Babar Azam versus Lokesh Rahul

[Dingolfy]

Umar akmal is 26 too :

Naa.He is 28.Well, that doesn't bode well for Babar as early disintegration is in his family itself! Tuk-tuked again today at a measly 55 S/R against a Zimbabwe C grade team.May be its the time when that Akmal blood is coming out.

 

[Madplayer]

Naa.He is 28.Well, that doesn't bode well for Babar as early disintegration is in his family itself! Tuk-tuked again today at a measly 55 S/R against a Zimbabwe C grade team.May be its the time when that Akmal blood is coming out.

Well he is 27 i think. So a year older than KL.

And Akmals dont tuk tuk bro. That is the last thing you associate with Akmals. And Umar akmal didnt disintegrate, he was always a brainless flashy player. Babar is nothing like Akmal Khandaan.

 

[enkidu_]

Naa.He is 28.Well, that doesn't bode well for Babar as early disintegration is in his family itself! Tuk-tuked again today at a measly 55 S/R against a Zimbabwe C grade team.May be its the time when that Akmal blood is coming out.

You're right, Babar suxx against Zimbos, that's why Rahul is better because his three HS in ODI's came against them.

 

[Ab Fan]

Rahul isn't going Umar way. He was dropped because with Dhoni's retirement, Karthik's place is pretty much confirmed in ODI team. So, they wanted Karthik to play atleast one ODI in England as the WC is next year.

Raina could have been dropped as well but they wanted to give him one more final chance while for Rahul, he will eventually get back as a permanent spot in ODI cricket at 4.

Only a matter of time before KL Rahul and Jos Buttler will rule the world the way Kohli/AB did a few years ago.

 

[babajee]

KL Rahul is overhyped, not even half as good as Kohli and inconsistent.

 

[Rayyman]

Can somebody post Rahul's ODI record at #4? He is awful at that position.

 

[Ab Fan]

Can somebody post Rahul's ODI record at #4? He is awful at that position.

He has played three odis at no.4... That's a huge sample indeed.He remained not out in one.

I would say, leave him for 50 odis and then you all can bring your stats.

 

[jusarrived]

Both have totally different role in their respective T20 teams.

Babar has to keep one end safe while other batsmen like Fakhar, Sarfraz, Asif, Malik has to strike.

But in Indian T20 Team, Rahul is a striker.

So in that case, better comparison would be Rahul vs Asif.

No such thing these days in LOIs , especially in T20s . May be when you chase totals , batsmen may need to play safe but otherwise its only cos of batsmens limitations they "anchor" .

 

[jusarrived]

KLs career is done . its impossible to play your best cricket knowing you are one failure away from being dropped . I dont think I have ever seen a talent like Rahul being treated like this in India cricket . If I was him I would have taken a flight back to India .

 

[ManFan]

Rahul is a direct threat to Kohli.

Said it before and I’ll say it again.

 

[babajee]

Rahul is a direct threat to Kohli.

Said it before and I’ll say it again.

Rahul is a C grade Kohli clone.

 

[ManFan]

Rahul is a C grade Kohli clone.

No.

He may be inconsistent but that is because he is raw and young. (“Young men love taking risks because they can’t imagine the consequences”.~ Bert Cooper)

Kohli sees for the first time in this decade, someone who can challenge him stroke for stroke.

KL has hit a century in every format already while being the fastest one to do so. He is more dynamic than Kohli and four years younger.

 

[Titan24]

1. I see what you did there. KL Rahul is 26 yrs old, not 27 and Babar will be 24 in a few months. So, the difference is about two years and not four as is being portrayed.

2. And after this England series, Rahul will have the experience of playing Test cricket in all major test playing countries except NZ and UAE/Pakistan. So, its not at all true that Babar has played in more testing conditions than Rahul.

