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Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

Umm Rahul is 26 and more experienced at the domestic level while Babar is 23 and shouldn't be compared to him. Just because they are Indian and Pakistani doesn't mean they are to be compared.

Babar in 3 years will be better than what KL is now.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Wait... How exactly is KL ahead of Babar in LOIs? Are you basing this on potential or on actual performances?

In regards to people only basing the three consecutive centuries against the Windies to justify why Babar is ahead of KL, I certainly hope you're joking. Babar, who is 3 younger than KL, has scored runs against the best Australian attack possible in Australia. He scored an 80 odd and a hundred against Starc and co. when all sorts of wickets were falling around him. scored runs in New Zealand in his first tour there. He scored in England in the Champions trophy, and was instrumental in negotiating some historically nervous periods of the game. He was at his imperious best against a pretty decent World XI attack. Made a very classy 90 in New Zealand in brutally swinging conditions. Also got runs in the recently concluded Ireland and England series.

All that at the age of 23, when his body is yet to fill up and he is yet to properly mature into the zenith of his batting abilities. KL is a very good batsmen and even after discounting that he is much older and mature, Babar is still clearly ahead.
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Babar will be 24 this year and hence not 'much' younger than 26 year old Rahul.Also this is cricket ,not Football.Hussy became a beast after his 30's.So both Rahul and Babar has lot of years ahead of him.
And plenty of batting superstars especially in LOI had already had their brilliant scores by the time they hit 24.Kohli massacred the then -hot Malinga and chased 320 odd in just 36 overs when he was 23.His 183 vs Pakistan was also when he was 23.I dont think Babar has any innings like that against a non-minmow yet.
 
Rayyman said:
Umm Rahul is 26 and more experienced at the domestic level while Babar is 23 and shouldn't be compared to him. Just because they are Indian and Pakistani doesn't mean they are to be compared.

Babar in 3 years will be better than what KL is now.
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He wil be 24 this year and doesnt have skills to beat Rahul at any format.
 
Rayyman said:
Umm Rahul is 26 and more experienced at the domestic level while Babar is 23 and shouldn't be compared to him. Just because they are Indian and Pakistani doesn't mean they are to be compared.

Babar in 3 years will be better than what KL is now.
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if you are comparing age, in tests, Rahul scored a 100 in Australia on his first tour when he was 22. Babar on his first tour to Aus when he was 22 scored a highest of 30 in 6 innings.
 
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anoop said:
What was Babar's performance in World tournament like CT 2017
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The runs he got against South Africa, England and India were all at a time when Pakistan is historically known to falter and lose its momentum. He remained not out in two of them (31* and 38*) and was out for 40-odd in the Final. The way he negotiated the pressure was quite instrumental considering it was his first. For comparison, how did Kohli fare in his inaugural ICC tournament, even after being cushioned in a line up of various great players? If you had actually watched the matches you would know what I was talking about.

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He couldnt score even a half century and has he played anything like what rahul did against australia where he scored 50% of runs for entire team in 1st innings.
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Not exactly 50%, but he has done bulk of the scoring of Pakistan's totals numerous times. Most notably:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...an-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2016
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ka-2nd-ODI-sl-in-uae-and-pak-2017-18-2017-18/
 
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Dingolfy said:
Babar will be 24 this year and hence not 'much' younger than 26 year old Rahul.Also this is cricket ,not Football.Hussy became a beast after his 30's.So both Rahul and Babar has lot of years ahead of him.
And plenty of batting superstars especially in LOI had already had their brilliant scores by the time they hit 24.Kohli massacred the then -hot Malinga and chased 320 odd in just 36 overs when he was 23.His 183 vs Pakistan was also when he was 23.I dont think Babar has any innings like that against a non-minmow yet.
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Well, Pakistan doesn't get to chase very huge totals very often. Probably only 4 or 5 scores above 300 since Babar has settled into the ODI side. In regards to Kohli making that hundred against Sri Lanka, if I remember correctly, he had already played more than 70 or 80 matches, before he played that innings. Quality innings nonetheless. I keep repeating myself, but Babar had already played two quality innings at the age of 22 (30 odd ODIs) in Australia against a fully loaded Australian attack with all bowlers in form, back in the 2017 series. Pakistan plays much less ODIs than India, and much less Internationals in general. For example, since Babar turned 23, he has only played 6 or 7 ODI matches.

