Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

[Rahul1]

Babar does not play at home, his averages would be even higher.

You are clutching at straws here go find another comparison.

Fakhar has already eclipised your Lokesh nobody.

This arrogance is what happens when you get a half decent batsman after years of mediocrity.

 

[Rahul1]

And the sheer irony of some guy named Flat_Track_Bully hyping up the ultimate ftb of this era.

 

[ArsenalFC]

You're a funny guy thinking you know what someone said better than the person themselves.

Virtually nil for you but for me, Babar is in with a very good chance of surpassing Kohli. However, I hope he aims higher in test cricket.



My standards are different for a 100-test veteran compared to a 10-test newbie.

Yes just like how you also predicted Moeen Ali was gonna was win the Ashes for England in Australia some time when he was the worst player in the series. Now don't try to deny this one as well because I remember very well what was said. This pretty much sums up your posting merits.

I understand you're Mr optimistic but even as a Pakistan fan learn to appreciate cricket from other countries regardless if they're Indian or non-Pakistani.

Again more anti-Indian and/or biased Pakistan agenda when you claim that Babar will surpass Kohli even though I'll be happy to be proven wrong. To make such a claim is just nonsense and there is no logical basis for such an unwarranted statement.

 

[Send1983]

Babar does not play at home, his averages would be even higher.

You are clutching at straws here go find another comparison.

Fakhar has already eclipised your Lokesh nobody.

Fakhar? When did he play test ? Hope you know what we are discussing about here. Fakhar is a leg side hack. Pls don’t compare slogger with proper batsman. It only further proves you are a pyjama cricket fan.

 

[Peshwa]

Fakhar? When did he play test ? Hope you know what we are discussing about here. Fakhar is a leg side hack. Pls don’t compare slogger with proper batsman. It only further proves you are a pyjama cricket fan.

Fakhar scored century in ICC final so he is better than every Indian batsman out there

 

[Send1983]

Yes just like how you also predicted Moeen Ali was gonna was win the Ashes for England in Australia some time when he was the worst player in the series. Now don't try to deny this one as well because I remember very well what was said. This pretty much sums up your posting merits.

I understand you're Mr optimistic but even as a Pakistan fan learn to appreciate cricket from other countries regardless if they're Indian or non-Pakistani.

Again more anti-Indian and/or biased Pakistan agenda when you claim that Babar will surpass Kohli even though I'll be happy to be proven wrong. To make such a claim is just nonsense and there is no logical basis for such an unwarranted statement.

You missed out this gem, Amla is a better ODI player than Kohli.

 

[ArsenalFC]

You missed out this gem, Amla is a better ODI player than Kohli.

It doesn't surprise me, bet he denies it now. I wonder if there is any delusion to his bias.

 

[jusarrived]

10 matches, 9 innings, 1 100, 1 50 and 248 runs.

Thats 150 runs in 7 innings.

10 matches , in that 3 he was played in the middle order ..more like designed to fail

 

[Someone]

Well Well i guess Babar is better than KL Rahul in tests now huh ??

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Babar has reached #2 in Odis. Hope Rahul does something and becomes a permanent player in our playing 11.

The series against ENG is the most crucial. If he does well, he can make #4 his own for the world cup. If not, he'll be out of the squad for another year or so.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

I mean...one player is consistently in the top 5 of the world rankings in ODIs and T20s whilst the other hasn't cemented a permanent spot for his team. Do I need to add more to this debate?

 

[Tyler Durden]

I mean...one player is consistently in the top 5 of the world rankings in ODIs and T20s whilst the other hasn't cemented a permanent spot for his team. Do I need to add more to this debate?

That 1 player is a part of such fragile weak batting lineup that he carries his entire team on his shoulders while others are being the passengers and hence he cemented the place, proved his mettle and toped the Rankings.

