Bangladesh: Still cricket minnows?

[Sidilicious]

Because whenever India plays BD the common perception of any casual fan is “BD ko to hara hi denge” people already look for the next match after BD match and don’t take them seriously.. Hence in eyes of casual fans they are a minnow..

Secondly in case BD wins like in 2007 WC then you see experts on news channels treat it like some huge upset and blast India losing to a minnow, same way fans feel like how on earth can we lose to BD..

People who follow cricket and especially BD cricket like you know they are a decent side now and very good home team but normal fans don’t.. Unless BD wins a WC or set a tournament on fire like SL did in 96 or play like SA of 99 casual fans will still have the perception of BD being minnows..

That is the truth..

Ofcourse people here on PP are generally ones who follow all cricket so them calling BD a minnow is just them trolling or riling up BD posters here.. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

But we re not talking about casual fans. Firstly, we are talking about fact stuff and secondly, we (the people on this forum and other cricket forums) would be considered more than just casual fans. We have a better understanding of the sport than casual Indian fans. Agree 100% with your last comment.

 

[RainMan_]

Because whenever India plays BD the common perception of any casual fan is “BD ko to hara hi denge” people already look for the next match after BD match and don’t take them seriously.. Hence in eyes of casual fans they are a minnow..

Secondly in case BD wins like in 2007 WC then you see experts on news channels treat it like some huge upset and blast India losing to a minnow, same way fans feel like how on earth can we lose to BD..

People who follow cricket and especially BD cricket like you know they are a decent side now and very good home team but normal fans don’t.. Unless BD wins a WC or set a tournament on fire like SL did in 96 or play like SA of 99 casual fans will still have the perception of BD being minnows..

That is the truth..

Ofcourse people here on PP are generally ones who follow all cricket so them calling BD a minnow is just them trolling or riling up BD posters here.. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

What gullible Indian fans think about our team isn't a matter of concern to us. They can think whatever they wish to think. It doesn't make any difference what do ever.

 

[RainMan_]

Hope the BCCI and PCB consider you worthy enough so that they invite you for a full series one day in India or UAE

Best of luck for your upward curve which is still the same since 1999..

LOL. Do u really think that BCB even care about that. Playing with Pakistan in a desert like uae isn't at all important to us. Furthermore, after the departure of misbah and younis pak team has become extremely weak. There's a very strong possibility that Pakistan might even get beaten by Bangladesh.

As far as bcci is concerned, it's quite different. Because playing with them generates money for us.

 

[MMHS]

Because whenever India plays BD the common perception of any casual fan is “BD ko to hara hi denge” people already look for the next match after BD match and don’t take them seriously.. Hence in eyes of casual fans they are a minnow..

Secondly in case BD wins like in 2007 WC then you see experts on news channels treat it like some huge upset and blast India losing to a minnow, same way fans feel like how on earth can we lose to BD..

People who follow cricket and especially BD cricket like you know they are a decent side now and very good home team but normal fans don’t.. Unless BD wins a WC or set a tournament on fire like SL did in 96 or play like SA of 99 casual fans will still have the perception of BD being minnows..

That is the truth..

Ofcourse people here on PP are generally ones who follow all cricket so them calling BD a minnow is just them trolling or riling up BD posters here.. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

It’s not about looking up or down bro - I know exactly where BD stands in cricket. Problem is when people think like worthy of UAE series or that BD U19 players are hacks after those batting display by their team, you have to reaspose.

 

[Gubol123]

You have been playing ODIs since 1984 and tests since 99. What have you achieved? Any series wins? Any trophies? Any legacy? Any innovation to the game?

are you talking about innovations like incredible wins in Sharjha , doosras/theesras, reverse swing, etc .. we all know what is behind those innovations.

Give BD some time. they were given the test status for non cricketing reasons. they probably are a decade away from being a top five test team. They currently start as favorites at home against most of the teams (may be barring India). they certainly are not minnows.. they are competitive team at home and still finding their feet out of Asia. Very similar to what India was in early 90s. They do lack high quality test players, especially pacers. But remember they are also the product of our times, where players know they need to be good in T20 to make anything out of their career. that approach will understandably have negative impact on players technique and will impact their longer format performance. You can see the same impact on all teams when you consider the batters inability to play moving ball (seam, swing and spin). It is more pronounced in BD as they started in the LOI era rather than test era. Canada, Netherlands, Papua Guinea are minnows. BD is a competitive team at least at home.

and before gloating and pointing BD as minnows remember that the same SL team beat you 2-0 at home, held India to 1-0 in a three test series.. SL is a good team in Asian conditions especially in tests. So BD doesn't have to worry about losing hte match. But they do have to worry about their approach to the game. Their batter looked like they knew only one way to bat, keep attacking. They don't have England type of quality batters to keep doing it.. so they may need to fix it. while doing that, they also need to get a good coach. they will do fairly well.

 

[Gubol123]

It's hilarious to find some Bangladeshi fans were also suggesting that India and Bangladesh is the new cricket rivalry 2 years ago.

LOL india and Pakistan do not even consider Bangladesh worthy to invite them for a full fledge series not even in UAE even after 20 years.

well in Tests and ODIs BD will offer the most fight to India over a five match series.. In tests SL will do better at SL against India, notwithstanding their recent performance against them. SO there is some rivalry building up their. So give it a few years it might actually pan out well and make it interesting. India and Pakistan obviously have lots of History but the matches between them have been one sided for a long time now. The most closely fought match between asian teams were that one where BD lost to india in the last over. Can't remember a close match between India and other Asian teams in the last few years..

 

[Gubol123]

How is a team that reached the semi of the last CT, QF of the last WC, and final of the last asia cup, a failure? That is already better than SL in ICC tourneys. In LOIs, their only failure in the last 2 years was in the T20 Cup in 2016. Definitely not a minnow in LOIs.

