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Bangladesh refuse to play Tests in Pakistan [PCB to meet BCB in Dubai - Update Post#175]

PCB as been chasing BCB for a month now, they should've told them this last month. If you can come for full tour, nice, if not then adios and Pakistan should've given a review to their relationship with BCB.

PCB than tried to negotiate with a country like Bangladesh that was insane and you have several posters here who are acting desperate still wanting them to tour for 3 t20s which is below self-respect and setting a bad precedent which eventually not help PCB.

What is wrong with Bangladesh as a country?
 
Pakistan won't play the Test series anywhere outside of Pakistan. Bangladesh won't play that Test series in Pakistan.

So how will the points system work here? Of course ICC can't award the points to Pakistan because then they'll have to do the same when other teams refuse to tour Pakistan.
 
Pakistan won't play the Test series anywhere outside of Pakistan. Bangladesh won't play that Test series in Pakistan.

So how will the points system work here? Of course ICC can't award the points to Pakistan because then they'll have to do the same when other teams refuse to tour Pakistan.

Most likely be shared.
 
More drama and a ridiculous excuse from
BCB. If they had straight away mentioned they will only tour T20s for now and will assess test matches down the line , nobody would have disagreed but the constant back and forth along with this stupid US Iran excuse makes them look unprofessional.

Having said that , Pakistan should host Bangladesh for the 3 T20s in good faith. Reintroducing test cricket is a slow process and needs to be handled with care. Host teams for T20 and ODI. Go incident free for a year. And then slowly introduce tests. It’s unfortunate but PCB has no leverage or choice.
 
Bangladesis don't like test cricket based on what I have observed :). They generally try to avoid this format, PCB should just play the T20s as part of preparation for this year's T20 WC. Since the schedule is pretty light for both countries this year the tests can be rescheduled.

Then they should cut the farce and give up their test status. Teams like Ireland and Afghanistan barely play any tests. They would be more than happy to get more games.
 
Not happening unless ICC is willing to do it to all teams not willing to tour pakistan.

Even if ICC award BD full 120 points it does't matter. We will not be even in 4 at the end of the test championship. PCB should concentrate to have better relation with Eng, Aus, S Africa, NZ, WI teams along with SL, Zim
and Ireland.
 
Even if ICC award BD full 120 points it does't matter. We will not be even in 4 at the end of the test championship. PCB should concentrate to have better relation with Eng, Aus, S Africa, NZ, WI teams along with SL, Zim
and Ireland.

How do you know that?
 
How do you know that?

Our team will be demolished by India and will loose easily to S Africa, NZ, ENG for sure. I love Pakistan team a lot but realistic.
 
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So is anyone buying this Iran US excuse? Wouldn't the WoT in Afghanistan be a better excuse (albeit still a bogus excuse)?
 
This needs a cool, well constructed and long term response.

We have an asia cup coming soon this year, this needs to be taken into account.

1) Play the t20Is in Pakistan, tell ICC we wont play tests anywhere else. Put this in ICC's court now. Whatever they decide, accept it.

2) Get the Asia cup which is a t20I tournie, to be conducted successfully.

Is it realistic to expect BCCI to allow any Asia Cup matches to be hosted in Pakistan? Pakistan does not even have an Ambassador in New Delhi right now.
 
BCB is stubborn.
PCB should accept the offer and play t20s and then try to schedule tests later.
 
BCB is stubborn.
PCB should accept the offer and play t20s and then try to schedule tests later.

And after first T20 they will withdraw themselves citing stress because of security concern.
Best way to deal with that to cancel the series and not to worry about it in future.
 
Does anyone know about PCB's reaction of BCB's statement? [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION], Saj...
 
And after first T20 they will withdraw themselves citing stress because of security concern.
Best way to deal with that to cancel the series and not to worry about it in future.

No, i disagree if we cancel the series then I reckon it'll be tough to pull Australia , England and NZ, in Pakistan
 
PCB to meet BCB in Dubai

Lahore, 13 January 2020:

The Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Mr Ehsan Mani, will meet Bangladesh Cricket Board President, Mr Nazmul Hassan, in Dubai this week on the sidelines of the ICC Governance Review Committee meeting, following which the PCB will provide further updates on Bangladesh men’s national cricket team’s upcoming tour of Pakistan.

The Dubai meeting is a continuation of the discussion process, which the PCB has followed to reach a consensus with the BCB on its national men’s cricket team’s tour itinerary.
 
Do not see why the PCB has to keep holding these meeting with the BCB when they are simply not interested in a Test series and just want to come for a week and that's it.

