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asyed

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Recently I happened to see of some the tremendous work Bahria Town and Malik Riaz is doing in the country. I'm completely astonished by the construction quality of these projects. Personally I'm not a fan of Mr. Malik but you have to give credit when it's due.

Inline are some pictures of Bahria project and would love to hear your views about them.

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That looks like some North American suburb.. I guess corruption does pay off some times..
 
Islamabad's/Rawalpindi's Bahria town is the best place to live in Pakistan. Hands down.
 
I have some pictures from Bahrain Town Islamabad if you want to see them ?
 
The picture sizes are too small - I will upload them later with a bigger size.
 
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My In-laws just moved there recently and dad has built a house there too, still developing area so will be intriguing to see in a few years time.
 
I have a house there spend some time there it has got every facilities possible beautiful place


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Indeed, looking at Bahria Town projects in Pakistan with such high quality of architect and development in fascinating.
 
I have visited the Rawalpindi Version Twice, Houses are nice But the place seems cut off from the rest of the city.
 
Ignoring this thread.

Too much positivity for my liking. :moyo
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] forget captaincy, Azhar, Malik and cricket and tell me what's your opinion about above!
 
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] forget captaincy, Azhar, Malik and cricket and tell me what's your opinion about above!

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Malik Riaz should be given the mayorship of Karachi, he has a knack of getting things done
 
[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION] it's great but personally would never live there, it reminds me too much of the TV show Wayward Pines :)) and there's no real sense of community has too much of a creepy aura. Heck if I wanted some bread how far are the shops etc? :)) looks like I'd be walking for days :yk But the work itself is incredibly impressive
 
Islamabad's/Rawalpindi's Bahria town is the best place to live in Pakistan. Hands down.

No it's not


It's E and F sectors are the best and the most expensive. Bahria Town is surrounded by Pindi Slums.
 
With the news this week of potential fraud, I wonder if other posters have any investment in the DHA valley project.
 
that really does look like an upper middle class suburb from the american mid west.
 
[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION] it's great but personally would never live there, it reminds me too much of the TV show Wayward Pines :)) and there's no real sense of community has too much of a creepy aura. Heck if I wanted some bread how far are the shops etc? :)) looks like I'd be walking for days :yk But the work itself is incredibly impressive

lol, but I'm certain they would have some kind of strip plaza near by homes and residential apartments.
 
[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION] it's great but personally would never live there, it reminds me too much of the TV show Wayward Pines :)) and there's no real sense of community has too much of a creepy aura. Heck if I wanted some bread how far are the shops etc? :)) looks like I'd be walking for days :yk But the work itself is incredibly impressive

Shaz, these planned areas have commercial areas assigned to them which tend to be near the residential areas.
 
Bahria isn't an upper-class area by any means.

Bahria is middle-class or upper middle class. The problem with Bahria is that it's just so far away from the city that none of the upper class would ever want to move there. I know in Lahore some of the upper class bought farm houses in bahria but they don't live there.

In Islamabad the upper class mostly live in Sectors E&F and in Lahore it's mostly Cantt or W/Y/X blocks of DHA and then I think these are followed by Model Town.
 
Bahria isn't an upper-class area by any means.

Bahria is middle-class or upper middle class. The problem with Bahria is that it's just so far away from the city that none of the upper class would ever want to move there. I know in Lahore some of the upper class bought farm houses in bahria but they don't live there.

In Islamabad the upper class mostly live in Sectors E&F and in Lahore it's mostly Cantt or W/Y/X blocks of DHA and then I think these are followed by Model Town.

Lahore: Gulberg, GOR I, Mayo Gardens, DHA Phase 1/2/4/5, Model Town, Zaman Park.
 
Bahria isn't an upper-class area by any means.

Bahria is middle-class or upper middle class. The problem with Bahria is that it's just so far away from the city that none of the upper class would ever want to move there. I know in Lahore some of the upper class bought farm houses in bahria but they don't live there.

In Islamabad the upper class mostly live in Sectors E&F and in Lahore it's mostly Cantt or W/Y/X blocks of DHA and then I think these are followed by Model Town.

