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Two babies and 11 mothers and nurses have been killed in an attack on a hospital in the Afghan capital.

Another 15 people, including a number of children, were injured when several gunmen attacked the Kabul hospital on Tuesday morning, officials said.

Part of the hospital is run by the international medical charity, Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF), and some of those working there are foreigners.

Meanwhile, in the east, an attack at a police funeral has killed at least 24.

Dozens more were injured in that bomb blast and casualty numbers in both attacks could rise. It is not clear who carried out either attack.

In Kabul, locals heard two blasts, then gunfire. One doctor who fled during the assault, which began at about 10:00 local time (05:30 GMT), told the BBC about 180 people were in the hospital when the gunmen began their attack.

Afghan special forces have rescued 100 women and children, including three foreigners, an official told the BBC.

The attackers, who gained access dressed as police officers, according to news agency Reuters, were all killed by security personnel after a battle lasting hours.

Images from the scene of the attack showed soldiers carrying one newborn baby to safety, swaddled in a blood-stained blanket. It is not clear if the infant had been injured.

The Dasht-e-Barchi Hospital has a maternity wing run by MSF. Many foreign staff live in a guesthouse behind the hospital building and a doctor who fled the building told the BBC he saw an explosion there too.

The Taliban, who signed a withdrawal agreement with the United States more than two months ago, have denied involvement.

In the past, similar attacks on foreign and other civilians in this mostly Shia area of the capital have been attributed to the Islamic State (IS) militant group, which has not yet issued a statement. The group's leader in South Asia and the Far East was arrested in Kabul on Tuesday, with two other high profile members, Afghan intelligence said.

In 2017, IS gunmen disguised as medical staff attacked Kabul's main military hospital, prompting widespread shock and anger and raising questions about security. The authorities later confirmed about 50 people had been killed.

But the Taliban also attack hospitals. Last September, 20 people died after a truck packed with explosives was detonated by militants from the group outside a hospital in southern Zabul province.

In the eastern province of Nangarhar, a member of the provincial council was among those killed in the attack on Tuesday on the funeral procession of a local police commander.

According to survivors, thousands of people had gathered for the funeral. The bomb detonated about half-way through.

Ataullah Khogyani, a spokesman for the governor, said another 68 people were injured.

Zabat Amir Mohammad, a former member of the Nangarhar provincial council, told local news outlet Sharq TV that "it was difficult to identify" the bodies among the wounded and killed.

The Taliban have denied carrying out the attack, although it remains unclear who was behind it and the group have denied responsibility in the past for attacks they are accused of.

In northern Balkh province, at least 10 people have been killed and as many others injured in an air strike by US forces, reports say.

Local residents and the Taliban claim the victims were all civilians. But the Afghan Defence Ministry said all those killed were militants.

Since the February peace deal, talks have broken down over a prisoner swap agreed between the US and the Taliban and violence has continued unabated. IS were not part of the negotiations.

The agreement was aimed at ending more than 18 years of war since US-led forces ousted the Taliban from power following the 9/11 attacks on the US, whose mastermind Osama Bin Laden had been given sanctuary by the hardline Islamist group.

Tens of thousands of people, most of them civilians, have been killed in the conflict. Many more have been injured or displaced from their homes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52631071
 
Sad, devastating, heart-breaking and a pure act of evil.
 
When is this madness going to stop? I can't even comprehend anyone doing things like this.
 
ohh my god. May god bless these poor souls.

But seriously how can one even kill babies or helpless women ? This is beyond me & pure evil
 
At least 24 people have been killed and dozens more wounded in a suicide blast at a funeral in eastern Afghanistan, according to the local government, in one of two attacks to hit the country.

The attacker detonated his explosives in the middle of the funeral ceremony in Kuz Kunar district on Tuesday, Atahullah Khogyani, spokesman for the governor of Nangarhar province, said.

Mourners had gathered for the funeral of the commander of the district's police force, Shaykh Akram, who died of a heart attack on Monday night, when the bomber struck, Khogyani said.

According to a provincial council member, dozens of people, including politicians, provincial council members and locals had gathered for the funeral of Shaikh Akram, the militia commander.

The Taliban denied responsibility for the attack.

Battle-weary Nangarhar near the Pakistan border has long been a stronghold for both ISIL (ISIS) and the Taliban and has witnessed some of the hardest fighting in recent years.

Separately, attackers stormed a maternity hospital in the western part of the Afghan capital on Tuesday, setting off a gun battle with police, officials said.

Afghan forces carried out newborn babies and their mothers as they evacuated the hospital. At least four people were reported wounded.

The violence comes just a day after four roadside bombs exploded in a northern district of Kabul, wounding four civilians including a child.

The bombings were later claimed by ISIL, according to the SITE intelligence group.

In March, at least 25 people were killed by a gunman at a Sikh temple in Kabul, which was later claimed by the group.

In recent months, the armed group has suffered mounting setbacks after being hunted by US and Afghan forces as well as Taliban offensives targeting their fighters, but it still retains the ability to launch major assaults on urban centres.

The Taliban has largely refrained from launching huge attacks on Afghan cities since February when they signed a landmark withdrawal deal with the US meant to pave the way for peace talks with the Kabul government.

Under the agreement, the Taliban promised not to target forces from the US-led coalition, but made no such pledge towards Afghan troops and has since stepped up attacks in the provinces.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...argets-funeral-nangarhar-200512081739828.html
 
This is the face of Taliban.

This is Taliban and their by product.

The Taliban have explicitly denied any involvement in the attack the moment it began before its consequences were clear.

Let's allow the pain of the effected to decrease and the facts to come out before playing the blame game. War is a dirty business and there are no angels in a war.
 
Oh dear God ! There's no humanity left anymore.

Heartfelt condolences !
 
The Taliban have explicitly denied any involvement in the attack the moment it began before its consequences were clear.

Let's allow the pain of the effected to decrease and the facts to come out before playing the blame game. War is a dirty business and there are no angels in a war.

It's obviously not the Taliban. Why would they want to jeopardise their own peace plan? I don't like to throw around baseless accusations, but since Mr Pro-India has chimed in, let me give my two penn'orth. I think this is a false flag operation launched by the forces fighting the Taliban in a desperate attempt to stop the peace deal with the USA. That would be far more logical.
 
The Taliban have explicitly denied any involvement in the attack the moment it began before its consequences were clear.

Let's allow the pain of the effected to decrease and the facts to come out before playing the blame game. War is a dirty business and there are no angels in a war.

Taliban is not one homogeneous group. This is the byproduct of their dirty ideology. Do you really believe Taliban? They have throughout it's history killed civilians.
 
Taliban is not one homogeneous group. This is the byproduct of their dirty ideology. Do you really believe Taliban? They have throughout it's history killed civilians.

Taliban's leadership has demonstrated that they have a strong control over their fighters. That's why before signing the agreement they were forced to display their control and asked their fighters for a 7 day reduction in violence which then led US forces to admit that the leadership is genuine.

The situation is simple by 10th March 6000 prisoners of both sides were to be released and that would have led to an intra-afghan negotiations and hopefully to ultimate ceasefire and peace. However from day 1 Ghani tried to be an obstacle. He initially he said he wont release a single Taliban prisone. Now about 1000 have been released, only a delay in peace process was gained.

If Taliban's ideology revolved around killing civilians they wouldn't be able to command such a large support. 20 years have passed and their support and strength is larger than before. 20 years is a very long time and it means currently their are fighter in the Taliban rank who were only toddlers when US invaded Afghanistan.

In war all side kills innocents and civilians. There are no angels.

Let's remind us of this incident of October 2015. When US forces bombed an hospital run by Medecins Sans Frontieres

“This event is utterly tragic, inexcusable, and possibly even criminal,” Zeid said. “International and Afghan military planners have an obligation to respect and protect civilians at all times, and medical facilities and personnel are the object of a special protection. These obligations apply no matter whose air force is involved, and irrespective of the location."

According to Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF), pro-Government forces had been informed of the precise location of the medical facilities. While it has yet to be established whether or not the hospital or immediate surroundings were the target of the attack, or were recklessly endangered by it, according to MSF airstrikes continued to hit the area for a further 30 minutes after pro-Government forces were informed they were endangering a medical facility. A U.S. spokesperson has reportedly been quoted saying U.S planes were carrying out airstrikes at around the time the hospital was hit.

https://www.ohchr.org/SP/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16564&LangID=E


Afghanistan war: UN says more civilians killed by allies than insurgents
The latest data has been revealed as Washington and the Taliban continue negotiations over US troop withdrawals.

Air strikes, mostly carried out by American warplanes, killed 363 people, including 89 children, in the first six months of the year, according to the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (Unama).

The US military has rejected Unama's findings, saying its own collection of evidence was more accurate and that its forces in Afghanistan "always work to avoid harm to civilian non-combatants". But it did not give its own figures for civilian casualties.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49165676

Those who really long for peace in the region need to critical look at the events unfolding and not be subdued by hateful propaganda and interests of those who benefit the most from ongoing war. A lot of ideologies are emerging from this Afghan conflict and there is a lot of emotion, pain and pride at stake. Let's not get blinded by it.
 
Really sad images.... New born babies wrapped in blood stained blankets



Typically modus operandi of Taliban dogs just like they attacked Army Public School in Peshawar. Once the Americans leave the Afghan government should request Pakistani army for support and training in dealing with these dogs. Each of them needs to be hunted and gifted a bullet between the eyes.
 
The pain of those killed hasn't even decreased yet and the victims are still bleeding. What does Ghani do? Holds a TV broadcast and asks for more killings.

Remember Taliban have been patient to see the peace agreement go through and haven't announced their deadly spring offensive this year.

Ghani Orders Forces into ‘Offensive’ Mode Against Taliban

President Ashraf Ghani, in light of recent attacks in different parts of the country that killed dozens of civilians and security force members, orders the Afghan forces to switch from “active defensive” mode to “offensive” mode, and to resume attacks on the Taliban, in a public address on Tuesday night.

In a televised message, Ghani said the Taliban have ignored repeated calls for reduced violence and ceasefire.

He added that a call for a ceasefire does not mean weakness--it shows a commitment to peace. He once again called on the Taliban to embrace peace.

The Afghan forces were in "active defensive" mode since late February when the Taliban agreed to reduce violence in exchange for signing a peace deal with the United States. But their attacks surged dramatically after they signed the deal in late February.

Ghani’s message comes after four deadly attacks happening in different parts of the country, including one in Kabul that targeted a maternity hospital, killing women and children, and an attack on a funeral ceremony in Nangarhar, that killed dozens.

https://tolonews.com/afghanistan/ghani-orders-forces-offensive-mode-against-taliban

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghan</a> president has ordered Afghan security forces to go on full offensive against the Taliban. So again, ask yourself: who benefits from this situation? <a href="https://t.co/jDKMXbhs8X">https://t.co/jDKMXbhs8X</a></p>— Sangar Paykhar/ سنګر پیکار (@paykhar) <a href="https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1260231956450750464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Note:

Taliban denied the attack on the hospital and on the funeral ceremony.

It took them two years to finally agree with the US forces and sign the treaty to bring peace in Afghanistan. Since the first day Ashraf Ghani and the warlords who benefited from the US invasion have been speaking against the treatment. They tried their best to slow down the peace process like not releasing the prisoners of Taliban as agreed upon by the US but instead they saw no problem in releasing 1000s of criminals, murderers and drug dealers due to COVID-19. They are repeatedly telling US forces to stay in Afghanistan.

As per US spokespersons in Afghanistan, Taliban can attack on Afghan forces in rural areas and it is not counted as violation of the agreement. After signing the agreement Taliban haven't attacked any big city in Afghanistan as agreed with the US forces.

Taliban have repeatedly said that after the prisoners are release they want to sit on the table with representatives of all segments of Afghan society and not just the warlord in Kabul, to discuss a possible way to bring peace in the region.

ISIS was active in eastern Afghanistan in areas controlled by Taliban. Taliban fought them viciously and many of ISIS fighters surrendered to Afghan government to escape the attack by Taliban. If ISIS is active anywhere in Afghanistan right now then it's in place like Kabul which are under the control of the Afghan government.

Right now the Afghan society is heavily polarized and this will further increase the distance. This is an attentional sabotage of the peace process and I am afraid more war is ahead. Taliban have been quite patient so far despite many violations by the US forces and a delay in prison release which was promised to be completed by 10th March.

