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Babar Azam vs Aiden Markram?

Markram has only done well at home. Has done nothing to prove himself abroad so saying he is miles ahead of Babar is an overstatement because Babar actually has a few innings of note in England, New Zealand and West Indies.Not saying Babar is better in tests but neither is Markram.

He has done well on the graveyards for batsmen- SA pitches. Babar can stake claim of dominance after his performances in the SA series.
 
All these players will fall apart one by one in comparison with babar and in the end he ll only stand fast inshallah .Be relaxed mates and Let the Indian bros bring players one by one for comparison with babar , and see them fading one by one ������.

Okay then. Virat Kohli vs Babar Azam.

Go.
 
Markram is great and will likely develop in both a great player and captain but writing Babar off or saying one will be better than the other makes no sense because a) Babar has actually done really well in LOI up till now whereas, Markram often struggles to find a place in South Africa's ODI starting XI. And while Markram has dominated at home in tests he failed miserably against spin in Sri Lanka which shows he has a long way to go. Babar though not particularly good in tests has actually shown signs of promise with a couple of innings in New Zealand and England and is a work in progress. So to say Markram is/is going to be better than Babar makes no sense and any such comparison should be made after atleast a year or two
 
He has done well on the graveyards for batsmen- SA pitches. Babar can stake claim of dominance after his performances in the SA series.

SA pitches are not graveyards for South African batsmen who know how to bat there better than anyone. And while he has played some very good innings against Australia and India he has also had the benefit of feasting on Bangladeshi and Zimbabwean bowling attacks
 
SA pitches are not graveyards for South African batsmen who know how to bat there better than anyone. And while he has played some very good innings against Australia and India he has also had the benefit of feasting on Bangladeshi and Zimbabwean bowling attacks

They are tough conditions for batsmen. Yes, more so for visiting teams. Everybody feasts on minnows. That's why they are called minnows. Babar ate them for breakfast, lunch and dinner too.
 
They are tough conditions for batsmen. Yes, more so for visiting teams. Everybody feasts on minnows. That's why they are called minnows. Babar ate them for breakfast, lunch and dinner too.

Babar has also scored in tough conditions, those which are especially considered tough for sub-continental batsmen. Markram has not. It's pointless to compare both but it's undeniable that Babar has made more of a mark up till now than Markram
 
Markram has only done well at home. Has done nothing to prove himself abroad so saying he is miles ahead of Babar is an overstatement because Babar actually has a few innings of note in England, New Zealand and West Indies.Not saying Babar is better in tests but neither is Markram.

They note innings against india but he played match winning innings against England , ireland and Australia
 
This is downright hypocrisy when comparing Babar Azam with Aiden Markram.

Aiden Markram has got big hundreds against Australia.But that is irrelevant because they come in South Africa. However, he is already designated as HTB even though away from home, he has played just 2 tests.

In contrast, we are hearing about a 68 odd Babar scored against England and 53 he scored against Ireland who have played only one test in their lifetime and are currently bigger minnow to Zimbabwe as well.

There is no explanation to this except that Markram has established himself in longer format while Babar is yet to establish himself. One or two 60s or 80s aren't enough. In contrast, Aiden has got a 143 and 151 against great Aus attack and was their prolific run-scorer in that series.
 
Babar just knows how to score soft runs when there is no pressure. He cannot win games on his own. Markram has already won SA a test series against Australia. He knows how to dominate the bowlers. I just think records are overrated. Cut out the stats of Babar against ZIM, WI and SL and you will see an average of below 40. And he has been poor in tests till now. I know he will come good there eventually as will Markram in ODIs but Babar will always be a league below Markram.
 
He has done well on the graveyards for batsmen- SA pitches. Babar can stake claim of dominance after his performances in the SA series.

Still home. Home stats mean nothing in tests. Absolutely zilch. If you don't perform well abroad, you're mediocre, simple as that.
 
Still home. Home stats mean nothing in tests. Absolutely zilch. If you don't perform well abroad, you're mediocre, simple as that.

He just played 2 matches abroad. Calm down. Scoring hundreds against best test bowling attacks Australia and India in trying conditions is never zilch.
 
Bobby Azam dominated 1st test

Markram showing his class in 2nd test.

Great battle .
 