They have also drawn a series against Eng and Aus in Test cricket within the last year. So, not a minnow at home, but not a world beater either. Their away form outside asia is minnow level, but so was India then in the 90s and for a brief period 2011-12. And if you consider being white washed away as minnow level, then they have the same success rate in SA, Aus and NZ that Pakistan have in these 3 countries in their previous tour. So Pakistan is not a minnow due to better performance in just 1 series out of asia (England)?

I know you are trying to defend BD, but SL is a beast in ICC tournaments, especially compared to how late they started.. They are as good as Pakistan in ICC tournaments and have outdone them in Asia cups. They won their first Asia cup in 1985 or so (I think it was the second edition if i am not mistaken and were runner up in the first ever Asia cup), only few years after they won their first ever ODI. They have consistently won tournaments every decade. 80s Asia cup, 90s Asia Cup, World cup, 2000s champions trophy and couple of Asia cups, 2010s T20 world cup, runner up in WC.. They are consistent performer.. Actually you can trust them to turn up in a big tournament consistently than Pakistan.. So don't undersell them trying to defend BD

 

[Gubol123]

Because whenever India plays BD the common perception of any casual fan is “BD ko to hara hi denge” people already look for the next match after BD match and don’t take them seriously.. Hence in eyes of casual fans they are a minnow..

Secondly in case BD wins like in 2007 WC then you see experts on news channels treat it like some huge upset and blast India losing to a minnow, same way fans feel like how on earth can we lose to BD..

People who follow cricket and especially BD cricket like you know they are a decent side now and very good home team but normal fans don’t.. Unless BD wins a WC or set a tournament on fire like SL did in 96 or play like SA of 99 casual fans will still have the perception of BD being minnows..

That is the truth..

Ofcourse people here on PP are generally ones who follow all cricket so them calling BD a minnow is just them trolling or riling up BD posters here.. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

Sure people talk about 2007 win as an upset as it was an upset. People obviously were surprised about that performance. You know what, even Pak win against India in CT Final was huge upset and no one, even Pak fans believed Pak could do it. YOu can see that by the way Pak fans gloat even after 8 months they cannot believe that it really happened. does that make Pak a minnow? certainly not, but their win was unexpected. Same way with BD. But BD has a long way to go before they will be considered top five team, but they are no way a minnow.. Canada, Netherlands are minnows not BD

 

[pakistani pride]

Really some of the posts by the bangla posters.

I mean really.
Triple facepalm is not even enough for such comments.

 

[Gubol123]

What gullible Indian fans think about our team isn't a matter of concern to us. They can think whatever they wish to think. It doesn't make any difference what do ever.

So BD fans are some matured fans and Indian fans are gullible? Oh man, even you will have to agree that BD fans are little over dramatic. They are way too passionate.. i don't blame them really. They have high hopes for the team and the team is way too inconsistent as of now. won't trusting a team which is currently highly inconsistent and hoping that they will suddenly become world beaters make BD fans the actual gullible fans? why call other team fans names when the names you are calling fits your team's fans better?

 

[Gubol123]

It's hilarious to find some Bangladeshi fans were also suggesting that India and Bangladesh is the new cricket rivalry 2 years ago.

LOL india and Pakistan do not even consider Bangladesh worthy to invite them for a full fledge series not even in UAE even after 20 years.

India is obviously throwing their weight around, but what is Pak doing? they can't even get complete SL T20 to visit their country. I think pak should cool their egos and invite BD to UAE. BD is actually a fairly self reliant board as far as finances are concerned and will bring some money to Pak. If Pak keeps up this charade for few more years, BD might actually grow to a stage where they may not consider Pak financially worthy enough to be invited. I am only talking about finances which might become true looking at both BD and Pak's economy. So Pak fans and PCB should get off their high horses and actually play some cricket with BD

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Bangladesh is being hamstrung by a clueless selection panel, atm. And also of not having a coach (still better than having a bad coach IMO).

Once we get those sorted out we should perform more efficiently.

I wouldn't put much stock in this series.

 

[Sidilicious]

I know you are trying to defend BD, but SL is a beast in ICC tournaments, especially compared to how late they started.. They are as good as Pakistan in ICC tournaments and have outdone them in Asia cups. They won their first Asia cup in 1985 or so (I think it was the second edition if i am not mistaken and were runner up in the first ever Asia cup), only few years after they won their first ever ODI. They have consistently won tournaments every decade. 80s Asia cup, 90s Asia Cup, World cup, 2000s champions trophy and couple of Asia cups, 2010s T20 world cup, runner up in WC.. They are consistent performer.. Actually you can trust them to turn up in a big tournament consistently than Pakistan.. So don't undersell them trying to defend BD

I am not underselling SL. I am just stating the facts, that since 2015, in the 4 global tournaments, 2015 WC, 2016 asia cup, 2016 T20 cup and 2017 CT, Bangladesh has matched our outperformed SL.

SL is of course the greater team overall.

 

[Gubol123]

I am not underselling SL. I am just stating the facts, that since 2015, in the 4 global tournaments, 2015 WC, 2016 asia cup, 2016 T20 cup and 2017 CT, Bangladesh has matched our outperformed SL.

SL is of course the greater team overall.

that is too small a sample. Also, that time frame conincides with SriLanak's worst LOI form. so if it BD can match the SL while BD is going through their best patch and SL going through worst patch that is not something to be really proud off. Don't get me wrong, i actually have hopes for BD but overall SL is a good team but going through very bad patch in LOIs

 

[GrandMaster]

I am not underselling SL. I am just stating the facts, that since 2015, in the 4 global tournaments, 2015 WC, 2016 asia cup, 2016 T20 cup and 2017 CT, Bangladesh has matched our outperformed SL.