First it was India and now it is running after the BCB, if they do not tour then let it be just invest all that money instead into the PSL and marketing that which starts in a month.
 
PCB to meet BCB in Dubai

Lahore, 13 January 2020:

The Chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, Mr Ehsan Mani, will meet Bangladesh Cricket Board President, Mr Nazmul Hassan, in Dubai this week on the sidelines of the ICC Governance Review Committee meeting, following which the PCB will provide further updates on Bangladesh men’s national cricket team’s upcoming tour of Pakistan.

The Dubai meeting is a continuation of the discussion process, which the PCB has followed to reach a consensus with the BCB on its national men’s cricket team’s tour itinerary.

there might me lot of fans here who could be furious by this step as an neutral even im by this unprofessional attitude of BcB .
but for now PAKISTAN cricket have to be sensible. your time will come In Sha Allah
 
PCB as usual persistent. If BD doesn't want to tour Pakistan then let it be. How much humiliation does PCB needs to shut up? Are they waiting to be call bad names or swearing from BCB boss to get the message? Really unprofessional people with no self respect. These begging and persistent attitude of PCB makes themselves low towards other boards.
 
[MENTION=136411]Shafi[/MENTION] can you try and not throw a tantrum? It's not a gali mohalla fight that is resolved by emotions and a t-it for tat.

PCB is in a desperate position and now is the time to remain diplomatic. Once Test cricket has returned to PAK in a proper way, then you can bully whoever you want.

Stop acting as if bullying other boards will work at this time. Have some sense.
 
[MENTION=136411]Shafi[/MENTION] can you try and not throw a tantrum? It's not a gali mohalla fight that is resolved by emotions and a t-it for tat.

PCB is in a desperate position and now is the time to remain diplomatic. Once Test cricket has returned to PAK in a proper way, then you can bully whoever you want.

Stop acting as if bullying other boards will work at this time. Have some sense.

I am not saying bullying anyone!!!! PCB is acting desperate and bullying.They just need to let it go.
 
Our team will be demolished by India and will loose easily to S Africa, NZ, ENG for sure. I love Pakistan team a lot but realistic.
Have you read the World Test Championship draw?

Pakistan’s remaining four series are:

South Africa (home)
England (away)
Bangladesh (home)
New Zealand (away)

No India. No South African away series.
 
Wouldnt have mattered. Pcb withheld NOCs as not a single player of world t20 winning team was auctioned. There was an agenda not to select Pakistani players in ipl second edition. Pcb in response didn’t give NOCs. Even if they did I don’t think pakistani players would’ve been selected for ipl. Anti PAKISTAN agenda is the #1 policy of bcci and that still stands.

What are you talking about?

PCB refused the players NoC in 2009. The pakistani players were already part of the team.

Pcb again gave NoC in 2010 when they realised that IPL was least affected. It was in this auction that no Pakistani was picked.

Get your chronology right.
 
Have you read the World Test Championship draw?

Pakistan’s remaining four series are:

South Africa (home)
England (away)
Bangladesh (home)
New Zealand (away)

No India. No South African away series.

Pakistan should win both home series if played, then its a case of hoping we can get some points in england and NZ.
 
Have you read the World Test Championship draw?

Pakistan’s remaining four series are:

South Africa (home)
England (away)
Bangladesh (home)
New Zealand (away)

No India. No South African away series.

So how point will be distributed if no Ind vs Pak match involved? So some teams players more matches than others.
 
All these pointless meeting is purely for purpose of reducing time so that no series can take place.
 
Better than nothing.

Win situation for Pak because they are willing to play in Pakistan. They have a deadline to play the test series; if they pass the deadline and do not tour then points have to go to Pakistan.

BCB have made themselves look to incompetence throughout this lol. The fact they used Middle East tension as a reason sums up their intelligence. You acknowledge external tension, but you are still willing to tour for a short series? Say with your chest that you don’t want test status to be back with Pakistan.

I still believe they will tour for one test series later.

I agree. Let's play the T20s and then we have more claim to the points if they don't turn up for the tests.
It doesn't make sense to tour for a week for 3 T20s but not to tour for 8 days to play a test
 
So according to Bangladesh, Pakistan is not safe for Iran USA issue but UAE is safe which is closer to Iran. You support anything against Pakistan without any logic.

I say if their excuse of govt clearance due security is not logical, then it should apply to everyone.
 
I think Bangladesh's initial stance of committing to T20s and the assessing the situation for the Tests was somewhat justifiable. Throwing in the tension in middle east has just exposed their true intentions regarding this tour.