Markram has got out quite a few times in the 80’s and 90’s recently. He could have potentially gotten three additional hundreds. Still a quality player that will only improve.
 
Pak wasting Babar's talent by batting him at 5/6. Need to slot him in at 3 to let his career take off
 
I think Babar has shut up a few critics who put him down as a minnow basher/FTB. His dominance of Steyn has been one of the very few positives this series.
 
Markram has got out quite a few times in the 80’s and 90’s recently. He could have potentially gotten three additional hundreds. Still a quality player that will only improve.

Similar to Babar in that regard. Babar has got 2 scores of 90s (90* vs NZ in NZ, 99 vs AUS in UAE) and has been dismissed 6 times in the 60-80 range.

To truly dominate the game, both batsmen need to better their conversion rate (Babar more so).
 
This is a good comparison and it will go on in next few years.

Both have shown glimpses of their ability and once they become complete batsmen, they will be eyeing for that no.1 spot in ICC ranking of best current batsmen at that time.
 
This is a good comparison and it will go on in next few years.

Both have shown glimpses of their ability and once they become complete batsmen, they will be eyeing for that no.1 spot in ICC ranking of best current batsmen at that time.

Babar is already there I think. With his performances in SA, he has answered many critics. Scores under pressure, imposing himself against bowlers. Markram is more pleasing to the eye and will be the mainstay but Babar is clearly ahead at this point.
 
Babar is already there I think. With his performances in SA, he has answered many critics. Scores under pressure, imposing himself against bowlers. Markram is more pleasing to the eye and will be the mainstay but Babar is clearly ahead at this point.

Although this is purely subjective, I reckon Babar's stroke play has not just been more gorgeous (especially those flurry of boundaries in the first test) but also more commanding. The manner in which he dispatched that Rabada short-ball straight back to mid-on boundary today, was a nothing short of dismissive. Last time I remember a young Pakistani batsmen do that to a really quick fast bowler was when Umar Akmal blazed a short-ball from Nathan Coulter-Nile in the 2014 t20 World Cup, iirc. The shot was especially good since Rabada has had his number in the series, yet Babar didn't back down from the contest. Very refreshing to see!
 
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Although this is purely subjective, I reckon Babar's stroke play has not just been more gorgeous (especially those flurry of boundaries in the first test) but also more commanding. The manner in which he dispatched that Rabada short-ball straight back to mid-on boundary today, was a nothing short of dismissive. Last time I remember a young Pakistani batsmen do that to a really quick fast bowler was when Umar Akmal blazed a short-ball from Nathan Coulter-Nile in the 2014 t20 World Cup, iirc. The shot was especially good since Rabada has had his number in the series, yet Babar didn't back down from the contest. Very refreshing to see!

Babar is truly in discussion now among the world's best bats after the SA series and he dominated Steyn like no other in recent times. Markram is not there yet and there are all the ingredients for him to be there in a couple of years. As far as aesthetics go, I think Markram has better technique and hence is more pleasing to the eye.
 
that was a declining past it has been steyn. calm down. Prime steyn would have given babar fits. Babar is still a good player though. Hope he improves his average slowly.

No he wouldn’t have. Pace bowling is like heaven for babar Azam he would dominate any pace bowler in the world. Babars weakness is left arm leg spin which is kuldeep yadav. Kuldeep has already owned him twice on both occasions they have played that’s what he needs to work out on. Steyn bowled at the same pace in that series that he normally bowled in his peak as well 140-145 so you can’t stay he was not at his best it’s just he keeps getting injured now.
 
No he wouldn’t have. Pace bowling is like heaven for babar Azam he would dominate any pace bowler in the world. Babars weakness is left arm leg spin which is kuldeep yadav. Kuldeep has already owned him twice on both occasions they have played that’s what he needs to work out on. Steyn bowled at the same pace in that series that he normally bowled in his peak as well 140-145 so you can’t stay he was not at his best it’s just he keeps getting injured now.

fair enough. Prime steyn is still prime steyn though. No matter what you say the version that faced babar was a post prime one. 2008-2014 was peak steyn. Still feel that prime steyn would be too much for a player who struggles vs bounce.

In saying that, this babar isn't in his prime yet either. I hope he becomes a legend for pakistan. He has all the tools to be an all time great in ODI. I am not sure about tests.
 