And about your comment on the late bloomers, look, I am not saying that KL can certainly not be better than Babar. Only Allah (S.W.T) knows that. What I am saying is that the comparison of both of the player's power dynamics is a faulty one, since one has a matured and built up body, while the other is yet to mature.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Well, Pakistan doesn't get to chase very huge totals very often. Probably only 4 or 5 scores above 300 since Babar has settled into the ODI side. In regards to Kohli making that hundred against Sri Lanka, if I remember correctly, he had already played more than 70 or 80 matches, before he played that innings. Quality innings nonetheless. I keep repeating myself, but Babar had already played two quality innings at the age of 22 (30 odd ODIs) in Australia against a fully loaded Australian attack with all bowlers in form, back in the 2017 series. Pakistan plays much less ODIs than India, and much less Internationals in general. For example, since Babar turned 23, he has only played 6 or 7 ODI matches.

And about your comment on the late bloomers, look, I am not saying that KL can certainly not be better than Babar. Only Allah (S.W.T) knows that. What I am saying is that the comparison of both of the player's power dynamics is a faulty one, since one has a matured and built up body, while the other is yet to mature.
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If you are talking about that 100 on a patta in Australia, then I am sorry to say that is one of the most selfish innings ever with some Tendulkar played late in his career.It was a super patta and Sharjeel was already going berserk.Still he tuk-tuked along with him and couldnt finish the game after getting set.
 
Dingolfy said:
If you are talking about that 100 on a patta in Australia, then I am sorry to say that is one of the most selfish innings ever with some Tendulkar played late in his career.It was a super patta and Sharjeel was already going berserk.Still he tuk-tuked along with him and couldnt finish the game after getting set.
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The hypocrisy inherent in your arguments is appalling.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
The hypocrisy inherent in your arguments is appalling.
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Where exactly? His strike rate when poor Sharjeel got out was in 70s on a super patta while chasing a 360 odd total.That innings slowed down entire momentum of Pakistan's chase.
 
Dingolfy said:
Where exactly? His strike rate when poor Sharjeel got out was in 70s on a super patta while chasing a 360 odd total.That innings slowed down entire momentum of Pakistan's chase.
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Just by noticing the expectations you hold of a 22 year old (30 odd games) playing against genuine quicks in Australia, illustrates how high you hold him in standards. Glad to hear that.

But no, his innings was not selfish as some claim. Played the anchor role. Anybody with sound cricket knowledge is aware that you don't need go all guns blazing from both sides of the pitch. Ideally, one plays the anchor role, while the other throws the kitchen sink. Just like what Rohit and Kohli did yesterday when KL Rahul went berserk.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
The runs he got against South Africa, England and India were all at a time when Pakistan is historically known to falter and lose its momentum. He remained not out in two of them (31* and 38*) and was out for 40-odd in the Final. The way he negotiated the pressure was quite instrumental considering it was his first. For comparison, how did Kohli fare in his inaugural ICC tournament, even after being cushioned in a line up of various great players? If you had actually watched the matches you would know what I was talking about.



Not exactly 50%, but he has done bulk of the scoring of Pakistan's totals numerous times. Most notably:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...an-2nd-test-pakistan-tour-of-new-zealand-2016
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ka-2nd-ODI-sl-in-uae-and-pak-2017-18-2017-18/
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Kohli did quiet well in his inaugral ICC tournament(2009-10). He played two matches & averaged 95. In his first WC he made a century, half century and 35 in finals.In 2013 champions trophy final he was highest scorer from his team. I think you need to watch matches because kohli's best came when others were struggling.
 
anoop said:
Kohli did quiet well in his inaugral ICC tournament(2009-10). He played two matches & averaged 95. In his first WC he made a century, half century and 35 in finals.In 2013 champions trophy final he was highest scorer from his team. I think you need to watch matches because kohli's best came when others were struggling.
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Averaged or scored 95 runs? Bro, kindly stop distorting. His first official ICC tournament was ICC Champions trophy 2009 where he got out against Pakistan at 16 and scored a 79 against a West Indies Bowling line up that had Darren Sammy as the their first change bowler.

Since he only played two matches in the tournament, let's just say that 2011 WC was his true introduction to tournament cricket. He scored 8 against England, 34 against Ireland, 12 against Netherlands, 1 against South Africa, 24 against Australia, and 9 against Pakistan. The 50 he scored was against West Indies (with Ravi Rampaul leading the attack) and a hundred against Bangladesh. The only meaningful contribution of Kohli in the high profile matches was the 35 against Sri Lanka (in the final) in a tricky situation.