While the other player hardly gets an opportunity to get in the playing 11 because his Team has way better and powerful World class Top 3 batters who perform consisently and win matches for his Team.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sorry ppers rahul is destined to be an atg.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

That 1 player is a part of such fragile weak batting lineup that he carries his entire team on his shoulders while others are being the passengers and hence he cemented the place, proved his mettle and toped the Rankings.

While the other player hardly gets an opportunity to get in the playing 11 because his Team has way better and powerful World class Top 3 batters who perform consisently and win matches for his Team.

Flip that argument to Indian bowling and you would be committing blasphemy. Just saying.

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar has done well to be consistently ranked in top 5 ODI batsmen.

However, the T20s is such kind of format where the rankings are completely flawed and there is literally no objective measure of taking rankings into consideration.

Some may say, I am saying this because Babar is currently ranked as no.1 T20 batsmen but let's be honest, do you really think there can be any objective measure of ranking T20 players??

In a T20, there is a very high proportion that a player who has scored 20-25 runs just when it matters at a high SR would be more efficient than a usual 60(45) inning. It can go either way but clearly there is no objective measure for that.

In tests and odis, player rankings are flawed as well but still not too far off which is why becoming a no.1 test batsmen takes a great deal.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Flip that argument to Indian bowling and you would be committing blasphemy. Just saying.

Why should I flip the argument? The discussion here is about the Batsmen and for your kind information, #1 ODI Bowler is an Indian, #2 Test Bowler is an Indian.. Let's talk the bowlers when Pak boys surpass these rankings. Blasphemy, my foot!

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Why should I flip the argument? The discussion here is about the Batsmen and for your kind information, #1 ODI Bowler is an Indian, #2 Test Bowler is an Indian.. Let's talk the bowlers when Pak boys surpass these rankings. Blasphemy, my foot!

Like I said. When Indian bowlers go on top they are really top class. When Pakistani batsmen go on top then they are just playing for the side that is just easier to get into. ‘Tum karo to dance, hum karay to mujra’.

 

[Dingolfy]

Like I said. When Indian bowlers go on top they are really top class. When Pakistani batsmen go on top then they are just playing for the side that is just easier to get into. ‘Tum karo to dance, hum karay to mujra’.

Indian bowlers dont let India whitewashed at home against SriLanka and has stamina to hit 140s in Test cricket whereas your trundlers trundle even in cold England.

 

[Square Drive]

And the sheer irony of some guy named Flat_Track_Bully hyping up the ultimate ftb of this era.

Fakhar? FTB?

I knew you were a novice when it came to watching cricket, but I never knew it had only been a matter of days since you started. I was hoping you'd atleast been following for a few months, or atleast since June 18th, 2017.

 

[Rahul1]

Fakhar? FTB?

I knew you were a novice when it came to watching cricket, but I never knew it had only been a matter of days since you started. I was hoping you'd atleast been following for a few months, or atleast since June 18th, 2017.

I was talking about Babar, not Fakhar.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I was talking about Babar, not Fakhar.

An Indian fan should never talk about the term FTB 2

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

An Indian fan should never talk about the term FTB 2

We have the best batsman against swing(rahul dravid) from the subcontinent we can talk about anything we want.
Babar is not even an ftb because he never bullied big teams.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Fakhar? FTB?

I knew you were a novice when it came to watching cricket, but I never knew it had only been a matter of days since you started. I was hoping you'd atleast been following for a few months, or atleast since June 18th, 2017.

So whats the reason ppers were arguing against fakhar's inclusion in eleven against england. Fakhar is surely not a good bat against proper swing bowling. His style of batting doesn't suit proper testing conditions.
He was also not effective in uae.
But with that being said he is the best odi bat from Pakistan and surely a good prospect.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Better this thread is dumped. Rahul won't get much opportunities atleast till 2020. He's himself to blame.

 

[troodon]

Better this thread is dumped. Rahul won't get much opportunities atleast till 2020. He's himself to blame.

