Babar Azam versus Shai Hope

[Ronaldo7]

This is a very close comparison. Instead of comparing Babar with Kohli, Rahul etc. We should compare him with someone who's following the exact same path as him: Shai hope.
Both are no.3 batsmen. Both are the backbone of their respective teams. Both are very similar in age.
Who do you think is a better batsman??

 

[Solid Snake]

I don't know who'll have the better numbers by the end of their career, but from what little I've seen of Hope, he comes across as mentally a lot tougher and has already played some fantastic match winning innings when the chips are down and the pressure is on.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm afraid Azam by comparison is just marshmallow soft. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a match loser (strike rate issues, slowing down near personal milestones and all that) but he just comes across as someone who will pad his stats against weaker teams, or when conditions are easy etc. I think he'll end his career in the MoYo/ Jaywardene tier of batsmen. Good but not great.

That said, WICB makes the PCB seem like it's run by elite professionals, so it's very much possible that Hope like many young upcoming West Indian cricketers will just go by the wayside. But based on talent and temperament, I think he has a higher ceiling. Just my opinion.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I don't know who'll have the better numbers by the end of their career, but from what little I've seen of Hope, he comes across as mentally a lot tougher and has already played some fantastic match winning innings when the chips are down and the pressure is on.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm afraid Azam by comparison is just marshmallow soft. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a match loser (strike rate issues, slowing down near personal milestones and all that) but he just comes across as someone who will pad his stats against weaker teams, or when conditions are easy etc. I think he'll end his career in the MoYo/ Jaywardene tier of batsmen. Good but not great.

That said, WICB makes the PCB seem like it's run by elite professionals, so it's very much possible that Hope like many young upcoming West Indian crickets just goes by the way side. But based on talent and temperament, I think he has a higher ceiling. Just my opinion.

True. Shai hope has already played a few match winning innings. The famous test win against eng in eng shai hope was a key part. The guy scored hundreds in both innings to win the match for WI. The hundreds against Ind in ind where wi won one and tied one. The match where five was needed off the last ball against ind and shai hope hit a four. In the same match, hope was batting on 130 odd.
Shai hope is A LOT tougher mentally than Babar.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Shai hope looks very good when he plays shots. But his strike rate needs to improve. Agree with the mental part. That is the quintessential aspect. That is why Dhoni despite a flawed technique is doing well under pressure.

 

[Solid Snake]

True. Shai hope has already played a few match winning innings. The famous test win against eng in eng shai hope was a key part. The guy scored hundreds in both innings to win the match for WI. The hundreds against Ind in ind where wi won one and tied one. The match where five was needed off the last ball against ind and shai hope hit a four. In the same match, hope was batting on 130 odd.
Shai hope is A LOT tougher mentally than Babar.

Agree with pretty much everything you've said. I don't particularly follow Windies cricket that much, but I recall all those innings you just listed that Hope played. Such was their impact. I particularly remember the buzz around the second test match against England, and actually tuning into watch because of the way Hope was batting.

Quiet accumulation of runs, setting up games for your country and all that have their place, but playing great innings against the odds is what really sets great batsman apart from others in my opinion. Hoping Babar can elevate himself to that level, but I don't think that champion attitude is something you can develop with experience, it's just something you have or you don't.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

At this point no Need To Compare Babar is Way Ahead of Hope.
Hope Doesn't have any century Against Top 8 teams.Except 1 Against india .
His SR Against Top Teams Is 74 .
In Test His Average Against top Teams Is Less then 25 .and No Hundred Except England On Home Ground.
Hope Has played 8 more tests then Babar So Wait For Babar to Catch Up .He Is Going to Cross 40 (Average) No Doubts
In T20 Hope Is A dud At The Moment.
But Nevertheless Hope Is Solid Player I Always look Forward to Seeing Hope Play And I Only Watch 2 players innings from Windies Hope And Gayle. Sometimes hetmyer .
Hope Has Improved His Strike Game In This Year now He Has Somewhat the Luxury of playing Freely Bcz of Their openers and Lower Middle order
and Same Thing Can Be said about babar He has improved His Strike rate and now plays Run a balll at 100 SR .
His Strike rate in t20s Is 157 in 2019 at An Average of 54 .(4matches)
Babar Is ahead Period .
And Everyone here says Babar Doesn't have passion to become best Batsman Or He Doesn't have temperment.Just Search Malik Interview about Babar Azam.
Some People Just Express their Emotions on field Others dont.
Imam Criticize Media For Criticizing him babar Doesn't he Takes Criticism .