I think they should've stuck to their initial stance but I don't expect smart moves by a chairman who complained to one of the BD team's player for not responding to his calls :)))
 
So how point will be distributed if no Ind vs Pak match involved? So some teams players more matches than others.

It’s not a perfect system. Not all teams are playing each other. The max number of points from a series is 120. That means for a 2 match series, each Test match win is worth 60 points. In a 4 match series, each Test win is worth 30 points.
 
This should count as a forfeit from Bangladesh. The security arrangements have been approved by the ICC. If Bangladesh refuse you play in an ICC approved venue, which Pakistan is, then it should count as a forfeit.
 
If ICC have not scheduled their own staff to officiate this tour then there is no reason for them to not award full points to Pakistan.
 
I hope we give them a serious minnow bashing.

England will tour soon and the rest will follow. Then everyone will forget about this minnow cricket nation.
 
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Really ugly and irrational from BD, tbh. Any reasonable cricket follower from anywhere in the world would realize they are behaving unprofessionally, discourteously and, if they understand the geo-politics of it all, will also realize that they are acting at the behest of their new masters / at best, from a misplaced sense of arrogance and entitlement.
 
If PCB thought that other boards would make a beeline to tour Pakistan after Sri Lanka, the thought wrong.

They have to negotiate and try to convince boards but they should not be surprised by this refusal.

Respect to Bangladesh for sticking to their original stance.
 
Clearly some havent been following the issue apart from the fact that it hurts Pakistan. A little research will go a long way in helping form good quality opinions.
 
If PCB thought that other boards would make a beeline to tour Pakistan after Sri Lanka, the thought wrong.

They have to negotiate and try to convince boards but they should not be surprised by this refusal.

Respect to Bangladesh for sticking to their original stance.

Dont do this buddy. You are being plain silly here.
 
Pains me to say this but the Bangladeshi board is probably laughing because they are making the PCB beg and grovel to their knees to get the BCB to tour. The PCB honestly has zero self respect. I can understand and sympathize with trying to get India, Australia, England to tour but Bangladesh of all teams? Never thought i would see this day
 
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What are you talking about?

PCB refused the players NoC in 2009. The pakistani players were already part of the team.

Pcb again gave NoC in 2010 when they realised that IPL was least affected. It was in this auction that no Pakistani was picked.

Get your chronology right.

Post Mumbai attacks, none of the Pakistan players were selected during the auction, including Shahid Afridi. I specifically remember this so well.

Then to save face, Ijaz Butt cancelled all the NOCs of Pakistan players for IPL.

You need get your chronology right buddy. I know you have a clear cut Anti-Pakistan agenda, but atleast don't twist or lie about facts.
 
Post Mumbai attacks, none of the Pakistan players were selected during the auction, including Shahid Afridi. I specifically remember this so well.

Then to save face, Ijaz Butt cancelled all the NOCs of Pakistan players for IPL.

You need get your chronology right buddy. I know you have a clear cut Anti-Pakistan agenda, but atleast don't twist or lie about facts.

1. No you are absolutely wrong. Pakistani players were already in the IPL teams in 2009 ipl, thats when PCB refused NoC saying that India is not safe.

2. The auction you are talking about is for 2010 IPL, when no pakistani was picked.

https://m.economictimes.com/pakistan-bars-players-from-ipl/articleshow/4066302.cms
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Is my chronology wrong?
 
PCB cannot force anyone. What is silly?

Right where I wanted you.


Respect to BCB to cite the US-Iran tensions as a reason for a short tour? Also the possibility of arranging Tests in the non-existent stadium of Islamabad? Also the request to play one Test in Pakistan and one in Dhaka? And the 23 odd players who have agreed to play a month of PSL in Pakistan?

If these excuses were provided by PCB, I know who you would be declaring as the most incompetent board.
 
Pains me to say this but the Bangladeshi board is probably laughing because they are making the PCB beg and grovel to their knees to get the BCB to tour. The PCB honestly has zero self respect. I can understand and sympathize with trying to get India, Australia, England to tour but Bangladesh of all teams? Never thought i would see this day

If Bang tours then SA will follow as well in April. It's extremely important for the PCB that sides tour Pak regularly now in order to convince the bigger fishes. You build some trust this way.

It's not about Bangla, but the fact that another international test team is touring Pak for a full series. You have to see the bigger picture in this.