Rahul is in the form of his life and Kohli chooses Pandey over him. )

 

[jagatk]

Rahul is in the form of his life and Kohli chooses Pandey over him. )

Kohli, Dhoni and Kohli's ******* have brought back the groupism that Ganguly worked so hard to get rid of. Sad days ahead.

 

[Syed1]

Rahul is in the form of his life and Kohli chooses Pandey over him. )

I doubt Kohli will remain captain if India have an unsuccessful 2019 WC.

 

[Rahul1]

How many T20i hundreds for Babar azam?

 

[Peshwa]

How many T20i hundreds for Babar azam?

Kindly check the Ranking

 

[Ab Fan]

Does Babar have a hundred against England in England in a T20 match?

 

[troodon]

Hopefully this will put an end to Manish Pandey. He can stick to IPL and domestics.

KL Rahul makes Indian batting not just about Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli. Now we have another match winner to back these guys.

 

[Rahul1]

Kindly check the Ranking

Whats in the rankings?

 

[saeed5646]

Good to see indian fans know take meaningless t20i seriously

 

[saeed5646]

Does Babar have a hundred against England in England in a T20 match?

Does kohli(best in the business)have t20 hundred against eng in eng in t20 match?

 

[kuskash]

Good to see indian fans know take meaningless t20i seriously

Bhai, have you seen Pakistanis gloating for winning over depleted ZIM recently?

 

[saeed5646]

Whats in the rankings?

What is in the hundred in meaningless bilaterail t20i

 

[troodon]

Good to see indian fans know take meaningless t20i seriously

Rahul needs to prove himself in ODI's too like Babar did.

To me, talent wise and hitting ability wise, Rahul >>> Babar.

But Babar has been more consistent. Rahul needs to bat this way for another year to overtake Babar.

Rahul has been in and out of the team. Most of the times, he is injured. When given an opportunity, he looked out of form. So the onus is on Rahul to stay fit and continues to score big runs. Until then, Babar is a step above Rahul.

 

[saeed5646]

Bhai, have you seen Pakistanis gloating for winning over depleted ZIM recently?

So if same pakistani jump to river you will you also join him?

 

[saeed5646]

Rahul needs to prove himself in ODI's too like Babar did.

To me, talent wise and hitting ability wise, Rahul >>> Babar.

But Babar has been more consistent. Rahul needs to bat this way for another year to overtake Babar.

Rahul has been in and out of the team. Most of the times, he is injured. When given an opportunity, he looked out of form. So the onus is on Rahul to stay fit and continues to score big runs. Until then, Babar is a step above Rahul.

I know he is specail talent but he needs to improve his record in odis and in oversease test

 

[jadaja]

Rahul would have been best batsman on Pakistan side for last decade that includes Younis Khan, he is that good.Its a pity he is injury prone.

Only recent Pakistan batsman who might be better is Inzi.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Just delete this thread please.

Its soooo unfair on Babar.

KL Rahul is not just a direct competitor of Kohli.

He may very well be the true heir of Tendulkar.

So far so good. Still long way to go.

As someone commented online - KL Rahul is aggressively classy.

 

[saeed5646]

Rahul would have been best batsman on Pakistan side for last decade that includes Younis Khan, he is that good.Its a pity he is injury prone.

Only recent Pakistan batsman who might be better is Inzi.

Hahahhah good one 26 old already lets see he can score 10 thousand test runs

 

[jadaja]

Hahahhah good one 26 old already lets see he can score 10 thousand test runs

Bradman scored just 6996 runs and yet he regarded as the best batsmen ever to play the game.Quantity is not important.There is no Pakistani batsman who is as good as Rahul in last 15 years.

 

[saeed5646]

Bradman scored just 6996 runs and yet he regarded as the best batsmen ever to play the game.Quantity is not important.There is no Pakistani batsman who is as good as Rahul in last 15 years.

Oh what a uturn you said he is better than inzi and younis both of them whom have over 9 thousand runs each so how is newbie like rahul who is unknown to many is better than these two pak greats?
According to your logic he must be better than dravid,)laxman,sehwag right?