Look, I don't want to be too harsh on Kohli since his position constantly oscillated throughout the entirety of the tournament, but your distortion of facts forced me to. Even if you discount the fact that the WC 2011 was held at his home (while CT17 was in England), it was not a very successful campaign by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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OmarKhan99 said:
Just by noticing the expectations you hold of a 22 year old (30 odd games) playing against genuine quicks in Australia, illustrates how high you hold him in standards. Glad to hear that.

But no, his innings was not selfish as some claim. Played the anchor role. Anybody with sound cricket knowledge is aware that you don't need go all guns blazing from both sides of the pitch. Ideally, one plays the anchor role, while the other throws the kitchen sink. Just like what Rohit and Kohli did yesterday when KL Rahul went berserk.
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First of all, we are comparing Babar against somebody like KL Rahul and you have to be good enough to be better than him.No excuses of '30 odd games' will cut it .Yuvraj Singh was only 18 years old when he smoked the legendary Australian lineup including Mcgrath in his first champions trophy.So either you have it or not.
And what Babar played would have been a good anchor innings in the 90's while chasing 260, not in 2017 while chasing 360 odd on a patta.Man, the run rate was under 6 till the 33rd over when he was in 80s which is criminal while chasing 360 on a road.And good that you mentioned Rohit.He gets lot of heat from Indian fans for his initial tuk-tuk which kills the momentum but then once set he can murder the bowlers unlike Babar.
 
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OmarKhan99 said:
Averaged or scored 95 runs? Bro, kindly stop distorting. His first official ICC tournament was ICC Champions trophy 2009 where he got out against Pakistan at 16 and scored a 79 against a West Indies Bowling line up that had Darren Sammy as the their first change bowler.

Since he only played two matches in the tournament, let's just say that 2011 WC was his true introduction to tournament cricket. He scored 8 against England, 34 against Ireland, 12 against Netherlands, 1 against South Africa, 24 against Australia, and 9 against Pakistan. The 50 he scored was against West Indies (with Ravi Rampaul leading the attack) and a hundred against Bangladesh. The only meaningful contribution of Kohli in the high profile matches was the 35 against Sri Lanka (in the final) in a tricky situation.

Look, I don't want to be too harsh on Kohli since his position constantly oscillated throughout the entirety of the tournament, but your distortion of facts forced me to. Even if you discount the fact that the WC 2011 was held at his home (while CT17 was in England), it was not a very successful campaign by any stretch of the imagination.
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Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Darren Sammy's bowling average - 35 in tests, 47 in ODIs. You're talking as if Darren Sammy was Curtly Ambrose.

Even if you discount the fact that the WC 2011 was held at his home
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2011 World cup was the first time a team had won the final in its home country. So winning the world cup at home is not as common as you might imagine. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
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Rahul1 said:
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Darren Sammy's bowling average - 35 in tests, 47 in ODIs. You're talking as if Darren Sammy was Curtly Ambrose.



2011 World cup was the first time a team had won the final in its home country. So winning the world cup at home is not as common as you might imagine. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Sorry to say, your answer seems to suggest you have just read over the post too quickly without giving it any actual thought. I'll assume the positive. Kindly, read that sentence again. You'll find that I was saying exactly the opposite of you what you took it to be.

Yes, I am quite aware of that peculiar anomaly. But again, that wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about a collective team effort, but rather the input of a single individual to his team's cause in one of his first ICC tournaments. He was playing at his home and no matter the situation or circumstance, a player playing at home will always have the advantage. Just look at all of the recently concluded tournaments, and you'll see what I mean. But if you read again, I clearly said that home advantage was never the crux of the argument. Carry on bursting that imaginary bubble.
 
Dingolfy said:
First of all, we are comparing Babar against somebody like KL Rahul and you have to be good enough to be better than him.No excuses of '30 odd games' will cut it .Yuvraj Singh was only 18 years old when he smoked the legendary Australian lineup including Mcgrath in his first champions trophy.So either you have it or not.
And what Babar played would have been a good anchor innings in the 90's while chasing 260, not in 2017 while chasing 360 odd on a patta.Man, the run rate was under 6 till the 33rd over when he was in 80s which is criminal while chasing 360 on a road.And good that you mentioned Rohit.He gets lot of heat from Indian fans for his initial tuk-tuk which kills the momentum but then once set he can murder the bowlers unlike Babar.
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Bro, you constantly miss the point I make and steer the direction of the argument to something not remotely related. Well, my point about Babar getting those runs was in response to your comment on Kohli getting runs on a "patta" wicket in Australia against a Sri Lankan line up (which only had a good bowler in Malinga) at 23. My point was that Babar, less experienced and younger than Kohli was at that stage, made a century against a much superior bowling line up and also had the extra pressure of handling the crippling wickets on the other side.