It's a shame that the BCB is being this difficult while knowing very well that the SL team had a great tour of Pak. Not smart as well as Pak won't tour Bangla in the near future. There are no winners here.
 
Pakistan won't play the Test series anywhere outside of Pakistan. Bangladesh won't play that Test series in Pakistan.

So how will the points system work here? Of course ICC can't award the points to Pakistan because then they'll have to do the same when other teams refuse to tour Pakistan.

What do you mean of course? Do you know about teams not playing matches in SL?
 
If PCB thought that other boards would make a beeline to tour Pakistan after Sri Lanka, the thought wrong.

They have to negotiate and try to convince boards but they should not be surprised by this refusal.

Respect to Bangladesh for sticking to their original stance.

Well they had about 9 original stances. Which one are you talking about?
 
Right where I wanted you.


Respect to BCB to cite the US-Iran tensions as a reason for a short tour? Also the possibility of arranging Tests in the non-existent stadium of Islamabad? Also the request to play one Test in Pakistan and one in Dhaka? And the 23 odd players who have agreed to play a month of PSL in Pakistan?

If these excuses were provided by PCB, I know who you would be declaring as the most incompetent board.

Think you are wasting your time there - that statement is a reflex action.

For me the main point is to see if PCB has the guts to back down and change Tests to UAE and look to get the WTC points they want.
 
PCB to persuade BCB to play three T20Is and at least one Test: Sources

Pakistan Cricket Board will try to persuade its Bangladeshi counterpart to play at least a Test, besides three T20 Internationals, in the country after BCB Chairman Nazmul Hassan insisted on a short tour later this month, according to sources.

The PCB announced on Monday that chairman Ehsan Mani will meet Hassan in Dubai this week on the sidelines of the ICC Governance Review Committee meeting, where the two top officials will continue discussion on the Bangladesh’s tour itinerary.

A reliable source in the PCB told PTI that Mani will suggest Hassan to play at least one Test and the T20 International matches in January-February in Pakistan.

“Mani will also seek a commitment from Hassan when Bangladesh will come and play the second Test in Pakistan,” the source said.

The BCB, after an internal meeting on Sunday, said its government had advised it to take a short tour of Pakistan at the moment because of the security situation arising out of Iran-USA tensions in the Middle East.

Hassan said the Bangladesh team could play three T20 International matches this month or next month.

The PCB has said that after the Test tour by Sri Lanka there was no ground for Bangladesh refusing to tour Pakistan as per the ICC Test Championship schedule because of security concerns.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ehsan-mani-nazmul-hussain/article30560210.ece
 
Now PCB look like they are begging. This is what BCB wanted to do? 3 T20s and a Test...one later somewhere
 
PCB to persuade BCB to play three T20Is and at least one Test: Sources

A reliable source in the PCB told PTI that Mani will suggest Hassan to play at least one Test and the T20 International matches in January-Feb

No one in PCB is that stupid that they would give information to ajourno from an Indian publication, this is definitely a Pakistani-based sellout journalist who has given this lead to them.

Really pathetic and desperate by Mani to go after that freak Nazmul Hassan there is really nothing to be achieved here. I fear Pakistan board would be forced to negotiate on the hosting of the Asia Cup. They don't need to beg to a 9th ranked minnow nation. The best response should've been no cricket with Bangladesh, or in Bangladesh for another 8 -10 years.

PCB should've done this much of effort for a top 5 ranked teams like South Africa or England, the way MAni is embarassing himself by continuing to chase that joker of BCB is foolish and counter productive.
 
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1. No you are absolutely wrong. Pakistani players were already in the IPL teams in 2009 ipl, thats when PCB refused NoC saying that India is not safe.

2. The auction you are talking about is for 2010 IPL, when no pakistani was picked.

https://m.economictimes.com/pakistan-bars-players-from-ipl/articleshow/4066302.cms

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[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Is my chronology wrong?

The incident I was talking about was 2010 IPL. That's when Pakistan were the champions. IN 2009 IPL Pakistan were not the champions. Even Kamran Akmal and Sohail Tanvir returned from India post Mumbai attacks due to Pakistani players safety. I won't comment on what happened that year, but my whole reference was the 2010 IPL (or IPL 3 - I think), when Pakistan were World T20 Champions.
 
So the guy can go to dubai and wants to play the series in UAE which is like next door to Iran and one of the potential targets of Iran yet wont play in Pakistan due to US-Iran issue
 
Wow so Papon actually managed to do what he wanted all along, brought PCB to its knees. Seems PCB made a blunder antagonizing him couple years back. Gotta feel for Babar, Shaheen and Naseem, such little amount of games may hamper their growth as test cricketers.
 