Markram has huge technical weaknesses. He looks good when he bats well. Crisp shots. But he has to work on his technique, judgement.
 
fair enough. Prime steyn is still prime steyn though. No matter what you say the version that faced babar was a post prime one. 2008-2014 was peak steyn. Still feel that prime steyn would be too much for a player who struggles vs bounce.

In saying that, this babar isn't in his prime yet either. I hope he becomes a legend for pakistan. He has all the tools to be an all time great in ODI. I am not sure about tests.

But babar doesn’t even struggle against bounce though that’s the only thing it’s only spin but you are right as well many years back it could have been different but what we saw of babar against steyn no body had a ever seen that before. No player had ever come to South Africa before and dominated steyn like that. Just have a look at this video and you won’t even be able to deny how badly steyn was treated by babar and totally dominated.

 
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But babar doesn’t even struggle against bounce though that’s the only thing it’s only spin but you are right as well many years back it could have been different but what we saw of babar against steyn no body had a ever seen that before. No player had ever come to South Africa before and dominated steyn like that. Just have a look at this video and you won’t even be able to deny how badly steyn was treated by babar and totally dominated.

wooow. just wow. amazing. Stroke play is otherworldly. I am surprised he has a weakness against kuldeep. is kuldeep evem that good of a spinner ? I am sure can fix his issue soon.

This boy has serious potential to be an ATG. This video actually reminds me of how a young hungry lion who is on the path to greatness ends the life of a veteran legend.

Fair to say babar needed his career. Still would like to how the battle would have unfolded in steyn' s prime. Remember this isn't babar's prime either.

Funnily enough I feel the battle would be more enthralling in U.A.E lol due to reverse swing. Steyn is the greatest exponent of reverse swing.
 
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Markram cannot play spin and has flopped on his two tours in subcontinent.

Still early in his career but not good signs.

Babar has shown improvement in tests- averaging 50 in last two years.

Babar himself not an immense player of spin, but still better than Markram.
 
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No he wouldn’t have. Pace bowling is like heaven for babar Azam he would dominate any pace bowler in the world. Babars weakness is left arm leg spin which is kuldeep yadav. Kuldeep has already owned him twice on both occasions they have played that’s what he needs to work out on. Steyn bowled at the same pace in that series that he normally bowled in his peak as well 140-145 so you can’t stay he was not at his best it’s just he keeps getting injured now.
Atleast let babar play some overseas matches before hailing him a fast bowlers nightmare.
He might be comfortable against swing and seam but he still has to prove it, he hasn't played any innings of note outside asia(bcoz he hasn't played many overseas tests) except that 90 in nz.
 
But babar doesn’t even struggle against bounce though that’s the only thing it’s only spin but you are right as well many years back it could have been different but what we saw of babar against steyn no body had a ever seen that before. No player had ever come to South Africa before and dominated steyn like that. Just have a look at this video and you won’t even be able to deny how badly steyn was treated by babar and totally dominated.

Pace is not the only thing peak steyn was known for, there is a mountain of difference between his peak years and 2019.
He has lost that zip in his bowling and even those outswingers aren't as threatening as tgey used to be.
Its like amir pre ban vs new amir.
Even if amir bowls at 140 sometimes he isn't anywhere as threatening as he used to be.
 
This is a good comparison and it will go on in next few years.

Both have shown glimpses of their ability and once they become complete batsmen, they will be eyeing for that no.1 spot in ICC ranking of best current batsmen at that time.

Spot on. Fans don't have patience. It is commendable the kind of improvement Markram has shown in his game in Asia from earlier on. He learnt the hard way but he it shows he is up for big things for SA in the future.
 
Aiden Markram is the next Graeme Smith in making and Quinton de kock is the next AB de Villiers.

Give the test captaincy to Markram and keep the ODI captaincy with QDk. South Africa will be back to top 3-4 team soon.
 
Aiden Markram is the next Graeme Smith in making and Quinton de kock is the next AB de Villiers.

Give the test captaincy to Markram and keep the ODI captaincy with QDk. South Africa will be back to top 3-4 team soon.

No way QDK is the next AB.

AB was a freak but took a while to get used to the game. QDK started with a bang and has been rather disappointing as of late. He hasn’t averaged 50 or more since 2016.