 

[jadaja]

Oh what a uturn you said he is better than inzi and younis both of them whom have over 9 thousand runs each so how is newbie like rahul who is unknown to many is better than these two pak greats?
According to your logic he must be better than dravid,)laxman,sehwag right?

I said he is better than Younis not Inzi, read my post. Rahul is better than Dravid and Laxman as a limited over batsmen.

 

[saeed5646]

I said he is better than Younis not Inzi, read my post. Rahul is better than Dravid and Laxman as a limited over batsmen.

You are overrating current batsmen with flat wickets and emergence of t20 so no dravid was one of the best you have in odis at though different era .rahul might have potentail but you should not disrespect old star

 

[Ab Fan]

Does kohli(best in the business)have t20 hundred against eng in eng in t20 match?

Kohli was the player of the series in T20 WC 2014 and 2016. That Eng vs Eng was done just for the fun part.

Anyways, T20s are least relevant format for me and if you ask me, I might still say Babar is ahead currently but anyone who watched Rahul play can clearly visualize the potential and ceiling which Rahul has and at this point of their career when they have played 20 tests and 50 odis(not sure the exact number for both), it is the potential and ability which matters.

A couple of years of initial phase of a player's career doesn't mean anything.

 

[jadaja]

You are overrating current batsmen with flat wickets and emergence of t20 so no dravid was one of the best you have in odis at though different era .rahul might have potentail but you should not disrespect old star

I am not disrespecting anybody. Rahul Dravid would have never made to this Indian odi side nor would Laxman.KL has technique to go with his shot making ability not many batsmen in history of the game have it.

He might not be lighting up any record book but this is a very good batsman.

 

[Dingolfy]

I dont think Babar Azam would ever be able to play an innings like this even if he gets 10 lives in an innings.Having said that, he has earned his ranking with consistent performances and that you have to give it to him.

 

[Ahsanax]

well they both are batsmen of very different style, I don't see the point of this thread. I remember back in 2009 a lot of comparison threads were made on UA they started off with Kohli then it went to Raina and towards the end comparison went with Chandimal.
Every player is different in their own way. But then there are exceptions, i really like the comparison of Kohli, Smith, Roots and Kane especially in tests.
So guys Chill maaro.

 

[Balthazar]

In terms of consistency, this thread is debatable as of now. But in terms of cricketing skills, Babar doesn't have a chance. Like someone said, KL Rahul has the potential to surpass even the great Tendulkar.

 

[OmarKhan99]

In terms of consistency, this thread is debatable as of now. But in terms of cricketing skills, Babar doesn't have a chance. Like someone said, KL Rahul has the potential to surpass even the great Tendulkar.

Talent and potential only takes you so far. Umar Akmal undoubtedly is more talented than Babar, KL Rahul and even Kohli. The shots he played at the initial phase of his career were so audacious and dismissive that all commentators started raving about him. I still remember how an Aussie Commentator once said that Umar is the perfect blend of Javed Miandad and Sachin Tendulkar. That's a an unbelievable remark, but that's how much talent he possessed. Where is he now?

Mental toughness and consistency are the two most important things to factor in when considering a player's potential to succeed. I believe KL Rahul will become a very good player, but Babar will remain ahead.

 

[Suleiman]

As predicted, yet another Indian batsman surpasses a Pakistani one. Some people will be in denial but if you thought triple centuries against minnow WI was enough then you have yourself to blame.

In LOs KL is ahead, even in tests it's a matter of time... You just need to see the 2 bat to know who will go further.

Doesn't mean Babar is bad, he's one of the best Pak has, but let's be real, one is from a professional set-up the other was produced as 1 in 500 after a lot of investment in a horrible set-up.

 

[LastManstanding]

As predicted, yet another Indian batsman surpasses a Pakistani one. Some people will be in denial but if you thought triple centuries against minnow WI was enough then you have yourself to blame.

