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Bangladesh Fans: How will you treat Mushfiqur Rahim after this loss?

I started watching when 5 New Zealand batsmen were out. What happened?
 
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Damn that’s big. It happens though. Bangladesh fought well. He took a great catch near the end too
 
He costed us big time with the gloves

He should let someone else keep.
 
Cannot blame him totally.

The ball was just hitting the stump if his gloves was not involved. He was caught in 2 mind whether to leave it or take the ball
 
Really can’t be bothered, I used to get angry 5 years ago but now we just have to accept that he is going to cost us games. The Bangla Big 5 politics you can’t really do anything about it. Mashrafee bowling and also his inclusion in the side is questionable, Mushy keeping and Tamim after averaging 22 in World Cup matches with a strike rate of 60 still keeps getting chances thanks to Akram Chacha. Mushfiq, Mashrafee and Tamim are not big match players. We have accepted it, just gotta live with it man. This was a very poor match, poor cricket from both sides.
 
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LOL that goes against ALL norms of wicket keeping. Kids who have been wicket keepers in their lives would know that the absolute first rule that a keeper is taught is that their gloves should never be infront of the stumps. Here Bangladeshi Akmal is receiving the ball infront of the stumps. Absolute pathetic keeping.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Really can’t be bothered, I used to get angry 5 years ago but now we just have to accept that he is going to cost us games. The Bangla Big 5 politics you can’t really do anything about it. Mashrafee bowling and also his inclusion in the side is questionable, Mushy keeping and Tamim after averaging 22 in World Cup matches with a strike rate of 60 still keeps getting chances thanks to Akram Chacha. Mushfiq, Mashrafee and Tamim are not big match players. We have accepted it, just gotta live with it man. This was a very poor match, poor cricket from both sides.
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How much money you lost on the bet with your mum today :amla
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Really can’t be bothered, I used to get angry 5 years ago but now we just have to accept that he is going to cost us games. The Bangla Big 5 politics you can’t really do anything about it. Mashrafee bowling and also his inclusion in the side is questionable, Mushy keeping and Tamim after averaging 22 in World Cup matches with a strike rate of 60 still keeps getting chances thanks to Akram Chacha. Mushfiq, Mashrafee and Tamim are not big match players. We have accepted it, just gotta live with it man. This was a very poor match, poor cricket from both sides.
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Its just a mistake, mushi was phenomenal with bat in last match, sarfaraz missed the catch+runout on a same ball but its part of cricket.
 
I know his blunder has enough to do with his vertically challenged presence, but it was grave error from day one by Bangladesh to give the gloves to someone who is 5"2 and I have seen missed chances and errors of late from him, which would have been comfortable taken (or avoided in the case of the latter) if he wasn't so short.
 
Mushfiqur is a great individual, who means well and always tries to do his best for Bangladesh, but he is just not as smart as one would expect him to be in cricket after playing so many years. For sure, he has helped us win so many games, but at the same time, he has cost Bangladesh games by just doing silly stuff like this! Remember the game against India when he hit a boundary and started acting like he won the match already, then we all know what happened.
 
Junaid_ahmed said:
Its just a mistake, mushi was phenomenal with bat in last match, sarfaraz missed the catch+runout on a same ball but its part of cricket.
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I have been seeing Mushfiqur’s ‘part of cricket’ for quite a while. I am used to it now. Dil pathar Ho Gaya :moyo
 
Mushfiqur is still a better batsman than safi!
But yes, i think he should give up wicket keeping and play just as a top order bat. But that might weaken the side. Unless you guys have another decent wicket keeper/batsman?
 
BaankeJi said:
Was there any premature celebration before he shattered the stumps?
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No there was no premature celebration, he got a mouthful from Tamim and the whole team was quite disappointed as everyone knew he messed up big time.
 
The issue is his position. After seeing the direction of the ball, what he was doing at that awkward position?

It's not just one off blunder but a big technical error from a wk.
 
Didn’t like Tamim yelling in anger at Mushfiqur, they might be best buddies off the files but you just don’t behave like this.

Mushfiqur has won many games for BD so one mistake like this can be easily forgiven.
 