Taliban can't be eliminated, they are a big segment of Afghan society. They are the rulers of rural Afghanistan which makes up the majority of the country. US forces fought them for 20 years and realized this. Ghani is afraid of losing his only place of power in Kabul, which he only gained thanks to this war. He has become a mad person and wants to further drag the region into endless war.

Does anyone really think this offensive by Afghan forces is really going to defeat the Taliban where American forces failed?

Taliban are killing Afghan national forces left and right.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Taliban relentlessly pounded the ANA, police, etc. for 2.5 months (since the signing of the U.S.-Taliban withdrawal deal) before the Afghan government put to end its "active defense." Not that the ANA is all that effective on the offensive, mind you. <a href="https://t.co/HlqITssA5Y">https://t.co/HlqITssA5Y</a></p>— Bill Roggio (@billroggio) <a href="https://twitter.com/billroggio/status/1260241379197845504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Would a force who can actively destroy the enemy forces fall so low as to attack an hospital? Never in the 20 years of war have Taliban fighters attacked a hospital! Why do now when you have the upper hand and the foreign forces are about to leave?

Ghani is a power hungry man surrounded by the warlords. Everyone in Kabul is a power hungry person, which explains why they have two presidents simultaneously.

Some voices by Afghans who are aware of the situation and wanting nothing more than peace in their country:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As usual <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabulbubble?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabulbubble</a> looks for any opportunity to discredit peace efforts. After all, their sons and daughters are not the ones dying on the frontline everyday. <a href="https://t.co/c50BDkoChu">https://t.co/c50BDkoChu</a></p>— Sangar Paykhar/ سنګر پیکار (@paykhar) <a href="https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1260241698258587648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question arises about those hundreds of ISKP fighters who surrendered to Kabul while evading Taliban offensive! What happened to them! Why are they not being publicly prosecuted! Is Kabul deliberately saving them in order to use them later in such attacks!</p>— Ahmad Yar (@Ahmdyarr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ahmdyarr/status/1260234994208911361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

While the whole world is focussed on the elite in Kabul the locals in the rural Afghanistan are protesting against the airstrike that took place last night. An innocent killed is an innocent killed doesn't matter if in Kabul or outside Kabul.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So far neither <a href="https://twitter.com/TOLOnews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TOLOnews</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/1TVNewsAF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@1TVNewsAF</a> nor <a href="https://twitter.com/khaama?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@khaama</a> have reported the incident. <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcafghanistan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bbcafghanistan</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/bbcpashto?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bbcpashto</a> are the only major news outlets reporting it.</p>— Paktﻯawal (@Paktyaw4l) <a href="https://twitter.com/Paktyaw4l/status/1260195491763159040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In June 2019 you said you will break the Taliban's back in 4 months. What happened? <a href="https://t.co/NBjQ9qa3vN">https://t.co/NBjQ9qa3vN</a></p>— Tareq Kakar (@TareqKakar) <a href="https://twitter.com/TareqKakar/status/1260213980846571521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

"4 more months to defeat Taliban" :kakmal

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ps" dir="rtl">څه د بې کفایته حکومت دی!<br> کابل نشي خوندي کولی، په ولس بمبار، په وردګو کې ولس په توپونو ولي، غور کې عام خلک په مرمیو غلبیل کړ، په واک جنګ، بس خولې يې خلاصي کړي دېته ښکنځل، ها غه ته ښکنځل!<br>غني او ماشوم ټامیان يې پوهيږي چې سوله ددوی د سیاسي مرګ په مانا ده، ټوله ترهګرې دو کې ده! <a href="https://t.co/c6CZuvfTnC">pic.twitter.com/c6CZuvfTnC</a></p>— Faiz Zaland (@zalandfaizm) <a href="https://twitter.com/zalandfaizm/status/1260199756728619009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Translation:
What an incompetent government!
Kabul cannot be saved, the people are bombed, the people in Wardak are killed by artillery, the people in Ghor are defeated by bullets, the war for power is over, they just open their mouths.
Ghani and his baby Tomian know that peace means their political death, all terrorism is in the two!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A random survey!!<br>Read tweets of all government related Accounts, officials after d blood shed of past 24hrs in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a>. Instead of feeling guilty, shame & responsibility, they are all propagating for more violence, war & anti peace actions.<br><br>Peace is a suicide for them! <a href="https://t.co/a0C3O2gwbP">pic.twitter.com/a0C3O2gwbP</a></p>— Faiz Zaland (@zalandfaizm) <a href="https://twitter.com/zalandfaizm/status/1260196726893424641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="rtl">جګړه!<br>Ghani must bring his son, cabinet members shld join d fight to get back to war, They shldn't sacrifice our innocent youngsters 4r their power struggle!<br>طارق غني سره له ټامیانو باید د هلمند، لغمان د جګړو اول خط ته ولاړ شي!<br>غني دې نور زموږ ځوانان د واک په جګړه کې نه قربانوي! <a href="https://t.co/Ow1tXWLDhY">pic.twitter.com/Ow1tXWLDhY</a></p>— Faiz Zaland (@zalandfaizm) <a href="https://twitter.com/zalandfaizm/status/1260243807641186304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="fa" dir="rtl">از اعلاناتی که امریکایی ساخته از طریق رسانه های وابسته بخود نشر مینمایند و در آن بصورت دوامدار برای بزرگ نمایی داعش تبلیغ میکنند هویداست که باید منتظر حملاتی مانند وحشت های امروزی در کشور بود: مرحله و شکل جدید جنگ امریکا در افغانستان!!</p>— Abdul Karim Khurram (@KarimKhurram_KK) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarimKhurram_KK/status/1260207434494365698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy was the former Chief of Staff to the President of Afghanistan Hamid Karzai

Translation: It is clear from the announcements made by the Americans through their sponsernd media that they are constantly promoting ISIS in order to exaggerate the situation, and it is clear that they are waiting for attacks such as today's horrors in the country: the new stage and form of the US war in Afghanistan.

People outside the Kabul bubble are doubtful of Kabul insisting on blaming the Taliban:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Is Kabul blaming the Taliban for involvement in/assistance w/these recent attacks and using that blame as a potential pretext to step back from talks it's not comfortable with? Doubtful. Is it threatening to walk away to try to improve its bargaining position in talks? Possibly.</p>— Michael Kugelman (@MichaelKugelman) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelKugelman/status/1260219390148182016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here's the thing: the claims from Afghan govt officials & ANDSF are not to be taken at face value. There's a reason why we use the term "claim(s)" when reporting on their statements. Many of these are extremely corrupt officials. Americans know it. NATO knows it. Afghans know it. <a href="https://t.co/JZ69XB7RIT">https://t.co/JZ69XB7RIT</a></p>— FJ (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1260240679332122625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There's also the question why do ISKP members feel comfortable in surrendering to ANDSF instead of Taliban? We have seen that over and over again in Kunar and in Nangarhar. And what happens to these surrendered ISKP members after that? Nobody seems to know.</p>— FJ (@Natsecjeff) <a href="https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1260241417433231365?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Even NATO in Afghanistan knows who to objective while Ghani is using this oppertunity to further his war mongering policy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“I strongly condemn today’s attacks in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabul</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Nangahar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Nangahar</a> targeting innocent civilians. My deepest condolences to the families of those killed.I commend the efforts of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ANDSF?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ANDSF</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NATO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NATO</a> stands with the people of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> in the fight against terrorism"-Deputy SCR Nicholas Dean</p>— NATO in Afghanistan (@NATOscr) <a href="https://twitter.com/NATOscr/status/1260165262130765825?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Note these are tweets by people who follow the Afghan conflict closely and have a better understanding of the dynamics then the average guy.

Ever since the peace agreement was signed we saw these 3 heinous attacks never before seen in Kabul in such quick succession.

Attack on Shia ceremony claimed by ISIS
Attack on Sikh temple claimed by ISIS
Attack on a hospital denied by Taliban claimed by ???

Kabul is a well protected area and attacks there aren't as much a norm as outside Kabul.
 
Anti-peace elements behind civilian massacres

Following the signing of the historical agreement in Qatar on 29th of February 2020, the enemies of peace have also begun working overtime to wreck havoc and cause confusions in an effort to obstruct the successful implementation of the agreement aimed at bringing lasting peace to Afghanistan. We have seen that the past few months and this week in particular have proven deadly for innocent Afghan civilians. In this Holy month of Ramadan, the criminal Kabul administration has targeted protests, clinics and gatherings in provinces of Wardak, Ghor and Balkh.

Today the enemies of peace again carried out heinous assaults on a funeral in Nangarhar and a hospital in Kabul. There is now an emerging pattern that whenever a step is taken forward towards peace, the enemies of peace simultaneously begin committing crimes and the shameless Kabul regime — the beneficiary of war in Afghanistan — immediately pins the blame on the Mujahideen even though it is the criminal anti-peace Kabul based administration that sheltered and continues to shelter terrorists like the so called Daesh in Kabul guesthouses after evacuating them to safety from the forces of the Islamic Emirate who destroyed their bases and liberated the poor common Afghans from their brutalities and cruelties. Such elements are used by anti-peace elements to strike soft targets and cause casualties among the civilians.

The sole purpose of Islamic Emirate of is to liberate the people from oppression and bring peace and prosperity to the people of Afghanistan. Safeguarding the lives and properties of common Afghans is duty of every soldier of the Islamic Emirate and each is deeply saddened by such incidents thus causing them to strive that much harder to bring stability to their homeland and eliminate all enemies of peace.

The Kabul based administration’s so called security sector made up of CIA deaths squads and mercenaries of foreign intelligence agencies are the ones responsible for these recent crimes against humanity in Kabul and Nangarhar, just like the ones which took place over the past 24 hours in other provinces. These Kabul administration security heads are known and documented criminals, a fact widely reported by international organizations.

The International community should know that it is this very regime that is using every despicable tactic in the playbook to try and sabotage peace efforts however these Kabul-based elitists and war profiteers heading the double-headed criminal enterprise will not succeed because there now exists a regional and international consensus for bringing peace to Afghanistan.

Official statement by The Taliban in response to today's attack.

Note: Taliban aren't considered a terrorist organization by US and Twitter. There posts even the ones depicting violence aren't taken down by twitter nor are their accounts banned.
 
Really sad images.... New born babies wrapped in blood stained blankets



Typically modus operandi of Taliban dogs just like they attacked Army Public School in Peshawar. Once the Americans leave the Afghan government should request Pakistani army for support and training in dealing with these dogs. Each of them needs to be hunted and gifted a bullet between the eyes.

The Afghan government doesn't want the foreign forces to leave.

By blaming Taliban the Afghan government is actually blaming Pakistan. They accuse Pakistan of training them, sheltering them and providing them with targets. You are being delusional if you think the current Afghan government would even humor the idea of working together with Pakistani forces.

FYI, Afghan Taliban condemned the APS attack in Peshawar.

Afghan Taliban Condemn Attack On Pakistan School

The Afghanistan Taliban have condemned an attack by the Pakistani Taliban on a school in Pakistan that killed 141 people on Tuesday.

“The intentional killing of innocent people, children and women are against the basics of Islam and this criteria has to be considered by every Islamic party and government,” Zabihullah Mujahid said in a statement.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pakistan-afghan-taliban_n_6335582

Afghan Taliban can't be eliminated unlike TTP they represent a significant portion of the rural Afghanistan. Peace in Afghanistan can be only achieved if all the different segments of Afghan society come together and negotiate a peace deal among them. It won't come by enforcing a foreign backed regime on them nor by violently trying to take over the whole country.
 
Really sad images.... New born babies wrapped in blood stained blankets



Typically modus operandi of Taliban dogs just like they attacked Army Public School in Peshawar. Once the Americans leave the Afghan government should request Pakistani army for support and training in dealing with these dogs. Each of them needs to be hunted and gifted a bullet between the eyes.

We still can't deal with the MQM dogs but you want us to jump in another country.
 
Killing innocent babies in the month of Ramadan.

I don't know what to say.

Regardless of political position, whoever did this has crossed the line.
 
Killing innocent babies in the month of Ramadan.

I don't know what to say.

Regardless of political position, whoever did this has crossed the line.

It was a maternity hospital, many pregnant women and newborns.

This is not the matter of crossing the line!
This is way beyond humanity, way beyong any stretch of imagination!

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This is how strong and deep the rivalry and animosity between Taliban and ISIS is. Instead surrendering to Taliban when faces with defeat ISIS fighters have repeatedly chosen to run to Afghan forces and surrender.