 

[Mujtaba2900]

People's its time To Understand and Acknowledge
Babar Is Only 2nd to Kohli across all formats in Asia .

 

[randomcricketfan]

At this point no Need To Compare Babar is Way Ahead of Hope.
Hope Doesn't have any century Against Top 8 teams.Except 1 Against india .
His SR Against Top Teams Is 74 .
In Test His Average Against top Teams Is Less then 25 .and No Hundred Except England On Home Ground.
Hope Has played 8 more tests then Babar So Wait For Babar to Catch Up .He Is Going to Cross 40 (Average) No Doubts
In T20 Hope Is A dud At The Moment.
But Nevertheless Hope Is Solid Player I Always look Forward to Seeing Hope Play And I Only Watch 2 players innings from Windies Hope And Gayle. Sometimes hetmyer .
Hope Has Improved His Strike Game In This Year now He Has Somewhat the Luxury of playing Freely Bcz of Their openers and Lower Middle order
and Same Thing Can Be said about babar He has improved His Strike rate and now plays Run a balll at 100 SR .
His Strike rate in t20s Is 157 in 2019 at An Average of 54 .(4matches)
Babar Is ahead Period .
And Everyone here says Babar Doesn't have passion to become best Batsman Or He Doesn't have temperment.Just Search Malik Interview about Babar Azam.
Some People Just Express their Emotions on field Others dont.
Imam Criticize Media For Criticizing him babar Doesn't he Takes Criticism .

Out of the 9 odi hundreds by Babar, 8 have been against SL, WI and ZIM.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

His only test century has been on one of the national highways of UAE.

His test batting average is lower than Ashwin and Jadeja.

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Out of the 9 odi hundreds by Babar, 8 have been against SL, WI and ZIM.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

His only test century has been on one of the national highways of UAE.

His test batting average is lower than Ashwin and Jadeja.

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

As compared to hope he is better, btter test average, better strike rate in odis,
Also babar has one century against Australia and one against England.
This world cup will define babar

 

[hur rizvi]

Hope has bit more potential than babar

But we can't complain, Babar is one of the better batters in our ODI history

 

[Hawkeye]

I'll tell you this.

If Babar had a strike rate of 76 in ODIs, PPers would have been asking for his head in every post. Heck, some geniuses still criticize Babar, who is among world's top 4 ODI batsmen today and strike rate close to 90!

And then we have some keyboard warriors here declaring Shai is better than Babar.

Ghar ki murghi daal barabar.


Seriously, can't understand these wrist-slitting keyboard warriors.

Babar is one of the best ODI batsmen in the world, stop comparing with Hope who has a lot to prove still, but he isn't bad either.

 

[Hawkeye]

People's its time To Understand and Acknowledge
Babar Is Only 2nd to Kohli across all formats in Asia .

True.

 

[IAJ]

People's its time To Understand and Acknowledge
Babar Is Only 2nd to Kohli across all formats in Asia .

But Hope is not asian...

 

[Hyperion66]

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

Played some dashing shots against Steyn

 

[Hyperion66]

Out of the 9 odi hundreds by Babar, 8 have been against SL, WI and ZIM.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

His only test century has been on one of the national highways of UAE.

His test batting average is lower than Ashwin and Jadeja.

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

Savage man!!

As I said in the other thread Babar despite being hyped to the Moon is a poor man's MD Yousuf in reality. I really can't recall any match winning effort against top teams. He is a kind of batsmen who bash minnows to oblivion and play safe against good teams to keep the stat intact and hype alive.

Hope is much better already and has a higher ceiling.

 

[randomcricketfan]

Savage man!!

As I said in the other thread Babar despite being hyped to the Moon is a poor man's MD Yousuf in reality. I really can't recall any match winning effort against top teams. He is a kind of batsmen who bash minnows to oblivion and play safe against good teams to keep the stat intact and hype alive.

Hope is much better already and has a higher ceiling.

The only reason Babar is so hyped is because Pakistan got one decent batsman after years of mediocrity. In countries like England or India or Australia or New Zealand he would be forgotten within a year or so.

 

[emranabbas]

savage man!!