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Wow so Papon actually managed to do what he wanted all along, brought PCB to its knees. Seems PCB made a blunder antagonizing him couple years back. Gotta feel for Babar, Shaheen and Naseem, such little amount of games may hamper their growth as test cricketers.

How has he brought the PCB onto its knees?

Care to explain?
 
How has he brought the PCB onto its knees?

Care to explain?

PCB running from pillar to post trying to persuade them to play at least one test, even your own countrymen are saying PCB needs to stop begging like that. Read the latest article posted in this page.
 
How has he brought the PCB onto its knees?

Care to explain?

I personally think this is a d** move by BCB, they got PCB exactly where they wanted, smart thing for PCB would be to give in and play in UAE and patiently wait for your chance to s*** them over. there are young careers are at stake here, way more important than petty politics and egos.
 
I personally think this is a d** move by BCB, they got PCB exactly where they wanted, smart thing for PCB would be to give in and play in UAE and patiently wait for your chance to s*** them over. there are young careers are at stake here, way more important than petty politics and egos.

Young careers at stake? So if they dont play 2 tests against BD their careers will be over? :virat
 
Young careers at stake? So if they dont play 2 tests against BD their careers will be over? :virat

They need to play a certain amount of tests per year to realize their full potential and become world class. They already play less than most teams. It is not easy to maintain the same intensity throughout when you play so few tests per year. Yes I should have worded it better, this is not as doom and gloom as my post may imply but will certainly have a negative impact on their natural growth as test cricketers if you are reduced to play 5-6 tests per year.
 
The incident I was talking about was 2010 IPL. That's when Pakistan were the champions. IN 2009 IPL Pakistan were not the champions. Even Kamran Akmal and Sohail Tanvir returned from India post Mumbai attacks due to Pakistani players safety. I won't comment on what happened that year, but my whole reference was the 2010 IPL (or IPL 3 - I think), when Pakistan were World T20 Champions.

No pakistani player returned after Mumbai attacks as the 2008 IPL finished way before the Mumbai attacks.

Doesnt matter if Pakistan was or was not the champion. PCB made a decision to try and arm twist the BCCI and some very powerful people. They got their reply in 2010.

So your chronology was wrong. It was PCB who pulled the NOCs in 2009. And the auction where no one was picked was in 2010.
 
They need to play a certain amount of tests per year to realize their full potential and become world class. They already play less than most teams. It is not easy to maintain the same intensity throughout when you play so few tests per year. Yes I should have worded it better, this is not as doom and gloom as my post may imply but will certainly have a negative impact on their natural growth as test cricketers if you are reduced to play 5-6 tests per year.

No doubt the more the youngsters will play the more chance they will have to get better. However, an overall policy change to play more tests is required by PCB to help their growth.
 
Being Bangladeshi I am obviously going to side with the BCB here. Here is why BCB is hesitant touring Pakistan:

- PCB didn't invite BD team to tour UAE. If you agree with PCB's stance that this is only economical reasons, you are mistaken. This was a way to invite the most obvious country which will agree to whatever PCB threw at them for being a smaller board. We all know BD population in UAE along with it being one of the richest boards obviously means that it will be one of the most profitable tours. For BCB it was payback time when the time and opportunity came and that's exactly what they did. What PCB should have done is being honest or dead set about the goal of bringing cricket into Pakistan from outset and not give an excuse that it is not economically viable. That hurt the ego of the big heads in BCB.

- I don't think there is any Indian influence here at all. It is more face saving and ego clash. PCB shouldn't have pushed from the captain to the coach to people who didn't have anything to do with this throwing comments. Those comments put more pressure in BCB's way, while they might have toured anyways when PCB got involved throwing mud and there was mud thrown from BCB, whoever started it that's what's happening right now. People are blaming one another. Lack of maturity from the beginning on this case. Another case where Pakistanis reacted with emotion, and where BCB reacted with the typical big headed egoness that we have seen from BCB. PCB shouldn't have put pressure from the outset and trust me this tour would have happened. Contrary to what many believe, eventhough both the boards have been confrontational towards each other, it is only what it seems. Pakistanis are welcome in Bangladesh, which is why you see them being invited as well as in BPL you see a lot of Pakistani players.

- PCB wants cricket to return desperately. Which is why I understand how they are reacting, but they need to be strategic about this. Getting BD will be a stepping stone to bringing cricket into Cricket which should be the end goal and not listen to egos or be involved in the blame game. Just focus on playing cricket all year.

