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Babar Azam's batting statistics in major tournaments

Actions speak louder than words and Misbah's actions where nothing short of being criminal.

He had constantly overlooked Saifi and his performances whether it be in tests or ODIs and would go for the medicore option 9 times out of 10.

Unfortunately for Misbah, Sarfraz was just too good a player to keep out and the more he played, the more Misbah looked like a fool

I do agree however that Sarfraz was the oxygen of team just as Misbah was the carbon dioxide, something which needed to be kicked out

Only thing Sarfraz is remembered for is his captaincy in CT17 otherwise he wasn't the player you're making him out to be. If he wasn't captain he wouldn't even merit a place in the side with Rizwan being his biggest competitor. Misbah didn't go for inferior options, he saw the true value of players he commanded.

You also brag about how Sarfraz displaced Rizwan in the test team on his comeback but don't acknowledge that it was Rizwan himself who asked for Sarfraz to get games.
 
These so called fresh of the boat immigrants have families living in India and vice versa as I have families living in Pakistan.

My views are automatically superior to yours as I've met and spoken to a huge sample size from India and immigrants living elsewhere.

You haven't spoken to anyone besides yourself. You can't even get local Pakistani's to agree with you lol
I have spent time in the US, befriended a few Indians. None of us left our homelands because we couldn’t make things work in our home countries.

We were there as part of an elite group of highly educated people with specialized skills, not defeated immigrants who had to run away from their home countries for a better living.

All of those Indian friends who love cricket admire Babar’s skills as batsman.
 
Thankfully the West Indies game wasn’t washed out. Otherwise his deluded fans would used that game as an example of how Pakistan got unlucky and missed out on the semifinal because of rain.

It was a real disappointment. The team played like deers caught in a headlight. We were written off right from the first game
 
Babar was really good in the 2019 World Cup .
In the 2022 Asia cup and World Cup he was very poor.
He was steady in the 2023 World Cup .

The thing missing for Babar is that he truly lacks that Atg , path breaking innings in an ICC tournament.

His top two knocks I would say are
The 100 in 2019 against New Zealand
Unbeaten 60 odd against India in 2021.

They are solid knocks but not spectacular. In all fairness there is no one else other than Fakhar who has done that previously and is capable of repeating it. But Babar needs to produce something like that .
 
Babar Azam is Pakistan's best white ball batter . Problem is when guys think he is on par with some other T20 or even ODI batters from around the world

He is not. But no Pakistani batsman is. So it's a bit pointless holding Babar Azam accountable.
 
Babar should have become a game-breaking talent by now considering his potential was sky-high when he was a teenager.

Instead, he's become Pakistan's Hashim Amla.
 
You think the 2023 campaign is worse then 2007?

I'm asking btw, I was too young to watch or understand cricket back then, never saw the cup or any highlights either tbf, just scorecards.

Edit: Asking cause my dad who use tobwatch cricket said 2007 was the worst, he stopped watching in 2012 though, he's too old now.
2023 was bad but the team was not terrible. Great cricketers. Most of them were just past it. But some of the greatest Pakistan cricketers in the ranks. Australia were brilliant in that tournament.

2007 was quite embarrassing and humiliating, but the format was flawed. Losing two games in group stages (you shouldn’t lose) but teams can slip up early against a minnow and find themselves in big trouble. In 2007, I believe Australia with Gilchrist, Hayden, Symonds and Brett Lee in their side Lost to Zimbabwe in the group stage of the T20 World Cup. Losing is not the issue, the issue is that the format should allow space for a recovery.
 
2023 was bad but the team was not terrible. Great cricketers. Most of them were just past it. But some of the greatest Pakistan cricketers in the ranks. Australia were brilliant in that tournament.

2007 was quite embarrassing and humiliating, but the format was flawed. Losing two games in group stages (you shouldn’t lose) but teams can slip up early against a minnow and find themselves in big trouble. In 2007, I believe Australia with Gilchrist, Hayden, Symonds and Brett Lee in their side Lost to Zimbabwe in the group stage of the T20 World Cup. Losing is not the issue, the issue is that the format should allow space for a recovery.
Sorry I'm a bit confused.

2023 was bad, but the team was not terrible most of them were just past it? Bust some of the greatest Pakistan cricketers in the ranks?

Huh?

Or did you mean 2007? Was that a typo?
 
Sorry I'm a bit confused.

2023 was bad, but the team was not terrible most of them were just past it? Bust some of the greatest Pakistan cricketers in the ranks?

Huh?