SL is of course the greater team overall.

During those tournaments Hatura was the head coach of Bangladesh, he is currently the head coach of SL (since the start of this tour).

 

[R3verse Swing]

How is a team that reached the semi of the last CT, QF of the last WC, and final of the last asia cup, a failure? That is already better than SL in ICC tourneys. In LOIs, their only failure in the last 2 years was in the T20 Cup in 2016. Definitely not a minnow in LOIs.

Huh?

SL reached 4 finals in ICC comps.

2007 WC Final
2009 WT20 Final
2011 WC Final
2012 WT20 Final

 

[CadPakFan]

Huh?

SL reached 4 finals in ICC comps.

2007 WC Final
2009 WT20 Final
2011 WC Final
2012 WT20 Final

And the final of the 2014 Asia cup. (I know you were referring to ICC comps but the poster you replied to mentioned the Asia cup as well so I did).

 

[moghul]

In test they are minnows, not in ODI, just low tier team.

 

[giri26]

Bangladesh are still not good enough to compete with Asian teams. Their batting cannot play the spinners of other Asian teams either home or away. They are a good ODI side though at home and are competitive side away from home. For all the flack SL gets, they have just won a series in UAE and a series against BD. They are not as bad as they were made out to be by India recently.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Bangladesh are still not good enough to compete with Asian teams. Their batting cannot play the spinners of other Asian teams either home or away. They are a good ODI side though at home and are competitive side away from home. For all the flack SL gets, they have just won a series in UAE and a series against BD. They are not as bad as they were made out to be by India recently.

Maybe your and my definition of being competitive is different.

If im not wrong, apart fom winning in SL (test) they haven’t won anything away from home.

In NZ they were whitewashed
In SA, got thumping defeat
In India, they couldn’t even put up decent fight despite playing in familiar conditions.

So, when exactly did they compete away from home?
Or are you implying reaching semis (Most undeserving side to reach final 4, rain saved them) in Champions trophy is being competitive?

 

[giri26]

Maybe your and my definition of being competitive is different.

If im not wrong, apart fom winning in SL (test) they haven’t won anything away from home.

In NZ they were whitewashed
In SA, got thumping defeat
In India, they couldn’t even put up decent fight despite playing in familiar conditions.

So, when exactly did they compete away from home?
Or are you implying reaching semis (Most undeserving side to reach final 4, rain saved them) in Champions trophy is being competitive?

They are surely better ODI side than they are in tests. They have the ability to compete away from home in ODI's but not in tests. I understand their results don't suggest that but again, they aren't as bad in ODI's as their results suggest either.

 

[BlueDoritos]

They are surely better ODI side than they are in tests. They have the ability to compete away from home in ODI's but not in tests. I understand their results don't suggest that but again, they aren't as bad in ODI's as their results suggest either.

Compete away from home in ODIs? How?

Since their rise, let's say since the start of 2014, they have played 16 ODIs and lost 12, 2 matches had no result, and only won 2 ODIs, 1 in Ireland and 1 in Sri Lanka against that weak ODI team. They were whitewashed even in the West Indies ODI series.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results



Afghanistan is also a good developing team in ODIs, but you can't say they're better than their results etc.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bd's problem is everytime they take a step forward they take a step backward. It is almost like they are just stuck at the same place. Their wins against tops teams are commendable. But once you get to that stage you should not look back. you should not go back to losing to even lesser teams. You should start earning draws if not wins. That is the problem with Bangladesh. They never draw enough. Out of 106 tests they have drawn only 16 tests and lost 80 tests. Even some of the draws were with the help of rain. Compare that to Srilanka. They have drawn 85 tests lost 100 tests.

 

[Gubol123]

Compete away from home in ODIs? How?

Since their rise, let's say since the start of 2014, they have played 16 ODIs and lost 12, 2 matches had no result, and only won 2 ODIs, 1 in Ireland and 1 in Sri Lanka against that weak ODI team. They were whitewashed even in the West Indies ODI series.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results



Afghanistan is also a good developing team in ODIs, but you can't say they're better than their results etc.

You are ignoring the netural venue where they had some good results like in CT. here is the updated query

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results

BD is a good side and i like to watch them play as they have some of that young nation passion (similar to SL in early 90s, though SL had a much better team) that is so great to see. But some BD fans let their passion get in their way of objectivity. BD has been very good team at home and will probably start a favorite against bunch of other teams who are rated above them like (Pak, WI, NZ, in LOIs and Pak, Aus, NZ, Eng, WI, in tests). If you see the results they have improved their record in the last few years, but still not a big force away from. But to be honest who else is these days apart from may be Aus and SA in bilateral. But there is more to cricket than stats. BD does look more confident, assured of themselves when they face any opponent anywhere, especially in LOIs. So yes they are more competitive when you compare their past but still not a big force

 

[Gubol123]

You are ignoring the netural venue where they had some good results like in CT. here is the updated query

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results

BD is a good side and i like to watch them play as they have some of that young nation passion (similar to SL in early 90s, though SL had a much better team) that is so great to see. But some BD fans let their passion get in their way of objectivity. BD has been very good team at home and will probably start a favorite against bunch of other teams who are rated above them like (Pak, WI, NZ, in LOIs and Pak, Aus, NZ, Eng, WI, in tests). If you see the results they have improved their record in the last few years, but still not a big force away from. But to be honest who else is these days apart from may be Aus and SA in bilateral. But there is more to cricket than stats. BD does look more confident, assured of themselves when they face any opponent anywhere, especially in LOIs. So yes they are more competitive when you compare their past but still not a big force

and i pulled the stats for other countries except Pakistan here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=5;team=6;team=8;template=results;type=team

and for Pakistan here

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team

and BD results are not so bad when compared to Pakistan although Pak has won some big matches like CT final.

what is surprising is that even after going through their worst ever year in 2017(possibly the worst every for a top test playing nation) SL's record is not so bad. Goes on to show that they are quite a good cricketing nation..