- One other factor which everyone here forgets is, yes SL toured. But how many players from the current team was actually in that terrorist attack? If you look at the current BD team, all of them went through that terrible ordeal in Christchurch and that memory must be burnt like a black hole in every current BD cricketers mind. Remember all the current team members in BD team went through that hell. Tamim said that nightmere is still vivid in his memory, it is part of everywhere he goes to play cricket. It can't be mistaken that they are still shaken from it. You can see the impact of it in his performance in the WC, everywhere really, can go on and on.

- BD Under 16 & women team went to Pakistan, which should show that BD wants to travel. There is definitely goodwill from BD, just need to exploit it (exploit not probably the best word).

I just want to say that if the tour doesn't go ahead it will be because of individuals and not the people of the country. It will be because two boards brought their ego and one didn't compromise. I advise PCB to go ahead with the tour for 3 T20Is and show some goodwill to the BCB, if BCB doesn't show that goodwill back then go on the offensive. Right now, don't go anymore in the offensive. Wait for BCB to make the wrong choice. BCB will be bound to tour for tests later, all they want probably is some sort of respect from the PCB and remember we don't have anything to do with this but we can always advise people in these boards to take it easy and not take everything personally which is what's happening now.
 
[MENTION=136411]Shafi[/MENTION] can you try and not throw a tantrum? It's not a gali mohalla fight that is resolved by emotions and a t-it for tat.

PCB is in a desperate position and now is the time to remain diplomatic. Once Test cricket has returned to PAK in a proper way, then you can bully whoever you want.

Stop acting as if bullying other boards will work at this time. Have some sense.

PCB is doing what it needs to do- try as hard as it can to return international cricket to Pakistan. Not get emotional if there is an obstacle but try their best to work it out.

If that can't be done, then at least they did their job- Pakistani fans deserve cricket in their own country, board must be able to look them in the eye & say they tried everything.

If BCB decline, then PCB should not relocate. Cancel instead & try to get Ireland or WI in for tests/ODI (preferably both, Tests otherwise, ODI only last choice). Normalise other nations coming until BD looks silly for holding out.

Not sure if BCB is holding political/cultural grudges or trying to stay on the right side of BCCI but they only way will be to go around them.

Don't pander by changing venue, isolate them by getting others to come.
 
Being Bangladeshi I am obviously going to side with the BCB here. Here is why BCB is hesitant touring Pakistan:

- PCB didn't invite BD team to tour UAE. If you agree with PCB's stance that this is only economical reasons, you are mistaken. This was a way to invite the most obvious country which will agree to whatever PCB threw at them for being a smaller board. We all know BD population in UAE along with it being one of the richest boards obviously means that it will be one of the most profitable tours. For BCB it was payback time when the time and opportunity came and that's exactly what they did. What PCB should have done is being honest or dead set about the goal of bringing cricket into Pakistan from outset and not give an excuse that it is not economically viable. That hurt the ego of the big heads in BCB.

- I don't think there is any Indian influence here at all. It is more face saving and ego clash. PCB shouldn't have pushed from the captain to the coach to people who didn't have anything to do with this throwing comments. Those comments put more pressure in BCB's way, while they might have toured anyways when PCB got involved throwing mud and there was mud thrown from BCB, whoever started it that's what's happening right now. People are blaming one another. Lack of maturity from the beginning on this case. Another case where Pakistanis reacted with emotion, and where BCB reacted with the typical big headed egoness that we have seen from BCB. PCB shouldn't have put pressure from the outset and trust me this tour would have happened. Contrary to what many believe, eventhough both the boards have been confrontational towards each other, it is only what it seems. Pakistanis are welcome in Bangladesh, which is why you see them being invited as well as in BPL you see a lot of Pakistani players.

- PCB wants cricket to return desperately. Which is why I understand how they are reacting, but they need to be strategic about this. Getting BD will be a stepping stone to bringing cricket into Cricket which should be the end goal and not listen to egos or be involved in the blame game. Just focus on playing cricket all year.

- One other factor which everyone here forgets is, yes SL toured. But how many players from the current team was actually in that terrorist attack? If you look at the current BD team, all of them went through that terrible ordeal in Christchurch and that memory must be burnt like a black hole in every current BD cricketers mind. Remember all the current team members in BD team went through that hell. Tamim said that nightmere is still vivid in his memory, it is part of everywhere he goes to play cricket. It can't be mistaken that they are still shaken from it. You can see the impact of it in his performance in the WC, everywhere really, can go on and on.