Or did you mean 2007? Was that a typo?
2023 was bad because the captain insisted on a group of players, even though he was given ample time and opportunity to pick a much stronger squad suited for the conditions. Plus the bowlers were absolutely horrendous. They didn’t have any control throughout the tournament. The guy batting at number 4 is essentially a number 6-7, and he was allowed to bat in that position because he had sway over the captain.

It was a total s show
 
2023 was bad because the captain insisted on a group of players, even though he was given ample time and opportunity to pick a much stronger squad suited for the conditions. Plus the bowlers were absolutely horrendous. They didn’t have any control throughout the tournament. The guy batting at number 4 is essentially a number 6-7, and he was allowed to bat in that position because he had sway over the captain.

It was a total s show
I understand your viewpoint, i got the whole thing.

I just didn't get what you meant by 2023 team having some of the greatest pakistani cricketers in their ranks?
 
Sorry I meant 2003*

The 2003 squad was solid
Only issue by 2003 they were spent force. But in 2002 they won the odi series against aus in aus.saqlain was completely horrendous. A good spinner may have pushed the fortunes against aus/eng.Inzi was a total disappointment.Yousuf and younis have not raised their bar.
 
are we comparing previous squads here? Because this thread is about babar.
 
2023 was bad because the captain insisted on a group of players, even though he was given ample time and opportunity to pick a much stronger squad suited for the conditions. Plus the bowlers were absolutely horrendous. They didn’t have any control throughout the tournament. The guy batting at number 4 is essentially a number 6-7, and he was allowed to bat in that position because he had sway over the captain.

It was a total s show

The guy at number 4 completely owned the position and was our highest scorer. Just like he does with everything else, Rizwan takes responsibility.

Plus we prepared but Naseem's injury was unfortunate and Shaheen too wasn't fully fit. We had our setbacks. Still could've done better
 
The guy at number 4 completely owned the position and was our highest scorer. Just like he does with everything else, Rizwan takes responsibility.

Plus we prepared but Naseem's injury was unfortunate and Shaheen too wasn't fully fit. We had our setbacks. Still could've done better
Yes,

Rizwan should take responsibility and admit that our team was unbalanced so that he can be happy.
 
Yes,

Rizwan should take responsibility and admit that our team was unbalanced so that he can be happy.

What was unbalanced about that squad? The only thing that comes to my mind is playing wasim jnr as the 3rd pacer.
 
^^ This comment alone (other then your nonstop abusive comments) should outright expose your nonsense intellect.

You are honestly telling me you represent Indian public sentiment, India views us as a joke, I have tons of Indian friends in Australia who's families live in India, they all view babar as a joke. India public is not you nor are you their representation.

You're claiming EVERYONE IN AHMEDABAD who attended is ignorant and uneducated hence they attacked babar? You're telling me not a single intelligent, educated individual attended that match? Or are you claiming that an intelligent individual would be stupid enough to get caught up in the heat of the moment?

Looney toon comment, outright exposes your hypocrisy and shows how bad at argumentation you really are.
Indian cricket fans do not have a high opinion of Babar. The term "Zimbabar" was coined by INDIAN CRICKET FANS. Or does anyone here believe it was invented by someone who is not a cricket fan?

Babar would have faced less scrutiny from Indian fans if he hadn't been compared to Kohli. Someone like Misbah, who was inferior to Babar, was respected by Indian fans because he wasn't compared to any top Indian batter so he avoided scrutiny.
 
What was unbalanced about that squad? The only thing that comes to my mind is playing wasim jnr as the 3rd pacer.
Of course

The glass will always be half full for you in this matter. We know what you want and believe in. No point arguing, debating or wasting each other’s time.
 
Indian cricket fans do not have a high opinion of Babar. The term "Zimbabar" was coined by INDIAN CRICKET FANS. Or does anyone here believe it was invented by someone who is not a cricket fan?
I am firmly of the belief that Babar fans believe it was coined by Imad Wasim and Amir supporters
 
Of course

The glass will always be half full for you in this matter. We know what you want and believe in. No point arguing, debating or wasting each other’s time.

The glass should always be half full for everybody here. We have a young team with a strong core. No need to be so negative all the time.
 
Still not sure what is being proved by bringing these statistics. They are not earth shattering, all they're showing is Babar had some poor tournaments and some good ones. The statistics also conveniently ignores 2017 CT and 2019 WC.

Is Babar the best batsman in the country? Yes.
 
Indian cricket fans do not have a high opinion of Babar. The term "Zimbabar" was coined by INDIAN CRICKET FANS. Or does anyone here believe it was invented by someone who is not a cricket fan?