As i said in the other thread babar despite being hyped to the moon is a poor man's md yousuf in reality. I really can't recall any match winning effort against top teams. He is a kind of batsmen who bash minnows to oblivion and play safe against good teams to keep the stat intact and hype alive.

Hope is much better already and has a higher ceiling.

this

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Played some dashing shots against Steyn ��

No one is saying Babar Is Goat in test Cricket Or next Steve Smith.
He Was Well Set To Score hundred against England in 1st match But Got hit on Elbow.
He Has Played Only and only 21 Matches .Steve Smith Averged 38 After 21 matches babar averged 36 .
And babar did performed Last year.
He Averaged 50+ last year And Some peoples Are Not ready O acknowledge that he has started to perform.
Shai hope Averged 20 In 2018 Babar averged 56
EVEN if its UAE Even if its Highway 100 is A Hundred .
And it wasn't only Steyn He hit Rabada phillender And Oliviar but people remembered only Steyn
And only Got Out Bcz of uneven Bounce.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Really amazed With average of 20 in 2018 and 22 in 2019 You Still Consider hope as better test player then babar

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Babar's only issue is that he doesn't impose himself on the game.

If he learns to do that, he will leave many players in the dust, including Hope.

He has the ability, but somehow at the back of his mind, he refuses to take risks, unless he has reached certain milestones.

That can be unlearned with some hard tough, love.

People are really downplaying Babar here.

Yes, so far his glimpse of what he can do has been against weaker teams, but that doesn't mean he can't do the same against stronger teams. He just needs time, and most people are unwilling to accord him the time.

I criticize Babar, whenever he plays for a slow century, but it's not because I don't think he is good enough, its because his mindset his wrong.

Mindset can be changed.

Talent cannot.

 

[emranabbas]

I'll tell you this.

If Babar had a strike rate of 76 in ODIs, PPers would have been asking for his head in every post. Heck, some geniuses still criticize Babar, who is among world's top 4 ODI batsmen today and strike rate close to 90!

And then we have some keyboard warriors here declaring Shai is better than Babar.

Ghar ki murghi daal barabar.


Seriously, can't understand these wrist-slitting keyboard warriors.

Babar is one of the best ODI batsmen in the world, stop comparing with Hope who has a lot to prove still, but he isn't bad either.

seriously what drugs do you take???

faf root finch taylor sharma dhoni morgan stokes bairstow all are better than babar
so i dont know where your getting babar the 2nd best after kohli from???

yes babar is the best in pakistan but not the best in the world

 

[Hyperion66]

No one is saying Babar Is Goat in test Cricket Or next Steve Smith.
He Was Well Set To Score hundred against England in 1st match But Got hit on Elbow.
He Has Played Only and only 21 Matches .Steve Smith Averged 38 After 21 matches babar averged 36 .
And babar did performed Last year.
He Averaged 50+ last year And Some peoples Are Not ready O acknowledge that he has started to perform.
Shai hope Averged 20 In 2018 Babar averged 56
EVEN if its UAE Even if its Highway 100 is A Hundred .
And it wasn't only Steyn He hit Rabada phillender And Oliviar but people remembered only Steyn
And only Got Out Bcz of uneven Bounce.

These cut piece stats comparisons are the worst things about cricket forums, with all due respect to your efforts, these stats mean nothing.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

These cut piece stats comparisons are the worst things about cricket forums, with all due respect to your efforts, these stats mean nothing.

I Simply Explained how he stacks up agaist babar.
And even if you disagree its your opinion and With due respect your opinion means nothing to me

 

[Adijazz1706]

An SR of 76 in ODIs against top teams does not a special player make. Dunno why this dude is compared to Babar Azam, even K Rahul is better

 

[AdamM97]

People complaining about Babar not being a match winner should realize that it’s Babar teammates that spoil the match, not him. He gets no support at all. Fakhar is the only batsman who supports Babar whenever they play together, Fakhar cares about team performance rather than individual milestones. All other batsmen would rather get their 50/100 instead of winning the match.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Out of the 9 odi hundreds by Babar, 8 have been against SL, WI and ZIM.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

His only test century has been on one of the national highways of UAE.

His test batting average is lower than Ashwin and Jadeja.

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

One against aus and one against eng mate.

 

[Mr.Q]

I don’t understand what some of you have seen in Shai Hope to say he has greater potential than Babar. Babar is definitely ahead in terms of talent/skill.