And his overall average since then has been 36. To make a comparison, Shafiq averages 31 in the same amount of time.

And Markram has time to improve so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Markham is going to be a top class player. De Kock is not interested in the captaincy. Markham seems like he can handle the pressure of captaincy and continue to score runs. Furthermore he has experience of captaining. I would like to see him or Van Der Dussen appointed test captain for South Africa.
 
Aiden Markram is the next AB de Villiers. Brilliant against genuine pace and someone who improved his game immensely against spin compared to when he started.

ABD also struggled against spin a bit when he started like in Bangladesh or against Warne but got better by 2008 when he faced Murali in Sri Lanka and then Harbhajan in India.

Markram is South Africa's future and their next big thing. Alongside Gill and Babar, he will be the player of decade in 2020s.
 
Aiden Markram is the next AB de Villiers. Brilliant against genuine pace and someone who improved his game immensely against spin compared to when he started.

ABD also struggled against spin a bit when he started like in Bangladesh or against Warne but got better by 2008 when he faced Murali in Sri Lanka and then Harbhajan in India.

Markram is South Africa's future and their next big thing. Alongside Gill and Babar, he will be the player of decade in 2020s.

Markram is nowhere near as talented as AB. And completely different roles in the team. Next Graeme Smith maybe. Next AB is a bit much.
 
About the same in tests atm. But there is no comparison in limited overs. Babar is arguably the best after Kohli and Rohit in LOIs.
 
Aiden Markram is the next AB de Villiers. Brilliant against genuine pace and someone who improved his game immensely against spin compared to when he started.

ABD also struggled against spin a bit when he started like in Bangladesh or against Warne but got better by 2008 when he faced Murali in Sri Lanka and then Harbhajan in India.

Markram is South Africa's future and their next big thing. Alongside Gill and Babar, he will be the player of decade in 2020s.

Markram is no were near as talented as de villers.they have different roles.
 
Babar is mentally weak. He is a highly talented but soft player who is more interested in playing pretty cover drives and scoring 60 (40) against weak attacks in T20s, then grinding out tough runs in Test cricket.

Markram has a lot of character and proper leadership qualities. If Babar doesn’t improve his mentality Markram will have a better Test career than him.
 
Babar is mentally weak. He is a highly talented but soft player who is more interested in playing pretty cover drives and scoring 60 (40) against weak attacks in T20s, then grinding out tough runs in Test cricket.

Markram has a lot of character and proper leadership qualities. If Babar doesn’t improve his mentality Markram will have a better Test career than him.

Yep babar is ahead right now in tests but the mentality markram showed in this tour to fight it out was great. Babar is a good player but has disappointed many of us who thought he had potential to acheive the sort of success the fab 4 enjoy. He still has 4 years left to estabilish himself as one for atg status or else will be remebered as a slightly better version of muhammad yousuf.
 
Yep babar is ahead right now in tests but the mentality markram showed in this tour to fight it out was great. Babar is a good player but has disappointed many of us who thought he had potential to acheive the sort of success the fab 4 enjoy. He still has 4 years left to estabilish himself as one for atg status or else will be remebered as a slightly better version of muhammad yousuf.

Babar would do really well to match Yousuf in Test cricket. Yousuf scored big double tons as well as played iconic knocks outside Asia.
 
Markram is nowhere near as talented as AB. And completely different roles in the team. Next Graeme Smith maybe. Next AB is a bit much.

Markram has talent and leadership quality both. He will go down as SA's greatest test batsman of all-time.
 
Big six hitter Markram - Babar needs to do the same if we want to compare.
 
Possibly the most pointless a vs b thread. Babar is miles ahead of Markram. One can't even start comparing.
 
All hail Aiden Markram! When the going gets tough, the tough gets tougher.

While Babar is a relatively soft cricketer who likes to cash on easy runs when the target is under 150 and play supporting role, here we have Markram who is a terrific player of pace and bounce and scores clutch match winning runs for his team. On a pitch, when Van der dussen scored at S/R of 84, Markram was striking at almost 200.

Well, who can forget his test hundred vs Australia in one of the wildest series we had in last decade. That was a series to prove yourself and he did it. It was this series and then later Pant series in 2020-21 because of which Australians lost their brave, aggressive, on your face aura, not because of IPL money as people like Ramiz Raza might like to pretend.