The Taliban reportedly just beat ISIS so badly that more than 200 fighters surrendered to the Afghan government

About 200 to 250 ISIS fighters turned themselves into the Afghan government on Wednesday after a fierce two-day battle against the Taliban in the northern province of Jawzjan, according to The New York Times.

"The evil phenomenon of Daesh has completely been eliminated and people have been freed from its tortures in Jawzjan province of Afghanistan," Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said in a statement, using an Arabic term for the group.

"It was a dark night, a pell-mell situation," Mufti Nemat, one of ISIS' two top commanders who surrendered, told the New York Times by phone. "For two to three nights, we have been unable to sleep; we are very exhausted."

The Taliban launched an offensive several weeks ago in Jawzjan against ISIS, which they oppose as much as they do the Western-backed government in Kabul and which has established an unmatched reputation for brutality.
https://www.businessinsider.in/the-...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

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A foreign Islamic State group fighter, second right, speaks to a journalist after he surrendered to government security forces in the Darzab district of Jawzjan province, north of Kabul, Afghanistan, Wednesday, Aug. 1, 2018

Have any of the ISIS members been publicly hanged yet? Or did Kabul govt. saw it as the enemy of my enemy is my friend type opportunity?


 
Islamabad, May 12 (PTI) Pakistan on Tuesday strongly condemned the "inhuman and cowardly terrorist" attacks on a medical facility in Kabul and on a funeral ceremony in Afghanistan''s Nangarhar province.

The Foreign Office in a statement said, "These terrorist acts are particularly despicable as they take place in the holy month of Ramzan and at a time when Afghanistan is grappling with COVID-19 pandemic."

"Pakistan condemns inhuman and cowardly terrorist attacks, which resulted in the loss of precious human lives," it said, extending heartfelt sympathies and condolences to the families of the victims and prayers for early recovery of those injured.

Militants attacked a maternity hospital in Kabul on Tuesday, killing 14 people, including two newborn babies, their mothers and an unspecified number of nurses.

In a separate attack the same day, a suicide bomber targeted a funeral ceremony in Nangahar province -- a hotbed of the Islamic State group, killing at least 24 people and injuring 68.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility for either attack.

The Foreign Office said Pakistan condemns terrorism in all its forms and manifestations and will continue to support a peaceful and stable Afghanistan.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/pakistan-condemns-terrorist-attacks-in-afghanistan/1832304
 
Killing innocent babies in the month of Ramadan.

I don't know what to say.

Regardless of political position, whoever did this has crossed the line.

I'm sorry, but this is all about politics, and there is only one group that gains from it. It's a last desperate attempt to keep US forces in Afghanistan by trying to kill the peace deal with the Taliban with this false flag attack. Despicable act indeed, but nothing is too low for combatants in that country. You just have to look at the history of wars in Afghanistan.
 
Official press statment by the US secretary of State Mike Pompeo

Condemning Heinous Terrorist Attacks in Afghanistan Today
PRESS STATEMENT

The United States condemns in the strongest terms the two horrific terrorist attacks in Afghanistan today. In an unconscionable assault, gunmen seized one of Kabul’s busiest hospitals, which housed a maternity ward run by Doctors Without Borders. In the hospital, the terrorists took the lives of at least 13 innocent people, including newborn babies, new mothers, and health care workers. Any attack on innocents is unforgivable, but to attack infants and women in labor in the sanctuary of a hospital is an act of sheer evil.

Separately, in the eastern province of Nangarhar, a suicide bomber attacked the funeral of a local police commander, leaving at least 26 people dead and more than 68 wounded. Terrorists who attack mourners lining up for prayer at a funeral are only seeking to tear apart the bonds that hold families and communities together, but they will never succeed. Our thoughts are with the victims and their families of both attacks, as well as the brave Afghan security forces who defended against the terrorists.

During the holy month of Ramadan and amidst the threat of COVID-19, these dual attacks are particularly appalling. We note the Taliban have denied any responsibility and condemned both attacks as heinous. The Taliban and the Afghan government should cooperate to bring the perpetrators to justice. As long as there is no sustained reduction in violence and insufficient progress towards a negotiated political settlement, Afghanistan will remain vulnerable to terrorism. The Afghan people deserve a future free from terror, and the ongoing peace process continues to present a critical opportunity for Afghans to come together to build a united front against the menace of terrorism.

https://www.state.gov/condemning-heinous-terrorist-attacks-in-afghanistan-today/

Things to note:

No comment on claims by civilians mourning of losing their loved one in an airstrike, last night.

He accepts the Taliban's denying of any involvement in the attacks.

Doesn't endorse Ghani's propaganda to further the war, instead calls for a cooperation between Taliban and government.
 
This is sickening beyond sickening, satanic beyond satanic and sad beyond sad. Lost for words.
 
US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has condemned a militant attack on a maternity ward in Kabul, Afghanistan.

Two babies and 12 mothers and nurses were killed when several gunmen stormed the hospital on Tuesday morning.

Meanwhile, in the eastern province of Nangarhar, a bombing at a funeral killed at least 26 people.

Mr Pompeo said: "Any attack on innocents is unforgiveable, but to attack infants and women in labour... is an act of sheer evil."

"Terrorists who attack mourners lining up for prayer at a funeral are only seeking to tear apart the bonds that hold families and communities together, but they will never succeed."

He added: "During the holy month of Ramadan and amidst the threat of Covid-19, these dual attacks are particularly appalling."

In the wake of the attacks, President Ashraf Ghani said he was ordering the resumption of offensive operations against the Taliban and other groups.

He accused the militants of ignoring repeated calls for a reduction in violence.

The Islamic State (IS) group said it was behind the attack on a police commander's funeral in Nangarhar, in the east of the country. It is still not clear who carried out the attack at the Dasht-e-Barchi hospital, and the Taliban have denied any involvement.

What happened at the hospital?
The Kabul attack began at about 10:00 (05:30 GMT) on Tuesday, and locals described hearing two blasts then gunfire. One doctor who fled during the assault told the BBC about 140 people were in the hospital when the gunmen attacked.

A maternity ward in the hospital is run by the international medical charity Médecins sans Frontières (MSF) and some of those working there are foreigners.

Another doctor told AFP news agency that "total panic" took hold as the assault unfolded.

Ramazan Ali, a vendor who saw the attack begin, told Reuters news agency: "The attackers were shooting at anyone in this hospital without any reason... It's a government hospital, and a lot of people bring in their women and children for treatment."

Afghan special forces rescued 100 women and children, including three foreigners, an official told the BBC. The attackers, who reportedly had gained access dressed as police officers, were all killed by security personnel after a battle lasting hours.

Images from the scene showed soldiers carrying one newborn baby to safety, swaddled in a blood-stained blanket.

Many foreign staff live in a guesthouse behind the Dasht-e-Barchi Hospital and a doctor who fled the building told the BBC he saw an explosion there too.

In the past, similar attacks in this mostly Shia area of the capital have been attributed to IS. The group's leader in South Asia and the Far East was arrested in Kabul on Tuesday, with two other high profile members, Afghan intelligence said.

In 2017, IS gunmen disguised as medical staff attacked Kabul's main military hospital, prompting widespread shock and anger and raising questions about security. The authorities later confirmed about 50 people had been killed.

But the Taliban also attack hospitals. Last September, 20 people died after a truck packed with explosives was detonated by militants from the group outside a hospital in southern Zabul province.

On TV, Mr Ghani said: "In order to provide security for public places and to thwart attacks and threats from the Taliban and other terrorist groups, I'm ordering Afghan security forces to switch from an active defence mode to an offensive one and to resume their operations against the enemies."

Fragile hope shaken
Even in a country which has seen the worst of the worst, this savage attack on newborn babies and their mothers has shocked, and shaken fragile hope this would be the year Afghanistan would finally start to turn towards peace.

Images of special forces in bulky body armour, carrying infants to safety, will remain long in the memory of those who have repeatedly called for a ceasefire - especially when Afghans are battling another deadly enemy in Covid-19.

Despite Taliban denials that this ghastly attack was their work, President Ghani's denunciation reflects the anger and frustration of many. Some worry that groups like Islamic State, trying to drive an even greater wedge between Taliban and the government, have also killed for now what were slow uncertain steps toward peace talks.

And for those who have never trusted the Taliban's commitment, this latest attack solidifies their resolve to keep fighting.

What happened at the funeral?
According to survivors, thousands of people had gathered in Nangarhar province for a local police commander's funeral, and the bomb detonated about half-way through. Ataullah Khogyani, a spokesman for the governor, said 68 people were injured.

A member of the provincial council was among the at least 24 killed.

Tuesday's attacks were widely condemned by countries around the world and human rights groups, with Amnesty International saying: "The unconscionable war crimes in Afghanistan today... must awaken the world to the horrors civilians continue to face."

On Twitter, UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said: "I'm horrified by the appalling terrorist attacks in Afghanistan today - including on a maternity hospital. Targeting mothers, their newborns and medical staff is despicable."

Meanwhile, in northern Balkh province, at least 10 people were killed and many others injured in an air strike by US forces, reports said. Residents and the Taliban claimed the victims were all civilians, but the Afghan Defence Ministry said all those killed were militants.

What's going on with Afghan peace talks?
Since a February troop withdrawal agreement signed between the US and the Taliban, talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban have broken down over a prisoner swap and violence has continued unabated.

The agreement was aimed at ending more than 18 years of war since US-led forces ousted the Taliban from power following the 9/11 attacks on the US, whose mastermind Osama Bin Laden had been given sanctuary by the hardline Islamist group.

Tens of thousands of people, most of them civilians, have been killed in the conflict. Many more have been injured or displaced from their homes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52642503
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The attack on innocent children and women in Kabul in the holy month of Ramzan is barbarianism.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabulattack?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabulattack</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1260343926730481664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
One of the most saddest thing I have ever heard this is terrible Who kill babies? What do you gain from it?
 
The Afghan government doesn't want the foreign forces to leave.

By blaming Taliban the Afghan government is actually blaming Pakistan. They accuse Pakistan of training them, sheltering them and providing them with targets. You are being delusional if you think the current Afghan government would even humor the idea of working together with Pakistani forces.

FYI, Afghan Taliban condemned the APS attack in Peshawar.

Afghan Taliban Condemn Attack On Pakistan School


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/pakistan-afghan-taliban_n_6335582

Afghan Taliban can't be eliminated unlike TTP they represent a significant portion of the rural Afghanistan. Peace in Afghanistan can be only achieved if all the different segments of Afghan society come together and negotiate a peace deal among them. It won't come by enforcing a foreign backed regime on them nor by violently trying to take over the whole country.

If you are implying that the Taliban have not killed any civilians then you are grossly wrong! These savages have killed thousands of innocent civilians in bomb and gun attacks.

The Taliban condemned the APS attack because they are morally and financially supported by Pakistan. That is why they are loyal to Pakistan.

Also, when these savages came to power in Afghanistan, the first thing they did was to shut down schools. These monsters do not believe in education. They said western education was forbidden!
 
The Afghans are outdoing our eastern neighbors when it comes to fake news and anti-Pakistan propaganda:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is what found at 100 bed hospital the attacker used for killing infants, unborn babies & mother. <br><br>Pakistan is not Pro-Terrorist state, Pakistan is TERRORIST state. ⁦⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/StateDept?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@StateDept</a>⁩ ⁦⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/USAmbKabul?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@USAmbKabul</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/m6vZQ0wtxo">pic.twitter.com/m6vZQ0wtxo</a></p>— Najeeb Nangyal (@NajeebNangyal) <a href="https://twitter.com/NajeebNangyal/status/1260423688639348737?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy claims to be a "Writer & Political Activist" and has around 22k followers. Quite influential.
 
If you are implying that the Taliban have not killed any civilians then you are grossly wrong! These savages have killed thousands of innocent civilians in bomb and gun attacks.

The Taliban condemned the APS attack because they are morally and financially supported by Pakistan. That is why they are loyal to Pakistan.

Also, when these savages came to power in Afghanistan, the first thing they did was to shut down schools. These monsters do not believe in education. They said western education was forbidden!

As I wrote in another post in war all sides kill innocents and civilians. War is a dirty business and there are no angels in a war. If the 2019 UN report held US forces to be responsible for the most civilian casualties then there are other instances it held the Taliban responsible for most casualties.

Taliban are savages for killing innocents at the same time foreign forces and their allies too have been caught bombing hospitals, wedding ceremonies and meetings of tribal leaders. This comparison isn't an attempt to justify or downplay the atrocities committed. It's an invitation to rethink the narrative of 20 years of war and try a more objective approach.