In response to your comment about "you have to be good enough to be better than him." What in the world does that even mean? I mean, Babar has performed everywhere he has been all across the globe and is clearly the best young talent at the moment, and you're saying that I am giving excuses. Newsflash! In case you haven't noticed, KL Rahul is the one who is short on performances compared to Babar. He's the one who's fans are banking on potential and making "excuses" that he hasn't supported and has been hard done by the management. I am not making excuses by saying that Babar has already produced many more quality innings at relatively young age and less experience as justification to why I think Babar is ahead of Rahul. Seriously, it's not that hard to understand.

What I really find funny is that Kl Rahul - The Next Big Thing for India, is constantly being compared to player much younger than him and less experienced. Effectively portrays the quality Babar is.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Bro, you constantly miss the point I make and steer the direction of the argument to something not remotely related. Well, my point about Babar getting those runs was in response to your comment on Kohli getting runs on a "patta" wicket in Australia against a Sri Lankan line up (which only had a good bowler in Malinga) at 23. My point was that Babar, less experienced and younger than Kohli was at that stage, made a century against a much superior bowling line up and also had the extra pressure of handling the crippling wickets on the other side.

In response to your comment about "you have to be good enough to be better than him." What in the world does that even mean? I mean, Babar has performed everywhere he has been all across the globe and is clearly the best young talent at the moment, and you're saying that I am giving excuses. Newsflash! In case you haven't noticed, KL Rahul is the one who is short on performances compared to Babar. He's the one who's fans are banking on potential and making "excuses" that he hasn't supported and has been hard done by the management. I am not making excuses by saying that Babar has already produced many more quality innings at relatively young age and less experience as justification to why I think Babar is ahead of Rahul. Seriously, it's not that hard to understand.

What I really find funny is that Kl Rahul - The Next Big Thing for India, is constantly being compared to player much younger than him and less experienced. Effectively portrays the quality Babar is.
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Dude, tuk-tuking on a patta while chasing 360 when every other guy in going at run-a-ball is sheer incompetence, not any level of performance.Kohli smoked Malinga 20 runs in one goddamn over and that changed his perception and the game.And he chased down 320 is just 36 overs.If you say Babar's tuk-tuk which caused his team to lose is better than that then I dont have nothing to say anymore.
 
Rahul1 said:
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Darren Sammy's bowling average - 35 in tests, 47 in ODIs. You're talking as if Darren Sammy was Curtly Ambrose.



2011 World cup was the first time a team had won the final in its home country. So winning the world cup at home is not as common as you might imagine. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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and there is always a 2nd time, no?... :smith
 
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Dude, tuk-tuking on a patta while chasing 360 when every other guy in going at run-a-ball is sheer incompetence, not any level of performance.Kohli smoked Malinga 20 runs in one goddamn over and that changed his perception and the game.And he chased down 320 is just 36 overs.If you say Babar's tuk-tuk which caused his team to lose is better than that then I dont have nothing to say anymore.
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Look man, I know it maybe difficult but try to wrap your head around what I'm trying to say. Did I ever say that it was a better innings? I was just alluding to the fact that Babar has also played quite a few quality innings. I don't want to go dirty and cherry pick stuff like you have been constantly doing but I wold like to ask you a few questions in a similar vein to simplify things for you.

At what stage of Kohli's career did he play that innings? Did the wickets around him fall in clumps? Was Kohli also not playing on a Patta? Did he play that innings against a bowling quality similar to that of Starc, Cummins and Hazlewood? How did he fare the last time he faced these bowlers back in India in the test series of 2017? How did he fare against the second string Aussie attack in the last ODI series they played back in Mid 2017 in India? And most importantly, how did he fare in HIS FIRST ODI series against AUSTRALIA IN AUSTRALIA back in 2012? Hint: Didn't go too well. Compare that to Babar's returns. If you apply the same criterion to Kohli as you have for Babar, then Kohli had an utter failure of a series against the Aussies compared to Babar's exploits on their respective first tours to Australia.

Answer those questions, and therein lies the truth. Kohli is a very good player, but you don't have to bring down another player to prove it. Regardless of what opinion you hold and what filters you employ, Babar has played quite a few quality innings all around the world, and those two against the Aussies were among them.
 