In LOs KL is ahead, even in tests it's a matter of time... You just need to see the 2 bat to know who will go further.

Doesn't mean Babar is bad, he's one of the best Pak has, but let's be real, one is from a professional set-up the other was produced as 1 in 500 after a lot of investment in a horrible set-up.

May be it's time to open a Babar vs Umar Akmal thread

 

[Dingolfy]

As predicted, yet another Indian batsman surpasses a Pakistani one. Some people will be in denial but if you thought triple centuries against minnow WI was enough then you have yourself to blame.

In LOs KL is ahead, even in tests it's a matter of time... You just need to see the 2 bat to know who will go further.

Doesn't mean Babar is bad, he's one of the best Pak has, but let's be real, one is from a professional set-up the other was produced as 1 in 500 after a lot of investment in a horrible set-up.

I wont say he is ahead of Babar in LOIs till he puts some consistant performances in.

 

[OmarKhan99]

As predicted, yet another Indian batsman surpasses a Pakistani one. Some people will be in denial but if you thought triple centuries against minnow WI was enough then you have yourself to blame.

In LOs KL is ahead, even in tests it's a matter of time... You just need to see the 2 bat to know who will go further.

Doesn't mean Babar is bad, he's one of the best Pak has, but let's be real, one is from a professional set-up the other was produced as 1 in 500 after a lot of investment in a horrible set-up.

Wait... How exactly is KL ahead of Babar in LOIs? Are you basing this on potential or on actual performances?

In regards to people only basing the three consecutive centuries against the Windies to justify why Babar is ahead of KL, I certainly hope you're joking. Babar, who is 3 younger than KL, has scored runs against the best Australian attack possible in Australia. He scored an 80 odd and a hundred against Starc and co. when all sorts of wickets were falling around him. scored runs in New Zealand in his first tour there. He scored in England in the Champions trophy, and was instrumental in negotiating some historically nervous periods of the game. He was at his imperious best against a pretty decent World XI attack. Made a very classy 90 in New Zealand in brutally swinging conditions. Also got runs in the recently concluded Ireland and England series.

All that at the age of 23, when his body is yet to fill up and he is yet to properly mature into the zenith of his batting abilities. KL is a very good batsmen and even after discounting that he is much older and mature, Babar is still clearly ahead.

 

[BaankeJi]

Wait... How exactly is KL ahead of Babar in LOIs? Are you basing this on potential or on actual performances?

In regards to people only basing the three consecutive centuries against the Windies to justify why Babar is ahead of KL, I certainly hope you're joking. Babar, who is 3 younger than KL, has scored runs against the best Australian attack possible in Australia. He scored an 80 odd and a hundred against Starc and co. when all sorts of wickets were falling around him. scored runs in New Zealand in his first tour there. He scored in England in the Champions trophy, and was instrumental in negotiating some historically nervous periods of the game. He was at his imperious best against a pretty decent World XI attack. Made a very classy 90 in New Zealand in brutally swinging conditions. Also got runs in the recently concluded Ireland and England series.

All that at the age of 23, when his body is yet to fill up and he is yet to properly mature into the zenith of his batting abilities. KL is a very good batsmen and even after discounting that he is much older and mature, Babar is still clearly ahead.

Yeah. Babar is ahead currently. KL has to be more consistent.

 

[Suleiman]

Wait... How exactly is KL ahead of Babar in LOIs? Are you basing this on potential or on actual performances?

In regards to people only basing the three consecutive centuries against the Windies to justify why Babar is ahead of KL, I certainly hope you're joking. Babar, who is 3 younger than KL, has scored runs against the best Australian attack possible in Australia. He scored an 80 odd and a hundred against Starc and co. when all sorts of wickets were falling around him. scored runs in New Zealand in his first tour there. He scored in England in the Champions trophy, and was instrumental in negotiating some historically nervous periods of the game. He was at his imperious best against a pretty decent World XI attack. Made a very classy 90 in New Zealand in brutally swinging conditions. Also got runs in the recently concluded Ireland and England series.