20 years of trying to vilify, dehumanize and delegitimize the enemy has failed. 20 years of endless fighting and the arrogance by foreign forces and it's local allies to subdue, dominate and make the Taliban surrender by force has failed. This whole war started because Bush was too arrogant to consider Taliban's offer that Bin Laden should be trialed in a court where the US can provide evidence against him. He insisted on taking out Bin Laden and his men by force. An important point that's often ignored when recounting the longest war of America.

Archive video after the events of 9/11 and before Bush attacked. Watch at around 2:20

Ironically after 20 years of war the guy sitting on the left is the same guy US is negotiating with right now in Doha.

You don't have to like them, you may despise and hate them but it won't change the outcome of this 20 years of war so far.

That's why I welcome any attempt to look for another way out and a solution based on mutual compromise and political negotiation might perhaps yield a different outcome. An outcome with less bloodshed and instead more security and peace in the region. At least one could try out this approach after countless military strategies in the past 20 years. After all, if it fails there will always be the option to resort back to war.

Unfortunately the Afghan government led by Ashraf Ghani feels threatened by negotiations because Taliban don't just want to negotiate with the warlords in Kabul but suggest that all Afghan from different segment of the society sit together and negotiate a possible future for the country. The warlords are afraid of losing their monopoly over Kabul Right now, there are two presidents in Afghanistan both claiming to be the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan and the disagreeing haven't been able to resolve their issues. This is why US is running out of patient with its ally in Afghanistan. It not only has to fight an insurgency but also endure the childish games of a bunch of warlords in Kabul.

The repeated claims that Taliban are loyal to Pakistani state is getting old now. The Pakistani state hasn't been able to demonstrate its influence where it mattered. It couldn't persuade Taliban into giving up Bin Laden and handing him over to US. Nor, has it really been able to get Taliban to fight TTP elements which are currently taking shelter in areas under their control. If Taliban can fight ISIS do you really think they can't fight TTP?

It's the most embarrassing thing to see over-zealous Pakistani patriots who listen to Zaid Hamir and cheerlead for the Afghan Taliban as an ISI asset without properly knowing the ground reality. TTP has attacked many military institutions of Pakistani military. If you can show me any official statement by Afghan Taliban condemning those attacks then I might reconsider my opinion.
 
As I wrote in another post in war all sides kill innocents and civilians. War is a dirty business and there are no angels in a war. If the 2019 UN report held US forces to be responsible for the most civilian casualties then there are other instances it held the Taliban responsible for most casualties.

Taliban are savages for killing innocents at the same time foreign forces and their allies too have been caught bombing hospitals, wedding ceremonies and meetings of tribal leaders. This comparison isn't an attempt to justify or downplay the atrocities committed. It's an invitation to rethink the narrative of 20 years of war and try a more objective approach.

20 years of trying to vilify, dehumanize and delegitimize the enemy has failed. 20 years of endless fighting and the arrogance by foreign forces and it's local allies to subdue, dominate and make the Taliban surrender by force has failed. This whole war started because Bush was too arrogant to consider Taliban's offer that Bin Laden should be trialed in a court where the US can provide evidence against him. He insisted on taking out Bin Laden and his men by force. An important point that's often ignored when recounting the longest war of America.

Archive video after the events of 9/11 and before Bush attacked. Watch at around 2:20

Ironically after 20 years of war the guy sitting on the left is the same guy US is negotiating with right now in Doha.

You don't have to like them, you may despise and hate them but it won't change the outcome of this 20 years of war so far.

That's why I welcome any attempt to look for another way out and a solution based on mutual compromise and political negotiation might perhaps yield a different outcome. An outcome with less bloodshed and instead more security and peace in the region. At least one could try out this approach after countless military strategies in the past 20 years. After all, if it fails there will always be the option to resort back to war.

Unfortunately the Afghan government led by Ashraf Ghani feels threatened by negotiations because Taliban don't just want to negotiate with the warlords in Kabul but suggest that all Afghan from different segment of the society sit together and negotiate a possible future for the country. The warlords are afraid of losing their monopoly over Kabul Right now, there are two presidents in Afghanistan both claiming to be the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan and the disagreeing haven't been able to resolve their issues. This is why US is running out of patient with its ally in Afghanistan. It not only has to fight an insurgency but also endure the childish games of a bunch of warlords in Kabul.

The repeated claims that Taliban are loyal to Pakistani state is getting old now. The Pakistani state hasn't been able to demonstrate its influence where it mattered. It couldn't persuade Taliban into giving up Bin Laden and handing him over to US. Nor, has it really been able to get Taliban to fight TTP elements which are currently taking shelter in areas under their control. If Taliban can fight ISIS do you really think they can't fight TTP?

It's the most embarrassing thing to see over-zealous Pakistani patriots who listen to Zaid Hamir and cheerlead for the Afghan Taliban as an ISI asset without properly knowing the ground reality. TTP has attacked many military institutions of Pakistani military. If you can show me any official statement by Afghan Taliban condemning those attacks then I might reconsider my opinion.

Everybody knows Pakistan has considerable influence over the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani Network. A large number of commanders from these outfits- collectively known as Quetta Shura- live in Quetta. Pakistan was one of the only three countries to recognise the Taliban regime.

When Indian passenger jet was hijacked, it was taken to Kabul and what was demanded in return? Release of Kashmiri jihadis. You can link the dots together.

These are just a few examples that prove that Pakistan and Afghan Taliban are on good terms.

Also, why does everybody keep saying that Afghan peace is impossible without Pakistan’s involvement? The same answer again!
 
Everybody knows Pakistan has considerable influence over the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani Network. A large number of commanders from these outfits- collectively known as Quetta Shura- live in Quetta. Pakistan was one of the only three countries to recognise the Taliban regime.

When Indian passenger jet was hijacked, it was taken to Kabul and what was demanded in return? Release of Kashmiri jihadis. You can link the dots together.

These are just a few examples that prove that Pakistan and Afghan Taliban are on good terms.

Also, why does everybody keep saying that Afghan peace is impossible without Pakistan’s involvement? The same answer again!

Yes! when Taliban were in power Pakistan had strong ties with them. No one doubts that. The question is about the situation after US declared the war and Musharraf promised them there full support. Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef the official Taliban diplomat to Islamabad and the guy in the video was sold to Americans ans sent to Guantanamo.

The allegation of Quetta Shura and alike are made by those who have not looked into this properly. It's the typical case of repeating a lie long enough and eventually people will start taking it as a truth.

Remember the drone strikes in Waziristan? Why did they happen and why did they take place?

Because Waziristan was a known safe heaven for militants and therefore in cooperation with Pakistan the whole drone campaign was conducted to eliminate them. Why did none of the militants thought to go hide in Quetta or why didn't Quetta see any anti-militant activity?

Bush, Obama, Trump, countless CIA officials and varying US generals in Afghanistan, do you think none of them had it in them to go after militants hideouts in Quetta? They are pumping billions into this war and somehow couldn't offer the Pakistani generals large enough money to give up the Talibs? Mind you it's the very American generals who made the statement regarding Pakistani army generals that they would even sell their own mothers if given the right amount of money.

Heck, no one even knows how the members of Quetta Shura supposedly look like. We have had the most wanted poster of Bin Laden, Baghdadi, Hakeemullah, Mullah Dadullah and other various militants. Where are the posters of members of Quetta Shura?

There is no such hideouts under the protection of Pakistani military as it is being claimed. At best some Taliban leaders were probably able to sneak in as refugees after the collapse of their regime and are living in Quetta undercover. Pakistan has given the Americans full air surveillance of the region and Americans have been trying endlessly to track down the militant leaders while Pakistani personell was on ground providing human intelligence. They couldn't.

Everything else is either US patriots trying to find excuses for US failure, Afghan nationalists using it to justify their hatred and racism or Pakistani army lovers using it to boast about the army when in all certainty the army is subservient to US commands and can't even use F16 fighters autonomously without respecting the restrictions set up by the Americans.

Being on good terms is different than being loyal to someone or being controlled and sheltered by it. Right now Taliban are in good terms with Russia and Qatar too. Taliban have made multiple statements that they want good relationship with India. Do you think that has a seal of approval by the GHQ, when the whole reason why Pakistani patriot support them is because they see them as a leverage against Indian influence in the region.
 
The number of people who were killed in a militant attack on a maternity ward in the Afghan capital has risen to 24.

Mothers, newborn babies and nurses were among the victims. At least 16 people were injured, the health ministry said.

Tuesday's attack in Kabul prompted widespread condemnation. No group has said it carried it out.

In a second incident that day, a suicide bomber killed at least 32 people at a funeral in Nangarhar, in the east of the country.

President Ashraf Ghani has ordered the resumption of offensive operations against the Taliban and other groups.

He accused the militants of ignoring repeated calls for a reduction in violence.

The Islamic State (IS) group said it was behind the attack on the police commander's funeral in Nangarhar.

It is still not clear who carried out the attack at the Dasht-e-Barchi hospital in Kabul, and the Taliban have denied any involvement.

Relatives of about 15 babies whose mothers were killed have gathered awaiting news of what will happen to the infants, the New York Times reported.

In all, about 100 people were killed in violence around Afghanistan on Tuesday, the paper said. The attacks underline the fragility of peace efforts, and have dimmed hopes for an end to decades of war.

What happened at the hospital?

The Kabul attack began at about 10:00 (05:30 GMT) on Tuesday, and locals described hearing two blasts then gunfire. One doctor who fled during the assault told the BBC that about 140 people were in the hospital when the gunmen attacked.

A maternity ward in the hospital is run by the international medical charity Médecins sans Frontières (MSF) and some of those working there are foreigners.

Another doctor told AFP news agency that "total panic" took hold as the assault unfolded.

Ramazan Ali, a vendor who saw the attack begin, told Reuters news agency: "The attackers were shooting at anyone in this hospital without any reason."

Afghan special forces rescued 100 women and children, including three foreigners, an official told the BBC. The three attackers, who reportedly had gained access dressed as police officers, were all killed by security personnel after a battle lasting hours.

Images from the scene showed soldiers carrying newborn babies swaddled in blood-stained blankets to safety.

In the past, similar attacks in this mostly Shia area of the capital have been attributed to IS. The group's leader in South Asia and the Far East was arrested in Kabul on Monday, with two other high profile members, Afghan intelligence said.

In 2017, IS gunmen disguised as medical staff attacked Kabul's main military hospital, prompting widespread shock and anger and raising questions about security. The authorities later confirmed about 50 people had been killed.

But the Taliban also attack hospitals. Last September, 20 people died after a truck packed with explosives was detonated by militants from the group outside a hospital in southern Zabul province.

On TV, Mr Ghani said: "In order to provide security for public places and to thwart attacks and threats from the Taliban and other terrorist groups, I'm ordering Afghan security forces to switch from an active defence mode to an offensive one and to resume their operations against the enemies."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52642503
 
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Yes! when Taliban were in power Pakistan had strong ties with them. No one doubts that. The question is about the situation after US declared the war and Musharraf promised them there full support. Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef the official Taliban diplomat to Islamabad and the guy in the video was sold to Americans ans sent to Guantanamo.

The allegation of Quetta Shura and alike are made by those who have not looked into this properly. It's the typical case of repeating a lie long enough and eventually people will start taking it as a truth.

Remember the drone strikes in Waziristan? Why did they happen and why did they take place?

Because Waziristan was a known safe heaven for militants and therefore in cooperation with Pakistan the whole drone campaign was conducted to eliminate them. Why did none of the militants thought to go hide in Quetta or why didn't Quetta see any anti-militant activity?

Bush, Obama, Trump, countless CIA officials and varying US generals in Afghanistan, do you think none of them had it in them to go after militants hideouts in Quetta? They are pumping billions into this war and somehow couldn't offer the Pakistani generals large enough money to give up the Talibs? Mind you it's the very American generals who made the statement regarding Pakistani army generals that they would even sell their own mothers if given the right amount of money.

Heck, no one even knows how the members of Quetta Shura supposedly look like. We have had the most wanted poster of Bin Laden, Baghdadi, Hakeemullah, Mullah Dadullah and other various militants. Where are the posters of members of Quetta Shura?

There is no such hideouts under the protection of Pakistani military as it is being claimed. At best some Taliban leaders were probably able to sneak in as refugees after the collapse of their regime and are living in Quetta undercover. Pakistan has given the Americans full air surveillance of the region and Americans have been trying endlessly to track down the militant leaders while Pakistani personell was on ground providing human intelligence. They couldn't.

