Backtracking: India says no helicopters used in 'surgical strikes'

[Syed1]

Just a day after India claimed that its army carried out “surgical strikes” inside Pakistan with the support of military choppers, a senior Indian minister retracted the claim saying “these did not involve any aerial operations.”

“There were no aerial strikes,” Indian Minister of State for Information and Broadcasting Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore, himself an ex-Indian Army man, told The Hindu during an interview.

Rathore said the Indian Army crossed the Line of Control (LoC) “on the ground” for carrying out what he termed were “pre-emptive strikes”. “That is not like crossing the international border.”

‘Surgical’ farce blows up in India’s face

On Thursday, soon after the Indian military claimed that it had carried out “surgical strikes” against perceived “terrorist launch pads” on the Pakistani side of the LoC in disputed Kashmir region, the Pakistani Army ripped to shreds the Indian farcical claim as an “illusion being deliberately generated by the Indians to create false effects”.

Rathore’s remarks appeared to endorse the version of the army’s media wing, ISPR, which insisted: “there has been no surgical strike by India, instead there had been cross-border fire initiated and conducted by India.”

While Indian media grossly exaggerated New Delhi’s claim, the Pakistani media, however, questioned its authenticity.

The Indian Express had called it a “defining moment” but said the government must now be vigilant to ensure that the “clamour for more” did not fuel an escalation in hostilities.

The Hindustan Times welcomed the strikes in an editorial headlined “Befitting response”, and said India would “take satisfaction from the revenge, served cold”.

Strategic analysts laugh off Indian claim

The Indian army provided little insight as to how the entire operation was conducted. The media there, however, said the operation was a combination of heliborne and ground forces. Special forces were para-dropped for the operation, it added. It said alleged terror launch pads targeted were in the range of 2- 3 kilometres from the LoC.

Some Indian news websites, which mentioned the use of helicopters in the operation:

The Economic Times



The Quint

India Today

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1191350/backtracking-india-says-no-helicopters-used-surgical-strikes/

 

[Syed1]

 

[Syed1]

The 'surgical strike' story couldn't even last a day )

 

[Eagle_Eye]

The 'surgical strike' story couldn't even last a day )

Whatever happened to Indus water diversion/blocking plans...... seems all quite on that front suddenly.

 

[Saeed]

There was no strike of any kind to begin with.

 

[Syed1]

It seems helicopters weren't used, so how did the Indian commandos come into Pakistan?

Were they using flying carpets?

 

[Hornbill]

It seems helicopters weren't used, so how did the Indian commandos come into Pakistan?

Were they using flying carpets?

The same guy claimed that India conducted surgical strike inside Myanmar but there was no official confirmation, Don't know why a reputed newspaper like hindu approached a unreliable guy him.

 

[Civil]

Allah bless our spy pigeons must have turned those helicopters right back

 

[Saeed]

It seems helicopters weren't used, so how did the Indian commandos come into Pakistan?

Were they using flying carpets?

Nope, it went something like this. A guy comes running into a beautiful looking room and tells Sunny deol that they just received information about terrorist camps. Few days later Sunny bhai is standing on a mountain. He has few maps on a table, terrorist hideouts are marked with orange X. Sunny Deol gives his comrades to wear the best military camo available. This camo comes with lastest technology and has the ability to resemble its surroundings when you press the green button. Long story short, they sneak right past Pakistani positions. They attack the terrorist hideouts. Sunny bhai plants Indian flag on Pakistan soil and they go back to India.

 

[PakLFC]

Even Indian congress members are challenging Modi and his people to prove what they claim. Other parties remain totally unconvinced as well.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Were they really no surgical strikes ? how do we know ? Some of international media seems to be reporting it .

 

[sjahmed23]

Wish there can be an INDEPENDENT inquiry on this incident and all incidents like this for the sake of the people in both countries.... But of course those in power will never agree and opt to continue deceiving the masses. What is shameful is how this rhetoric is being spewed by people on social media who have no knowledge about the ground realities.

 

[PakLFC]

Wish there can be an INDEPENDENT inquiry on this incident and all incidents like this for the sake of the people in both countries.... But of course those in power will never agree and opt to continue deceiving the masses. What is shameful is how this rhetoric is being spewed by people on social media who have no knowledge about the ground realities.

Pak will agree. We are happy for the UN to visit Azaad Kashmir and Balochistan. It's India that is terrified of being exposed in front o the world so will never allow an independent inquiry. We will have to force them in to it.

 

[keyser]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1191350/backtracking-india-says-no-helicopters-used-surgical-strikes/

Lovely a Pak article.

I dont get it if like you say there was no strike why are all you so angry "swearing revenge". Revenge for what? I mean if nothing happened?

I think the main issue is the embarassment of the US and now India attacking terrorists that the Pak army is sheltering.

 

[Civil]

Lovely a Pak article.

I dont get it if like you say there was no strike why are all you so angry "swearing revenge". Revenge for what? I mean if nothing happened?

I think the main issue is the embarassment of the US and now India attacking terrorists that the Pak army is sheltering.

The anger is for the unprovoked shelling.