 

[BlueDoritos]

You are ignoring the netural venue where they had some good results like in CT. here is the updated query

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results

BD is a good side and i like to watch them play as they have some of that young nation passion (similar to SL in early 90s, though SL had a much better team) that is so great to see. But some BD fans let their passion get in their way of objectivity. BD has been very good team at home and will probably start a favorite against bunch of other teams who are rated above them like (Pak, WI, NZ, in LOIs and Pak, Aus, NZ, Eng, WI, in tests). If you see the results they have improved their record in the last few years, but still not a big force away from. But to be honest who else is these days apart from may be Aus and SA in bilateral. But there is more to cricket than stats. BD does look more confident, assured of themselves when they face any opponent anywhere, especially in LOIs. So yes they are more competitive when you compare their past but still not a big force

All that hype would have made sense in 2015/16 but now that they have lost those 2 ODI against this Sri Lankan team, they won't be considered favorites anywhere in the world. They usually collapse under pressure. Their team is far from a good Odi team in terms of balance. No good pacer, No aggressive batsman, too much reliance on 2 or 3 players etc.

 

[Usman Chadda]

You are ignoring the netural venue where they had some good results like in CT. here is the updated query

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...=span;template=results;type=team;view=results

BD is a good side and i like to watch them play as they have some of that young nation passion (similar to SL in early 90s, though SL had a much better team) that is so great to see. But some BD fans let their passion get in their way of objectivity. BD has been very good team at home and will probably start a favorite against bunch of other teams who are rated above them like (Pak, WI, NZ, in LOIs and Pak, Aus, NZ, Eng, WI, in tests). If you see the results they have improved their record in the last few years, but still not a big force away from. But to be honest who else is these days apart from may be Aus and SA in bilateral. But there is more to cricket than stats. BD does look more confident, assured of themselves when they face any opponent anywhere, especially in LOIs. So yes they are more competitive when you compare their past but still not a big force

Ah so Bangladesh's one win in the CT is a good performance, while Pakistan fluked it the whole thing. Masha Allah.

 

[Gubol123]

Ah so Bangladesh's one win in the CT is a good performance, while Pakistan fluked it the whole thing. Masha Allah.

did i say that? can you please point it out?

 

[Gubol123]

All that hype would have made sense in 2015/16 but now that they have lost those 2 ODI against this Sri Lankan team, they won't be considered favorites anywhere in the world. They usually collapse under pressure. Their team is far from a good Odi team in terms of balance. No good pacer, No aggressive batsman, too much reliance on 2 or 3 players etc.

So BD lost two LOI matches to SL so they won't be considered favorite anywhere? Pak last two matches to same SL, so now Pak won't start as a favorite against BD in UAE? really....

 

[CanadianG00se]

They are surely better ODI side than they are in tests. They have the ability to compete away from home in ODI's but not in tests. I understand their results don't suggest that but again, they aren't as bad in ODI's as their results suggest either.

Again, on what basis are they better ODI unit? What have they achieved to say they are better or competitive? Their away Odi series were one sided as it gets. Every team have the ability to compete, but what really matters is the actual performance.

They are bad in ODIs as the results suggest, there is no two ways about it. In last few years their only success came at home that too when they had Fizz who was mystery bowler. They would struggle to beat both India and SA both home and away.

 

[BlueDoritos]

So BD lost two LOI matches to SL so they won't be considered favorite anywhere? Pak last two matches to same SL, so now Pak won't start as a favorite against BD in UAE? really....

BD don't have a good team that's why they won't start as favorites anywhere in any format

 

[jadaja]

I am so disappointed in BD, they need kick out deadwood like their acting captain , he is no good and infuse new talent.

You can't have your test captain avg 31 and your best batsman 34 and expect to compete against good team.

Mustafizur is one trick pony. What is it they have got Tamim and prayer in odis . The less we talk about their bowling the better it is.They have no bowlers.

All this translates to minnow status.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This (win+draw)/loss ratio gives clear picture of why BD has lot of catching up to do. Zimbabwe for large part was devoid of quality of players. Still they have better ratio.

 

[CanadianG00se]

This (win+draw)/loss ratio gives clear picture of why BD has lot of catching up to do. Zimbabwe for large part was devoid of quality of players. Still they have better ratio.

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Ratio for Windies is wrong. It should be 2.04.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ratio for Windies is wrong. It should be 2.04.

Yup you are correct. Almost all top teams bar NZ/L have oave ratio of 2. Bangladesh is languishing at 0.325. They have to learn to draw Test matches before thinking of winning. Drawing requires quiet an effort too. Batting time, showing temperament, skills.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Bottom 7 of 12 test countries are minnows...

 

[BlueDoritos]

Afghanistan test team will be better than Bangladesh in a few years time

 

[MMHS]

Afghanistan test team will be better than Bangladesh in a few years time

Inshallah - I hope you'll be here to celebrate that time.

 

[MMHS]

Yup you are correct. Almost all top teams bar NZ/L have oave ratio of 2. Bangladesh is languishing at 0.325. They have to learn to draw Test matches before thinking of winning. Drawing requires quiet an effort too. Batting time, showing temperament, skills.

I think, you are not doing justice to BD here by using gross numbers. Do it this way - take first 50 Test, 100 Test, 150 Test for every nation .... then do the same by first 10 years, 20 years & 30 years. For a record, I can say that in last 3/4 years we have lost 8 Tests (PAK 1, IND 1, SRL 2, SAF 2, ENG 1, AUS 1) and won 6 (ZIM 3, SRL 1, ENG 1, AUS 1).