Anyways, back on topic, terrific knock from him to seal the first win of the tournament for South Africa.
 
All hail Aiden Markram! When the going gets tough, the tough gets tougher.

While Babar is a relatively soft cricketer who likes to cash on easy runs when the target is under 150 and play supporting role, here we have Markram who is a terrific player of pace and bounce and scores clutch match winning runs for his team. On a pitch, when Van der dussen scored at S/R of 84, Markram was striking at almost 200.

Well, who can forget his test hundred vs Australia in one of the wildest series we had in last decade. That was a series to prove yourself and he did it. It was this series and then later Pant series in 2020-21 because of which Australians lost their brave, aggressive, on your face aura, not because of IPL money as people like Ramiz Raza might like to pretend.

Anyways, back on topic, terrific knock from him to seal the first win of the tournament for South Africa.

This isn't the time for that when the "soft" cricketer demolished your team in a chase over 150 in a pressure game.
 
All hail Aiden Markram! When the going gets tough, the tough gets tougher.

While Babar is a relatively soft cricketer who likes to cash on easy runs when the target is under 150 and play supporting role, here we have Markram who is a terrific player of pace and bounce and scores clutch match winning runs for his team. On a pitch, when Van der dussen scored at S/R of 84, Markram was striking at almost 200.

Well, who can forget his test hundred vs Australia in one of the wildest series we had in last decade. That was a series to prove yourself and he did it. It was this series and then later Pant series in 2020-21 because of which Australians lost their brave, aggressive, on your face aura, not because of IPL money as people like Ramiz Raza might like to pretend.

Anyways, back on topic, terrific knock from him to seal the first win of the tournament for South Africa.

What's easy run?
 
All hail Aiden Markram! When the going gets tough, the tough gets tougher.

While Babar is a relatively soft cricketer who likes to cash on easy runs when the target is under 150 and play supporting role, here we have Markram who is a terrific player of pace and bounce and scores clutch match winning runs for his team. On a pitch, when Van der dussen scored at S/R of 84, Markram was striking at almost 200.

Well, who can forget his test hundred vs Australia in one of the wildest series we had in last decade. That was a series to prove yourself and he did it. It was this series and then later Pant series in 2020-21 because of which Australians lost their brave, aggressive, on your face aura, not because of IPL money as people like Ramiz Raza might like to pretend.

Anyways, back on topic, terrific knock from him to seal the first win of the tournament for South Africa.

Must be the easiest runs he has ever scored

Markram to Babar Azam, SIX runs

47.5

6

Wallope

oo straight and full and Babar goes down on one knee to unleash a pleasing arc of a slog-sweep that sends the ball way over deep midwicket
 
Love the talent of South African crickters and Markram is one of those great talented players. But I don't believe in them anymore with the politics of the South african cricket board it will be hard for any of them become a great player.
 
All hail Aiden Markram! When the going gets tough, the tough gets tougher.

While Babar is a relatively soft cricketer who likes to cash on easy runs when the target is under 150 and play supporting role, here we have Markram who is a terrific player of pace and bounce and scores clutch match winning runs for his team. On a pitch, when Van der dussen scored at S/R of 84, Markram was striking at almost 200.

Well, who can forget his test hundred vs Australia in one of the wildest series we had in last decade. That was a series to prove yourself and he did it. It was this series and then later Pant series in 2020-21 because of which Australians lost their brave, aggressive, on your face aura, not because of IPL money as people like Ramiz Raza might like to pretend.

Anyways, back on topic, terrific knock from him to seal the first win of the tournament for South Africa.

what land do u live in lol ....
i mean there is one thing being dellusional but this is next level story making ...

do tell me wat u smoke... need to warn others not to go miles close to tht stuff ...
 
what land do u live in lol ....
i mean there is one thing being dellusional but this is next level story making ...

do tell me wat u smoke... need to warn others not to go miles close to tht stuff ...

Where is the story? They all are facts.

1) Markram has played two terrific knocks in two games. His hundred vs Australia was a high quality one too in a 400+ chase.

2) Babar generally excels generally in 150 run chase or 151( doesn't change much) but not 160.

3)Van der dussen S/R last game - 84
Markram S/R last game - 196, both batted together.