Isn’t mushfiqur lined upto replace Mashrafe if he keeps performing well
Joke of a mess up to get Kane dismisses
Keeping needs to be better at this stage of the tournament
 
There's no guarantee Bangla would have won if Mushfiqur didn't stick his gloves out. NZ are a very hard to beat these days.
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Really can’t be bothered, I used to get angry 5 years ago but now we just have to accept that he is going to cost us games. The Bangla Big 5 politics you can’t really do anything about it. Mashrafee bowling and also his inclusion in the side is questionable, Mushy keeping and Tamim after averaging 22 in World Cup matches with a strike rate of 60 still keeps getting chances thanks to Akram Chacha. Mushfiq, Mashrafee and Tamim are not big match players. We have accepted it, just gotta live with it man. This was a very poor match, poor cricket from both sides.
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Are you for real? These are your best players, you are talking as if you have the better players warming the bench because of them.
 
Just part of the game - fans should move on.

This was innovation by late Bob Woolmer, who first showed a calculation that keeper gathering ball behind stick an then reach out for nails vs WK gathering & breaking nails in one motion often can earn almost half a metre, but the 2nd exercise is extremely risky for today’s incident.

He trained his WK (Boucher perfected that) on the judgement of when to reach for the hall (in front of bails), and when to allow the ball to reach gloves (behind/besides bails).

Normally, for throws from boundary WK should place himself at safe distance and gather in front of bails and break it at one motion (often this results in run out for tight doubles). For throws from inside circle, it’s better to stay behind because it could be a direct hit and no matter how swift the WK is, he simply can’t be faster than a thrown ball.

I am sure BD coach has explained this many times, Mushi himself definitely knows this, still he made the blunder - this is purely situational intelligence, which often people are born with (some are better than others) .... hence Mushi made that blunder few more times, never saw MSD doing that mistake in 15 years.
 
He made a mistake. He is still a brilliant batter. He makes the team on batting merit alone, he has never convinced as a keeper. Bring a specialist keeper and let him concentrate on his batting.
 
I think its stupid cricket rule that you cant run people out if bails were dislodged prior to run out.
 
I don't understand what's the deal with this Mushfiqur, most premier wk batsmen tend to let go of keeping to focus more on batting. He is clearly the not the best wk in the country and his occupying such important role will continue to cost BD matches. Top batsman, average keeper and quite insecure as a person.
 
BDfanforever said:
I think its stupid cricket rule that you cant run people out if bails were dislodged prior to run out.
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You still can you just need to uproot a stump with ball in the hand. Rahim didnt have much time and was unaware of his surroundings.
 
BDfanforever said:
I think its stupid cricket rule that you cant run people out if bails were dislodged prior to run out.
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It’s a brilliant rule, which differentiates nit WK with clumsy one. I have mentioned MSD .... Allen Knot played over 500 FC games in 20+ years career, and 2 years in WSC - through out his career, there is no record of Knott dislodging bails before gathering the ball!!!!!!!

Cricket has always been a perfectionist game, a little like snooker or golf where millimetre counts - it should be kept like that.
 
Hasan123 said:
He made a mistake. He is still a brilliant batter. He makes the team on batting merit alone, he has never convinced as a keeper. Bring a specialist keeper and let him concentrate on his batting.
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Exactly!! he is the best batsman in his team, not like he will be dropped if he doesn't continue keeping.
 
Titan24 said:
You still can you just need to uproot a stump with ball in the hand. Rahim didnt have much time and was unaware of his surroundings.
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Ok that make sense why umpire was looking for stumps being uprooted or not. Mushy probably was unaware of such rule.
 
He should give the gloves to somebody else. Maybe its an ego thing for him- similar to Bairstow who was not happy with not getting the gloves in Test matches.
 
MMHS said:
It’s a brilliant rule, which differentiates nit WK with clumsy one. I have mentioned MSD .... Allen Knot played over 500 FC games in 20+ years career, and 2 years in WSC - through out his career, there is no record of Knott dislodging bails before gathering the ball!!!!!!!

Cricket has always been a perfectionist game, a little like snooker or golf where millimetre counts - it should be kept like that.
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I disagree now I know why American system is usually superior. In Baseball you tag any part of player body, the player is considered out. You don't have to be perfect about it. Its really that simple. Bails or stump are both part of the same body.

In this case, to me KW was out whether Mushy was perfect or not.
 
Yes, it's an insecurity thing. It could be that he realises that his batting stats look pretty good for a wicket-keeper batsman but if looked at from a batsman only POV they become pretty average. He needs to overcome this and realise that he is the best and most dependable batsman in the team and let Liton keep wickets.

Unfortunately the E5 (Experienced 5 - Mashrafe, Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmudullah) all stick together and watch each other's backs. When Tamim was dropped a few years ago, they all protested against the board until the decision was reversed.
 