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Averaged or scored 95 runs? Bro, kindly stop distorting. His first official ICC tournament was ICC Champions trophy 2009 where he got out against Pakistan at 16 and scored a 79 against a West Indies Bowling line up that had Darren Sammy as the their first change bowler.

Since he only played two matches in the tournament, let's just say that 2011 WC was his true introduction to tournament cricket. He scored 8 against England, 34 against Ireland, 12 against Netherlands, 1 against South Africa, 24 against Australia, and 9 against Pakistan. The 50 he scored was against West Indies (with Ravi Rampaul leading the attack) and a hundred against Bangladesh. The only meaningful contribution of Kohli in the high profile matches was the 35 against Sri Lanka (in the final) in a tricky situation.

Look, I don't want to be too harsh on Kohli since his position constantly oscillated throughout the entirety of the tournament, but your distortion of facts forced me to. Even if you discount the fact that the WC 2011 was held at his home (while CT17 was in England), it was not a very successful campaign by any stretch of the imagination.
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There was no distortion, he did average 95 , he remained not out in one innings.
 
The constant comparisons and whining by fans of Babar and Rahul makes it seem like Babar and Rahul both have private data farms where they spam comments about how one is better than the other. Both players are talented, raw, and have atleast a decade of cricket ahead of them. Ya'll need to chill.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
The constant comparisons and whining by fans of Babar and Rahul makes it seem like Babar and Rahul both have private data farms where they spam comments about how one is better than the other. Both players are talented, raw, and have atleast a decade of cricket ahead of them. Ya'll need to chill.
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And Pandya and Faheem.
 
AssassinatedDevil said:
Both players are talented, raw, and have atleast a decade of cricket ahead of them. Ya'll need to chill.
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No they don't. We need arguments like these to look back on in a few years time and see where both players are in their careers. Always interesting when people reflect on their old comments and wonder what they were thinking or end up doing a complete 360 and say, "X was always better than Y".
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Well, Pakistan doesn't get to chase very huge totals very often. Probably only 4 or 5 scores above 300 since Babar has settled into the ODI side. In regards to Kohli making that hundred against Sri Lanka, if I remember correctly, he had already played more than 70 or 80 matches, before he played that innings. Quality innings nonetheless. I keep repeating myself, but Babar had already played two quality innings at the age of 22 (30 odd ODIs) in Australia against a fully loaded Australian attack with all bowlers in form, back in the 2017 series. Pakistan plays much less ODIs than India, and much less Internationals in general. For example, since Babar turned 23, he has only played 6 or 7 ODI matches.

And about your comment on the late bloomers, look, I am not saying that KL can certainly not be better than Babar. Only Allah (S.W.T) knows that. What I am saying is that the comparison of both of the player's power dynamics is a faulty one, since one has a matured and built up body, while the other is yet to mature.
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KLs power game is not due to his built up body , its more due to his body balance , timing and technique . you either have it or not , some things cant be developed .
 
So Rahul is better than Babar in tests and T20s. That's two formats. Now that Rahul is going to have a fixed position in ODIs too (fingers crossed as we are led by a dumb captain), just a matter of time for Rahul to leave Babar behind in ODIs too.
 
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So Rahul is better than Babar in tests and T20s. That's two formats. Now that Rahul is going to have a fixed position in ODIs too (fingers crossed as we are led by a dumb captain), just a matter of time for Rahul to leave Babar behind in ODIs too.
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based upon what?apart from ranking
 
King Kong said:
Their averages are similar but a big difference in strike rate(155 vs 127), which is the most important factor in T20s. And also Rahul has two hundreds while Babar got none.
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but the thing is one have 49 avg and other have 53 avg so it have a 4 point difference
 
Rahul1 said:
So now rankings don't matter? I kind of expected it.

Anyway, Rahul has wayyy better strike rate and more hundreds than babar.
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your joke about ranking is irrelevant is getting old try some thing new.what about fakhar is he better

than rahul?
 
saeed5646 said:
based upon what?apart from ranking
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Technique & Talent May be ?

Babar may be a good player , but unfortunately for you guys again the comparion is with the wrong Indian player . The gap between the two is going to be bigger than Virat & Akmal
 
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but the thing is one have 49 avg and other have 53 avg so it have a 4 point difference
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Lets take a poll and I would love to see how many people pick a player averaging 53 with a Sr of 127 over a batsmen averaging 49 and striking at 155 .
 
Babar is a better player at the moment in my opinion due to his consistancy and he has age on his side as well as he is just 23. Rahul was unfortunate as he is now 27 and he took bit of time to realize his game. Babar is more consistent which is key to establish oneself in an international team.