Everything else is either US patriots trying to find excuses for US failure, Afghan nationalists using it to justify their hatred and racism or Pakistani army lovers using it to boast about the army when in all certainty the army is subservient to US commands and can't even use F16 fighters autonomously without respecting the restrictions set up by the Americans.

Being on good terms is different than being loyal to someone or being controlled and sheltered by it. Right now Taliban are in good terms with Russia and Qatar too. Taliban have made multiple statements that they want good relationship with India. Do you think that has a seal of approval by the GHQ, when the whole reason why Pakistani patriot support them is because they see them as a leverage against Indian influence in the region.

Not a lot of substance.

Pakistan is playing a double game with the US. It is receiving US military aid while at the same time propping up the Taliban in Afghanistan. Pakistan did provide safe havens to Haqqani Network in Waziristan and Pakistan was complicit in it. Also, you would not expect hundreds of fighters/ foot soldiers to simply go to Quetta. That is laughable. They were in Waziristan for jihad. Their leaders were in Quetta.


I am sure the Taliban are just giving lip service that they want good relations with Indians and Iranians. They want to earn credibility and trust. If these monsters actually wanted good relations with all, they would not have slaughtered Shias in Mazar-i-Sharif and they would not have blown up Bamiyan statues!The fact is, these monsters do not tolerate anybody else except themselves.
 
So much unsubstantiated nonsense posted on this thread, fair to say a lot of it may be deliberate misinformation due to nationalist or sectarian agenda. To cut through the propaganda, one has to use their brain to see who benefits from this hue and cry. Usually the ones shouting the loudest about the outrage are the ones to look at carefully. Especially if they are posting relentlessly one sided stuff on behalf of enemies both local and abroad.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The news of two barbaric terrorist attacks in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> has deeply horrified & saddened me. I strongly condemn the attacks in Kabul & Ningarhar that targeted vulnerable women & children. I reinforce my support for <a href="https://twitter.com/UN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@UN</a> appeal for a global ceasefire amidst this deadly pandemic.</p>— Malala (@Malala) <a href="https://twitter.com/Malala/status/1260491011870130178?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Not a lot of substance.

Pakistan is playing a double game with the US. It is receiving US military aid while at the same time propping up the Taliban in Afghanistan. Pakistan did provide safe havens to Haqqani Network in Waziristan and Pakistan was complicit in it. Also, you would not expect hundreds of fighters/ foot soldiers to simply go to Quetta. That is laughable. They were in Waziristan for jihad. Their leaders were in Quetta.


I am sure the Taliban are just giving lip service that they want good relations with Indians and Iranians. They want to earn credibility and trust. If these monsters actually wanted good relations with all, they would not have slaughtered Shias in Mazar-i-Sharif and they would not have blown up Bamiyan statues!The fact is, these monsters do not tolerate anybody else except themselves.

Actually my post had a lot of substance, I made a deliberate attempt to elaborate my point in contrast you prefer to repeat what you want to believe which is the same old rhetoric of the 20 years of war without going into specifics as to why you believe so.

Pakistan playing "double game" is a popular buzzword used by the group of people I highlighted in my previous post.

US has invested over a trillion dollars and still finds itself stuck inside Afghanistan without a proper exit and there is not a proper explanation to how the US is getting double played repeatedly. No specifics of what the network Quetta Shura in Quetta is supposed to look like and to what extent Pakistani military is involved in its protection.

Waziristan was full of high value targets, USA didn't waste its precious money to take out low level foot soldiers, that's what Pakistani armies operations in tribal regions were for.

A list of high value Taliban members including members of Haqqani Network killed in Waziristan by drone strikes with the help of Pakistani human intelligence on ground:

Abu Bakar Haqqani
Abu Bakar Haqqani was a senior commander in the Haqqani Network.

Qari Abdullah Subari
Qari Abdullah Subari was a senior commander for the Afghan Taliban.

Abdullah Haqqani
Abdullah directed suicide operations in Afghanistan for the Haqqani Network.

Haji Gul, Mufti Sofian, and Commander Abu Bakar
Haji Gul was a senior Haqqani Network commander. Mufti Sofian and Commander Abu Bakar were senior commanders in the Afghan Taliban.

Abdul Rehman, Mufti Hamidullah Haqqani, and Maulvi Ahmed Jan
The three men served as senior Haqqani Network commanders. Maulvi Ahmed Jan is said to be an aide to Sirajuddin Haqqani.

Mullah Sangeen Zadran

The deputy to Haqqani Network operational commander Sirajuddin Haqqani. He also served as the Taliban’s shadow governor in Paktika province, Afghanistan.

Abu Saif al Jaziri and Maulana Akhtar Zadran
Abu Saif al Jaziri was a senior al Qaeda military trainer. Maulana Akhtar Zadran was a Haqqani Network commander.

Badruddin Haqqani
A top deputy and brother of Sirajuddin Haqqani, the operational commander of the Haqqani Network.

Saifullah Haqqani
A Haqqani Network military commander in Afghanistan and a cousin of Siraj Haqqani.

Mohammed Haqqani
A mid-level Haqqani Network military commander and brother of the group’s top military commander Siraj Haqqani.

These are just a dew examples on only include top Afghan Taliban leaders without listing the Al-Qaeda members who work hand in hand with the Taliban. There are over a dozen top Haqqani members in that list. It is pretty long and you can have a look yourself, all the militants in the list were considered to be top commanders by the USA and aren't merely foot soldiers:
https://www.longwarjournal.org/pakistan-strikes-hvts

Do you know what it takes to eliminate such a militant through drone strikes?

Pakistani intelligence services would have a network of spies in Waziristan whose task was to identify the wanted militants and locate their hideouts etc. Then Pakistan would provide this intelligence to the USA which would through air surveillance monitor the activities and upon confirmation kill them. If Pakistan didn't have wanted to none of these guys would have been killed.

Senior Afghan Taliban leaders have died while being in the custody of ISI. Like their former defense minister Mullah Obaidullah and Ustad Yasir.

Fringe elements within the Pakistani military and ISI who had sympathy with the Islamist cause and were close the Taliban during their regime may have given assistance to the militants in early 2000s but that those elements have been gotten rid of long since.

Pakistan has been sympathetic towards Taliban, I am not denying that but the claim that Pakistan explicitly shelters their top leadership in Quetta or elsewhere and is protecting them is not based in reality.

Afghan elites in Kabul are the biggest proponents of this claim and have been crying about it since over a decade now. In all this time they couldn't provide a picture of a single Taliban leader in Quetta or his hideout or even kill any of their leader in Quetta through their own secret service NDS. US military experts know better and these allegations are not headed to anymore.

In April this year Taliban appointed a Shia Hazara as the chief of a district under their control:
Taliban appoints first Shia Hazara as shadow district chief of the group
https://www.khaama.com/taliban-appo...-as-shadow-district-chief-of-the-group-04734/

I not here to argue whether Taliban are monsters or not. The events you mentioned took place in the 90s. They are inexcusable. Yes we all would have been happy if they were gone but they aren't. 20 years of trying to defeat them has passed, the fight has been passed on to a new generation. The question is whether to continue or try a new approach. US and NATO who have invested a lot of resources into this are looking for a different approach. I am interested in seeing how that works out.

I am big critic of Pakistani states support for militant groups like Jaishe Muhammad and others but I prefer to keep the criticism as objective as possible, based on sound reasoning and evidence .
 
The Afghan government offered Taliban to have a ceasefire during Ramadan, but obviously those animals refused, because they had planned to kill babies during Ramadan.
 
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The Afghan government offered Taliban to have a ceasefire during Ramadan, but obviously those animals refused, because they had planned to kill babies during Ramadan.

Do the common people in Afghanistan support Afghan Taliban and want to be live under their rule? As its usually claimed by a lot of people in Pakistan.

That Afghan Taliban are considered Heroes by the Afghan People who are fighting against the invaders ( NATO )
 
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Do the common people in Afghanistan support Afghan Taliban and want to be live under their rule? As its usually claimed by a lot of people in Pakistan.

That Afghan Taliban are considered Heroes by the Afghan People who are fighting against the invaders ( NATO )

Afghanistan has become a polarized society with different ideologies at clash. You have the elite in Kabul, supported by the leftist, ex-supporters of soviet intervention, supporter of Dr. Najibullah and various warlords of civil war era, then you have the ethnic nationalism and of course the traditionalst, Islamist ideology of the Taliban.

Many Afghans on the internet belong to the privileged part of their society and there is a Kabul bubble. Taliban aren't the undisputed Heros as claimed but they do have a lot of support among the rural area in particular because the people there are traditionalists and feel alienated by the culture of Kabul elite.

A good website belonging to educated Afghans who want to provide an alternative and independent view which doesn't fall in the pro-Kabul elite or pro-Taliban category is this:

https://afghaneye.org/

their twitter account:
https://twitter.com/awsanzar
https://twitter.com/paykhar

Youtube channel
 
The Afghan government offered Taliban to have a ceasefire during Ramadan, but obviously those animals refused, because they had planned to kill babies during Ramadan.

I'd welcome if you were to educate me about my wrong views instead of mere ridicule.

I am interested in true peace in the region and in particular the vicious hate expressed by the Kabul elite towards Pakistan and extreme racism towards Punjabis has forced me to look at the issue of Afghanistan properly.

Kabul goverment is crooked to the core. Look at this security force official. Do you have any comment for the hate and clear lie he is spreading?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Developments: this rifle and bag (reserved armaments) were found at the hospital where Pakistani terrorists Taliban and their affiliates slaughtered innocent babies and mothers! <br><br>Pakistan is the worst neighbor a country could have! <a href="https://t.co/l93wNjN6Un">pic.twitter.com/l93wNjN6Un</a></p>— Col Rahman Rahmani (@rahmanrahmanee) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahmanrahmanee/status/1260467624846266370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This guy is not a random person. He is a colonel, Afghan airforce pilot, graduate from Marine Corps University and considered to be a respectable personality amount the Kabul elite and security forces. This is how the propaganda of current Afghan government and its elite work. His tweet went viral before it was found out that it's fake. If this shameless person can lie so openly and when exposed not even feel it necessary to delete the tweet or apologize then what objectivity can you expect from state run mainstream media in Afghanistan?

By Taliban the actually mean Pakistan and by Pakistan they actually blames Punjabis. This is their true mindset. Of course I am going to educate myself about the issue instead of ignoring it or responding with trolling.

I have found a bunch of level-headed Afghans who are interested in the same thing: critical analysis of the events and true peace in the region. I welcome you to check out some of there stuff if you too are interested in peace and solving the conflict.


 
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The Afghan government offered Taliban to have a ceasefire during Ramadan, but obviously those animals refused, because they had planned to kill babies during Ramadan.

Btw, I think Taliban should have made accepted a temporary ceasefire especially considering the covid19 situation. They messed up and acted egotistically.

No one besides Kabul is running with the story that Taliban are behind this attack. Whether US nor NATO officials. While supporters of Kabul government went one step further and blamed Pakistan and Punjabis.
 
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Kabul goverment is crooked to the core. Look at this security force official. Do you have any comment for the hate and clear lie he is spreading?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Developments: this rifle and bag (reserved armaments) were found at the hospital where Pakistani terrorists Taliban and their affiliates slaughtered innocent babies and mothers! <br><br>Pakistan is the worst neighbor a country could have! <a href="https://t.co/l93wNjN6Un">pic.twitter.com/l93wNjN6Un</a></p>— Col Rahman Rahmani (@rahmanrahmanee) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahmanrahmanee/status/1260467624846266370?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This picture was actually taken by me back in 2013. <br>I never knew it would be so famous in 2020. &#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://t.co/v4qSztQ8RU">https://t.co/v4qSztQ8RU</a></p>— Kapt_Maverik (@kapt_maverik) <a href="https://twitter.com/kapt_maverik/status/1260637113332137985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote>
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So much unsubstantiated nonsense posted on this thread, fair to say a lot of it may be deliberate misinformation due to nationalist or sectarian agenda. To cut through the propaganda, one has to use their brain to see who benefits from this hue and cry. Usually the ones shouting the loudest about the outrage are the ones to look at carefully. Especially if they are posting relentlessly one sided stuff on behalf of enemies both local and abroad.
Couldn’t agree with you more.
 