Regarding "Draw", I explained it many times - don't mind for once more. We are playing Test cricket in an era when every thing is standardized - 5 days, 450 overs. On top of that, add the technology - super swapper, flood light and ICC's stance on over rate. Add to that make up time, extended time, neutral umpire and DRS - it's really tough for new comers to bail out a draw through back door.

If you really wish to see a true perspective, go to CI and check every Test by score cards - you'll see many 3/4 Day Tests, deliberate time wasting, Test day being lost by weather/vandalism by home crowd facing defeat and above all shameful home umpiring .. to save a Test.

 

[Mamoon]

Bangladesh have made great strides over the years. I enjoy them watching and I think they are inspirational. The only thing that they are lacking now is the mindset of a big team. The generation of Mushfiq, Tamim, Shakib, Mortaza, Taskin etc. are fine cricketers but I don't think they have had the resilience to absorb pressure.

Nonetheless, they have provided the platform for the future generation of Bangladeshi cricketers to take a leap forward. People mocking them for not improving exponentially after two decades do not understand the game. Teams like Pakistan, India and to an extent Sri Lanka came to the party at the right time - the game was forgiving for newcomers and there was room for new teams to emerge.

The game has become too saturated in the last two decades and it is now difficult for new teams to make their mark. Bangladesh have improved and developed as much as a young cricketing nation can, but the next step will take time. However, it will happen.

Those writing songs about Afghanistan rise and how they are going to leave Bangladesh in its dust will get a reality check once Afghanistan start playing cricket against the top 8 teams on regular basis. Making big strides playing against Ireland, Netherlands, Papa New Guinea, Nepal, Ghana, Rwanda etc. frequently will make any young, talented cricketing nation look better than they are.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think, you are not doing justice to BD here by using gross numbers. Do it this way - take first 50 Test, 100 Test, 150 Test for every nation .... then do the same by first 10 years, 20 years & 30 years. For a record, I can say that in last 3/4 years we have lost 8 Tests (PAK 1, IND 1, SRL 2, SAF 2, ENG 1, AUS 1) and won 6 (ZIM 3, SRL 1, ENG 1, AUS 1).

Regarding "Draw", I explained it many times - don't mind for once more. We are playing Test cricket in an era when every thing is standardized - 5 days, 450 overs. On top of that, add the technology - super swapper, flood light and ICC's stance on over rate. Add to that make up time, extended time, neutral umpire and DRS - it's really tough for new comers to bail out a draw through back door.

If you really wish to see a true perspective, go to CI and check every Test by score cards - you'll see many 3/4 Day Tests, deliberate time wasting, Test day being lost by weather/vandalism by home crowd facing defeat and above all shameful home umpiring .. to save a Test.

Come on man. Are you telling me They could not draw any one of hte test out of 80 tests. You have been playing since 2000. Let me tell you the reason. FOr a very long time, (even now against some teams) is a one innings team. They would bat well in one innings and implode in the 2nd occasionally they implode in the 1st and put up a fight in the 2nd. But for Shakib Al Hasan BD may have never won a Test match yet. Even you check just home statistics where you are supposed to dominate after certain period, have poor ratio. Given the support you get there compared what Zimbabwe got in the 90s in their home support is overwhelming. Zimbabwe didn't take long to beat teams like India at home. They even won a series in Pakistan where there were no neutral umpires.

 

[Mainul]

Bangladesh have made great strides over the years. I enjoy them watching and I think they are inspirational. The only thing that they are lacking now is the mindset of a big team. The generation of Mushfiq, Tamim, Shakib, Mortaza, Taskin etc. are fine cricketers but I don't think they have had the resilience to absorb pressure.

Nonetheless, they have provided the platform for the future generation of Bangladeshi cricketers to take a leap forward. People mocking them for not improving exponentially after two decades do not understand the game. Teams like Pakistan, India and to an extent Sri Lanka came to the party at the right time - the game was forgiving for newcomers and there was room for new teams to emerge.

The game has become too saturated in the last two decades and it is now difficult for new teams to make their mark. Bangladesh have improved and developed as much as a young cricketing nation can, but the next step will take time. However, it will happen.

Those writing songs about Afghanistan rise and how they are going to leave Bangladesh in its dust will get a reality check once Afghanistan start playing cricket against the top 8 teams on regular basis. Making big strides playing against Ireland, Netherlands, Papa New Guinea, Nepal, Ghana, Rwanda etc. frequently will make any young, talented cricketing nation look better than they are.

Good sensible explanations. Those who are mocking should read it.

 

[MMHS]

Come on man. Are you telling me They could not draw any one of hte test out of 80 tests. You have been playing since 2000. Let me tell you the reason. FOr a very long time, (even now against some teams) is a one innings team. They would bat well in one innings and implode in the 2nd occasionally they implode in the 1st and put up a fight in the 2nd. But for Shakib Al Hasan BD may have never won a Test match yet. Even you check just home statistics where you are supposed to dominate after certain period, have poor ratio. Given the support you get there compared what Zimbabwe got in the 90s in their home support is overwhelming. Zimbabwe didn't take long to beat teams like India at home. They even won a series in Pakistan where there were no neutral umpires.

ZIM explanation I can give - it’s the type of cricket. They beat IND, PAK on seeming tracks, but hardly competed against ENG, AUS, NZ. Even Mughabe’s ZIM beat PAK in a Test. I can give counter logic - BD almost b at AUS in 2005, next time did beat AUS in a Test, Poms as well; next time SAF/ NZ tours - they’ll lose as well. SRL, after 35 years, hasn’t win a single Test in IND, but they did won in ENG & PAK, reason is their main weapon (spin) is countered better by IND.