Its laughable that you are even trying to put yourselves in even the same breath as the US. Just read the OP and go cry at the fact that what the indian army is claiming is such a grand story and they are even claiming to have proof yet didnt show it? Yeah right like they would pass up on that if it happen. Lollll.

Please tell all your other internet troll friends the anger isnt because they accept a surgical strike happened its the shelling that killed 2 soldiers. and to be honest beyond that its facepalming at indian media.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Ar least read the post above you before having a laughing fit . The anger is because of unprovoked shelling and shooting.

An Indian soldier caught, and Pakistan media reporting many of them dead. How could all that happen if nothing took place?

 

[Civil]

Lol for the last time no one said 'nothing' took place.

What didn't take place is the sequel for phantom 2 slash zero dark thirty that you guys are dreamimg up.

And the distinction needs to be made because if no 'strike' was made againstsupposed 'terrorists' you are relinquished to fact that wannabe superpower bharat cant even bully a 'failed state' like us militarily or economically. And anyting they do ends up getting more indian soldiers killed and captured. why no OTT indian media reports on the captured soldier?

But it's hard to bare i know ..probably pretty embarasing.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Lol for the last time no one said 'nothing' took place.

What didn't take place is the sequel for phantom 2 slash zero dark thirty that you guys are dreamimg up.

And the distinction needs to be made because if no 'strike' was made againstsupposed 'terrorists' you are relinquished to fact that wannabe superpower bharat cant even bully a 'failed state' like us militarily or economically. And anyting they do ends up getting more indian soldiers killed and captured. why no OTT indian media reports on the captured soldier?

But it's hard to bare i know ..probably pretty embarasing.

Not dreaming anything up, simply following media reports. Pakistan claims that it was just the usual cross-border firing. However, other conflicting Pakistani claims like capturing or killing Indian soldiers proves the opposite.

I am not even talking about what India claims. Just highlighting how reports from Pakistani media have been conflicting so far. It almost feels like a failed attempt to cover up something embarrassing.

 

[anuk]

From what I've read it's pretty clear there was no so called surgical strike of any sort. It was most likely a few Indian soldiers firing a motar or two into the Pakistani area.
The captured indian soldier was most likely a confused Indian on the run after he heard the motars.

Pretty embarrassing all around.

 

[Civil]

Not dreaming anything up, simply following media reports. Pakistan claims that it was just the usual cross-border firing. However, other conflicting Pakistani claims like capturing or killing Indian soldiers proves the opposite.

I am not even talking about what India claims. Just highlighting how reports from Pakistani media have been conflicting so far. It almost feels like a failed attempt to cover up something embarrassing.

Nope according to indians reports themselves that soldier was a wayward one. Happens all the time.

The killings were during the cross fire which also happens all the time too and videos were provided. India not owning up to it is the embarrasing part. Nothing really conflicting from pakistani part.

However if you put the story together that the majority of india believes based on indian reports which are outlined in OP its beyond embarrasing. Im glad you dont. looks like you havent taken the poison pill like the rest of the country folk. Good on ya. Makes you less deluded .

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Pak will agree. We are happy for the UN to visit Azaad Kashmir and Balochistan. It's India that is terrified of being exposed in front o the world so will never allow an independent inquiry. We will have to force them in to it.

Lol exactly.Thats what Pakistan wants.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Not surprised at all. I was trying to find any video evidence on all the news channel. They are showing a mock up video of how this happened not the actual video. There was a time when I used to believe whatever indian news channel used to feed us but not anymore. People should use their minds before believing any story.

 

[MenInG]

Not surprised at all. I was trying to find any video evidence on all the news channel. They are showing a mock up video of how this happened not the actual video. There was a time when I used to believe whatever indian news channel used to feed us but not anymore. People should use their minds before believing any story.

Dont think too many people are bothered nowadays. Easier to be spoonfed then go out there and check. Why both sets of govts cannot come up with a coherent story instead of random fighting words is beyond me.

 

[Waseem]

What's most amusing about the so called strike is NOT whether it was surgical or cross border shelling, it's the theory that Pakistani armed forces are somehow running terrorist camps right next to the border where terrorists are being trained to fight India. Only time they have launched an attack against India is after Indian forces killed over 100 people in Kashmir? So Kashmiri themselves can't possibly respond but rather Pakistanis from across the border manage to not only cross the border where hundreds of thousands of troops are deployed but even reached Indian military camp killing more than a dozen soldiers? WOW!

 

[Hornbill]

Not surprised at all. I was trying to find any video evidence on all the news channel. They are showing a mock up video of how this happened not the actual video. There was a time when I used to believe whatever indian news channel used to feed us but not anymore. People should use their minds before believing any story.

Even i'm not sure about the kind of operation took place. Rathore is not even authorised to give such statements, No need to take him seriously.

 

[Bashira_taeli]

No evidence has been presented so far whatsoever. However Indian Army has said that they have video evidence, and will release it at an appropriate time. I am hoping its in our lifetime.

I remember even we use to provide NATO in our briefings visuals of our ops. Soldier cam, pre/post op pictures and stuff like that. So I cant understand for the life of me why the Indian Army just doesnt release the footage, especially since it sounds like the greatest mly op in history of mankind.