 

[Usman Chadda]

An SR of 76 in ODIs against top teams does not a special player make. Dunno why this dude is compared to Babar Azam, even K Rahul is better

KL Rahul is mediocre. Hope and Babar are established international level cricketers.

 

[Shafi]

Babar is like an upgrade version of Fawad Alam who works hard for innings of 50s or 100s with the limitation of shot selection and big hitting abilities.

Hope is a natural hitter who has the ability to intimidate opposition team with fast scoring and bigger innings in less innings.

 

[Shafi]

An SR of 76 in ODIs against top teams does not a special player make. Dunno why this dude is compared to Babar Azam, even K Rahul is better

Hope can change match situation with fast scoring by hitting 6s where Babar will get out if he try to hit and score fast. Hope has more impact than Babar. Babar is very good for our current batting standard.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Hope can change match situation with fast scoring by hitting 6s where Babar will get out if he try to hit and score fast. Hope has more impact than Babar. Babar is very good for our current batting standard.

Look at his (hope's) strike rate.
Even babar can hit the odd six

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Excellent thread.

2 of the finest talent in world cricket and technically just close to the best.

But Babar is a notch above. Babar and Hetmyer are at same level though.

 

[Pakhs]

LOL @ this thread and people bashing Babar. All commentators know the quality of babar, Shai hope is more in the league of Rahul both a level down from Babar.

 

[Shafi]

Look at his (hope's) strike rate.
Even babar can hit the odd six

I said Hope can play fast if he wants to but he is lazy. Hope has 39 sixes compare to Babar's 25 in less than 10 matches.

 

[Titan24]

Not much of a comparison in my opinion. Babar's footwork, timing, placement and ability to play pace is far superior than the likes of Hope. I though his batting against Steyn in SA would have showed that.

Irrespective of what Babar has achieved till now in his career I think he has a higher ceiling however, I cant deny the talent Shai Hope possess but he is lacking a lot of things at the moment. His avg of 51 and Sr of 76 just proves that he has been given free hand by WI to play at whatever pace he wants and just hold one end as they have quite a lot of aggressors.

I am pretty sure Hopes avg would fall by atleast 8-10 runs if he raises that Sr to 85-86. He needs to work on his strike rotation and definitely on certain aspects of his technique as well.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Excellent thread.

2 of the finest talent in world cricket and technically just close to the best.

But Babar is a notch above. Babar and Hetmyer are at same level though.

Btw Hope's 2 centuries at Headingley were a work of art where WI won the match. Havent seen a batsmen play swing bowling so well in a long long time.

 

[Hasan123]

Babar is ahead but Shai Hope is catching up quickly. In ODIs he seems to have improved his shot range.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Not much of a comparison in my opinion. Babar's footwork, timing, placement and ability to play pace is far superior than the likes of Hope. I though his batting against Steyn in SA would have showed that.

Irrespective of what Babar has achieved till now in his career I think he has a higher ceiling however, I cant deny the talent Shai Hope possess but he is lacking a lot of things at the moment. His avg of 51 and Sr of 76 just proves that he has been given free hand by WI to play at whatever pace he wants and just hold one end as they have quite a lot of aggressors.

I am pretty sure Hopes avg would fall by atleast 8-10 runs if he raises that Sr to 85-86. He needs to work on his strike rotation and definitely on certain aspects of his technique as well.

Look at Hope's record in the last 1 and a half years.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Shai Hope doesn't really need to take that many risks. He has some of the games biggest hitters who bat around him. Thus, his role in the team is completely different to that of Babar's.

Hope has, Gayle, Lewis, Hetymer, Russell, Holder, Pooran, and if Pollard/Bravo play, them as well. So when you have such destructive hitters around you, all you need to do is hold the innings together..which he does brilliantly for the West Indies.

 

[Titan24]

Look at Hope's record in the last 1 and a half years.

Hope has definitely improved but in the last 28 ODI matches he has played he has scored just one century against a top team that was against India and 2 50s, one against Ind and one against Eng.

Other 4 centuries and good Strike rates are either against BD or Ireland.

Even in the WC qualifiers which had 7 matches he was only able to score 1 50 and had a SR of 60. Its pretty mediocre considering the way he is being rated. I am not saying he cant play an innings he did against NZ in warm up but at the moment I dont think he is close to Babar in terms of performances and other aspects of the game.

 

[Titan24]

Out of the 9 odi hundreds by Babar, 8 have been against SL, WI and ZIM.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

His only test century has been on one of the national highways of UAE.