3. An inconsistent player wouldn't be holding the world record for most consecutive fifties in Tests and averaging around 50 in T20Is. Yes, he may have struggled to convert fifties into big scores in Tests in the recent past, but that is not the same as being wildly inconsistent.

As an opener its about making it count, he plays as an opener in tests and really lacks conversion.

My emphasis was not on playing in different conditions but rather performing. This UK tour will define KL Rahul if he plays in tests.

My prediction: He struggles against swing a lot and if there is any thing he is only gonna fail in this series.

I did predict about the mediocrity of Hardik in ODIs and Tests correctly post his 4 wkt haul in T20s

If Rahul is really that good why he doesnt play over mediocres like Raina and Karthik?

 

[Titan24]

Rahul is yet to do to anything substantiall in ODIs. It looks like he has either test match mode or hitting mode pf T20s.

 

[Rahul1]

As an opener its about making it count, he plays as an opener in tests and really lacks conversion.

My emphasis was not on playing in different conditions but rather performing. This UK tour will define KL Rahul if he plays in tests.

My prediction: He struggles against swing a lot and if there is any thing he is only gonna fail in this series.

I did predict about the mediocrity of Hardik in ODIs and Tests correctly post his 4 wkt haul in T20s

If Rahul is really that good why he doesnt play over mediocres like Raina and Karthik?

I didn't know that Rahul is the captain of the Indian team. Thanks for letting me know.

 

[Sam99]

KL Rahul is overhyped, not even half as good as Kohli and inconsistent.

Babar is overhyped too? not even 10% of what kohli is.

 

[babajee]

Babar is overhyped too? not even 10% of what kohli is.

Babar is Kohli without the power game.

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar is Kohli without the power game.

Babar has to learn the art of chasing to be considered in the similar mould as Kohli. No other cricketer from anywhere in the world posses that art.

 

[babajee]

Babar has to learn the art of chasing to be considered in the similar mould as Kohli. No other cricketer from anywhere in the world posses that art.

He knows how to chase.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Babar is Kohli without the power game.

This is a joke.

 

[Ab Fan]

He knows how to chase.

How do you know? He hasn't chased anything in his career now.

 

[babajee]

How do you know? He hasn't chased anything in his career now.

Lacks the power game at the moment.

 

[Ab Fan]

The way I see it, Babar is on his way to become the ODI version of Williamson. However, he needs to score consistently against top attacks at home to become one like KW.

Both are similar players with similar SR. Some might say Babar is young and that's why has lower SR but when you average 50 at a SR of 83 with most of those runs coming against WI and SL, the numbers are there to speak for it.

I see him floating somewhere around an avg of 45 at a SR of 85 once he reaches 100 ODI mark.

 

[Ab Fan]

Lacks the power game at the moment.

That means he is a similar player to Williamson as far as LO is concerned.

 

[babajee]

That means he is a similar player to Williamson as far as LO is concerned.

He will be better than Root.

 

[Ab Fan]

He will be better than Root.

Babar has the potential to be somewhere near Williamson or Root(Root is better of the two) but for that he needs to match the two in terms of consistency and performance in all conditions and against all attacks.

 

[Titan24]

I didn't know that Rahul is the captain of the Indian team. Thanks for letting me know.

A guy named Kohli who is the captain of India has played 211 ODIs and Ravi Shastri who is coach has played 150 ODIs. If they dont think Rahul is good enough to be regular part of ODIs and there is no performance of Rahul in the format to back him up than I think there is no point in fighting over how good Rahul is. He has some strokes but can have become a class batsman, that only time can tell but, there are few things he is lacking in and that is why he doesnt get a consistent run.

He isnt a good starter in ODIs (Which makes wickets fall in tandem and dents the team) and even if he does get a start he throws it away, these are two bad habbits to have and still wishing to be in good books of management is nothing more than self denial.

 

[Pollack]

Anyone who has decent understanding of cricket can vouch for supreme talent of K L Rahul. Now if that translates into numbers is a different matter. At the moment he has been treated very badly by Indian management as if there is a certain agenda against him. Given a long run he is no doubt destined for something special.