Babar is lucky to already have played in almost all difficult overseas conditions of the cricketing world except SA. He scored 100 in Aus in ODIs, he was really good before injury in the recent test series in UK, scored a wonderful 92 in test against NZ in NZ and those were one of the most diffcult conditions I have seen in recent times, was really good in NZ in T20s as well. So he has got more experience than Rahul at this age and has performed decently every where.

Test of Rahul will be this UK tour, he has got the talent and now looks more dynamic as well but his consistency has always been in question.
 
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There is a reason babar is in top 5 of both T20 and ODi rankings, he was no 1 in T20s not too long ago then got injured and is no 2 in ODIs only behind Kohli. Reason is consistency which is key to be a top batsman, look at Kohli, Williamson, Smith.
 
It only took Rahul just one series to oust Babar in T20 rankings. It's not just India, KL Rahul is the best T20 batsman in the world and everyone knows he's a superior bat in Test cricket. That's two out three formats, and in ODIs, he's still work in progress. It's not that hard to guess who is better between these two.
 
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It only took Rahul just one series to oust Babar in T20 rankings. It's not just India, KL Rahul is the best T20 batsman in the world and everyone knows he's a superior bat in Test cricket. That's two out three formats, and in ODIs, he's still work in progress. It's not that hard to guess who is better between these two.
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Not exactly. It was Babar missing the recently concluded T20I Tri Nation series due to injury which lead him dropping to 5. He was at 881 points before the series, if I remember correctly.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
Not exactly. It was Babar missing the recently concluded T20I Tri Nation series due to injury which lead him dropping to 5. He was at 881 points before the series, if I remember correctly.
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If one series can cause such drastic changes in the rankings, then maybe they are not such a reliable factor to begin with. In T20s it's all about the strike rate, so there's just no comparison between these two. Babar plays a role of an accumulator for his team, whereas Rahul is an enforcer. No matter how you look at it, KL Rahul is just a superior bat in this format and there's no no shame in that.
 
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Not exactly. It was Babar missing the recently concluded T20I Tri Nation series due to injury which lead him dropping to 5. He was at 881 points before the series, if I remember correctly.
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Kl rahul is better in t20s, hard and cold facts show that,but kl rahul hasn't achieved 1/10 of what babar achieved in odis.
In tests kl is miles ahead.
 
Titan24 said:
Babar is a better player at the moment in my opinion due to his consistancy and he has age on his side as well as he is just 23. Rahul was unfortunate as he is now 27 and he took bit of time to realize his game. Babar is more consistent which is key to establish oneself in an international team.

Babar is lucky to already have played in almost all difficult overseas conditions of the cricketing world except SA. He scored 100 in Aus in ODIs, he was really good before injury in the recent test series in UK, scored a wonderful 92 in test against NZ in NZ and those were one of the most diffcult conditions I have seen in recent times, was really good in NZ in T20s as well. So he has got more experience than Rahul at this age and has performed decently every where.

Test of Rahul will be this UK tour, he has got the talent and now looks more dynamic as well but his consistency has always been in question.
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1. I see what you did there. KL Rahul is 26 yrs old, not 27 and Babar will be 24 in a few months. So, the difference is about two years and not four as is being portrayed.

2. And after this England series, Rahul will have the experience of playing Test cricket in all major test playing countries except NZ and UAE/Pakistan. So, its not at all true that Babar has played in more testing conditions than Rahul.

3. An inconsistent player wouldn't be holding the world record for most consecutive fifties in Tests and averaging around 50 in T20Is. Yes, he may have struggled to convert fifties into big scores in Tests in the recent past, but that is not the same as being wildly inconsistent.
 
Balthazar said:
If one series can cause such drastic changes in the rankings, then maybe they are not such a reliable factor to begin with. In T20s it's all about the strike rate, so there's just no comparison between these two. Babar plays a role of an accumulator for his team, whereas Rahul is an enforcer. No matter how you look at it, KL Rahul is just a superior bat in this format and there's no no shame in that.
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That's a separate argument. I was pointing out a flaw in your statement regarding KL "outsing" Babar in the rankings. That's just not true.
 
OmarKhan99 said:
That's a separate argument. I was pointing out a flaw in your statement regarding KL "outsing" Babar in the rankings. That's just not true.
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Maybe he was not really a #1 T20 player to begin with like you were previously claiming.
 
Rahul at the moment is nowhere near Babar. Yes his strokeplay is good but thats not enough and havent done anything in ODIs.