Rest of your statements are unacceptable and I demand an apology for the same. :inti
 
It is self explanatory.

Rizwan and Markram's knock were better than the one mentioned for Babar.

Babar has played the best knock of the world cup so far.
High pressure game, captain of the team, led from the front.
Pakistan won the match in overs 8 to 16th. And if you look who scored the runs at witch rate in this phase you will understand who played the best innings.
 
Babar has played the best knock of the world cup so far.
High pressure game, captain of the team, led from the front.
Pakistan won the match in overs 8 to 16th. And if you look who scored the runs at witch rate in this phase you will understand who played the best innings.

I watched the match completely and Babar was struggling initially. Rizwan was the one who took the initial charge. For a target of 150, once you have got a strong opening stand, it becomes much easier anyways.

Babar's knock wasn't even the better knock of that inning, he played supporting role. It was third best performance from Pakistan side, tied with Kohli's fifty. The top two performance were Shaheen and Rizwan one.

As I said, in matches which matters or in high profile test matches, both Aiden Markram ( Australia series and WT20) and KL Rahul( Lords Test) have higher chances of impacting the game than Babar.
 
I watched the match completely and Babar was struggling initially. Rizwan was the one who took the initial charge. For a target of 150, once you have got a strong opening stand, it becomes much easier anyways.

Babar's knock wasn't even the better knock of that inning, he played supporting role. It was third best performance from Pakistan side, tied with Kohli's fifty. The top two performance were Shaheen and Rizwan one.

As I said, in matches which matters or in high profile test matches, both Aiden Markram ( Australia series and WT20) and KL Rahul( Lords Test) have higher chances of impacting the game than Babar.

Your are completely lost as far as understanding cricket.

After 8 overs Pakistan were 52/0.
RRR was 8,33 needing 100 in 12 overs.
Rizwan was on 30 from 25 and Babar 20 from 23.

At that point the match was in Pakistanis favor but not won at all, a wicket or a bad over and the match could have turned completely.

6 overs later, Pakistan were 14 overs 112/0 adding 60 runs in 6 overs. Babar Azam sitting on 61 from 45 balls and Rizwan 48 from 39 balls.
Pakistan required just over run a ball, 40 from 36, match was won.

In that match winning phase, Babar added 41 runs in 22 balls and Rizwan played a second fiddle to the 2nd best batsman in the world (Smith being the best) by adding 18 from 14.

It's sad that you seem to watch so much cricket but still can't understand basic things like that due to your bias and hate towards some players.

Kohli, lol.
 
Where is the story? They all are facts.

1) Markram has played two terrific knocks in two games. His hundred vs Australia was a high quality one too in a 400+ chase.

2) Babar generally excels generally in 150 run chase or 151( doesn't change much) but not 160.

3)Van der dussen S/R last game - 84
Markram S/R last game - 196, both batted together.

Rest of your statements are unacceptable and I demand an apology for the same. :inti

so by tht logic, Shahid Afridi made 100z in less than 50 balls so he is like the best ever batsmen ..

Agarkar has century at lords .. so he is better than Tendulkar bcz tendular doesnt have 1 ...

1 - 2 innings heros are nothing ....
 
Markham is yet to have any significant match winning performance. Babar has achieved more.

So, Babar wins easily.
 
Rizwan was the best batsman in that match.
Kohli was second best
Babar is at no. 3.
Pant at 4.

The conditions and situations when they came to play is also taken into account while rating their performances.
 
so by tht logic, Shahid Afridi made 100z in less than 50 balls so he is like the best ever batsmen ..

Agarkar has century at lords .. so he is better than Tendulkar bcz tendular doesnt have 1 ...

1 - 2 innings heros are nothing ....

Oh bhai, the S/R part is from a T20 match. Obviously, strike rate matters more in T20s. Shahid Afridi would be one of the first names in my T20 XI.

As for Tests, Babar simply doesn't have enough match winning or memorable knocks to his name in any condition while in contrast, Markram has a memorable 150 vs a high quality Australia attack with a tampered bowl and was on his way to play a match winning chase even in Pakistan as well.

In terms of impact knocks, Markram over Babar easily. Babar is a good run scorer though, a statistician delight like Amla in LOs although Amla does have far more significant knocks in tests which can't be undermined at all.
 
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