this tour when he visits India!)
 
Meanwhile Babar becomes the only batsman in the world to be ranked in the Top 5 in every single format of the game.

It was only a matter of time before he brings his LOI game to the real format.

Babar ahead in Tests and ODIs, Rahul slightly better in T20Is, the WT20 will decide who is better in that format.
 
Babar is a minnow basher, he is behind KL Rahul in ODIs also.

Yes Babar the minnow basher averages 45 against Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and India. While ATG Lokesh Rahul averages 36 against same teams (replace India with Pak). Please educate yourself before barking. I went ahead and found the records for you. Here have a look, maybe you have the requisite brain power to decipher it. I won't hold my breath though. Comparing Babar with Rahul is like comparing an Olympic athlete with a diaper wearing baby.


Babar Azam

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Lokesh Rahul

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Babar is a minnow basher, he is behind KL Rahul in ODIs also.

Rahul averages 36 against Australia, England, NZ, South Africa and Pakistan and has scored 1 out of his 5 hundreds against one of these teams.

Babar the minnow basher averages 45 against Australia, India, England, NZ, and South Africa.
 
Yes Babar the minnow basher averages 45 against Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and India. While ATG Lokesh Rahul averages 36 against same teams (replace India with Pak). Please educate yourself before barking. I went ahead and found the records for you. Here have a look, maybe you have the requisite brain power to decipher it. I won't hold my breath though. Comparing Babar with Rahul is like comparing an Olympic athlete with a diaper wearing baby.


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We basically did the same thing at the same moment.
 
Yes Babar the minnow basher averages 45 against Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and India. While ATG Lokesh Rahul averages 36 against same teams (replace India with Pak). Please educate yourself before barking. I went ahead and found the records for you. Here have a look, maybe you have the requisite brain power to decipher it. I won't hold my breath though. Comparing Babar with Rahul is like comparing an Olympic athlete with a diaper wearing baby.


Babar Azam

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Lokesh Rahul

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Bhai halka haath rakh yaar :yk
 
Yes Babar the minnow basher averages 45 against Australia, England, New Zealand, South Africa and India. While ATG Lokesh Rahul averages 36 against same teams (replace India with Pak). Please educate yourself before barking. I went ahead and found the records for you. Here have a look, maybe you have the requisite brain power to decipher it. I won't hold my breath though. Comparing Babar with Rahul is like comparing an Olympic athlete with a diaper wearing baby.


Babar Azam

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Babar has a strike rate of 85 while Rahul has a Strike Rate of 91. Only a matter of time before Babar is overtaken by Rahul.
 
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Babar is a minnow basher, he is behind KL Rahul in ODIs also.

Babar has a strike rate of 85 while Rahul has a Strike Rate of 91. Only a matter of time before Babar is overtaken by Rahul.

You look confused.

In one post you are saying" rahul is better odi player than babar" and in next you are saying "only a matter of time rahul over take babar:
 
You look confused.

In one post you are saying" rahul is better odi player than babar" and in next you are saying "only a matter of time rahul over take babar:

No, I am confusing everyone out there and enjoying my time.. Anyways just to close off on a good note, as I have said umpteen number of times, you can't compare stats early days in a player's career and make conclusions on that basis.

Shreyas Iyer has an average of 50@Strike Rate 100 which is better than not only KL Rahul but also Babar Azam. However, all this means zilch because these stats don't reveal the actual stature of a player as it's early days and everyone has their own share of ups and downs. Once these guys play 50 tests or 100 ODIs, then only we would be able to make a conclusion on where their career is going forward and what's the expectations from them in their second half of their cricket careers.
 
No, I am confusing everyone out there and enjoying my time.. Anyways just to close off on a good note, as I have said umpteen number of times, you can't compare stats early days in a player's career and make conclusions on that basis.

Shreyas Iyer has an average of 50@Strike Rate 100 which is better than not only KL Rahul but also Babar Azam. However, all this means zilch because these stats don't reveal the actual stature of a player as it's early days and everyone has their own share of ups and downs. Once these guys play 50 tests or 100 ODIs, then only we would be able to make a conclusion on where their career is going forward and what's the expectations from them in their second half of their cricket careers.