- BD Under 16 & women team went to Pakistan, which should show that BD wants to travel. There is definitely goodwill from BD, just need to exploit it (exploit not probably the best word).

I just want to say that if the tour doesn't go ahead it will be because of individuals and not the people of the country. It will be because two boards brought their ego and one didn't compromise. I advise PCB to go ahead with the tour for 3 T20Is and show some goodwill to the BCB, if BCB doesn't show that goodwill back then go on the offensive. Right now, don't go anymore in the offensive. Wait for BCB to make the wrong choice. BCB will be bound to tour for tests later, all they want probably is some sort of respect from the PCB and remember we don't have anything to do with this but we can always advise people in these boards to take it easy and not take everything personally which is what's happening now.

There was nothing in what any PCB member or the coach or the captain said which would suggest they wanted to belittle BCB or didn't respect it. Its just that Pakistan wanted the test series to go ahead in any case, and T20s were not a priority. BCB was even offered a choice of flying in on the test eve and flying out to Dhaka the morning after test for both tests. It would have equated a stay of less than 6 days on both counts.

Still BCB thinks that just T20s (6 days stay) should be played (which is a meaningless bilateral series unlike the tests) not the tests (6 days stay twice). Its just brainless.

What has lack of respect got to do with accepting a tour of T20s and refusing Tests, when they would stay the same 6 days in the country for either (but visit twice in case of tests)?
 
No pakistani player returned after Mumbai attacks as the 2008 IPL finished way before the Mumbai attacks.

Correct. The outlawed Indian Cricket League (ICL) was being held when 26/11 attacks took place, not the IPL. Pakistani players participating in ICL indeed had to return to Pakistan mid tournament.
 
Wow so Papon actually managed to do what he wanted all along, brought PCB to its knees. Seems PCB made a blunder antagonizing him couple years back. Gotta feel for Babar, Shaheen and Naseem, such little amount of games may hamper their growth as test cricketers.

Fully agree!!!Unfortunately to be a boss of a big organization you have to have some self pride rather than submissive. Mani has a very weak personality to deal with people like Papon.
The more Mani will persuade the more others will dominate him and ultimately it will effect on PCB.By doing that other boards will treat PCB as a weak organization and force their own preference to PCB to comply.
 
Amusing to see “experts” even on mainstream Pakistani TV channels blindly parroting the “BCB is acting on BCCI’s instructions” conspiracy theory. Fact is relations between India & Bangladesh are strained following the enactment of anti-Muslim citizenship law. Atleast 4-5 Bangladesh ministers have recently cancelled their India visits in protest. Very little chance that BCB is being dictated by India right now.
 
There was nothing in what any PCB member or the coach or the captain said which would suggest they wanted to belittle BCB or didn't respect it. Its just that Pakistan wanted the test series to go ahead in any case, and T20s were not a priority. BCB was even offered a choice of flying in on the test eve and flying out to Dhaka the morning after test for both tests. It would have equated a stay of less than 6 days on both counts.

Still BCB thinks that just T20s (6 days stay) should be played (which is a meaningless bilateral series unlike the tests) not the tests (6 days stay twice). Its just brainless.

What has lack of respect got to do with accepting a tour of T20s and refusing Tests, when they would stay the same 6 days in the country for either (but visit twice in case of tests)?

Apologies, I think I might have not been clear. What I meant is, if you look at the big picture and trust me BCB is not known for being thorough or a real professional board, I mean it is not fair to compare it to one as well, it doesn't really matter that much if a test match is played now or later or T20Is are played now and tests later, what matters now and what should be paramount to all Pakistanis is regular cricket being played in Pakistan. That is what should be the focus, PCB should work towards that with a narrow vision. Playing cricket regularly in Pakistan, inviting international countries to play in Pakistan. That is in line with Bangladeshi view as well, let's focus on the long term prospect of cricket being played in Pakistan and not in UAE or anywhere else. The test series is also going to be played in Pakistan but at a later date.

Mashrafe said recently in an interview he wouldn't hesitate to tour Pakistan. There are players in the team that were in the Christchurch attack that would hesitate as said before, so there are a combination of factors going against Pakistan but it is the situation that is there right now. It will not be there in the future and there won't be any questions, so focus on the situation right now and just focus on what's needed with the long term view. Holding T20Is in Pakistan is a huge win, it brings international audience and local crowd to the stadium and BCB will see how wrong it was withholding the Test team.
 
Right where I wanted you.

That is what Papon said to Mani and Wasim.