 

[Balthazar]

In ODIs sure Babar is better, but in other two formats Rahul is ahead. So it won't be long before KL overtakes Babar in ODIs too.

 

[saeed5646]

In ODIs sure Babar is better, but in other two formats Rahul is ahead. So it won't be long before KL overtakes Babar in ODIs too.

How is rahul better in t20I babar have superior batting average if you are talking about strike rate then rahul is even better kohli in t20I

 

[Balthazar]

How is rahul better in t20I babar have superior batting average if you are talking about strike rate then rahul is even better kohli in t20I

But is average an important factor in T20s? Sure it will tell you how consistent a batsman is, but it doesn't factor in the impact in a win. A batsman with an average of 40 and with a strike rate of over 160 is always a better player than someone who averages 50 with a strike a rate of 130.

 

[saeed5646]

But is average an important factor in T20s? Sure it will tell you how consistent a batsman is, but it doesn't factor in the impact in a win. A batsman with an average of 40 and with a strike rate of over 160 is always a better player than someone who averages 50 with a strike a rate of 130.

Babar have played most of cricket on slow and low pitches of uae his strike rate is 140 + when he have played in pakistan or on flat pitches .

Btw Going by that logic rahul is also better than kohli .?

 

[Balthazar]

Babar have played most of cricket on slow and low pitches of uae his strike rate is 140 + when he have played in pakistan or on flat pitches .

Btw Going by that logic rahul is also better than kohli .?

I've always maintained he's a better T20 player than Kohli, atleast in India's case as we don't have good bowlers and we have to always rely on high scores in order to win.

 

[mak36]

One is ranked #3 in the World.

One can't even consistently make the playing XI.

You decide.

 

[Sidilicious]

One is ranked #3 in the World.

One can't even consistently make the playing XI.

You decide.

What’s their respective rankings in test cricket?

 

[Ab Fan]

How is rahul better in t20I babar have superior batting average if you are talking about strike rate then rahul is even better kohli in t20I

SR matters a lot more in T20s than AVG.

Kohli was averaging 55+ at one point in T20. T20 is a format where you won't be able to maintain an avg of 50 for too long. Both Babar and Rahul avg will drop sooner. This shouldn't even be a debate.

Gayle never avergaed 50 in T20 but he is a GOAT.

 

[Sam99]

SR matters a lot more in T20s than AVG.

Kohli was averaging 55+ at one point in T20. T20 is a format where you won't be able to maintain an avg of 50 for too long. Both Babar and Rahul avg will drop sooner. This shouldn't even be a debate.

Gayle never avergaed 50 in T20 but he is a GOAT.

Manish Pandey averages 43 in t20s lol.

 

[Ab Fan]

Manish Pandey averages 43 in t20s lol.

Gayle has a batting average of 33 in T20. As said, these averages in T20 mean really nothing. It is the impact which matters. Gayle is universally acclaimed as "GOAT" because of the impact he had and that isn't even up for debate.

 

[saeed5646]

SR matters a lot more in T20s than AVG.

Kohli was averaging 55+ at one point in T20. T20 is a format where you won't be able to maintain an avg of 50 for too long. Both Babar and Rahul avg will drop sooner. This shouldn't even be a debate.

Gayle never avergaed 50 in T20 but he is a GOAT.

We are talking about present and i know alot can change in next few years
but if you guys take rahul over kohli in t20s so not much to debate about babar than because babar is no way near kohli let alone the great kr rahul

 

[Rahul1]

We are talking about present and i know alot can change in next few years
but if you guys take rahul over kohli in t20s so not much to debate about babar than because babar is no way near kohli let alone the great kr rahul

Forget about Kohl or KL rahul. Do you think that babar is a better t20 batsman than Hales, Munro and Lewis? All of them have lower average but much higher strike rate than babar.