All that at the age of 23, when his body is yet to fill up and he is yet to properly mature into the zenith of his batting abilities. KL is a very good batsmen and even after discounting that he is much older and mature, Babar is still clearly ahead.

Put their careers into context and you'll see in the long haul which one is superior. I'm talking about purely LOIs right now, and as far as that goes Babar's century vs Australia in that ODI series did little to push Pakistan's win, it was Sharjeel who set the tone and took pressure of Babar as soon as Sharjeel left Babar did little to stamp his authority, got out and we lost. That's the main difference between him and Rahul. Rahul actually has a wider array of shots and an extra gear to take the game away, which I don't see with Babar.

Always seems like he is playing second fiddle most of the time and playing a supporting act whenever he does score. For instance you mention the Aussie 100 and CT, and in both he was usually playing a support role. It's not a bad thing obviously, and Pakistan is grateful to have him, but I see Rahul as someone who can take the game away while Babar can't.

Ofc we can go into stats, but I'm a bigger believer in what you see in the field is a truer measure of a player's ability. It's why IMO Younis is behind 1-2 other Pakistani greats regardless of what his spreadsheet says.

 

[Sidilicious]

As predicted, yet another Indian batsman surpasses a Pakistani one. Some people will be in denial but if you thought triple centuries against minnow WI was enough then you have yourself to blame.

In LOs KL is ahead, even in tests it's a matter of time... You just need to see the 2 bat to know who will go further.

Doesn't mean Babar is bad, he's one of the best Pak has, but let's be real, one is from a professional set-up the other was produced as 1 in 500 after a lot of investment in a horrible set-up.

Babar is still the better bat in ODIs still. Tests and T20s, Rahul is the better bat.

Runs and consistency are the only things that matter.

 

[BlackShadow]

This is like comparing Mitchel Starc to Bhuvi Kumar. While Kumar is a very good bowler in his own right, he stands nowhere in comparison when it comes to talent. Same with Babar, a fine batsman, but Rahul is in a different league.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

This is like comparing Mitchel Starc to Bhuvi Kumar. While Kumar is a very good bowler in his own right, he stands nowhere in comparison when it comes to talent. Same with Babar, a fine batsman, but Rahul is in a different league.

Difference is that Babar has a much better and proven record whilst Rahul still has to prove himself.

 

[saeed5646]

This is like comparing Mitchel Starc to Bhuvi Kumar. While Kumar is a very good bowler in his own right, he stands nowhere in comparison when it comes to talent. Same with Babar, a fine batsman, but Rahul is in a different league.

Hahahah it is like comparing virat kohli(babar) with abd(rahul) though abd was more talented but kohli scores when abd choke in pressure situation or worldcup

 

[BlackShadow]

Difference is that Babar has a much better and proven record whilst Rahul still has to prove himself, .

Babar's proven record isn't as impressive when you consider the opponents he scores heavily against. Just like Rahul, he still has a lot to prove, specially in Tests.

 

[Mamoon]

As I have said since the beginning, Babar is a great talent and the most complete batsman Pakistan has produced since MoYo, but if KL Rahul fulfills his potential, Babar will not get near him.

He can do everything Babar can, but he has an extra gear that Babar does not possess.

Comfortably the best batsman to emerge from Asia since Kohli.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Rahul is ahead at the moment in T20Is.He’s more dynamic than Babar.But he’s also 3 years older.

Babar has a lot of potential.Probably best Pakkstan batsman in LOIs since MoYo.

Both Babar and Rahul have a lot to prove in tests though.Babar was decent against England until his innings unfortunately got cut short.

 

[Oligochaetes]

babar has only 31 ODI runs in 2018 in 5 innings.

But he has 5 ODI in hand against ZImbabwe to pad his stats.

Then we have to wait till December for the next ODI series. Seriously Pakistan is playing very less cricket.