I will explain below.


Respect to BCB to cite the US-Iran tensions as a reason for a short tour? Also the possibility of arranging Tests in the non-existent stadium of Islamabad? Also the request to play one Test in Pakistan and one in Dhaka? And the 23 odd players who have agreed to play a month of PSL in Pakistan?

If these excuses were provided by PCB, I know who you would be declaring as the most incompetent board.

Well they had about 9 original stances. Which one are you talking about?

BCB had no intention of playing Test cricket in Pakistan. That is how it was from the start and that is how it is now, so they clearly stuck to their guns.

This was an opportunity to give PCB a taste of its own medicine after Shahryar Khan called off the tour of Bangladesh in April 2017.

The tour was scheduled to take place in July, and PCB suddenly woke up three months before the series and decided that unless Bangladesh play a T20 series in Pakistan before July, Pakistan will not tour Bangladesh.

It was a very arrogant and unprofessional move by the PCB and BCB was not going to let it slide.

This was their opportunity to pay back and they did it. PCB deserves this humiliation.

These “excuses” were/are only intended to make PCB look miserable. BCB dragged this issue even though they knew that ultimately they would not play Tests in Pakistan.

The problem with Pakistani fans is their misplaced entitlement. They think that because they were once a big team and since Bangladesh are still not major power, they should be jumping at the opportunity to play in Pakistan.

Furthermore, they have the misplaced belief that since PCB helped BCB in the past, we have the right to bully them now. No, that is not going to happen and should not happen.

PCB cannot force teams to tour Pakistan and other teams are not obliged to play Tests in Pakistan because Sri Lanka did. Every board has to decide for themselves and take different factors into consideration.

PCB have pulled off plenty of stunts in the past when they were in a position of power. In addition to calling off the Bangladesh tour in 2017, They tried to derail the IPL in 2009 but it backfired in spectacular fashion and they also refuse to play India in the 90s because of political reasons.

Now that they are on the receiving end they are crying because of their irrational sense of entitlement.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], BCB pulled of Pakistan tour before citing a person filled a petition. So BCB did this more than PCB. BCB 2 PCB 1
 
PCB hurry up and cancel this tour, no one wants to see pakistan giving bangladesh a sound beating in 2 test matches.
 
What are you talking about?

PCB refused the players NoC in 2009. The pakistani players were already part of the team.

Pcb again gave NoC in 2010 when they realised that IPL was least affected. It was in this auction that no Pakistani was picked.

Get your chronology right.
You have been so active here shows what do you want to prove.
 
Fully agree!!!Unfortunately to be a boss of a big organization you have to have some self pride rather than submissive. Mani has a very weak personality to deal with people like Papon.
The more Mani will persuade the more others will dominate him and ultimately it will effect on PCB.By doing that other boards will treat PCB as a weak organization and force their own preference to PCB to comply.

Hold up... you guys are seriously talking about Nazmul Hassan and how he's some sort of a big shot with a strong personality? The guy is an absolute clown! Have you not seen his antics ranging from meddling in the coaching affairs (didn't he openly criticize C. Walsh?) to berating the BD players publicly? He's right up there with Ijaz Butt as one of the silliest heads of a cricketing board.

The only reason why PCB is in a somewhat negotiating stance is because it wants cricket to return to Pakistan desperately - it has nothing to do with the Nazmul Hassan and his so called "strong personality".
 
Hold up... you guys are seriously talking about Nazmul Hassan and how he's some sort of a big shot with a strong personality? The guy is an absolute clown! Have you not seen his antics ranging from meddling in the coaching affairs (didn't he openly criticize C. Walsh?) to berating the BD players publicly? He's right up there with Ijaz Butt as one of the silliest heads of a cricketing board.

The only reason why PCB is in a somewhat negotiating stance is because it wants cricket to return to Pakistan desperately - it has nothing to do with the Nazmul Hassan and his so called "strong personality".

I mean Mani has very submissive/weak personality to deal with stubborn people. IK shouldn't give this type of job to Mani. Mani is a harmless/negotiation type of man in ideal environment and should work under someone with strong personality.
 
I mean Mani has very submissive/weak personality to deal with stubborn people. IK shouldn't give this type of job to Mani. Mani is a harmless/negotiation type of man in ideal environment and should work under someone with strong personality.

Wasim was brought in to build bridges with SENA boards which he is doing. We will soon have a roster of England, SA and eventually OZ.
 
PCB should get Clifford Chance on the case and sue BCB for not touring. They should teach BCB a lesson :)
 
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