The Viper said:
He should give the gloves to somebody else. Maybe its an ego thing for him- similar to Bairstow who was not happy with not getting the gloves in Test matches.
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It is ego, Mushfiqur has been a wicketkeeper his entire life, wicketkeeping is his identity as a cricketer (as it is for Bairstow). He may not be a good keeper but that's all he has ever done in his life. It's not like Dravid who's not a regular keeper but can keep when required.
 
WK's job is really thankless one. You really have to be perfect. In close and high pressure games like yesterday's one it gets more intense.

He really should give up gloves. I'm sure his batting output will improve even more. He is still in his batting prime.
 
He is a fine player, and it is a one off mistake. Shrug it off and move on.

Bangladesh lost this match with their weak batting in last 20 overs...the bare minimum they should have got was 270-275

Form of Mashrafe also not inspiring much. He needs to be giving them atleast 6-7 overs per game...right now they are hiding him
 
Mashrafee with his bowling and Tamim with his batting is a bigger burden than Mushfiq’s keeping
 
BDfanforever said:
We are playing with 10 men as Mashrafe is useless both bat and ball.
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We are playing with 9 players. Tamim has a horrendous World Cup record, 2 fifties vs Ireland and Scotland and one fifty in 2007 World Cup against India. Look at how David Warner batted and he started his career after Tamim. Mashrsfee bhai ar Ki bolbo :facepalm:
 
Mushfiqur is our best batsman. Stats will not tell you this but he is one of those guys that can bat at any situation and against any oppositition. Technically sound. Can hit big. Performs in the big stages too

But his keeping is a liability
 
The issue was the lack of match awareness, Shakib and Tamim both knew straightaway Rahim broke the stumps before the ball was in his possession. He had enough time to pull a stump out of the ground and complete the run out, shame Bangladesh played very well in the second innings and deserved to win.
 
BDfanforever said:
I disagree now I know why American system is usually superior. In Baseball you tag any part of player body, the player is considered out. You don't have to be perfect about it. Its really that simple. Bails or stump are both part of the same body.

In this case, to me KW was out whether Mushy was perfect or not.
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Wrong comparison - rule is different. In cricket, a batsman is out is the bail is dislodged from it's groove (& falls down). It's possible that ball hits stick, bail jumps high and settles down again (happened to SWaugh & J Wright in Test match), or ball passes through wickets without removing the bail (happened to Symcox, twice in Faisalabad Test '97) - both cases batsman Not Out.

The Run Out rule also has a logic - once the ball deflects from wicket, the batsmen are often blind about where about of the ball - it's quite logical that a batsman shouldn't be run-out 2nd time from direct throw; up rooting stick is just a process to ensure someone is receiving the ball in batsman's awareness. The rules of Cricket were established long before Yanks were even civilized - there had been lots of thoughts given in those laws, this one (dislodging bails) was one of the earlier laws, most probably sometimes around 1680.

No, American system is not superior, it's different. In cricket, there is also scopes of soft touch - even the faintest of edges can get a batsman out (or save from LBW). Mushi did a complete nut job and every BD players new that - their body language showed it, Mushi as well. But, these things happen and it might happen again for Mushi, reason is that he is clumsy, not that the rule is flawed.
 
What Mushfiqur done was very stupid. Even once the bails were removed, he could have taken the stumps out. Might cost Bangladesh big time when it comes to the World Cup
 
With all the rain and matches being called off, this could be something BD may reflect upon. 4 points after facing RSA and NZ would been huge for BD.
 
Mushfiqur is not a good keeper. He is at the level of Kamran Akmal but bats way way way better than Kamran. Team management should play Mushfiqur only as a batsman otherwise same types of mistakes will hapoen
 
If he collected that ball properly NZ would been like 60-3. There is no way they would have won from that position.

Bangladesh would have 5 points now and sitting happy at number 2 position. Beating RSA and NZ would been huge for us since we were always going to lose against Eng.

Bangladesh team is always full of “what if...”

We really had an extremely tough opening fixtures then when things were getting easier rain had its say.
 
Damn this guy took out both Pakistan and Bangladesh out of semi contention with that blunder.
 
Solely blaming Mushy won't do.

Our middle order didn't oerform. Our captain was not aggressive enough and fizz Gave width to the NZ tail enders
 
Executioner said:
Solely blaming Mushy won't do.

Our middle order didn't oerform. Our captain was not aggressive enough and fizz Gave width to the NZ tail enders
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Right no one blaming just Mushy. No one will play the match perfectly without blunders.