Maternity ward massacre shakes Afghanistan and its peace process

After struggling to get pregnant for years, Zainab, 27, gave birth to a baby boy on Tuesday morning at a small hospital in the southwestern corner of Kabul. She was overjoyed and named the boy Omid, meaning ‘hope’ in Dari.

At around 10 a.m. (0530 GMT), an hour before she and her family were set to return home to neighbouring Bamiyan province a three-hour drive away, three gunmen disguised as police burst into the hospital’s maternity ward and started shooting.

Zainab, who rushed back from the washroom after hearing the commotion, collapsed as she took in the scene. She spent seven years trying to have a child, waited nine months to meet her son and had just four hours with him before he was killed.

“I brought my daughter-in-law to Kabul so that she would not lose her baby,” said Zahra Muhammadi, Zainab’s mother-in-law, unable to contain her grief. “Today we’ll take his dead body to Bamiyan.”

No group has claimed responsibility for the massacre of 24 people, including 16 women and two newborns. At least six babies lost their mothers in an attack that has shaken even the war-torn nation numbed by years of militant violence.

“In my more than 20-year career I have not witnessed such a horrific, brutal act,” said Dr. Hassan Kamel, director of Ataturk Children’s Hospital in Kabul.

The raid, on the same day that at least 32 people died in a suicide bomb attack on a funeral in the eastern province of Nangarhar, threatens to derail progress towards U.S.-brokered peace talks between the Taliban and the Afghan government.

President Ashraf Ghani condemned the attacks and ordered the military to switch to offensive mode rather than the defensive tactics it adopted while U.S. troops withdraw from the country after a long, inconclusive war.

The Taliban, the main militant group, has denied involvement in both attacks, although trust among officials and the broader public has worn thin. An offshoot of Islamic State is also among the suspects: it admitted it was behind the Nangarhar bloodshed.

WE NAMED HIM ‘HOPE’

Muhammadi, the mother-in-law, said she saw one of the attackers firing at pregnant women and new mothers, even as they cowered under hospital beds.

“We gave him the name Omid. Hope for a better future, hope for a better Afghanistan and hope for a mother who has been struggling to have a child for years,” she told Reuters by telephone in Kabul.

The gunmen then turned to target the cradle where Omid had been asleep. As the sound of bullets reverberated through the ward, Muhammadi said she fainted in fear.

“When I opened my eyes, I saw that my grandson’s body had fallen to the ground, covered in blood,” she recalled, as she wailed with grief.

The Kabul attack began in the morning when gunmen entered the Dasht-e-Barchi hospital, throwing grenades and shooting, government officials said. Security forces had killed the attackers by the afternoon.

The 100-bed, government-run hospital hosted a maternity clinic run by Doctors Without Borders, also known by its French name Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF).

Just hours before the attack, MSF had tweeted a photo of a newborn in his mother’s arms at the clinic after being delivered safely by emergency caesarean section.

On Wednesday, the group condemned the attack, calling it “sickening” and “cowardly”.

“Whilst fighting was ongoing, one woman gave birth to her baby and both are doing well,” MSF said in a statement. “More than ever, MSF stands in solidarity with the Afghan people.”

Deborah Lyons, head of the U.N. mission in Afghanistan, condemned the hospital assault in a tweet. “Who attacks newborn babies and new mothers? Who does this? The most innocent of innocents, a baby! Why?”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ghanistan-and-its-peace-process-idUSKBN22P2F5
 
So sad to hear. :( These barbaric losers don't stop. May Allah(SWT) ease the pain of those who have suffered.
 
The more I read about this incident, the more shocked and disgusted I feel. Feel like throwing up
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A day after the attack on the maternity ward, officials struggled to reconnect 18 babies — most now motherless — with their families. The oldest was born 5 days earlier. The youngest was delivered in a safe room after the attack had begun. <a href="https://t.co/OxgFzIOaCT">https://t.co/OxgFzIOaCT</a></p>— The New York Times (@nytimes) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1260722242465529858?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

They would have to do DNA tests to identify the mothers.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This picture was actually taken by me back in 2013. <br>I never knew it would be so famous in 2020. �� <a href="https://t.co/v4qSztQ8RU">https://t.co/v4qSztQ8RU</a></p>— Kapt_Maverik (@kapt_maverik) <a href="https://twitter.com/kapt_maverik/status/1260637113332137985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Afghani government officials are seriously dumb and cant even put allegations properly. I hope the Taliban deal goes ahead quickly, so that these war lords turned Afghan Officials are quickly put back in their place. People like Dostam and other ‘afghan Ministers’ are just cronies
 
Actually my post had a lot of substance, I made a deliberate attempt to elaborate my point in contrast you prefer to repeat what you want to believe which is the same old rhetoric of the 20 years of war without going into specifics as to why you believe so.

Pakistan playing "double game" is a popular buzzword used by the group of people I highlighted in my previous post.

US has invested over a trillion dollars and still finds itself stuck inside Afghanistan without a proper exit and there is not a proper explanation to how the US is getting double played repeatedly. No specifics of what the network Quetta Shura in Quetta is supposed to look like and to what extent Pakistani military is involved in its protection.

Waziristan was full of high value targets, USA didn't waste its precious money to take out low level foot soldiers, that's what Pakistani armies operations in tribal regions were for.

A list of high value Taliban members including members of Haqqani Network killed in Waziristan by drone strikes with the help of Pakistani human intelligence on ground:

Abu Bakar Haqqani
Abu Bakar Haqqani was a senior commander in the Haqqani Network.

Qari Abdullah Subari
Qari Abdullah Subari was a senior commander for the Afghan Taliban.

Abdullah Haqqani
Abdullah directed suicide operations in Afghanistan for the Haqqani Network.

Haji Gul, Mufti Sofian, and Commander Abu Bakar
Haji Gul was a senior Haqqani Network commander. Mufti Sofian and Commander Abu Bakar were senior commanders in the Afghan Taliban.

Abdul Rehman, Mufti Hamidullah Haqqani, and Maulvi Ahmed Jan
The three men served as senior Haqqani Network commanders. Maulvi Ahmed Jan is said to be an aide to Sirajuddin Haqqani.

Mullah Sangeen Zadran

The deputy to Haqqani Network operational commander Sirajuddin Haqqani. He also served as the Taliban’s shadow governor in Paktika province, Afghanistan.

Abu Saif al Jaziri and Maulana Akhtar Zadran
Abu Saif al Jaziri was a senior al Qaeda military trainer. Maulana Akhtar Zadran was a Haqqani Network commander.

Badruddin Haqqani
A top deputy and brother of Sirajuddin Haqqani, the operational commander of the Haqqani Network.

Saifullah Haqqani
A Haqqani Network military commander in Afghanistan and a cousin of Siraj Haqqani.

Mohammed Haqqani
A mid-level Haqqani Network military commander and brother of the group’s top military commander Siraj Haqqani.

These are just a dew examples on only include top Afghan Taliban leaders without listing the Al-Qaeda members who work hand in hand with the Taliban. There are over a dozen top Haqqani members in that list. It is pretty long and you can have a look yourself, all the militants in the list were considered to be top commanders by the USA and aren't merely foot soldiers:
https://www.longwarjournal.org/pakistan-strikes-hvts

Do you know what it takes to eliminate such a militant through drone strikes?

Pakistani intelligence services would have a network of spies in Waziristan whose task was to identify the wanted militants and locate their hideouts etc. Then Pakistan would provide this intelligence to the USA which would through air surveillance monitor the activities and upon confirmation kill them. If Pakistan didn't have wanted to none of these guys would have been killed.

Senior Afghan Taliban leaders have died while being in the custody of ISI. Like their former defense minister Mullah Obaidullah and Ustad Yasir.

Fringe elements within the Pakistani military and ISI who had sympathy with the Islamist cause and were close the Taliban during their regime may have given assistance to the militants in early 2000s but that those elements have been gotten rid of long since.

Pakistan has been sympathetic towards Taliban, I am not denying that but the claim that Pakistan explicitly shelters their top leadership in Quetta or elsewhere and is protecting them is not based in reality.

Afghan elites in Kabul are the biggest proponents of this claim and have been crying about it since over a decade now. In all this time they couldn't provide a picture of a single Taliban leader in Quetta or his hideout or even kill any of their leader in Quetta through their own secret service NDS. US military experts know better and these allegations are not headed to anymore.

In April this year Taliban appointed a Shia Hazara as the chief of a district under their control:
Taliban appoints first Shia Hazara as shadow district chief of the group
https://www.khaama.com/taliban-appo...-as-shadow-district-chief-of-the-group-04734/

I not here to argue whether Taliban are monsters or not. The events you mentioned took place in the 90s. They are inexcusable. Yes we all would have been happy if they were gone but they aren't. 20 years of trying to defeat them has passed, the fight has been passed on to a new generation. The question is whether to continue or try a new approach. US and NATO who have invested a lot of resources into this are looking for a different approach. I am interested in seeing how that works out.

I am big critic of Pakistani states support for militant groups like Jaishe Muhammad and others but I prefer to keep the criticism as objective as possible, based on sound reasoning and evidence .

Pakistani military and government for long have been saying that drone strikes are taking place without their knowledge. Do you know the brother of Afghan Taliban leader was an imam at a Quetta mosque before he was presumably killed by the NDS? Afghan Taliban sources themselves confirmed the mosque was used by its leaders as a meeting point.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www...ed-pakistan-mosque-blast-190816143737376.html


Afghan Taliban has not given up targeting civilians and minorities as you claim. When these savages target convoys, restaurants and police stations, tens of bystanders are killed.

Afghan Taliban want to gain public’s trust by appointing shia leaders. These token gestures mean nothing.

There is no denying Pakistan has a significant control over Afghan Taliban. There are books, research paper that have been written on this alliance.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/amp...-islamist-support-finally-paid-off/a-52634369
 
The victims were Hazaras. Hazaras have never been allowed to lived in peace in Afghanistan for the 100+ years. I’m surprised not one person on here mentioned that the target was the Hazara Shia community
Please respect their identity, don’t let their oppressors co-opt their identity.
 
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Yes Afghanistan has a complex history with no good guys and bad guys. There is plenty of blame and blood on many parties' hands.

Afghanistan's government is corrupt and incapable of providing for its citizens.

However there is simply no justification for attacking women and newborns, no way can this be described as a legitimate act of resistance against occupation, no way can this be explained by Afghan Govt's refusal to release prisoners.

This is a savage and barbaric act against defenceless civilians.
 
Pakistani military and government for long have been saying that drone strikes are taking place without their knowledge. Do you know the brother of Afghan Taliban leader was an imam at a Quetta mosque before he was presumably killed by the NDS? Afghan Taliban sources themselves confirmed the mosque was used by its leaders as a meeting point.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www...ed-pakistan-mosque-blast-190816143737376.html


Afghan Taliban has not given up targeting civilians and minorities as you claim. When these savages target convoys, restaurants and police stations, tens of bystanders are killed.

Afghan Taliban want to gain public’s trust by appointing shia leaders. These token gestures mean nothing.

There is no denying Pakistan has a significant control over Afghan Taliban. There are books, research paper that have been written on this alliance.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/amp...-islamist-support-finally-paid-off/a-52634369

Pakistani military has been denying their role in drone attacks because these strikes are highly unpopular among the civilians due to the high number of collateral damages. They have kept their role hidden as it gives the Pakistani establishment a way to show its innocence. These drone planes would take off from Pakistani soil and be at times maintained by Pakistani staff.

I am not a Taliban spokesperson, my intentions were to challenge the popular rhetoric and narrative which maybe emotionally driven but isn't helpful in solving the conflict. Upon having a detailed look at the rhetoric I found that most of it was based on hot air.

I wish for people of Afghanistan the same thing as I wish for myself: Peace, freedom and stability.
I wouldn't want to live under a Taliban regime and don't wish the regime on to others.

However, I'm tired of hearing the rhetoric that some how Pakistani military has been for 20 years willingly providing shelter to Afghan Taliban leaders in Pakistan or elsewhere. While in the past many US officials would claim this to hide their failure in Afghanistan, nowadays this rhetoric is mainly repeated by Afghan government and is only meant to spread hatred among Afghans against Pakistan in general but against Punjabi people in particular. Visit any Afghan media source, Facebook page or other social media site in their local language. You will find them blaming Punjabi for every little bad event in their country.

At the same time I am tired of Pakistani trolls chest thumping and boasting about it, whenever Afghan Taliban conduct a successful operation as if it was the work of ISI and Pakistani military. These trolls like to portray the whole thing as Pakistan defeating the Americans.