 

[Usman Chadda]

babar has only 31 ODI runs in 2018 in 5 innings.

But he has 5 ODI in hand against ZImbabwe to pad his stats.

Then we have to wait till December for the next ODI series. Seriously Pakistan is playing very less cricket.

Pakistan plays NZ and Australia in Oct/Nov

 

[shariqnoor]

Both Babar and Rahul have an incredible amount of talent. But what separates them is the fact that Rahul has the ability to impose himself on the game. You would not see Rahul batting at a SR of 90 if he has faced more than 70 balls. Whereas Babar would remain within that same comfort level of scoring run a ball for a large part of his innings.

Great batsmen all over the world have this ability to super impose themselves on the game as if they are literally showing off. The biggest one in modern times was Brian Lara. Pakistani batsmen lately do not have this trait at all. Just look at Azhar Ali. He will play at a SR of 42 no matter if he is on 20 or 200 which allows the opposition to remain in the game as the scoreboard doesn't tick along quickly.

Babar is comfortably Pakistan's best batsman that we have unearthed in the past 16-17 years but Babar needs to develop himself into a hitter of a ball when he is set and pummel the opposition into submission. Until and unless he does that, Rahul will always remain a superior batsmen.

 

[Tyler Durden]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - What's your take/prediction on Babar as a Test player? Do you think he would make it big in Test arena? Would you back him up?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] - What's your take/prediction on Babar as a Test player? Do you think he would make it big in Test arena? Would you back him up?

He is good enough to score 20+ tons in Tests. He is a prolific scorer and if he plays 70-80 Tests over the next 10-12 years, he will easily surpass Azhar and Shafiq and get close to Inzamam and MoYo level.

He has the game to excel in Tests, it is only a question of mindset. Number four is the ideal slot for him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I don’t realize why are so many Pakistani posters so defensive on this thread?

If somehow Bhuvi or Bumrah get to the top rank, most Indians still know that Mohammad Amir is at the another level compared to both.

 

[Balthazar]

Talent and potential only takes you so far. Umar Akmal undoubtedly is more talented than Babar, KL Rahul and even Kohli. The shots he played at the initial phase of his career were so audacious and dismissive that all commentators started raving about him. I still remember how an Aussie Commentator once said that Umar is the perfect blend of Javed Miandad and Sachin Tendulkar. That's a an unbelievable remark, but that's how much talent he possessed. Where is he now?

Mental toughness and consistency are the two most important things to factor in when considering a player's potential to succeed. I believe KL Rahul will become a very good player, but Babar will remain ahead.

I don't think he would've come so far without the mental toughness. He was initially branded as a Test player and now he's arguably the best T20 player we have. The way he transformed himself could not be achieved through sheer skills, there's a lot of work and dedication went behind it.

Comparing Umar Akmal with Indian batsmen is kind of funny. There's a whole lot of different kind of expectations from Indian batsmen compared to Pakistani counterparts.

 

[OmarKhan99]

I don't think he would've come so far without the mental toughness. He was initially branded as a Test player and now he's arguably the best T20 player we have. The way he transformed himself could not be achieved through sheer skills, there's a lot of work and dedication went behind it.

Comparing Umar Akmal with Indian batsmen is kind of funny. There's a whole lot of different kind of expectations from Indian batsmen compared to Pakistani counterparts.

Yes, I agree to an extent. KL Rahul has established himself much better than Umar Akmal had, but my comment was in reference to your criterion of judgement, which was solely on potential. On raw potential there are many other batsmen that are more gifted and more dynamic than Kohli, Root and Williamson, but who tops the batting charts? Batting isn't just about hitting pretty shots, but also consistency and mental rigidity (ask Imran Nazir or Maxwell).

That exactly is my point. KL Rahul is a great talent and I believe he will become a great player, but with the technical glitches inherent in his batting technique, I don't see him becoming better than Babar. Babar is most likely the best batsmen in the world aged 24 or under, the comparison is unfair on KL Rahul in my opinion.