I think you are confusing upper class with elite class. By upper class i included Upper Middle + Elite. Middle class cannot afford housing in Bahria.
 
I think you are confusing upper class with elite class. By upper class i included Upper Middle + Elite. Middle class cannot afford housing in Bahria.

Bahria is strictly middle/upper-middle. It's actually not that expensive.
 
Bahria is strictly middle/upper-middle. It's actually not that expensive.

Elite is someone who has filthy money.
Upper middle is someone who has two cars.
Middle is someone who has a mehran.
Lower middle is someone who has a bike.
Lower is someone who has a cycle.

Dont think a mehran owner can afford a house in bahria. Maybe a plot.

These are generalizations however^
 
Why can't be have such places here in India?

Everywhere here is a chaotic trafficky mess.
 
I personally prefer the architecture of houses in Model Town, Defence and Gulberg. Very old money kind of glamour, plus the whole idea of spacious lawns (not so much in Defence).

Post more pictures of these areas if you can to compare the architecture.
 
By the way this picture reminds me how some Indian film industry guy was saying that Bin Roye was shot in Dubai not in Pakistan (because the locations were so pretty), while in actual fact that movie was shot in Karachi.

Pakistan has some seriously gorgeous residential area. Some of the architecture is absolutely mind blowing - a perfect mix of Western contemporary, Mediterranean and traditional aesthetics.
 
[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION] it's great but personally would never live there, it reminds me too much of the TV show Wayward Pines :)) and there's no real sense of community has too much of a creepy aura. Heck if I wanted some bread how far are the shops etc? :)) looks like I'd be walking for days :yk But the work itself is incredibly impressive

Exactly what occurred to me when i saw the photos!
 
The project in Rawalpindi/Islamabad is a blockbuster. I like the way it's managed. The cleanliness level is really good. I hope it's a blockbuster in Karachi as well.
 
Yeah I recently went to Pakistan; as I had to deal with 'squatters issue' in regards to my dad's plots over in Bahria and Defence area. I was surprised how much it has developed; the one in Islamabad is on a different level; Very western-esque... And enviroment wise very good. I thought it would still be the same old desert.

However, I was originally not keen on dad investing in Bahria - the project leader of Bahria is a well known fraud and the zulum he did to the people who use to live in the areas of Bahria is unthinkable; the blood, badwa, and sweat of innocent people living there... Will haunt him, and I am sure with the problems he is facing; the haunt has already arrived.
 
Why would you want to live in the middle of nowhere way out of the city.

And what make you say it? Have you ever been to any of their projects?

They've anything and everything you will need within these towns.
 
These are good places to live for upwardly mobile middle to upper middle class people. They can still not afford the status and class areas like KDA, Clifton and certain Phases in defence but can enjoy a fantastic living standard here I presume.

However the issue is that our society is very materialistic and judgemental. There are many people who judge a persons whole life and worth through the car they drive and the area they live in. And people are aware and conscious of this. And hence many upper middle class and certainly most elites will not move to a project like this despite the amenities and ease of life it offers
 
These are good places to live for upwardly mobile middle to upper middle class people. They can still not afford the status and class areas like KDA, Clifton and certain Phases in defence but can enjoy a fantastic living standard here I presume.

However the issue is that our society is very materialistic and judgemental. There are many people who judge a persons whole life and worth through the car they drive and the area they live in. And people are aware and conscious of this. And hence many upper middle class and certainly most elites will not move to a project like this despite the amenities and ease of life it offers

Another good reason for elite and upper middle class to not move into such projects like this the location. Particularly, in karachi (uncertain about other locations), because other areas you mentioned are not far away from city.

Said that, as you've mentioned middle and upper middle class group of people wouldn't mind making investment toward these type of projects. Because living standard seems to me truly mind blowing.
 
They should have factored in mass transit connections instead of trying to re-create another Americana suburb.
 