For sure there are members of Afghan Taliban hiding in Pakistan but they are most probably doing so in secrecy without the direct knowledge of Pakistani military.

Which Afghan hasn't been to Pakistan, especially in the border area? There are millions of Afghan refugees in the Pakistan for over 40 years now. When members of Taliban are able to infiltrate the Afghan army and kill American soldiers in the process, how difficult would it be for some of them to be hiding in Pakistan disguised as refugees.

If Pakistani military is indeed hiding and sheltering them intentionally then I condemn it. Not only that I want the Taliban leaders to be arrested, handed over to the Afghan officials and their hideouts destroyed! Let there be 100's of Abbottabad type operations, if that's the only way to kill these leaser and Pakistan isn't willing to cooperate.

I am sick and tired of Afghan military officials accusing Pakistan for 20 years but not coming up with a concrete way to expose or destroy those hideouts. The Afghan military is in contact and has the support of the US military 24/7. The Afghan and US military generals meet consistently, why is this issue not the most urgent issue on their agenda and why are they just content with expressing allegations for 20 years?

When Trump initially came to power he tried to be less politically correct and was initially a strong critic of Pakistan over this issue and look now how his tone has changed towards Pakistan.

I am all for the US stopping their aid to Pakistan and not selling any military equipment to Pakistan, if they genuinely believe that Pakistani officials are sheltering the militants. However, Trump now seems to have stopped calling out Pakistan over its role and is instead more critical of the current Afghan government full of power hungry warlords.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After struggling to get pregnant for years, Zainab gave birth to a boy on Tuesday in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabul</a>. She named him Omid, 'hope' in Dari. She spent 7 years trying to have a child, waited 9 months to meet her son and had just 4 hours with him before he was killed. <a href="https://t.co/vlNb5dgosv">https://t.co/vlNb5dgosv</a></p>— Mehreen Zahra-Malik (@mehreenzahra) <a href="https://twitter.com/mehreenzahra/status/1260611748526272512?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Pakistani military and government for long have been saying that drone strikes are taking place without their knowledge. Do you know the brother of Afghan Taliban leader was an imam at a Quetta mosque before he was presumably killed by the NDS? Afghan Taliban sources themselves confirmed the mosque was used by its leaders as a meeting point.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/www...ed-pakistan-mosque-blast-190816143737376.html


Afghan Taliban has not given up targeting civilians and minorities as you claim. When these savages target convoys, restaurants and police stations, tens of bystanders are killed.

Afghan Taliban want to gain public’s trust by appointing shia leaders. These token gestures mean nothing.

There is no denying Pakistan has a significant control over Afghan Taliban. There are books, research paper that have been written on this alliance.

https://www.google.com.hk/amp/s/amp...-islamist-support-finally-paid-off/a-52634369

It's one thing to be blaming Taliban for this attack ( with no proof) but you are also trying to link Pakistan as co-responsible for this disgusting attack. When you consider that both Pakistan and Taliban have been in talks with the US for months now to strike a peace deal, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

You know fine well that it is the Afghan forces who have everything to gain politically from this attack, not those whom you are accusing. No one needs to try to make excuses for the Taliban, but trying to deliberately muddy the water is a shameful deed on your part. Unless you have some proof you should not be posting this bull on a Pakistan linked site.
 
This would never have happened under karzais watch
Enough is enough with the peace talks

Afghanistan need to get rid of its terrorists the same way the isi did in fata
It wouldn't harm the Afghans to let either the pak or indian army into Afghanistan if they can't do it their own
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is Nazia from Afghanistan she was shot from a close range twice by a gunman on her right leg when she just came in this world on Tuesday. Her mother was killed by the IS-K militants both mother & daughter had only spent three hours together. The story will be up soon. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kabul?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kabul</a> <a href="https://t.co/wlhobh2ImQ">pic.twitter.com/wlhobh2ImQ</a></p>— Haroon Janjua (@JanjuaHaroon) <a href="https://twitter.com/JanjuaHaroon/status/1260961926970032129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Well, well well...

U.S. Special Representative for Afghanistan Reconciliation has spoken and he too doesn't seem to agree with the assessments made by Ashraf Ghani and his professional team of security advisers.

Instead of blaming the Tailban or Pakistan they conclude that IS was behind the attack. Instead of calling for more war they still think it's better to go ahead with the peace process.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The USG has assessed ISIS-K conducted the horrific attacks on a maternity ward and a funeral earlier this week in Afghanistan. ISIS has demonstrated a pattern for favoring these types of heinous attacks against civilians and is a threat to the Afghan people and to the world.</p>— U.S. Special Representative Zalmay Khalilzad (@US4AfghanPeace) <a href="https://twitter.com/US4AfghanPeace/status/1261061320356630533?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Rather than falling into the ISIS trap and delay peace or create obstacles, Afghans must come together to crush this menace and pursue a historic peace opportunity. No more excuses. Afghans, and the world, deserve better.</p>— U.S. Special Representative Zalmay Khalilzad (@US4AfghanPeace) <a href="https://twitter.com/US4AfghanPeace/status/1261061323162517504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Remember before 2001 the current National Army of Afghanistan didn't existed nor did the current governmental structure in Afghanistan existed.

As US forces suffered more and more lose at the hands of the Afghans opposing their occupation, the US started to increase the mobilization of former warlords and tribes who exposed the Taliban and together built and recruited Afghans to be trained to fight the Afghans opposing the US occupation and were labelled as the Afghan National Army. With time US forces went more and more into the background while pushing the Afghan Army in forefront to fight the Taliban.

The 1000s of American troops left never really go on the battlefield, the are stationed safely in heavily fortified Bagram airbase and are monitoring the war on the computer with the help of drones and the occasional airstrikes.

Now we have this highly sad and difficult situation where Afghans are killing Afghans, while those who started this war and built the hostility are looking to leave and no amount of pressure by the Afghan government, the spoiled elite in Kabul, seems to be working.

Afghans from all segments of the society, not just the elite in Kabul or the Taliban with guns, need to come together and negotiate a new and peaceful way forward for their country.
 
ISIS are the culprit but racism against Hazaras in Afghanistan was the catalyst. Time for Hazaras to have their own country.
 
This would never have happened under karzais watch
Enough is enough with the peace talks

Afghanistan need to get rid of its terrorists the same way the isi did in fata
It wouldn't harm the Afghans to let either the pak or indian army into Afghanistan if they can't do it their own

US started this never ending war.

They suffered heavy loses so like cowards they pushed naive Afghans to fight for their cause under the banner of "Afghan national Army". Now even that model seems to be too expensive for the Americans and unsustainable, so they are abandoning them and the Afghan government and asking everyone to let's come together and negotiate a political settlement instead warfare.

As far as Karzai is concerned he disagrees with further violence and too believes in efforts for peace through mutual negotiations and intra-Afghan dialogue.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The people of Afghanistan have long been the victims of war & violence, & have suffered immensely.Rhetoric that promotes conflict & leads to further violence & instability must be avoided.Continued conflict & instability will weaken us further & leave more room for conspiracies..</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/1260648234147442688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">...Our people want <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/peace?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#peace</a> and right now. The Afghan factions must engage in intra-Afghan dialogue at the earliest as this is the only way to peace and stability.</p>— Hamid Karzai (@KarzaiH) <a href="https://twitter.com/KarzaiH/status/1260648352120594433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If it was possible to win this war militarily it would have happened in 2010 when there were over 100'000+ US troops on ground in Afghanistan. They failed. Now they seem to think that no amount of Afghan militas trained by them are going to win it for them.

No way should Pakistan go in and fight a war which USA couldn't win militarily.

India on the other hand is opposed to any negotiations, so it is more than welcome to send its trained jawans, if they are so committed to annihilating the Taliban forces.
 
This would never have happened under karzais watch
<b>Enough is enough with the peace talks </b>

Afghanistan need to get rid of its terrorists the same way the isi did in fata
It wouldn't harm the Afghans to let either the pak or indian army into Afghanistan if they can't do it their own

Why that? How do you know that Talibans were behind this, when they ve publicly denied it?

Who will benefit if the Peace talk fall through?

Taliban represents the largest fraction of Afghanistan’s population and are the only party representing Pashtuns. Them getting in power will bring peace and stability to Afghanistan. All others are just a conglomerate of war lords, artificially brought into power by the US.
 
ISIS are the culprit but racism against Hazaras in Afghanistan was the catalyst. Time for Hazaras to have their own country.

Please stop this rhetoric of division and further dispute.

Do you like to hear when foreign forces look at PTM, rightfully highlight the suffering endured by the people of Waziristan but then use it as an excuse for their own political and personal wishes?

Hazaras too will be included in the intra-Afghan negotiation and not just the most powerful tribes. They will have a chance to include their opinions about the future of their country.

Stable and peaceful Afghanistan is an enrichment for the whole region.
 
Please stop this rhetoric of division and further dispute.

Do you like to hear when foreign forces look at PTM, rightfully highlight the suffering endured by the people of Waziristan but then use it as an excuse for their own political and personal wishes?

Hazaras too will be included in the intra-Afghan negotiation and not just the most powerful tribes. They will have a chance to include their opinions about the future of their country.

Stable and peaceful Afghanistan is an enrichment for the whole region.

Divisions are already there. Don't need to ignore, it won't magically go away. Hazaras have suffered enough, they are a brave nation with a great culture, the central part of present-day Afghanistan was there land and a future homeland for Hazaras could be created there. Whether it's fully independent or an Afghan territory with autonomy that can be decided by the vested parties. Something like an autonomous republic like Russia has could be a good idea.
 
The United States on Thursday blamed ISIL (ISIS) - not the Taliban - for an attack on a maternity ward in Afghanistan this week in which 24 people died, including two newborn babies and urged the government to embrace a troubled peace effort with the Taliban.

It was unclear whether the declaration would be enough to reverse a decision by the Kabul government to resume offensive operations against the group.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani ordered the military on Tuesday to switch to "offensive mode" against the Taliban following the hospital attack in Kabul and a suicide bombing in Nangarhar province that killed scores of people.

US Special Representative Zalmay Khalilzad blamed ISIL for both attacks in a statement issued on Twitter, saying the group opposed any Taliban peace agreement and sought to trigger an Iraq-style sectarian war in Afghanistan.

"Rather than falling into the ISIS trap and delay peace or create obstacles, Afghans must come together to crush this menace and pursue a historic peace opportunity," Khalilzad said.

"No more excuses. Afghans, and the world, deserve better."

A group affiliated to ISIL claimed responsibility for the Nangarhar bombing, according to the SITE Intelligence Group. No one has claimed responsibility for the hospital attack.

The Taliban denied involvement in the attacks, but the government accused the group of fostering an environment in which "terrorism" thrives or of working with other armed groups who could have been involved.

The attacks were another setback to US President Donald Trump's stalled plans to bring peace to Afghanistan and end America's longest war.

A February 29 US-Taliban deal called for a phased US troop withdrawal and for the Afghan government and Taliban to release some prisoners by March 10, when talks were to start.

Intra-Afghan talks have yet to take place and there is some bitterness within the Afghan government, which was not a party to the February 29 deal, that the US undercut their leverage by negotiating directly with the Taliban.

Ghani's decision to revive offensive operations is supported by many opposition figures, who believe Washington's sole focus is to keep the US troop withdrawal plan on track to help Trump win a second term in the presidential election, which takes place on November 3.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/isil-responsible-kabul-hospital-attack-200515012630703.html
 
The United States on Thursday blamed ISIL (ISIS) - not the Taliban - for an attack on a maternity ward in Afghanistan this week in which 24 people died, including two newborn babies and urged the government to embrace a troubled peace effort with the Taliban.

It was unclear whether the declaration would be enough to reverse a decision by the Kabul government to resume offensive operations against the group.
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Yeh tou hona hi tha. kabul ‘Government’ dont ve any other options than to oblige.
 
Explanatory remarks by the spokesman of Islamic Emirate(=Taliban) regarding the horrific attack in Kabul

An armed attack took place the other day on a 100-bed hospital in Dashti Barchi area of Kabul city which resulted in a number of our innocent compatriots – women and children deliberately and ruthlessly martyred in a horrendous crime.

Another blast took place at a funeral in Nangarhar on the same day which also resulted in death and injuries to a number of our fellow civilian countrymen.

The Islamic Emirate strongly condemned both attacks and clarified that these attacks were the work of criminal and malicious elements who are seeking to attain their malicious objectives by killing defenseless human beings.