 

[j_kazmi]

Not surprised at all. I was trying to find any video evidence on all the news channel. They are showing a mock up video of how this happened not the actual video. There was a time when I used to believe whatever indian news channel used to feed us but not anymore. People should use their minds before believing any story.

Yeah I think people should do this on both sides of the border becuase these news channels and governments only tell us half the story most of the time and other times tell us news that's just straight up false.

 

[Haroon786]

Keep all posts relevant to the thread topic - if you want to discuss other topics either make a new thread about it or post in the Topic-less thread.

 

[batfirst]

There were no surgical strikes, Indian soldiers come out of bunkers
and started firingg and Pak soldiers responded.

1 Indian soldier got captured, I think in the panic he ran in the
wrong direction.

 

[desirous of desire]

Isn't Pakistani Kashmir side higher than Indian Kashmir particularly at the area of this indian claimed surjical strike. what is the role left here for paratroopers if no helicopters were used?

 

[keyser]

The anger is for the unprovoked shelling.

Its laughable that you are even trying to put yourselves in even the same breath as the US. Just read the OP and go cry at the fact that what the indian army is claiming is such a grand story and they are even claiming to have proof yet didnt show it? Yeah right like they would pass up on that if it happen. Lollll.

Please tell all your other internet troll friends the anger isnt because they accept a surgical strike happened its the shelling that killed 2 soldiers. and to be honest beyond that its facepalming at indian media.

No one is putting in same breath as US. US hasnt fought direct wars with Pakistan. India has hence why its extra frustrating when these actions come from India.

I reassert if the strike "didnt happen" why the outrage why the swear of revenge? I dont buy the "they fired on us" well that has been happening for over a decade now on both sides.

Why is this time so different?

At least be consistent. This reminds me of when OBL was killed and all of sudden the spin was "hes been dead 10 years".

 

[Civil]

No one is putting in same breath as US. US hasnt fought direct wars with Pakistan. India has hence why its extra frustrating when these actions come from India.

I reassert if the strike "didnt happen" why the outrage why the swear of revenge? I dont buy the "they fired on us" well that has been happening for over a decade now on both sides.

Why is this time so different?

At least be consistent. This reminds me of when OBL was killed and all of sudden the spin was "hes been dead 10 years".

you put same breath as the US read your own post LOL.

so who swore revenge? anyone i know and seen has only laughed and ridiculed. We are the ones saying that everything that happened is business as usual, so why are indians claiming as if its some "surgical strike"

You have essentially encapsulated OUR argument for this whole thing and just pretended its what the Indians are saying.

 

[Bubby]

Surgical strikes video out, shows terror casualties, damage to bunkers

For the first time since India announced that it had conducted surgical strikes against terror launch pads in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) in September 2016, video clips of these operations were broadcast on several television news channels on Wednesday night.

These clips showed some terrorists being killed, besides destruction of bunkers and other military constructions. TV channels claimed these videos, which they had accessed from official sources, were taken by Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) and Thermal Imaging (TI) cameras used by the Army to monitor the operation.

“The videos are real. I can confirm that,” Lt General D S Hooda (retd), former Northern Army Commander who was directly in-charge of the surgical strikes told The Indian Express. The feed of these videos was reportedly being broadcast live during the surgical strikes to the operations room of his headquarters in Udhampur.

“When the surgical strikes happened, my view was that the videos should have been released as proof. It is good that they have come out now,” Lt General Hooda added.

On the intervening night of September 28-29, 2016, the Army had carried out surgical strikes on seven terror launch pads across the Line of Control (LoC) in PoK. The then DGMO, Lt General Ranbir Singh, had announced on September 29, 2016 that India had conducted surgical strikes on terror pads along the LoC using ground forces, inflicting “significant casualties” on terrorists

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[Mr.Q]

Thanks for the link. Everybody knows this actually took place. Pakistan won’t accept it for obvious reasons. Can’t blame them. They can’t come out and say “yes, India carried out an attack on our side and caused some damage”.

 

[MenInG]

Thanks for the link. Everybody knows this actually took place. Pakistan won’t accept it for obvious reasons. Can’t blame them. They can’t come out and say “yes, India carried out an attack on our side and caused some damage”.

Once again, 'leaked' video verified by someone from Indian army is a little laughable.

 

[Mr.Q]

Once again, 'leaked' video verified by someone from Indian army is a little laughable.

I don’t think the Govt. is doing all this to convince or provoke Pakistan. There’s some politics in this. They’re trying to tell the people of India that the Indian army will hit back if necessary instead of being a silent spectator. There were cries for some reaction from the Indian side particularly after that brutal Uri attack and most Indians see the surgical strike as a proud moment.

 

[MenInG]

I don’t think the Govt. is doing all this to convince or provoke Pakistan. There’s some politics in this. They’re trying to tell the people of India that the Indian army will hit back if necessary instead of being a silent spectator. There were cries for some reaction from the Indian side particularly after that brutal Uri attack and most Indians see the surgical strike as a proud moment.

Fairplay for local audiences.