 

[Balthazar]

Yes, I agree to an extent. KL Rahul has established himself much better than Umar Akmal had, but my comment was in reference to your criterion of judgement, which was solely on potential. On raw potential there are many other batsmen that are more gifted and more dynamic than Kohli, Root and Williamson, but who tops the batting charts? Batting isn't just about hitting pretty shots, but also consistency and mental rigidity (ask Imran Nazir or Maxwell).

That exactly is my point. KL Rahul is a great talent and I believe he will become a great player, but with the technical glitches inherent in his batting technique, I don't see him becoming better than Babar. Babar is most likely the best batsmen in the world aged 24 or under, the comparison is unfair on KL Rahul in my opinion.

I said he is our best T20 player above the likes of Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan, Dhoni, so irrespective of rankings where India hardly plays in this format, he should be above Babar. In Test cricket, Rahul has already achieved much more, and not too long ago he was ranked 8th in the ICC rankings. So I don't know what you are on about.

 

[OmarKhan99]

I said he is our best T20 player above the likes of Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan, Dhoni, so irrespective of rankings where India hardly plays in this format, he should be above Babar. In Test cricket, Rahul has already achieved much more, and not too long ago he was ranked 8th in the ICC rankings. So I don't know what you are on about.

What in the world are you on about? You seriously lack basic comprehension skills.

Just because you "say" something doesn't make it true. You have to quote some meaningful performances or an actual innings under pressure or in a world tournament to merit him being better than currently the best young talent in the world. I would assume you know the fundamentals of how to construct a concrete argument.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Numbers are with Babar. Rahul is an X factor for India. He can singlehandedly take the game away from the opposition. Management under Ravi/Kohli just made a mess of his career by giving chances to inferior performers like Manish Pandey. Not too late for him to come back and prove everyone why he is rated so highly. Once he fully realizes his potential he will be pulling away from the likes of Kohli. He has to be a bit selfish to be more consistent.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I said he is our best T20 player above the likes of Kohli, Sharma, Dhawan, Dhoni, so irrespective of rankings where India hardly plays in this format, he should be above Babar. In Test cricket, Rahul has already achieved much more, and not too long ago he was ranked 8th in the ICC rankings. So I don't know what you are on about.

So he is already above Kohli in T20's after 2-3 innings?

 

[anoop]

Hahahah it is like comparing virat kohli(babar) with abd(rahul) though abd was more talented but kohli scores when abd choke in pressure situation or worldcup

Wrong comparision. KL Rahul played one of great innings against australia when on other side entire batting collapsed. He scored nearly 50% of entire team runs so not a choker

 

[anoop]

What in the world are you on about? You seriously lack basic comprehension skills.

Just because you "say" something doesn't make it true. You have to quote some meaningful performances or an actual innings under pressure or in a world tournament to merit him being better than currently the best young talent in the world. I would assume you know the fundamentals of how to construct a concrete argument.

What was Babar's performance in World tournament like CT 2017. He couldnt score even a half century and has he played anything like what rahul did against australia where he scored 50% of runs for entire team in 1st innings .

 

[Dingolfy]

Yes, I agree to an extent. KL Rahul has established himself much better than Umar Akmal had, but my comment was in reference to your criterion of judgement, which was solely on potential. On raw potential there are many other batsmen that are more gifted and more dynamic than Kohli, Root and Williamson, but who tops the batting charts? Batting isn't just about hitting pretty shots, but also consistency and mental rigidity (ask Imran Nazir or Maxwell).

That exactly is my point. KL Rahul is a great talent and I believe he will become a great player, but with the technical glitches inherent in his batting technique, I don't see him becoming better than Babar. Babar is most likely the best batsmen in the world aged 24 or under, the comparison is unfair on KL Rahul in my opinion.

Technical glitches with regards to Babar who is an utter failure in Tests which is the toughest format for a batman?