His test batting average is lower than Ashwin and Jadeja.

Now tell me what is so special about Babar?

LOL! Ok so Babar's 8 100s against Srl, WI and Zim along with one against Eng and one against Aus are poor but Shai Hope's 5 out of 6 centuries being against BD, Ireland and Zim are good. And obviously to some posters its showing higher ceiling as well.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Played some dashing shots against Steyn ��

Nonsense, You peoples always come with agenda. If you peoples can't contribute anything serious then better to stay away from the discussion of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Hyperion66]

Nonsense, You peoples always come with agenda. If you peoples can't contribute anything serious then better to stay away from the discussion of Pakistan cricket.

Achha ji, thik hai

 

[classic]

We will find out tomorrow.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

We will find out tomorrow.

Well i think Babar doesn't Need to prove Anything fir anyone he Is Already World Class player.
Period...

 

[randomcricketfan]

LOL! Ok so Babar's 8 100s against Srl, WI and Zim along with one against Eng and one against Aus are poor but Shai Hope's 5 out of 6 centuries being against BD, Ireland and Zim are good. And obviously to some posters its showing higher ceiling as well.

I'm sorry? I never said that Hope is one of the best batsman in the world or he is a future ATG. He also has a lot to prove.

The point is i don't get the unreal hype about babar. One would assume he is Bradman and Sachin of 1990s rolled into one.

 

[Hyperion66]

I'm sorry? I never said that Hope is one of the best batsman in the world or he is a future ATG. He also has a lot to prove.

The point is i don't get the unreal hype about babar. One would assume he is Bradman and Sachin of 1990s rolled into one.

Exactly!! Babar is a notch above X, level above Y, as if he is the new Sachin or Kohli destroying teams for fun and winning matches left, right, center.

 

[Titan24]

I'm sorry? I never said that Hope is one of the best batsman in the world or he is a future ATG. He also has a lot to prove.

The point is i don't get the unreal hype about babar. One would assume he is Bradman and Sachin of 1990s rolled into one.

I thought you were stating that in comparison to Hope. Fair enough.

Coming to Babar's hype, its based upon the fact that he has shown a lot of good things and is just 24 at the moment. His timing, hand eye co ordination, placement, temperament are just to state few.

I agree he hasnt won much matches and hasnt created much impact in key matches till now but the basics are all there. He just needs to strengthen up mentally and keep working hard and hopefully returns will start coming soon.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Exactly!! Babar is a notch above X, level above Y, as if he is the new Sachin or Kohli destroying teams for fun and winning matches left, right, center.

And We Haven't Hyped Babar He Is Proving himself To be World Class Unlike K. L. R.A.H.U.L
We Are only Saying he Is 2nd only to kohli Across all formats in asia.

 

[Hyperion66]

And We Haven't Hyped Babar He Is Proving himself To be World Class Unlike K. L. R.A.H.U.L
We Are only Saying he Is 2nd only to kohli Across all formats in asia.

Seriously man? Are you kidding me? Dhawan, Rohit, Tamim and Mushfiqur are better across formats in Asia. This is unreal how you guys hype him up without any performances of note.

 

[Titan24]

Seriously man? Are you kidding me? Dhawan, Rohit, Tamim and Mushfiqur are better across formats in Asia. This is unreal how you guys hype him up without any performances of note.

All the names you have mentioned are in the peak of their careers and will be soon entering if not already entered the twilight stages of their careers. They are 31 (Rahim),30 (Tamim),32 (Rohit) ,33 (Dhawan) etc So I think comparing a young guy who doesnt have almost decade of experience like the names you mentioned is wrong comparison.

 

[saeed5646]

Seriously man? Are you kidding me? Dhawan, Rohit, Tamim and Mushfiqur are better across formats in Asia. This is unreal how you guys hype him up without any performances of note.

Are you serious too man ?

majority of indian fans have picked babar over rahul and you run away from that thread

Now here you are doing same .One fan doesn't determine that babar is better than kohli if you are serious about arguments listen to what babar have said about kohli comparison.he don't want to be compared with kohli who is way ahead

 

[KaaziSaab]

Most of the players on our team are marshmallow soft. You don't get a record of 0-11 by having grit and mental toughness.