You said that Babar is not as good as Rahul if we remove minnow bashing from his record. You were proven wrong. Stats don't lie. Move on.
 
There is a difference between scorecards and watching matches. Kohli slowed down not because of selfishness but because it was the power play and Wahab and Irfan bowled very good lengths.

He couldn’t find the gaps to rotate the strike and our bowlers didn’t find give boundary balls.

But yes, he should have taken a risky single and run himself out or gone for a slog and get himself out in order to satisfy you.

Don't worry, I watch the games. That was a hell of selfish innings. One of the most selfish innings.

But thankfully for him played it, world cup hundreds don't come easily for him. Not that they are as hard as they use to be, but it's that he isn't able to score them.
 
Don't worry, I watch the games. That was a hell of selfish innings. One of the most selfish innings.

But thankfully for him played it, world cup hundreds don't come easily for him. Not that they are as hard as they use to be, but it's that he isn't able to score them.

You seem to criticise an opposition player who scored 100 against Pakistan in WC match but not to criticise your team who lost another WC match to india by close to 100 runs .. talk about irony!
 
You seem to criticise an opposition player who scored 100 against Pakistan in WC match but not to criticise your team who lost another WC match to india by close to 100 runs .. talk about irony!

There is always a context in discussions. Here we were talking about selfish innings so I don't know how I could criticize Pakistan for the loss?
But just in case that makes you happy, India was a lot better than us in the WC15. We played poorly.
 
Man I don't care if KL is Indian, he is so good to watch when batting in full flow. India need to cut the nonsense out and put him as opener in all 3 formats.

Babar is ahead now , but if KL can perform in tests and keep up his LO performances he will surpass him. Still a long way to go. Don't get why people get so defensive about either 1. Why can't you just enjoy both players without comparing them everytime 1 performs and the other doesn't? 1 thing I will always enjoy though is those who wrote KL off having egg on their faces right now. Pant is going to do the same to people in a few years.

But anyway just enjoy both players. I enjoy watching both bat. Genuinely don't care if KL is batting. When he isn't playing against us he's great to watch.
 
KL's fans are trying very hard to support their case. :)

KL is not a bad batsman, he is very good. However, Babar is ahead. He is in different league now. He seems to understand his batting really well and scores heavily for his team. Instead of discrediting Babar's achievements to support your case, just acknowledge the fact and enjoy his batting. Cricket is for us, the spectators. Let us be happy to watch good batting.
 
Forget about kl and babar comparison. We have a new comparison. Rahul and AB. I can just laugh at some people delusion. Kl Rahul is not fit to tie AB son's shoe laces. When exactly has kl shown the 10th gear that everybody is talking about. He never played an aggresive innings bar one ton in t20 in england and florida. Ab on the other hand has done is uncountable times . Kl can never come close to getting a ton in 44 balls let alone 149. Ab Scored 162 of 66 which forget kl joss butler will find extremely hard to match. And dont get me started on KL Rahul's test career.
Its just a matter to time before rahul goes back to his 80sr knocks
 
Man I don't care if KL is Indian, he is so good to watch when batting in full flow. India need to cut the nonsense out and put him as opener in all 3 formats.

Babar is ahead now , but if KL can perform in tests and keep up his LO performances he will surpass him. Still a long way to go. Don't get why people get so defensive about either 1. Why can't you just enjoy both players without comparing them everytime 1 performs and the other doesn't? 1 thing I will always enjoy though is those who wrote KL off having egg on their faces right now. Pant is going to do the same to people in a few years.

But anyway just enjoy both players. I enjoy watching both bat. Genuinely don't care if KL is batting. When he isn't playing against us he's great to watch.
Very smart! You compared them and next sentence you are asking people why they have to always compare them. Bravo!
You not only compared them on what they have done, but you also have told us the future, thanks. And as Babar Azam fans don't know the future it is hard to argue with you, you probably are right.
 
KL Rahul needs to score just 8 more centuries in the next 30 odd matches to be eligible for a comparison with Babar in ODIs. I hope he has it in him :hasan
 
KL Rahul needs to score just 8 more centuries in the next 30 odd matches to be eligible for a comparison with Babar in ODIs. I hope he has it in him :hasan

I don't think it's just depends on him. That means Kohli , Rohit needs to fail consistently in those 30 matches and then KL needs to capitalize on each one of them.