Malik Riaz is merely a face of the Bahria Project. Bahria land is basically land that is stolen, or has no documented owner, whose ownership is then transferred to Bahria Town (Pvt) Ltd. The money goes in to the pockets of Wadera's, the Army, Sharif family, Khar family, Zardari etc. You cannot/it is very hard to get a loan from the bank to buy a Bahria property. With that being said, my father & grandfather own numerous Bahria properties in Islamabad and Rawalpindi, and they are the closest you will get to a western style lifestyle. I still prefer to live in my local village when I go on holiday to Pakistan.
 
Are there any colonial-era bungalows around in Karachi or Lahore similar to what you would see in Mumbai? At least what is left of it before being torn down to build ugly skyscrapers?
 
My sister lives in one in Pindi, amazing construction and neighborhood. Security, construction top notch, no load shedding. Her house is far better than mine in US which is not bad at all.
 
Guys I got cousins living in javed bahria housing society in hawksbay karachi, is that a luxurious location
 
Are there any colonial-era bungalows around in Karachi or Lahore similar to what you would see in Mumbai? At least what is left of it before being torn down to build ugly skyscrapers?

And you claim that you are a pakistani.
 
Why can't be have such places here in India?

Everywhere here is a chaotic trafficky mess.

Where do you live in India? Such places are dime a dozen in hyderabad. There are gated communities at every nook and corner here. The place i live has tennis court, swimming pool gym function hall etc. The vendors come here at specific days to sell their wares. Traffic is regulated and the security is top notch. Cameras and security guards at every gate if any visitor comes the security guard will call us at the house phone installed for this purpose only In fact when i see some TV star house in mumbai i feel my house is grander and better. The traffic outside of gated communities will be heavy at specific hours especially near hitech city area that's given but further away the traffic is reasonable in this city. These kind of places are also very common in Bangalore.
 
Where do you live in India? Such places are dime a dozen in hyderabad. There are gated communities at every nook and corner here. The place i live has tennis court, swimming pool gym function hall etc. The vendors come here at specific days to sell their wares. Traffic is regulated and the security is top notch. Cameras and security guards at every gate if any visitor comes the security guard will call us at the house phone installed for this purpose only In fact when i see some TV star house in mumbai i feel my house is grander and better. The traffic outside of gated communities will be heavy at specific hours especially near hitech city area that's given but further away the traffic is reasonable in this city. These kind of places are also very common in Bangalore.

But it seems like houses aren't as common in India as it is In Pakistan nor as large
 
But it seems like houses aren't as common in India as it is In Pakistan nor as large

Nope it is very common in india especially in bangalore and Hyderabad not sure about rest of india as i don't live in those places. Even non gated communities apartments are very large they have a whole separate balcony for washing clothes and utensils and a separate puja room. Bungalows and gated communities are a norm here not an exception.

Here is the view from my apartment

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Bahria Town is everything not to do in modern urban planism. But it's not really their fault as this is what the average Pakistani wants, the american suburb lifestyle.
 
Bahria Town is a good place to live (I am talking about the Rawalpindi/ISB part) because I lived there for the greater part of 05 years.

There are good things and there are bad things about this place that people would never tell you.

First the good:

1. Pretty clean environments and easy facilities like tennis courts (Safari Villas), even get clay courts, some grounds and lots of places for children to play. The restaurants are chic, not expensive (but then that's really subjective) and you get all the bakeries and marts.

2. The living standard is much better with no shortage of electricity. We don't get loadshedding like any other part of the city, and we barely had to suffer anytime during the whole 05 years.

3. The areas are far from congestion and traffic and day to day pollution and the higher up the mountains you go in phase 8 and 9 perhaps even, the more fresh air and scenic the views get.

The CONS

Now let me focus on the cons

1. It's downright risky to live there. Sure, Bahria provides their own security forces, but the guards are underpaid and don't really want to work. A General's Dogs were put to sleep and his house robbed in the night by some professionals. My own house was held at gunpoint and they took away many lacs from our house. Another Brigadier's house was done for in Phase III. This was basically in Phase II and III which are well estlablished areas.

So my recommendation is for anyone, who wants to move to Bahria Town, hire a full time security guard of your own pocket, who will be able to monitor everything. Give him live video feeds of the house entrance at front and back and only then, you are somewhat safe.