Babar would have faced less scrutiny from Indian fans if he hadn't been compared to Kohli. Someone like Misbah, who was inferior to Babar, was respected by Indian fans because he wasn't compared to any top Indian batter so he avoided scrutiny.
Every Indian I've spoken to, thinks Bobby is just their lol.

Aka he's a bat in the Pakistan team. That's all they think of him, nothing more and nothing less.
 
The glass should always be half full for everybody here. We have a young team with a strong core. No need to be so negative all the time.
It is half full for everyone that is looking for a particular mindset of the game in power. Like the one enforced by Misbah, and is continuing to be dominated by it. So yes, for those people you can always look at the positives.

Others are allowed to have a difference in opinion, and they can express it with as much vengeance as they like. Accept that too.
 
Every Indian I've spoken to, thinks Bobby is just their lol.

Aka he's a bat in the Pakistan team. That's all they think of him, nothing more and nothing less.
There are some old Indian uncles that might like him, Especially some parents who spend a lot of money on their kid’s coaching and would want a good model for technique, but yes the general perception is that he is alright.

They have plenty of batting superstars to actually go Gaga over. They like left arm seamers though.
 
There are some old Indian uncles that might like him, Especially some parents who spend a lot of money on their kid’s coaching and would want a good model for technique, but yes the general perception is that he is alright.

They have plenty of batting superstars to actually go Gaga over. They like left arm seamers though.
Even when it comes to pakistani batsmen, inzi, javed , zaheer abbas and anwar were admired more than babar
 
Even when it comes to pakistani batsmen, inzi, javed , zaheer abbas and anwar were admired more than babar
I can speak for Inzimam. He was a middle order technician against spin. Those middle order battles against Kumble and Harbajhan were epic. People don’t realise how great he was and how effortlessly he played spin with a clear method.

This will naturally earn you respect in India because they knew they were in for a long afternoon with Inzi at the crease.
 
I can speak for Inzimam. He was a middle order technician against spin. Those middle order battles against Kumble and Harbajhan were epic. People don’t realise how great he was and how effortlessly he played spin with a clear method.

This will naturally earn you respect in India because they knew they were in for a long afternoon with Inzi at the crease.
I still remember his incredible knocks in karachi 2004 and bangalore 2006 on his 100th test, azam hasn't done a fraction of this against india.

Wonderful batsmen to watch, played some great shots
 
Sarfraz is the one cricketer in Pakistan who is loved by all. Babar may have his cult FC however he is slowly becoming more divisive than Imran Niazi

Saifi on the other hand is loved by all no matter the city or region. The only exception being Peshawar and greater KP who prefer the corrupt Molvi
No one likes clown srfaraz other than deluded people from Karachi. Now don't start crying about region again as you bought it up like last time.
 
Gives you pleasure seeing Pakistan humiliated too? That’s not an impartial cricket team.
I've seen enough cricket to understand Babar is a valuable asset. Only people with agenda or zero knowledge of the game think he's the reason behind our poor performances. As I've said before, blaming Babar is like blaming Sachin for India's poor record during the 90's. And blaming Lara for poor west indies performances
 
I've seen enough cricket to understand Babar is a valuable asset. Only people with agenda or zero knowledge of the game think he's the reason behind our poor performances. As I've said before, blaming Babar is like blaming Sachin for India's poor record during the 90's. And blaming Lara for poor west indies performances
Yes babar is the best thing to happen to Pakistan since Muhammad Ali Jinnah, so obviously he has high standards
 
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We should be talking about Babar's performance rather than Sarfaraz.
 
Even though he has the best cover drive in the entire game’s history, there’s a lot to learn.

He can learn how to pace innings from Virat Kohli, and Virat can learn how to hit an aesthetic cover drive from Babar.
 
I have spent time in the US, befriended a few Indians. None of us left our homelands because we couldn’t make things work in our home countries.

We were there as part of an elite group of highly educated people with specialized skills, not defeated immigrants who had to run away from their home countries for a better living.

All of those Indian friends who love cricket admire Babar’s skills as batsman.
Sure, Babar played several innings vs India, he performed so well in them. Smashing Indian bowlers all over the place. Same like his top innings in ICC KO games vs Aus and Eng, scoring those big 100s.

Of course Indians who are part of an elite group with special brains and skills will rate a match winner like Babar.
 