 

[babajee]

Just a matter of time before Babar gives all you experts a shut up call.

 

[saeed5646]

Forget about Kohl or KL rahul. Do you think that babar is a better t20 batsman than Hales, Munro and Lewis? All of them have lower average but much higher strike rate than babar.

No munro ,lewis and hales are better from both babar and rahul because rahul/babar are very early in there career of t20s and are not big name like munro ,hales

 

[Rahul1]

No munro ,lewis and hales are better from both babar and rahul because rahul/babar are very early in there career of t20s and are not big name like munro ,hales

My point was not about who has played more matches. In an above post you said that babar is better than Rahul because he has higher average. Doesn't that mean that babar is better than Hales and Munro and Lewis since for you average is more important than strike rate?

 

[Rahul1]

What’s their respective rankings in test cricket?

Don't ask difficult questions.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Could Rahul be India's version of fawad alam??

 

[saeed5646]

My point was not about who has played more matches. In an above post you said that babar is better than Rahul because he has higher average. Doesn't that mean that babar is better than Hales and Munro and Lewis since for you average is more important than strike rate?

If rahul do match what hales and munro have done so far in t20 than than babar will not be now way near rahul.

Rahul is very early in his career and can be comparable with babar if he further suceesed than their is no competation.

 

[saeed5646]

Don't ask difficult questions.

What is babar odi and t20 ranking?

 

[Rahul1]

What is babar odi and t20 ranking?

Rahul is ranked higher than babar in 2 formats and it is only a matter of time when Rahul is ahead in all 3 three formats.

Ashwin and Jadeja are ranked higher than babar in test batsman rankings. You should tone down the hype around babar.

 

[saeed5646]

Rahul is ranked higher than babar in 2 formats and it is only a matter of time when Rahul is ahead in all 3 three formats.

Ashwin and Jadeja are ranked higher than babar in test batsman rankings. You should tone down the hype around babar.

Only matter of time babar will improve as a test player and btw his last test inning he was 50+ notout before injury .lets see if rahul continous his great test form of SA or will get out again most of time in single digit.

 

[Sidilicious]

What is babar odi and t20 ranking?

Dont think anyone disagrees that Babar > Rahul in ODIs

Rahul though has done more in similar number of matches in T20. The difference in average is minuscule (53 vs 50 - less than 10%), but there is a stark difference between their SR is significant- 127 vs 155. Nearly 20%

So, now the question is how do they compare in tests?

 

[Dingolfy]

Babar is Kohli without the power game.

Lol.I almost choked on my food reading this.Best joke ever.Even without his power game, kohli hardly tuk-tuks and even Ashwin had better avg in Test cricket than Babar.He is a good accumulator in ODI but too slow for this era.

 

[Dingolfy]

Only matter of time babar will improve as a test player and btw his last test inning he was 50+ notout before injury .lets see if rahul continous his great test form of SA or will get out again most of time in single digit.

Dude, Babar could not score Test runs against Lankan trundlers at your own home whom even Hardik Pandya has a century against.He wont even get into a Ranji team with that kind of Test batting skills let alone better than Rahul.

 

[babajee]

Dude, Babar could not score Test runs against Lankan trundlers at your own home whom even Hardik Pandya has a century against.He wont even get into a Ranji team with that kind of Test batting skills let alone better than Rahul.

Dude, it was the spinners. Dude, give Babar some time in tests.

 

[Titan24]

Anyone who has decent understanding of cricket can vouch for supreme talent of K L Rahul. Now if that translates into numbers is a different matter. At the moment he has been treated very badly by Indian management as if there is a certain agenda against him. Given a long run he is no doubt destined for something special.

Most of the cricketing experts around the globe also vouched for Umar Akmal talent. It cant tell you how how great you will become if it cant translate into performances

 

[Titan24]

So reading some of the comments here its seems like consistency is irrelevant in T20s which is wrong.
Babar is good in T20s because of his consistency

 

[jusarrived]

If rahul do match what hales and munro have done so far in t20 than than babar will not be now way near rahul.