Otherwise, it's just your luck that's preventing you from being robbed or plundered by dacoits.

2. The second big negative is that you need at least 2 cars to stay there. 2 is even less most of the times. My brother had to go to university, I had my university, my father worked and my mother worked. We needed 4 cars, to be able to reach the city. Had to buy 3 of them, and my mom got one through office.
It's so far away from actual civilized world, you really can't live with one car here.

3. The 3rd negative is off course, not close to Saddar, and other parts of Rawalpindi. The Airport is pretty far away, and the Islamabad Lahore causeway that connects the Bahria Town Phase II to the Airport road, is the most dangerous road in the world with at least 2-3 accidents per day.

4. There are only a few schools and they are pretty expensive, so unless you are willing to shelve out lots of money to raise your children in private schools, your wallet is going to suffer a big drain.

All in all, there are some positives and some negatives in living at Bahria Town ISB/Rawalpindi.

My gut feeling is this: If you've got the cash to spill, can afford a couple of cars, and not overtly worried about saving for every single day and the future, it's a great place to live. And also if you can bear the loss of some money in tennis courts, management fees, cable etc etc which sometimes needs to be directly hauled to your house.

But if you really don't, and you belong to the middle middle class or lower middle class, where income must be saved , it would be hell to live there.

Good luck to anyone who wants to go.

And feel free to ask me any questions you want. Have a 5 year experience of living there.
 
Bahria Town is a good place to live (I am talking about the Rawalpindi/ISB part) because I lived there for the greater part of 05 years.

There are good things and there are bad things about this place that people would never tell you.

First the good:

1. Pretty clean environments and easy facilities like tennis courts (Safari Villas), even get clay courts, some grounds and lots of places for children to play. The restaurants are chic, not expensive (but then that's really subjective) and you get all the bakeries and marts.

2. The living standard is much better with no shortage of electricity. We don't get loadshedding like any other part of the city, and we barely had to suffer anytime during the whole 05 years.

3. The areas are far from congestion and traffic and day to day pollution and the higher up the mountains you go in phase 8 and 9 perhaps even, the more fresh air and scenic the views get.

The CONS

Now let me focus on the cons

1. It's downright risky to live there. Sure, Bahria provides their own security forces, but the guards are underpaid and don't really want to work. A General's Dogs were put to sleep and his house robbed in the night by some professionals. My own house was held at gunpoint and they took away many lacs from our house. Another Brigadier's house was done for in Phase III. This was basically in Phase II and III which are well estlablished areas.

So my recommendation is for anyone, who wants to move to Bahria Town, hire a full time security guard of your own pocket, who will be able to monitor everything. Give him live video feeds of the house entrance at front and back and only then, you are somewhat safe.

Otherwise, it's just your luck that's preventing you from being robbed or plundered by dacoits.

2. The second big negative is that you need at least 2 cars to stay there. 2 is even less most of the times. My brother had to go to university, I had my university, my father worked and my mother worked. We needed 4 cars, to be able to reach the city. Had to buy 3 of them, and my mom got one through office.
It's so far away from actual civilized world, you really can't live with one car here.

3. The 3rd negative is off course, not close to Saddar, and other parts of Rawalpindi. The Airport is pretty far away, and the Islamabad Lahore causeway that connects the Bahria Town Phase II to the Airport road, is the most dangerous road in the world with at least 2-3 accidents per day.

4. There are only a few schools and they are pretty expensive, so unless you are willing to shelve out lots of money to raise your children in private schools, your wallet is going to suffer a big drain.

All in all, there are some positives and some negatives in living at Bahria Town ISB/Rawalpindi.

My gut feeling is this: If you've got the cash to spill, can afford a couple of cars, and not overtly worried about saving for every single day and the future, it's a great place to live. And also if you can bear the loss of some money in tennis courts, management fees, cable etc etc which sometimes needs to be directly hauled to your house.

But if you really don't, and you belong to the middle middle class or lower middle class, where income must be saved , it would be hell to live there.

Good luck to anyone who wants to go.