Babar is the only exceptionally talented guy that Pakistan had the last 5-10 years that didn't ruin his career due to fitness or fixing. Amir, fixing. Umar akmal, fitness. Jamshed (I think people forget how good he was early on his career, he was talented), fitness and fixing. Sharjeel, fitness and fixing. Asif, fixing. Haris Sohail a combination of fitness and injuries. Sarfraz even, while not individually talented as much in one discipline, there were hopes he'd be our next dhoni as captain. He let his fitness go, which I'm sure impacted his performance given his batting early on in his career was less reliant on boundary hitting and more picking up singles. I think Azam will belong to that group too, the guy is producing numbers down the order in leagues that rival the best in the world, but will likely never make that jump to international cricket due to fitness.

That's why the Babar gets respect. He's the only one out of them who actually delivered, plays every game, performs in all 3 formats. Extremely consistent. He hasn't done badly in tournaments compared to our past legends. But our other talented guys don't even perform/are available in bilateral series. Let alone being consistently around for tournaments. If the talented guys had the same work ethic, integrity, we wouldn't be picking the less talented cricketers who work hard over them.
 
Babar is the only exceptionally talented guy that Pakistan had the last 5-10 years that didn't ruin his career due to fitness or fixing. Amir, fixing. Umar akmal, fitness. Jamshed (I think people forget how good he was early on his career, he was talented), fitness and fixing. Sharjeel, fitness and fixing. Asif, fixing. Haris Sohail a combination of fitness and injuries. Sarfraz even, while not individually talented as much in one discipline, there were hopes he'd be our next dhoni as captain. He let his fitness go, which I'm sure impacted his performance given his batting early on in his career was less reliant on boundary hitting and more picking up singles. I think Azam will belong to that group too, the guy is producing numbers down the order in leagues that rival the best in the world, but will likely never make that jump to international cricket due to fitness.

That's why the Babar gets respect. He's the only one out of them who actually delivered, plays every game, performs in all 3 formats. Extremely consistent. He hasn't done badly in tournaments compared to our past legends. But our other talented guys don't even perform/are available in bilateral series. Let alone being consistently around for tournaments. If the talented guys had the same work ethic, integrity, we wouldn't be picking the less talented cricketers who work hard over them.
Fair point and good post but massively disagree Jamshed, Akmal and Azam.

Jamshed wasn't a good player by any means, he was limited and bang average, even at his peak, ontop of his snails pace sr, he wasn't ever going to succeed.

Umar akmal was talented but fitness wasn't his downfall, it was his inability to improve. He had good strokes but was brainless on strike rotation and shot selection. His wc 2015 wicket against West Indies is a peak example of his brainless he is.

The team literally made a change in fielding to prevent Umar akmal from carelessly playing a pull shot which he was doing, yet umar didn't see the fielding change and played the same shot getting put. He could have pulled it, no need to loft it.

Azam isn't talented, he's a trundler basher but that's about it. Has slow reflexes and any Tom dick and Harry will just get rid of him in international.

Agree with the rest but in case of haris sohail, it wasn't his fault, just like James taylor wasn't his fault, although Taylor case was 100x worse no doubt.
 
Babar was the top scorer for Pakistan in the 2019 ODI World Cup, He was also good at the 2021 T20 World Cup but he was below par in other events.

Just like we acknowledge his failures in another event, we should acknowledge his positives as well. Yes, Babar still has to prove that he is a great player by having a banger of an ICC tournament but it is not like he has been a failure 100 percent of the time. He has achieved somethings that needed to be acknowledged, so look beyond hatred as well.
 
Fair point and good post but massively disagree Jamshed, Akmal and Azam.

Jamshed wasn't a good player by any means, he was limited and bang average, even at his peak, ontop of his snails pace sr, he wasn't ever going to succeed.

Umar akmal was talented but fitness wasn't his downfall, it was his inability to improve. He had good strokes but was brainless on strike rotation and shot selection. His wc 2015 wicket against West Indies is a peak example of his brainless he is.

The team literally made a change in fielding to prevent Umar akmal from carelessly playing a pull shot which he was doing, yet umar didn't see the fielding change and played the same shot getting put. He could have pulled it, no need to loft it.

Azam isn't talented, he's a trundler basher but that's about it. Has slow reflexes and any Tom dick and Harry will just get rid of him in international.

Agree with the rest but in case of haris sohail, it wasn't his fault, just like James taylor wasn't his fault, although Taylor case was 100x worse no doubt.
Jamshed wasn't slow when he started. I remember it was ODI series in India. He outbatted everyone including the Indians in what was a low scoring series, scoring at a healthy SR. Still probably remains the most standout performance ive seen from a pakistani batsmen in a series. Even had a lot of maturity to his game unlike umar akmal, much better shot selection. He lost form, and that's when his batting turned snail like. In that indian series he looked genuine class. Did well against Australia then too. He also blamed him trying to lose weight resulting in lost form. Its the reason why management tried to bring him back despite terrible performances, because he genuinely looked really good in his early career. It's hard to believe now, but at the time when he was performing, people were even making the case he was as talented/more talented than umar akmal. Why we even rushed him into tests prematurely, we were desperate to play him.