2nd part is single innings team - that actually explained in my post as well. One reason is, for a new team, keeping focus for whole 5 day is really tough, the game is learned through FC system - it’s impossible for a new team to establish FC cricket, when it’s financially a loss project. But main reason is that these days we had to play 2 innngs almost every time because of the duration of a Test. For example, Gavaskar being opener played 214 innings in 125 Test; that’s just about 1.6/Test; for Javed it’s even lower because those days lots of Test didn’t have enough time for 4 innings.

There is one more issue - we have started the game in top level when the preference has shifted to shorter version - unfortunately, this game is learned better through longer format. Many of our players hardly bother for longer format and that’s not helping their development.

Regarding W/L - I am not giving it as excuse but numbers will always go against new entrants. Because, the earlier you enter the league, there are fewer teams above you and you make that ratio better against newcomers. For example, after ENG/AUS almost similar time NZ/WI & IND started. IND/WI/NZ did win against each other’s but hardly any win against ENG/AUS. Then PAK joined - they had one win against Poms in 1953, next one 29 years later in 1982.

 

[jnaveen1980]

ZIM explanation I can give - itÂ’s the type of cricket. They beat IND, PAK on seeming tracks, but hardly competed against ENG, AUS, NZ. Even MughabeÂ’s ZIM beat PAK in a Test. I can give counter logic - BD almost b at AUS in 2005, next time did beat AUS in a Test, Poms as well; next time SAF/ NZ tours - theyÂ’ll lose as well. SRL, after 35 years, hasnÂ’t win a single Test in IND, but they did won in ENG & PAK, reason is their main weapon (spin) is countered better by IND.

2nd part is single innings team - that actually explained in my post as well. One reason is, for a new team, keeping focus for whole 5 day is really tough, the game is learned through FC system - itÂ’s impossible for a new team to establish FC cricket, when itÂ’s financially a loss project. But main reason is that these days we had to play 2 innngs almost every time because of the duration of a Test. For example, Gavaskar being opener played 214 innings in 125 Test; thatÂ’s just about 1.6/Test; for Javed itÂ’s even lower because those days lots of Test didnÂ’t have enough time for 4 innings.

There is one more issue - we have started the game in top level when the preference has shifted to shorter version - unfortunately, this game is learned better through longer format. Many of our players hardly bother for longer format and thatÂ’s not helping their development.

Regarding W/L - I am not giving it as excuse but numbers will always go against new entrants. Because, the earlier you enter the league, there are fewer teams above you and you make that ratio better against newcomers. For example, after ENG/AUS almost similar time NZ/WI & IND started. IND/WI/NZ did win against each otherÂ’s but hardly any win against ENG/AUS. Then PAK joined - they had one win against Poms in 1953, next one 29 years later in 1982.

You think all the cricketing nations always play with experienced players? No. From the Indian team that BD beat with guys like Tamim, Shakib, Mahamadulla, Mush we have just one player left. Kohli did not even make international debut. All teams go through transition. Australia, West Indies, NZ, Pakistan, England, SA. You have mentioned about Srilanka win in England. Yes they won with spin. But not just any spin. A world class ATG spinner. Aravinda De silva was a gun world class batsman. Ranatunga had the leadership that made them into a forceful unit. Apart from SHakib BD has not produced a world class player yet to drive, inspire them into reach greater heights. Even he pales in comparison with the greats produced by Zimbabwe. Andy Flower singlehandedly drew a test with a double hundred and a 100 in the same test against India in India. At the end of the day a Team is made of players. Unless you have enough top notch world class players with crazy numbers, team will continue to be inconsistent. You have Mominul who averages 46 now. But if you look carefully his marathon effort came on a flat deck where SL completely outbatted you. He has scored 869 runs in 7 tests mainly at chittagong averaging 86.90. If you exclude his score on that patta he averages like 35. Good players make good team. Great players make great team. Average players make average team. That holds true across the era. Shakib is slightly above average. But not great. SA re-entered only 10 years before BD. They have already produced so many ATGs. They keep producing. Time to have a reality check. BD's production of world class players is not exactly in sync with the passion of Bangladesh fans. Smith, Williamson, Joe Root, Kohli were all under 19 players when BD beat two big teams in world cup 2007. Look where they are. Look where BD players who played that game are now?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Bangladesh are Minnow #Fact so.......deal with it!!

Come back and parade when either 1) Won a Global Tournament 2) Won or Drawn an Away test match series against a Top 3 side.......

Simple enough?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

Bangladesh are Minnow #Fact so.......deal with it!!

Come back and parade when either 1) Won a Global Tournament 2) Won or Drawn an Away test match series against a Top 3 side.......

Simple enough?

At least we didnt get whitewashed.

 

[Gubol123]

Bangladesh are Minnow #Fact so.......deal with it!!

Come back and parade when either 1) Won a Global Tournament 2) Won or Drawn an Away test match series against a Top 3 side.......

Simple enough?

is the condition an "or" or an "and"?

 

[WengerOut]

They might be minnows, but they are the 2nd best minnow ever after Zimbabwe.

 

[The_Odd_One]

At least we didnt get whitewashed.

Lost every match in SA in all formats

 

[light]

Afghanistan test team will be better than Bangladesh in a few years time

Unlike ODI/T-20, test cricket isn't a walk in the park that even a minnow or as I like to say, lesser talanted team could win/draw it if everything goes well for them in that 1 out of 5 days. Comments like these are unnecessary. Both AFG and IRE will fail hard, just like BD did and still has been for years before getting better at it. Talent alone won't be enough to win you a game in test, however that talent is a different story in T20 and ODI format.