He has got 1 50, 1 100 SR of 79 and avg of 36

Babar has 9 50s, 9 100s SR of 85 and fastest to 1000 runs

Its laughable that some people still believe there is a comparison.

It has turned out to be same like Kohli and Akmal comparison but this time its an Indian batsman (Rahul) who has fallen on the other side of race.
 
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Titan24 said:
Rahul at the moment is nowhere near Babar. Yes his strokeplay is good but thats not enough and havent done anything in ODIs.

He has got 1 50, 1 100 SR of 79 and avg of 36

Babar has 9 50s, 9 100s SR of 85 and fastest to 1000 runs

Its laughable that some people still believe there is a comparison.

It has turned out to be same like Kohli and Akmal comparison but this time its an Indian batsman (Rahul) who has fallen on the other side of race.
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In ODIs thats true.

What about Tests and T20s?
 
Sidilicious said:
In ODIs thats true.

What about Tests and T20s?
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You must have watched Babar bat isnt it? Do you think he looks like someone who will fail at the test level? Please be honest. Its only a matter of time that he will catch up in tests. He was looking million dollar in England when he got injured. That was supposed to be his breakthrough series in tests.

In t20s he has a different role that KL Rahul and he averages in 50s at that. Yes KL Rahul has more fire power than Babar there.
 
Madplayer said:
You must have watched Babar bat isnt it? Do you think he looks like someone who will fail at the test level? Please be honest. Its only a matter of time that he will catch up in tests. He was looking million dollar in England when he got injured. That was supposed to be his breakthrough series in tests.

In t20s he has a different role that KL Rahul and he averages in 50s at that. Yes KL Rahul has more fire power than Babar there.
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I couldn't agree more with you. He will be a brilliant test batsman and will end up at least as a Pakistani great, if not an ATG.

But I was commenting more on the poster who implied Rahul is way inferior to Babar in ODIs as Rahul's stats are pretty poor in ODIs. Using the same logic, one could also say the same for Babar in tests.

Rahul has obviously not done anything of note in ODIs, but his achievements in Tests and T20s that comparison with Babar is valid.
 
saeed5646 said:
T20s babar have higher average while rahul have better strike rate so no much difference their.
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The difference of str rate is too big.
While avg is just 3 points less. Everyone will take kl rahul over babar in t20#.
But in odis they are miles apart babar is much better.
 
Titan24 said:
Rahul at the moment is nowhere near Babar. Yes his strokeplay is good but thats not enough and havent done anything in ODIs.

He has got 1 50, 1 100 SR of 79 and avg of 36

Babar has 9 50s, 9 100s SR of 85 and fastest to 1000 runs

Its laughable that some people still believe there is a comparison.

It has turned out to be same like Kohli and Akmal comparison but this time its an Indian batsman (Rahul) who has fallen on the other side of race.
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I follow babar's stats closely and knew he got 7 centuries till now so to confirm i checked and cricinfo and its 7 centuries and 7 half centuries in odis.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
The difference of str rate is too big.
While avg is just 3 points less. Everyone will take kl rahul over babar in t20#.
But in odis they are miles apart babar is much better.
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Not big as you are making out to be if rahul improve his average he will automatically become better so far both are equal in t20s
 
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saeed5646 said:
virat have 136 strike rate while rahul have 155 than rahul is better than virat as strike rate is important

right?
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You have a point.Yes rahul can't be considered as a better t20i player than kohli but this is bcoz kohli has already scored 2000+ runs in t20s and he already has two t20wc man of the tournaments.
Babar and kl rahul can be compared bcoz they have played nearly equal t20i matches.
I f babar had 2 t20 wc man of tournaments under his belt than i would have been the first one to call him better.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
You have a point.Yes rahul can't be considered as a better t20i player than kohli but this is bcoz kohli has already scored 2000+ runs in t20s and he already has two t20wc man of the tournaments.
Babar and kl rahul can be compared bcoz they have played nearly equal t20i matches.
I f babar had 2 t20 wc man of tournaments under his belt than i would have been the first one to call him better.
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no one is comparing babar with kohli i have asked you a simple question what would you take better

average or strike rate and you seems to take strike rate
 
saeed5646 said:
no one is comparing babar with kohli i have asked you a simple question what would you take better

average or strike rate and you seems to take strike rate
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you were comparing kl with kohli and i have fully adressed what i think about that in my post.
if rahul had a avg of 35-40 than babar would have been my pick
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
I dont have any agenda against babar but for me.
49 avg 155 str rate>53 avg 127 str rate.
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Both have totally different role in their respective T20 teams.