I don't know who'll have the better numbers by the end of their career, but from what little I've seen of Hope, he comes across as mentally a lot tougher and has already played some fantastic match winning innings when the chips are down and the pressure is on.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but I'm afraid Azam by comparison is just marshmallow soft. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's a match loser (strike rate issues, slowing down near personal milestones and all that) but he just comes across as someone who will pad his stats against weaker teams, or when conditions are easy etc. I think he'll end his career in the MoYo/ Jaywardene tier of batsmen. Good but not great.

That said, WICB makes the PCB seem like it's run by elite professionals, so it's very much possible that Hope like many young upcoming West Indian cricketers will just go by the wayside. But based on talent and temperament, I think he has a higher ceiling. Just my opinion.

 

[Hyperion66]

All the names you have mentioned are in the peak of their careers and will be soon entering if not already entered the twilight stages of their careers. They are 29,30,32,33 etc So I think comparing a young guy who doesnt have almost decade of experience like the names you mentioned is wrong comparison.

Titan bhai look at the post I quoted, he said Babar already is the 2nd best bat from Asia across formats which is just plain wrong.

 

[saeed5646]

All the names you have mentioned are in the peak of their careers and will be soon entering if not already entered the twilight stages of their careers. They are 31 (Rahim),30 (Tamim),32 (Rohit) ,33 (Dhawan) etc So I think comparing a young guy who doesnt have almost decade of experience like the names you mentioned is wrong comparison.

Let him do it he has special agenda against Babar azam.Comparing 30+year old players with 24 year old is absurd and pathetic logic

 

[Hyperion66]

Are you serious too man ?

majority of indian fans have picked babar over rahul and you run away from that thread

Now here you are doing same .One fan doesn't determine that babar is better than kohli if you are serious about arguments listen to what babar have said about kohli comparison.he don't want to be compared with kohli who is way ahead

Da hell you are on about? What running away? Do you expect me to reply each and every post in the forum that I don't agree with? I am not unemployed enough to spend 24/7 on a single thread lol.

At least read the post before replying, the poster I quoted claimed Babar to be the 2nd best bat in Asia across all format, which is not true, you can't seriously blame me for merely pointing out the nonsense.

 

[Titan24]

Titan bhai look at the post I quoted, he said Babar already is the 2nd best bat from Asia across formats which is just plain wrong.

I apologize as I didnt take into account the original post.

I agree that Babar is not near to the names you have mentioned in terms of impact and match winning performances at the moment however, I think if he keeps doing the right things he can achieve a lot of things and can create impact in the result of the matches in near future when he acquires more maturity and experience.

 

[QalandarFan]

I'll tell you this.

If Babar had a strike rate of 76 in ODIs, PPers would have been asking for his head in every post. Heck, some geniuses still criticize Babar, who is among world's top 4 ODI batsmen today and strike rate close to 90!

And then we have some keyboard warriors here declaring Shai is better than Babar.

Ghar ki murghi daal barabar.


Seriously, can't understand these wrist-slitting keyboard warriors.

Babar is one of the best ODI batsmen in the world, stop comparing with Hope who has a lot to prove still, but he isn't bad either.

Lmao this is what came to my mind when I saw his stats! )

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Every new day i find a thread where ppers are bashing babar, I'm sick of it...
Pre babar we were in appaling batting team. People should thank babar giving shoulder to sinking ship.

 

[randomcricketfan]

I'll tell you this.

If Babar had a strike rate of 76 in ODIs, PPers would have been asking for his head in every post. Heck, some geniuses still criticize Babar, who is among world's top 4 ODI batsmen today and strike rate close to 90!

And then we have some keyboard warriors here declaring Shai is better than Babar.

Ghar ki murghi daal barabar.


Seriously, can't understand these wrist-slitting keyboard warriors.

Babar is one of the best ODI batsmen in the world, stop comparing with Hope who has a lot to prove still, but he isn't bad either.

[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] This is what I'm talking about. Babar is among the top 4 ODI batsman in the world? Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Taylor, Finch, Warner Morgan, QDK are all way better than him. I might have missed some more names.

 

[Eye_Done]

The only reason Babar is so hyped is because Pakistan got one decent batsman after years of mediocrity. In countries like England or India or Australia or New Zealand he would be forgotten within a year or so.

Babar is hyped like Indians hype up ugly action Bumrah as some great fast bowler. India finally got an above average fast bowler after years of mediocrity. In strong fast bowling nations like Pakistan Bumrah would not be even allowed as net bowler.