A country needs a lot of A games, facilities, infrastructures, etc to be competitive in test cricket. Oh and a lotttt of failures before starting to get better at something.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Unlike ODI/T-20, test cricket isn't a walk in the park that even a minnow or as I like to say, lesser talanted team could win/draw it if everything goes well for them in that 1 out of 5 days. Comments like these are unnecessary. Both AFG and IRE will fail hard, just like BD did and still has been for years before getting better at it. Talent alone won't be enough to win you a game in test, however that talent is a different story in T20 and ODI format.

A country needs a lot of A games, facilities, infrastructures, etc to be competitive in test cricket. Oh and a lotttt of failures before starting to get better at something.

That is where you and most posters are wrong.

Ireland have an excellent system for nurturing talent whereas Afghanistan have also improved their system and have much better raw talent than BD

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The amount of money ICC wasted on BCB is enormous.

This much money spent on any country should make them a proper test team by now.

Pakistan and India debuted earlier where the ICC was a dysfunctional body and the amount of revenue given by it to new test nations was very low as compared to the modern era.

 

[MMHS]

The amount of money ICC wasted on BCB is enormous.

This much money spent on any country should make them a proper test team by now.

Pakistan and India debuted earlier where the ICC was a dysfunctional body and the amount of revenue given by it to new test nations was very low as compared to the modern era.

Bring figure of BCB's budget (You can do it for last 15 years combined), what's ICC's contribution in that and what's BCB own earning

 

[sshakir411]

Ah so Bangladesh's one win in the CT is a good performance, while Pakistan fluked it the whole thing. Masha Allah.

When you've been hard wired since childhood to put down someone/something...you'll find a way no matter how ridiculous it might be.

 

[sshakir411]

Bangladesh has really come a long way. I'm a big fan of Mahmudullah and Shakib...2 of my fave non Pakistani cricketers...I think the only thing Bangladesh players need is that killer instinct to snatch the game away...Some work needs to be done in the pace bowling department but they have kept improving so I expect that to continue.

 

[Usman Chadda]

How has a discussion on Bangladesh reached 453 replies and six pages lol? We really need to look at teams better than us, with all due respect to Bangladesh's improvement.

 

[Messiah]

more like ultra minnows. Get smashed by any semi decent team. 90% of bd team wouldnt make any other squad

 

[light]

The amount of money ICC wasted on BCB is enormous.

This much money spent on any country should make them a proper test team by now.

Pakistan and India debuted earlier where the ICC was a dysfunctional body and the amount of revenue given by it to new test nations was very low as compared to the modern era.

They shouldn't have got the test status to begin with at that moment. At that stage, they could barely be competitive or win in ODI matches, let alone test. Their team was equivalent of where Nepal stands today, not afg nor Ireland.

They had no proper infrastructure, academy, etc yet was awarded a test status. It's like giving Nepal a test status and expecting them to win, regardless of how much money you dumb on them. They won't improve enough for the next couple of decades to be competitive enough. It will take 2-3 generation before proper improvement are noticed. Paras is a decent player but most of the Nepalis are mediocre at best. Do you honestly think that dumping millions on team Nepal will turn them into a great competitive within 5-10 years? Also, like I said previously, raw talent won't win you test matches. They will win you a ODI or t20 here and there, but test match requires more than talents.

 

[Mainul]

How has a discussion on Bangladesh reached 453 replies and six pages lol? We really need to look at teams better than us, with all due respect to Bangladesh's improvement.

Good point.These huge amount of discussion is based on the title of this thread.Most people here in PP like to troll BD ,mock BD ,think low of BD as a team.Whenever Bangladesh does bad there will be instance bumping of this thread I can assure you and the 453 replies will cross 1000.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Good point.These huge amount of discussion is based on the title of this thread.Most people here in PP like to troll BD ,mock BD ,think low of BD as a team.Whenever Bangladesh does bad there will be instance bumping of this thread I can assure you and the 453 replies will cross 1000.

I think there was a lot of trolling from BD fans aswell in the last two years. Since 2017, it has died down a bit while Pakistan fans continue to flog a dead horse.

Bangladesh are not minnows in the sense that they don't roll over and die nowadays, but they are still the worst team out of the top 10. I don't believe Bangladesh would be able to beat West Indies consistently. The bowling attack is non-existent. Literally. The batting is alright, but your batting has to have five Virat Kohli's to make this team competitive on a consistent basis.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think there was a lot of trolling from BD fans aswell in the last two years. Since 2017, it has died down a bit while Pakistan fans continue to flog a dead horse.

Bangladesh are not minnows in the sense that they don't roll over and die nowadays, but they are still the worst team out of the top 10. I don't believe Bangladesh would be able to beat West Indies consistently. The bowling attack is non-existent. Literally. The batting is alright, but your batting has to have five Virat Kohli's to make this team competitive on a consistent basis.

Let me give a little fun stat. Since Kohli made debut Kohli has made 35 centuries. Entire Bangladesh team (all players played for BD during that period) made 30 centuries.

 

[MMHS]

I think there was a lot of trolling from BD fans aswell in the last two years. Since 2017, it has died down a bit while Pakistan fans continue to flog a dead horse.

Bangladesh are not minnows in the sense that they don't roll over and die nowadays, but they are still the worst team out of the top 10. I don't believe Bangladesh would be able to beat West Indies consistently. The bowling attack is non-existent. Literally. The batting is alright, but your batting has to have five Virat Kohli's to make this team competitive on a consistent basis.

This line perfectly sums up what they say about batting culture. Do you really have any idea what 1 Virat Kohli can do?

 

[Usman Chadda]

This line perfectly sums up what they say about batting culture. Do you really have any idea what 1 Virat Kohli can do?

You are reading too much into it. I'm sure you understood what I meant.