Rahul is very early in his career and can be comparable with babar if he further suceesed than their is no competation.

KL is the only batsmen to score 2 100s chasing in T20s , apart from ranking , his batting average and strike rate ? what else does he have to do ?

 

[jusarrived]

A guy named Kohli who is the captain of India has played 211 ODIs and Ravi Shastri who is coach has played 150 ODIs. If they dont think Rahul is good enough to be regular part of ODIs and there is no performance of Rahul in the format to back him up than I think there is no point in fighting over how good Rahul is. He has some strokes but can have become a class batsman, that only time can tell but, there are few things he is lacking in and that is why he doesnt get a consistent run.

He isnt a good starter in ODIs (Which makes wickets fall in tandem and dents the team) and even if he does get a start he throws it away, these are two bad habbits to have and still wishing to be in good books of management is nothing more than self denial.

He hasnt played enough in ODIs , even the games hes played has been moved around different batting spots . The guy is known to score big in Tests and known to score quickly in shorter formats , I dont see how you can conclude he isnt a good starter in ODIs

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

As of now, both are on par. Babar is very consistent, whereas Rahul is a quality batsmen.

But, both need to take it to the next level, and they won't get a better opportunity than the 2019 WC.

 

[Titan24]

He hasnt played enough in ODIs , even the games hes played has been moved around different batting spots . The guy is known to score big in Tests and known to score quickly in shorter formats , I dont see how you can conclude he isnt a good starter in ODIs

You can see his innings in all the ODIs he has played looks confused about the format that whether to stick around or hit it. You can look at the last 5 ODIs he gave played, looks a pretty nervous starter and that is why he doesnt have many 50s, I guess 1 in 11 ODIs.

 

[Balthazar]

Only matter of time babar will improve as a test player and btw his last test inning he was 50+ notout before injury .lets see if rahul continous his great test form of SA or will get out again most of time in single digit.

Even Ravindra Jadeja has 50+ score in England. Let Babar achieve something substantial over a period of time before you can compare him to a proven performer like Rahul in Test cricket.

How many centuries does Babar have in T20s by the way?

 

[Rahul1]

Even Ravindra Jadeja has 50+ score in England. Let Babar achieve something substantial over a period of time before you can compare him to a proven performer like Rahul in Test cricket.

How many centuries does Babar have in T20s by the way?

A grand total of zero hundreds in tests + t20is for Mr azam.

 

[Dingolfy]

Dude, it was the spinners. Dude, give Babar some time in tests.

The same spinners Hardik Sobers Pandya clobbered at his FIRST test series.He has played enough Tests to show his mettle.If you are comparing him to Kohli, then he needs to show the same performance.You cant have tailender stats and then say I am Kohli minus the power game.

 

[babajee]

The same spinners Hardik Sobers Pandya clobbered at his FIRST test series.He has played enough Tests to show his mettle.If you are comparing him to Kohli, then he needs to show the same performance.You cant have tailender stats and then say I am Kohli minus the power game.

I am talking about limited overs, dude.

 

[saeed5646]

Dude, Babar could not score Test runs against Lankan trundlers at your own home whom even Hardik Pandya has a century against.He wont even get into a Ranji team with that kind of Test batting skills let alone better than Rahul.

And dude what is rahul doing in odis a grand batting average of 32 it is funny to see the next coming of bradman is drop for tested and failure like raina and danish kartik hahahha

 

[saeed5646]

KL is the only batsmen to score 2 100s chasing in T20s , apart from ranking , his batting average and strike rate ? what else does he have to do ?

Rahul have played grand total of 19 t20s and hales have 53 .btw hales was number 1 t20 batsmen for more than one year and his first 20 t20s he was averaging in high 40s which is now 32 so only time will tell where rahul will go when he match hales with number of matches

 

[saeed5646]

A grand total of zero hundreds in tests + t20is for Mr azam.