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION] [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] This is what I'm talking about. Babar is among the top 4 ODI batsman in the world? Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson, Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Taylor, Finch, Warner Morgan, QDK are all way better than him. I might have missed some more names.

You're indeed a random fan.

Babar is as good as Root. Probably has a bit more shots too than him.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Babar is hyped like Indians hype up ugly action Bumrah as some great fast bowler. India finally got an above average fast bowler after years of mediocrity. In strong fast bowling nations like Pakistan Bumrah would not be even allowed as net bowler.

Babar averages 52 and has won a ICC tournament. There is simply no comparison.

 

[randomcricketfan]

Not surprised that no one responded to this part.

He has a grand total of 1 match winning 50 plus score against top 5 teams in ODIs.

 

[randomcricketfan]

Babar is hyped like Indians hype up ugly action Bumrah as some great fast bowler. India finally got an above average fast bowler after years of mediocrity. In strong fast bowling nations like Pakistan Bumrah would not be even allowed as net bowler.

No Indian rates Bumrah as a future legend or ATG.

In strong fast bowling nations like Pakistan Bumrah would not be even allowed as net bowler.

We have all seen Pakistan's mighty fast bowling in last few years.

Since last world cup

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...pan;team_view=bowl;template=results;type=team

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Not surprised that no one responded to this part.

Its bcz no point explaining whetert His inning was Match Winning or not. Most of his innings Are Complementary and He always Anchoreo the Innings for Pakistan So For me He Is Single Most Important Person in Pakistan team .For Other Its depends how they see it .
So No Point Explaining!!

 

[hussain.r97]

I rate Babar higher as of now, though Shai Hope is an excellent player in his own right.

 

[Hawkeye]

) ) )

Hope is HOPELESS at least in front of Babar Azam.

Like I said earlier in my posts, Ghar ki murghi daal barabar -- some of our "fans" are pure wrist slitters, they love to self-loathe and it makes them feel better.

Babar Azam is in the league of top 3-4 batsmen in the world.

Hope is more in the mould of Imam ul Haq or Azhar Ali.

 

[Mueez]

Both are great bats for their countries.

But Babar has an upper hand after yesterday’s knock.

What an innings.

 

[saeed5646]

I love Hope's batting .he is classy batsmen and very pleasing to eyes.Excellent tournament for him but strike rate is bit on lower side

 

[Red Devil]

I love Hope's batting .he is classy batsmen and very pleasing to eyes.Excellent tournament for him but strike rate is bit on lower side

How has it been an excellent tournament for him?

 

[Syed1]

I love Hope's batting .he is classy batsmen and very pleasing to eyes.Excellent tournament for him but strike rate is bit on lower side

He averages in the low 30s in the tournament, don't know how you think he is having an excellent tournament.

 

[Mueez]

I love Hope's batting .he is classy batsmen and very pleasing to eyes.Excellent tournament for him but strike rate is bit on lower side

I think you meant Babar right?

 

[saeed5646]

How has it been an excellent tournament for him?

He averages in the low 30s in the tournament, don't know how you think he is having an excellent tournament.

I think you meant Babar right?

Forgive my ignorance guys .he stats was excellent before the worldcup which i mix with current worldcup

 

[Mueez]

Forgive my ignorance guys .he stats was excellent before the worldcup which i mix with current worldcup

Oh okay no problem

 

[Hasan123]

Shai Hope is a excellent player. No need to bash him when he is going through a rough patch.

 

[The Viper]

Hope tends to get in a complete shell and play some awful innings. His 11(30) stands out vs England.

 

[Mobashir]

Shai Hope is a excellent player. No need to bash him when he is going through a rough patch.

No need to bash him surely; but no need for Indian fans to create such threads in the first place because they feel insecure.

Babar is on another level compared to Hope.

 

[spiderreddy]

No need to bash him surely; but no need for Indian fans to create such threads in the first place because they feel insecure.

Babar is on another level compared to Hope.

So Indian created this thread ?
We feel insecure about Babar when we have Rohits and Kohlis in our lineup

 

[Ronaldo7]

No need to bash him surely; but no need for Indian fans to create such threads in the first place because they feel insecure.

Babar is on another level compared to Hope.

I'm not an Indian. I created this thread coz I saw Hope scoring centuries against India and actually winning matches for wi which babar was unable to do for pak. Also his match winning hundreds vs eng in the test series were amazing.