Haris's injuries weren't his fault. But I don't think Haris really took his fitness seriously either, there's quite a few reports to illustrate that. If you take fitness seriously it probably hampers rehabilitation from injury too.

Maybe it wasn't the reason umar declined. But just another example of a talented player losing his way due to fitness. While you can argue Umar never reached heights due to other reasons, he might still have at least been still in the team as an average player if he had kept his fitness. I guess it's also assuming, but I do kind of feel if umar had a great worth ethic about his fitness, I think it would have lended discipline in other areas, hence he might of been a bit more disciplined in his shots. Maybe overreaching there.

The things Azam is doing is very rare. Azam's even aware of this himself. His average and SR in leagues given he plays middle/lower order is pretty incredible. And he does it being obese, not maximising singles, and his weight also affects his reflexes. And yet he still gets those numbers. Can only imagine how good he'd be if he was actually anywhere close to healthy weight.

Maybe ruined their career is the wrong phrase. Maybe better to say that every single talented player we had either had no integrity and fixed, or didn't care enough about fitness. Or both. Babar is the exception.
 
Jamshed wasn't slow when he started. I remember it was ODI series in India. He outbatted everyone including the Indians in what was a low scoring series, scoring at a healthy SR. Still probably remains the most standout performance ive seen from a pakistani batsmen in a series. Even had a lot of maturity to his game unlike umar akmal, much better shot selection. He lost form, and that's when his batting turned snail like. In that indian series he looked genuine class. Did well against Australia then too. He also blamed him trying to lose weight resulting in lost form. Its the reason why management tried to bring him back despite terrible performances, because he genuinely looked really good in his early career. It's hard to believe now, but at the time when he was performing, people were even making the case he was as talented/more talented than umar akmal. Why we even rushed him into tests prematurely, we were desperate to play him.

Haris's injuries weren't his fault. But I don't think Haris really took his fitness seriously either, there's quite a few reports to illustrate that. If you take fitness seriously it probably hampers rehabilitation from injury too.

Maybe it wasn't the reason umar declined. But just another example of a talented player losing his way due to fitness. While you can argue Umar never reached heights due to other reasons, he might still have at least been still in the team as an average player if he had kept his fitness. I guess it's also assuming, but I do kind of feel if umar had a great worth ethic about his fitness, I think it would have lended discipline in other areas, hence he might of been a bit more disciplined in his shots. Maybe overreaching there.

The things Azam is doing is very rare. Azam's even aware of this himself. His average and SR in leagues given he plays middle/lower order is pretty incredible. And he does it being obese, not maximising singles, and his weight also affects his reflexes. And yet he still gets those numbers. Can only imagine how good he'd be if he was actually anywhere close to healthy weight.

Maybe ruined their career is the wrong phrase. Maybe better to say that every single talented player we had either had no integrity and fixed, or didn't care enough about fitness. Or both. Babar is the exception.
I watched the 2012 series. Jamshed played numerous rash shots, as soon as the drinks break ended, the commentators even mentioned that jamshed looked like he wanted to get out every delivery and didn't have the nerves to settle. Multiple times he top edged the delivery but it landed in no man's land.

Average players can score here and their, shehzad has done it multiple times but that doesn't mean I'd bring him back.

Shehzad was ironically more talented then jamshed, dude was a breakout star in BPL and scored a 100 on debut, also was the first pakistani player to score 100 in all formats, but he had issues and he didn't work on them.

Judging a player based of 2 hundreds and then claiming their lack of form due to other bad performances is not an ideal metric.

Haris didn't take his fitness seriously I agree, he was chubby, but fitness and knee injuries are 2 seprate things, Theirs no amount of gym in diet in the world that can fix that, He needed genuine surgery and after surgery couldn't recover fully.

Umar didn't decline, he didnt improve and remained at stage one, scoring a few 100 here and their including a great 100 in 2014 against Afghanistan from a collapsed position doesn't mean he was goated. He had talent but was genuinely stupid when it came to understanding game conditions and field placements.

I'm not denying what you're saying about fitness, but fitness is not what determines a goat player. Steven Smith and root and even most of England atm are beyond fit and healthy, yet their lack of form has nothing to do with fitness.

As for azam Khan disagree in everything you said.
 
We can't really expect anything new from Babar in this World Cup. This guy really can't handle pressure at all so another failure tournament is on the cards.
 
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