7 hundred in odis for babar compare to rahul odi+t20i+test 7 hundred so both have same number of international hundreds hehehhe

 

[Usman Chadda]

Band karo ye thread yaar

Babar is better. KL Rahul warms the bench while Raina, Jadhav, Panday, Suresh, Akshay, Siddharth etc play

 

[saeed5646]

Even Ravindra Jadeja has 50+ score in England. Let Babar achieve something substantial over a period of time before you can compare him to a proven performer like Rahul in Test cricket.

How many centuries does Babar have in T20s by the way?

None but have same number of international hundred rahul have across all the format 7 each

 

[Dingolfy]

Band karo ye thread yaar

Babar is better. KL Rahul warms the bench while Raina, Jadhav, Panday, Suresh, Akshay, Siddharth etc play

In ODI, yes.But behind in T20 and tailender in Tests.

 

[Rahul1]

7 hundred in odis for babar compare to rahul odi+t20i+test 7 hundred so both have same number of international hundreds hehehhe

How many against top 5 teams?

 

[Dingolfy]

And dude what is rahul doing in odis a grand batting average of 32 it is funny to see the next coming of bradman is drop for tested and failure like raina and danish kartik hahahha

I never disputed his shortcomings in ODI.My comment was against Babar's performance in Tests which is worse than a Ranji player.

 

[Madplayer]

How many against top 5 teams?

Whats Babar's age and How much experience does he have? Compare it to K L Rahul who should already have been a regular in the team for his age.

 

[Rahul1]

Whats Babar's age and How much experience does he have? Compare it to K L Rahul who should already have been a regular in the team for his age.

So this question of experience only arises when performance against top top teams is concerned. Otherwise when he is bashing West Indies and Sri Lanka threads like "Fastest to xyz runs or abc centuries" "better than Kohli at this age" are created.

 

[enkidu_]

In ODI, yes.But behind in T20 and tailender in Tests.

Both are relatively new to cricket and their samples aren't conclusive on anything, but the "tailender" has hit few 50s in Tests at least, incl. vs NZ/Eng away, but look at Rahul in ODIs if you take out Zimbos (apparently runs against them don't count) :

 

[Balthazar]

7 hundred in odis for babar compare to rahul odi+t20i+test 7 hundred so both have same number of international hundreds hehehhe

That makes him a better ODI player and no one here is disputing that. Rahul is better in other two formats, so that makes him overall a better player. As simple as that.

How does scoring centuries in ODI makes Babar a better Test player? lol

 

[saeed5646]

That makes him a better ODI player and no one here is disputing that. Rahul is better in other two formats, so that makes him overall a better player. As simple as that.

How does scoring centuries in ODI makes Babar a better Test player? lol

You asked about hundreds of babar

Rahul is better so far in test and babar in odis and t20s both are equal

 

[saeed5646]

I never disputed his shortcomings in ODI.My comment was against Babar's performance in Tests which is worse than a Ranji player.

And rahul odi batting is also worse than pakistan national cup which is worse for better than kohli

 

[saeed5646]

How many against top 5 teams?

Rahul 7 international hundred across all the format see the oppostion than attack babar only 2 decent oppostion
3 against w.i .
1against zim
1against aus
1 against SL
1 against eng

 

[Rahul1]

Rahul 7 international hundred across all the format see the oppostion than attack babar only 2 decent oppostion
3 against w.i .
1against zim
1against aus
1 against SL
1 against eng

How about you guys actually answer my question?

 

[The_Odd_One]

Lol.I almost choked on my food reading this.Best joke ever.Even without his power game, kohli hardly tuk-tuks and even Ashwin had better avg in Test cricket than Babar.He is a good accumulator in ODI but too slow for this era.

Babar and tuk tuk? His dot ball consumption is lower than even Kohli. The only thing he's missing is power game.