Babar has to keep one end safe while other batsmen like Fakhar, Sarfraz, Asif, Malik has to strike.

But in Indian T20 Team, Rahul is a striker.

So in that case, better comparison would be Rahul vs Asif.
 
It is funny the way this thread is bumped after every match of both the players.

Both have played hardly 20 matches in all formats of the game. It doesn't really make sense to compare the two on basis of performance in 20 matches. The way this thread is bumped though, it is as if we are comparing SRT-Lara, Kohli- de Villiers or for that matter Kohli-Smith.

The comparison between Babar and Rahul will make sense once they reach 30.
 
Ab Fan said:
It is funny the way this thread is bumped after every match of both the players.

Both have played hardly 20 matches in all formats of the game. It doesn't really make sense to compare the two on basis of performance in 20 matches. The way this thread is bumped though, it is as if we are comparing SRT-Lara, Kohli- de Villiers or for that matter Kohli-Smith.

The comparison between Babar and Rahul will make sense once they reach 30.
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And for Rahul that age is almost 3 years away and he still isnt regular in Indian side due to his inconsistency. Looks like another Umar Akmal in the making.
 
This thread should be scrapped.

Rahul will not prosper under Kohli. He will never be a part of Indian team in any format until Kohli is removed from Captaincy.
 
troodon said:
This thread should be scrapped.

Rahul will not prosper under Kohli. He will never be a part of Indian team in any format until Kohli is removed from Captaincy.
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The problem is simple... Rahul has to perform like Bradman for at least 1 year. Each innings should be a 50 or better a 100. And some 200s in between (should surpass Rohit as soon as possible!). He should not show any inconsistency till he reaches Rohit's or Dhoni's age! After that he can show any kind of inconsistency, any snail's pace innings, any throwing of wicket, no issues! Because he will then be a senior pro and untouchable commodity in the team! He just doesn't understand that Rahul is failing not because he is throwing his wicket carelessly but is trying to cement his place in the side under immense pressure! Boy he just doesn't understand that there is something called grooming & nurturing a younger player, giving confidence, which will help on the longer run! (Rahul will become an even bigger buddy than Rohit in the future) Look how Saurav helped Dravid by allowing to keep wickets!

Kohli should see the stats of Ganguly, Dravid and even Sachin in the beginning of the career! The then team management understood that they are the upcoming bright talents & stuck with them! Kohli just cannot see this in Rahul and treating him like just another player... He should understand that this is not a lineup comprising of Sachin, Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli, Yuvaraj, Dhoni of 2011 team to not fit Rahul in this! Come on even Kartik, Raina, Jadhav or whoever (even Dhawan and Rohit) are also performing in the same way, being inconsistent... At least Rahul comes up with a special knock here & there which Karthik & co can't even dream of! Also he is young who can be relied upon for future benefit! When will he trust Rahul? After 35 years when everything is dusted?
 
troodon said:
This thread should be scrapped.

Rahul will not prosper under Kohli. He will never be a part of Indian team in any format until Kohli is removed from Captaincy.
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Now some Indian fans are seeing what the great Madplayer saw many many months ago. I was the first one to notice the discrimination of KL under Kohli's regime. When i first said it, everyone jumped on me. Now you know.
 
Madplayer said:
Now some Indian fans are seeing what the great Madplayer saw many many months ago. I was the first one to notice the discrimination of KL under Kohli's regime. When i first said it, everyone jumped on me. Now you know.
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Bravo, Johnny, Bravo.

:afridi
 
Titan24 said:
And for Rahul that age is almost 3 years away and he still isnt regular in Indian side due to his inconsistency. Looks like another Umar Akmal in the making.
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If he becomes Umar Akmal(although unlikely), there exists no comparison really.

But these regular bumping of the thread makes sense once both the players have reached atleast 50 tests or 100 odis.

What is really the point of comparing and bumpig thread every now and then after 20 odis?
 
Titan24 said:
And for Rahul that age is almost 3 years away and he still isnt regular in Indian side due to his inconsistency. Looks like another Umar Akmal in the making.
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Lol.He just became 26.The way you are harping on the age makes me believe Babar is older than his official age.And Umar Akmal didnt have good record in Tests like KL Rahul where Babar is a complete failure.
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol.He just became 26.The way you are harping on the age makes me believe Babar is older than his official age.And Umar Akmal didnt have good record in Tests like KL Rahul where Babar is a complete failure.
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Umar akmal is 26 too :msd:
 
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