And feel free to ask me any questions you want. Have a 5 year experience of living there.

Excellent analysis. More of these posts please doctor and not those silly threads.
 
Islamabad Zone 1 is the best place to live in Pakistan, Bahria Town might look good from outside but commute is a headache if you are living there. Houses are very cheap in BT compared to Islamabad Zone 1.
 
Bahria Town is a good place to live (I am talking about the Rawalpindi/ISB part) because I lived there for the greater part of 05 years.

There are good things and there are bad things about this place that people would never tell you.

First the good:

1. Pretty clean environments and easy facilities like tennis courts (Safari Villas), even get clay courts, some grounds and lots of places for children to play. The restaurants are chic, not expensive (but then that's really subjective) and you get all the bakeries and marts.

2. The living standard is much better with no shortage of electricity. We don't get loadshedding like any other part of the city, and we barely had to suffer anytime during the whole 05 years.

3. The areas are far from congestion and traffic and day to day pollution and the higher up the mountains you go in phase 8 and 9 perhaps even, the more fresh air and scenic the views get.

The CONS

Now let me focus on the cons

1. It's downright risky to live there. Sure, Bahria provides their own security forces, but the guards are underpaid and don't really want to work. A General's Dogs were put to sleep and his house robbed in the night by some professionals. My own house was held at gunpoint and they took away many lacs from our house. Another Brigadier's house was done for in Phase III. This was basically in Phase II and III which are well estlablished areas.

So my recommendation is for anyone, who wants to move to Bahria Town, hire a full time security guard of your own pocket, who will be able to monitor everything. Give him live video feeds of the house entrance at front and back and only then, you are somewhat safe.

Otherwise, it's just your luck that's preventing you from being robbed or plundered by dacoits.

2. The second big negative is that you need at least 2 cars to stay there. 2 is even less most of the times. My brother had to go to university, I had my university, my father worked and my mother worked. We needed 4 cars, to be able to reach the city. Had to buy 3 of them, and my mom got one through office.
It's so far away from actual civilized world, you really can't live with one car here.

3. The 3rd negative is off course, not close to Saddar, and other parts of Rawalpindi. The Airport is pretty far away, and the Islamabad Lahore causeway that connects the Bahria Town Phase II to the Airport road, is the most dangerous road in the world with at least 2-3 accidents per day.

4. There are only a few schools and they are pretty expensive, so unless you are willing to shelve out lots of money to raise your children in private schools, your wallet is going to suffer a big drain.

All in all, there are some positives and some negatives in living at Bahria Town ISB/Rawalpindi.

My gut feeling is this: If you've got the cash to spill, can afford a couple of cars, and not overtly worried about saving for every single day and the future, it's a great place to live. And also if you can bear the loss of some money in tennis courts, management fees, cable etc etc which sometimes needs to be directly hauled to your house.

But if you really don't, and you belong to the middle middle class or lower middle class, where income must be saved , it would be hell to live there.

Good luck to anyone who wants to go.

And feel free to ask me any questions you want. Have a 5 year experience of living there.

Thanks for the detailed analysis.

Its really scary to know that even with all the security, robberies are happening. Bahria always use the secured gated community as one of their project's USP, however seems like that's not the case.
 
I have been a resident of Bahria town Lahore from past 6 years. I have spent my schooling as well as University age in the Emirates, So i am a regular visitor once a year. Bahria town is indeed a very secure place to live comparatively to other area of Lahore, for example you can walk the street anytime of the night and use your smartphone btw this is not possible by any means in Lahore city.

The Bahria town community is very civilized(Road Manners, Cleanliness and best educated people around) , so you don't feel like you have moved away from the comforts of Dubai, yea until unless you visit the neighboring village. The best part being the developers have provided almost every food outlet, clothing brand etc inside the society, so there is no need to go outside Bahria.

For me it is a very positive move as we (my family all of us reside in the Emirates) just need to have some quality time off from daily work routines for a month and for us Bahria is perfect with the no load shedding factor it's Eid anyday we are there.