Our middle order overall is actually 2nd or 3rd best in the tournament after Eng and Aus. Its our TOP order Tamim/Soumya who has been garbage throughout the tournament. Also you cant be winning games with 10 men and when your supposed strike bowler us averaging 315 for 1 wicket.

Mashrafe, Tamim, Soumya(poor batting) these three guys cost BD big time. All of these guys need to take a boot.
 
Executioner said:
Solely blaming Mushy won't do.

Our middle order didn't oerform. Our captain was not aggressive enough and fizz Gave width to the NZ tail enders
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Team was depending solely on Shakib. Over all good performance by BD, Wash out was hurting BD and if the batsman had little patience against India.
 
Damn, he took out BD, Pak, as well as India chances with that blunder.

You see Gulbadin? Thats how you take people for a dive alongside you.
 
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Mushfiq shouldn't keep. He is worse keeper than Kamran Akmal.

He should play as a batsman only.
 
Mushfiq will be given a flat along with 2 cars by our Honorable Prime Minister. Sheikh Hasina already stated we had a successful world cup, our prime Minister has a minnow mentality :odoyo
 
Caved12 said:
Mushfiqur is a great individual, who means well and always tries to do his best for Bangladesh, but he is just not as smart as one would expect him to be in cricket after playing so many years. For sure, he has helped us win so many games, but at the same time, he has cost Bangladesh games by just doing silly stuff like this! Remember the game against India when he hit a boundary and started acting like he won the match already, then we all know what happened.
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This is how I remember Mushfiq really, OVER EXCITED. You need a calm head behind the stumps and he is just too itchy. Needs to learn keeping from MS Dhoni.
 
Dios said:
Unfortunately the E5 (Experienced 5 - Mashrafe, Shakib, Tamim, Mushfiqur and Mahmudullah) all stick together and watch each other's backs. When Tamim was dropped a few years ago, they all protested against the board until the decision was reversed.
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Its a dangerous precedent. Malik/Yousuf/Misbah/Afridi+few others went this way back in 2009 and the team was in doll drums. If Bangladesh aspire to be a top side, they should simply

- drop Mashrafe
- drop Tamim until he finds his form
- drop Somya completely, he is a hack
- give keeping gloves to Liton Das
- try and groom an express fast bowler and a right arm leg spinner
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Mushfiq will be given a flat along with 2 cars by our Honorable Prime Minister. Sheikh Hasina already stated we had a successful world cup, our prime Minister has a minnow mentality :odoyo
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It will probably not be surprising if Hasina does that.

Our players get too much praise for very little performance.

I honestly no longer care about them a lot. BCB is managed like a circus.
 
Time to start focusing on Field Hockey. Would be cool to play against Belgium, Argentina, Spain, Germany, etc
 
Ashraful_Rox said:
Mushfiq will be given a flat along with 2 cars by our Honorable Prime Minister. Sheikh Hasina already stated we had a successful world cup, our prime Minister has a minnow mentality :odoyo
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really? after finishing 8th in the WC?
 
pakistanisgreat said:
Team was depending solely on Shakib. Over all good performance by BD, Wash out was hurting BD and if the batsman had little patience against India.
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I dont meant to overrate the side but this team had far more potential than being ranked 8th. Our pace bowling stocks were miserable and we did nothing to pick Strike bowlers who can bowl quick like Taskin or Rubel. Our fans were dissappointed, our cricketers are dissapointed too.

I am saying this because our senior batsmen are at their peak. Next world cup they likely won't be. I believe we were good enough to perhaps sneak into the semis or atleast be ranked 8th but we let ourselves down espeically in the fielding department. I have never seen Bangladesh field THIS bad in this decade. We let go of crucial chances, barely hit the stumps with our throws, and ground fielding was just club-level.
 
Executioner said:
I dont meant to overrate the side but this team had far more potential than being ranked 8th. Our pace bowling stocks were miserable and we did nothing to pick Strike bowlers who can bowl quick like Taskin or Rubel. Our fans were dissappointed, our cricketers are dissapointed too.

I am saying this because our senior batsmen are at their peak. Next world cup they likely won't be. I believe we were good enough to perhaps sneak into the semis or atleast be ranked 8th but we let ourselves down espeically in the fielding department. I have never seen Bangladesh field THIS bad in this decade. We let go of crucial chances, barely hit the stumps with our throws, and ground fielding was just club-level.
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I agree what you said however, batting failed for all the teams. Indian mostly depended on Kholi, and sharma..Pakistan only on Babar...NZ only on Kane and taylor, SA only faf. Yes fielding was bad.
 
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