But the Kabul administration officials at the highest levels immediately attributed these crimes to the Islamic Emirate and made use of a host of fabrications, photoshop and deceptions to mislead common perception.

The Islamic Emirate once again clarifies that it had no hand in the Dashti Barchi incident, considers it a vile, inhumane and an un-Islamic act and shares the grief of the families of martyrs and wounded of this tragedy.

The Islamic Emirate considers the Kabul incident the work of malicious elements directly affiliated with the Kabul administration for the following reasons:

The 100-bed hospital in Dashti Barchi was founded and established for women and children in 2014 due to the efforts and upon the continuous requests by the Islamic Emirate to International and Doctors Without Borders NGOs hence it would make no sense for Mujahideen of the Emirate to attack the same hospital or clinic.

– How could a Mujahid who understands Islam and considers the killing innocent human beings a grave crime open fire upon women and even newborn innocent infants at a hospital which had absolutely no military target inside it?

– In the initial phase of the attack the Kabul administration spokespersons and their media partners and at the end of the day Ashraf Ghani himself launched extensive and systematic propaganda in an effort to pin the attacks on the Islamic Emirate without any expert investigation!!? This itself showcases that malicious circles were behind this crime and they planned and executed it following joint consultations to defame the Islamic Emirate.

– Exploiting the Dashti Barchi incident and blast at a funeral in Nangarhar to declare the launch of offensive operations against the Islamic Emirate also indicates that the Kabul administration sought to implement its warmongering policy by muddying water and catching fish in order to find an excuse for such an irrational declaration.

– The creation of fake whatsapp and messenger messages by various Kabul administration organs at the same time as the attack, the broadcasting of fake audio clips and dissemination of photoshopped images also demonstrate that the Dashti Barchi attack was a pre-planed conspiracy aimed at defaming the Islamic Emirate and misusing this great crime for nefarious goals.

The agents of war and misery in Afghanistan are known. Those who have ruthlessly murdered civilians for the past nineteen years now seek to provoke public and international anger against the believing Mujahid Afghan nation with crimes akin to the communist era KHAD and to use it as an excuse for revealing their anti-peace stance.

The Islamic Emirate once again explicitly clarifies that the attacks in Kabul and Nangarhar have no relation with the Mujahideen of Islamic Emirate. We consider both incidents crimes and unspeakable savagery. Attacks on clinics, funerals and public infrastructure have no place in our policy.

At the same time, we firmly call for the transparent and impartial investigation of these attacks in order to expose the dark faces of the perpetrators of these heinous crimes and bring them to justice.

Remarks by the Spokesman of Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (=Taliban)

Note: I am only posting this propaganda piece because right now Taliban aren't officially listed as a terrorist group by the US and their remarks are actually read and taken seriously by US officials. Purpose of posting this is that in all the media rethoric most of which is propaganda too, the voice and position of the other side often gets lost. Since, the power holders right now seem to think that only bringing all the Afghans together and finding a common ground can bring peace, therefore I think it makes sense to see what the enemy is saying.

If tomorrow the real power holder in Afghanistan, the US, decides to once again declare Taliban as terrorist and fight them until their complete annihilation, I'd support that too if that's what will bring peace.
 
Sudden turnaround by the VP.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">5 April 20 : Amrullah saleh congratulates <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NDS</a> chief for arresting IS-K leader <br><br>7 May 20: Amrullah saleh congratulates NDS for successful operations against IS-K<br><br>13 May 20 : Amrullah saleh denies existence of IS-K and declared it a fictional organisation <a href="https://t.co/ttQzY4fx9i">https://t.co/ttQzY4fx9i</a> <a href="https://t.co/32DQqLt2I2">pic.twitter.com/32DQqLt2I2</a></p>— wajeeh hassan (@speerhead9) <a href="https://twitter.com/speerhead9/status/1261173491128078336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 15, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Report by the staff of the hospital that was attacked.

“They came to kill the mothers” in Kabul maternity hospital attack

In the days following the attack on the Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF)-supported Dasht-e-Barchi hospital in Kabul, Afghanistan, it has become clear that what happened on 12 May was a deliberate assault on a maternity hospital with the purpose of killing mothers in cold blood.

“I went back the day after the attack and what I saw in the maternity hospital demonstrates it was a systematic shooting of the mothers,” says Frederic Bonnot, MSF’s head of programmes in Afghanistan.

They went through the rooms in the maternity, shooting women in their beds. It was methodical. Walls sprayed with bullets, blood on the floors in the rooms, vehicles burnt out and windows shot through.

Official numbers indicate that 24 people were killed and at least 20 more injured, a large majority of them patients. We are able to confirm that 26 mothers were hospitalised at the time of the attack.

While 10 of them managed to find shelter in safe rooms, along with many health workers, not one of the 16 mothers who remained exposed to the attack was spared. Eleven were killed; three of them in the delivery room with their unborn babies. Five others were injured.

Among the dead are two young boys and an MSF midwife from Afghanistan. Two newborn babies were wounded, one of whom was transferred to another hospital for emergency surgery after being shot in the leg, as well as three Afghan MSF staff.

The attackers, whose overall number is as yet unknown, stormed the hospital through the main gate a little after 10am. There were other buildings and wards closer to the entrance, but according to MSF staff present at the moment of the attack, the assailants moved straight to the maternity ward, which has been supported by MSF for the past six years.

What ensued was four hours of hell – that is how long the attack lasted, while patients and staff alike looked for shelter.

“During the attack, from the safe room, we heard shooting everywhere and explosions too,” says Bonnot. “It’s shocking. We know this area has suffered attacks in the past, but no one could believe they would attack a maternity hospital. They came to kill the mothers.”

There were 102 MSF Afghan colleagues working alongside a handful of international staff. In the chaos of the attack, accounting for the patients and the staff present in the hospital became extremely difficult, as people were running for their safety and many others were hastily referred to other hospitals.

“This country is sadly used to seeing horrific events,” says Bonnot. “But what happened Tuesday is beyond words.”

https://www.msf.org/they-came-kill-mothers-kabul-maternity-hospital-attack

This is next level barbarism, cruelty and loss of any empathy or conscious.
 
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Hours after gunmen on Tuesday stormed a maternity clinic in Kabul and killed two dozen people, including women and babies, Feroza Omar rushed to another hospital where about 20 babies who survived the attack had been transferred.

When she arrived at Ataturk Hospital, the 27-year-old did something many deemed heroic. In a span of three hours, Feroza breastfed four of the orphaned newborns.

"I thought to myself that these babies need their mothers, but they were killed in the attack, so I will play the role of a mother, hug them and feed them," she told Al Jazeera.

Feroza was breastfeeding her four-month-old boy at home when she heard about the attack on the maternity section of the Dasht-e-Barchi hospital in Afghanistan's capital. She said she felt the urge to do something for those babies "to comfort them".

"When I hugged them, I didn't feel like they were someone else's babies. I felt I am feeding my own child. The terrorists have not even spared babies of this country who just opened their eyes onto this world," she said.

In 2017, Feroza lost her 33-year-old brother and a father of two who she said was killed by the Taliban on his birthday.

"I know the pain as a victim of this war in Afghanistan; I know how it feels to lose your beloved ones," she said.

Feroza inspired other Afghan women who joined the effort to care for and breastfeed the babies. Aziza Kermani, also based in Kabul, was one of them.

"I am ready to adopt one of the babies who have lost their mother or whose families do not have the financial ability to raise them," Kermani told Afghanistan news station, TOLOnews.

No group has claimed responsibility for the assault that has shocked the country. In all, 24 people were killed, including 16 women and two newborns.

In a statement, Frederic Boonot, Doctors Without Borders' head of programmes in Afghanistan, described the gruesome details of the attack.

"They came to kill the mothers," he said, describing how the attackers ignored other sections of the hospital and deliberately went to the maternity clinic.

"They went through the rooms, shooting women in their beds. It was methodical."

At the time of the attack, 26 new mothers and mothers-to-be were in the maternity clinic, according to the charity.

Three women were killed in the delivery room, and eight were killed in their hospital beds. One gave birth as the attack was ongoing.

"It's shocking. We know this area has suffered attacks in the past, but no one could believe they would attack a maternity [ward]," Bonnet said.

Accompanied by her teenage daughter, Ali Yawar's wife was also at Dasht-e-Barchi hospital to vaccinate her son, who had been born there a month ago.

When the attack started, Yawar's wife held her son and ran to the waiting room to get 16-year-old Amina, but she found her covered in blood.

Amina had been shot dead by the attackers.

"The security forces rushed her to a hospital, but she had died on the spot. When I heard about my daughter, it felt like my world had collapsed," Yawar told Al Jazeera.

"They attacked a place full of woman and children, what else is left? There is no humanity left in this country. These are testing times for us; we are forced to face this."

The Taliban has denied involvement in Tuesday's attack. On the same day, the ISIL (ISIS) armed group claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing at a funeral in Nangarhar province that killed scores of people.

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani ordered the military to switch to "offensive mode" against the Taliban, but US Special Representative Zalmay Khalilzad blamed ISIL for both attacks, saying on Twitter the group had opposed any peace agreement with the Taliban.

On February 29, the US and the Taliban signed a deal that called for a phased US troop withdrawal from the country, and for a prisoner exchange between the Afghan government and the Taliban to set the stage for intra-Afghan talks.

The talks, originally scheduled for March 10, have yet to take place because of delays in the prisoner exchange and a political feud between Ghani and rival candidate Abdullah Abdullah over last year's disputed presidential election.

But on Friday, Ghani's spokesman Sediqi Sediqqi said a political agreement had been reached and would be signed in the near future.

For Yawar, such political agreements mean little.

"Nothing can replace my daughter," he said. "This war broke my back, and of many poor people in this country."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...aned-babies-kabul-attack-200516192812701.html
 
[MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] [MENTION=150563]Giannis[/MENTION] [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]

This has all the signs of classic Shia genocide by ISIS.

I do not believe the Taliban would be behind this because they literally have no motive for this. They're trying to get recognition as a legitimate political force in the eyes of the US, hence the negotiations for a peace deal. If they were behind this, the US would know promptly and any deals would've been off.

It is clear that ISIS is behind this as this is their modus operandi (especially Shia genocide and sectarian violence).

This is a new low however. I can't imagine what the Hazaras have been going through this past decade with bombings on their communities in Quetta earlier and now this. The world really is a sick place.
 
Why that? How do you know that Talibans were behind this, when they ve publicly denied it?

Who will benefit if the Peace talk fall through?

Taliban represents the largest fraction of Afghanistan’s population and are the only party representing Pashtuns. Them getting in power will bring peace and stability to Afghanistan. All others are just a conglomerate of war lords, artificially brought into power by the US.

The.Taliban have been carrying out attacks like this since 911
Due to depleted money since the demise of laden and increased security they've had to switch from high level attacks to barbaric attacks like this one

Afghanistan pre 1960s was a progressive country who were undivided under their king
It's only since the Soviets that their society has been plagued mainly because of their proximity to the caspian sea, the shiploads of opium circulating out from its borders and also due to the curtailing and repressive laws which has punished the whole population
 
[MENTION=144682]Sirris[/MENTION] [MENTION=150563]Giannis[/MENTION] [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION]

This has all the signs of classic Shia genocide by ISIS.

I do not believe the Taliban would be behind this because they literally have no motive for this. They're trying to get recognition as a legitimate political force in the eyes of the US, hence the negotiations for a peace deal. If they were behind this, the US would know promptly and any deals would've been off.

It is clear that ISIS is behind this as this is their modus operandi (especially Shia genocide and sectarian violence).

This is a new low however. I can't imagine what the Hazaras have been going through this past decade with bombings on their communities in Quetta earlier and now this. The world really is a sick place.
Yes. The targets were Hazara mothers. Genocide of Shias continues unabated!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Former deputy speaker of the Afghan parliament, Homayun Homayun has officially declared allegiance to the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Taliban?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Taliban</a> via his facebook page. Homayon is unhappy with the decision to give warlord Dostum the title of Marshall. <a href="https://t.co/xYok4DcveI">https://t.co/xYok4DcveI</a></p>— Sangar Paykhar/ سنګر پیکار (@paykhar) <a href="https://twitter.com/paykhar/status/1262082464622751747?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Yes, read that again!

Former deputy speaker of the Afghan Parlimant thinks Taliban are better than the current warlords of the Kabul elite.
 
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