I think we should all be happy if KL can consistently do what he has done in last couple of series. That will be brilliant for him as well as the team.
 
KL is very classy and has become a very dangerous LOI player now but still has to do a bit more in tests to be rated as highly as Babar.
Babar is slightly ahead at the moment in all formats because we also got to consider he doesnt have the cushion of world class batters like rohit dhawan kohli around him so there's greater pressure and less freedom.
 
Kl can never come close to getting a ton in 44 balls let alone 149.
On a flat track against West Indies bowlers? I don't see why not. Rahul has a 14-ball 50 in IPL against an attack of Boult, Shami and Amit Mishra. If India is in a position where he can go hell for leather and he has a good day, no reason he can't come close to it.
 
KL is very classy and has become a very dangerous LOI player now but still has to do a bit more in tests to be rated as highly as Babar.
Babar is slightly ahead at the moment in all formats because we also got to consider he doesnt have the cushion of world class batters like rohit dhawan kohli around him so there's greater pressure and less freedom.

Rahul will prefer such so-called pressure (No World Class batters around him), so that he can play in his favorite spot without a confused mind! KXI Punjab itself gives him that freedom & pleasure, so he will prefer to boss Pakistani Batting lineup any day!
 
Rahul will prefer such so-called pressure (No World Class batters around him), so that he can play in his favorite spot without a confused mind! KXI Punjab itself gives him that freedom & pleasure, so he will prefer to boss Pakistani Batting lineup any day!

I dont like to bring in IPL when discussing matters related to international cricket. T20 leagues around the world are all too commercial only meant to entertain viewers with short boundaries and easiest of pitches.
Leading ur batting line up in 'real' cricket is a completely different challenge
 
Forget about kl and babar comparison. We have a new comparison. Rahul and AB. I can just laugh at some people delusion. Kl Rahul is not fit to tie AB son's shoe laces. When exactly has kl shown the 10th gear that everybody is talking about. He never played an aggresive innings bar one ton in t20 in england and florida. Ab on the other hand has done is uncountable times . Kl can never come close to getting a ton in 44 balls let alone 149. Ab Scored 162 of 66 which forget kl joss butler will find extremely hard to match. And dont get me started on KL Rahul's test career.
Its just a matter to time before rahul goes back to his 80sr knocks

Rahul at this point of his career is near at same level as ABD was around 2009-10 as far as LOs are concerned. Brilliant stroke makers and have the ability to change gears.

Rahul, just like AB, is now playing at similar position of no.5 and in his very last game scored a brilliant hundred when his team was struggling at 60-3 at a 100 SR and also scored a brilliant 80 off 52 balls also against a fantastic Aus attack after the platform was laid by the trio of RS, SD and VK.

He has now owned that no.5 spot and will continue to inflict the damage to the opposition the way ABD used to do. AB was obviously more Innovative and creative in his shots play but we are saying this now that we have already had the privilege of watching him play for 12 years and around 7-8 years of peak(2008-16).
 
I dont like to bring in IPL when discussing matters related to international cricket. T20 leagues around the world are all too commercial only meant to entertain viewers with short boundaries and easiest of pitches.
Leading ur batting line up in 'real' cricket is a completely different challenge

Rahul did lead a batting lineup on his shoulders in a tough test-series on tough pitches successfully when he was under a real-coach and of course he played real-cricket! Unfortunately he is under commercial/unreal Captain & Coach thereafter!
 
Hold your horses, NZ played their B bowling attack through out this series...

bringing in Boult and Furgoson and Henry and it would be totall different

point is that babar never got tht easy series overseas

but not KL'z problem, he has done very well so hats off to him

It would be interesting to see how babar plays in his fav format (LOI) in Pak...

he should be scoring big ... all prayers for him
 
Hold your horses, NZ played their B bowling attack through out this series...

bringing in Boult and Furgoson and Henry and it would be totall different

point is that babar never got tht easy series overseas

but not KL'z problem, he has done very well so hats off to him

It would be interesting to see how babar plays in his fav format (LOI) in Pak...

he should be scoring big ... all prayers for him

He did faced Australia 'A' bowling attack.
 
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