Mind you i have stayed good years in Lahore city and all my friends belong to those areas, Every time i go i make sure i spend good time with them and trust me there is a vast difference.

Anyone from Lahore here can tell you disaster Multan Road has tuned to be on Lahore Traffic.
 
I have been a resident of Bahria town Lahore from past 6 years. I have spent my schooling as well as University age in the Emirates, So i am a regular visitor once a year. Bahria town is indeed a very secure place to live comparatively to other area of Lahore, for example you can walk the street anytime of the night and use your smartphone btw this is not possible by any means in Lahore city.

The Bahria town community is very civilized(Road Manners, Cleanliness and best educated people around) , so you don't feel like you have moved away from the comforts of Dubai, yea until unless you visit the neighboring village. The best part being the developers have provided almost every food outlet, clothing brand etc inside the society, so there is no need to go outside Bahria.

For me it is a very positive move as we (my family all of us reside in the Emirates) just need to have some quality time off from daily work routines for a month and for us Bahria is perfect with the no load shedding factor it's Eid anyday we are there.

Mind you i have stayed good years in Lahore city and all my friends belong to those areas, Every time i go i make sure i spend good time with them and trust me there is a vast difference.

Anyone from Lahore here can tell you disaster Multan Road has tuned to be on Lahore Traffic.

Yes its good 15km away from the city (Thokkar). That is something of a worry but with good roads(Canal Road) it doesn't seem much. Once i land it takes me good 60Mins to reach Bahria from Iqbal Airport.
 
What is the best way to buy a house or plot in bahria town? I live abroad and would like to buy one....Any details or help?
 
Islamabad Zone 1 is the best place to live in Pakistan, Bahria Town might look good from outside but commute is a headache if you are living there. Houses are very cheap in BT compared to Islamabad Zone 1.

Seemingly for people like you Expensive place = Best place irrespective of other factors.
 
My impression of bahria town when I visited there was it's a summer house for many Foreign pakistanis, I would hate to live there, I much prefer to live in My village.
 
Why, does it not have all the facilities needed for an urban lifestyle?

The consumer decides what is important, and that decision is reflected in the price of the real estate. For example, South Delhi is congested with awful traffic, however a 400 square yard plot may be priced at $5+ million in Gulmohar Park.

If you wish to live with modern amenities, there are many such developments in India, and not too far for the center of the city too. For example, google "palm meadows whitefield bangalore".
 
Being corrupted apart, Malik Riaz is really taking Pakistan forward with such plans. None of the housing scheme is able to reflect such quality and unity.

and there are more of middle and upper class schemes unlike most people think. A home in Bahria town would be 10-50 times cheaper than the one in core of Islamabad. Although I wish to see him making good homes for poor people. Everyone deserves a better lifestyle after-all.
 
Being corrupted apart, Malik Riaz is really taking Pakistan forward with such plans. None of the housing scheme is able to reflect such quality and unity.

and there are more of middle and upper class schemes unlike most people think. A home in Bahria town would be 10-50 times cheaper than the one in core of Islamabad. Although I wish to see him making good homes for poor people. Everyone deserves a better lifestyle after-all.

The guy has planned a few universities too. :altaf

That is the biggest plus for me
 
Unfortunately for BT, ganja bros. are now destroying a part of it in Lahore to make way for Ring Road, only to make a new highway to Raiwind Palace.

These poor guys paid 1 crore plus for there houses and are now being compensated at 10 laks, THIS IS DAYLIGHT ROBBERY BY GANJA BROS.

Thankfully Malik Riaz is going to compensate all the affectees from his own wallet, BUT THE SAD THING IS, imagine what ganja bros. have done to all those other poor people living in smaller housing societies and kachi abadis. There houses and lands have been ripped apart for a highway and have been compensated at less than 10% of there real value.
 
Malik Riaz is deep in bed with the lal masjid folk.. The BT in Islamabad has a branch of jamia hafsa and Riaz's donations to their ilk are well known.

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Another feather in the cap for Baharia Town. New karachi cricket stadium, biggest in the country and is inspired by dubai stadium.
36 hole pga standard golf course
football stadium
 
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