 

[MMHS]

You are reading too much into it. I'm sure you understood what I meant.

“Tongue in check” job excepted.

Regarding Bangladesh, people have a habit of meaning too many things, hence I got a bit confused - 5 batsmen with 60/90 stats in an “alright batting” line up ..... expectation must be set at really high.

Suddenly, I felt a bit uncomfortable with the level of expectation - kahin jaat shudhi na ho gaya.....

 

[fitCricFan]

Of all the cricket playing nations, Bangladesh has regressed most. Given the #years they have been playing with access to all major cricket playing countries, you would imaging that would learn and grow.

Its time BD was relegated to an Associate and one or more of the Associates promoted to a full cricketing status for four years. That may be motivation for BD to improve otherwise all they have to offer is practice to the opposing teams. yeah they have fluked a few games but overall their cricket is garbage, sorry to say that

 

[Usman Chadda]

“Tongue in check” job excepted.

Regarding Bangladesh, people have a habit of meaning too many things, hence I got a bit confused - 5 batsmen with 60/90 stats in an “alright batting” line up ..... expectation must be set at really high.

Suddenly, I felt a bit uncomfortable with the level of expectation - kahin jaat shudhi na ho gaya.....

Knew you'd get it.

Still not as bad an exaggeration as Pakistan going to the level of Uganda in the future, but as long as it drives home the point.

 

[MMHS]

Knew you'd get it.

Still not as bad an exaggeration as Pakistan going to the level of Uganda in the future, but as long as it drives home the point.

Who is that guy telling PAK to reach Uganda level? (In cricket that is)

 

[Usman Chadda]

Who is that guy telling PAK to reach Uganda level? (In cricket that is)

I remember one Bangladeshi fan making a prediction along those lines a year or so back.

 

[MMHS]

I remember one Bangladeshi fan making a prediction along those lines a year or so back.

Your memory is fading like your English interpretation - which might be the reason for your misunderstanding. Since it’s a blog - that prediction must be archived here. Can you bring it?

By the way, my England is rich enough to differentiate between “going to the level” and “along this line” sort of words - so no trolling. I am a Bangladeshi fan, so among suspects - if you think it’s me, then you have to prove that, instead of trolling along the line.

 

[Buffet]

I think there was a lot of trolling from BD fans aswell in the last two years. Since 2017, it has died down a bit while Pakistan fans continue to flog a dead horse.

Bangladesh are not minnows in the sense that they don't roll over and die nowadays, but they are still the worst team out of the top 10. I don't believe Bangladesh would be able to beat West Indies consistently. The bowling attack is non-existent. Literally. The batting is alright, but your batting has to have five Virat Kohli's to make this team competitive on a consistent basis.

One Kohli and they will win a lot more. BD batting is not that great.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Your memory is fading like your English interpretation - which might be the reason for your misunderstanding. Since it’s a blog - that prediction must be archived here. Can you bring it?

By the way, my England is rich enough to differentiate between “going to the level” and “along this line” sort of words - so no trolling. I am a Bangladeshi fan, so among suspects - if you think it’s me, then you have to prove that, instead of trolling along the line.

Haha, why are YOU getting so defensive?

 

[MMHS]

Haha, why are YOU getting so defensive?

I am not at all, actually I never felt reasons to be defensive, because I don't write to put someone down and I know exactly what I am writing. ...... And, I don't drag and don't bring past out of context......

 

[backfootpunch]

Bangladesh have made great strides over the years. I enjoy them watching and I think they are inspirational. The only thing that they are lacking now is the mindset of a big team. The generation of Mushfiq, Tamim, Shakib, Mortaza, Taskin etc. are fine cricketers but I don't think they have had the resilience to absorb pressure.

Nonetheless, they have provided the platform for the future generation of Bangladeshi cricketers to take a leap forward. People mocking them for not improving exponentially after two decades do not understand the game. Teams like Pakistan, India and to an extent Sri Lanka came to the party at the right time - the game was forgiving for newcomers and there was room for new teams to emerge.

The game has become too saturated in the last two decades and it is now difficult for new teams to make their mark. Bangladesh have improved and developed as much as a young cricketing nation can, but the next step will take time. However, it will happen.

Those writing songs about Afghanistan rise and how they are going to leave Bangladesh in its dust will get a reality check once Afghanistan start playing cricket against the top 8 teams on regular basis. Making big strides playing against Ireland, Netherlands, Papa New Guinea, Nepal, Ghana, Rwanda etc. frequently will make any young, talented cricketing nation look better than they are.

Although you're right in saying competing in today's game is a lot more unforgiving - Bangladesh have made poor progress to say the least with the amount of ICC funding, home matches, BPL, hosting of asia cups and ICC events etc.

Also Afghanistan will leave Bangladesh in its dust sooner rather than later. If you remember the series that was played between both of these sides (hosted by Ban) - the Afghans dominated 2 of the matches but only ended up winning one (because they stumbled in the last 10 overs of the run chase in the other game) when they should have won both games with ease to clinch the 3 game series. The level between these 2 sides in LOIs is not as significant as what you are thinking.

One thing I will say in favour of Bangladesh is that they would beat Pakistan in tests (in the SC) because Shakib and Miraz would roll over their batting line up which has become incompetent against spin following the departures of YK and Misbah. Also other than Azhar - Tamim, Mominul, Shakib and Mushfiqur are better than any Pakistan batsman in those conditions.

 

[RainMan_]

Of all the cricket playing nations, Bangladesh has regressed most. Given the #years they have been playing with access to all major cricket playing countries, you would imaging that would learn and grow.

Its time BD was relegated to an Associate and one or more of the Associates promoted to a full cricketing status for four years. That may be motivation for BD to improve otherwise all they have to offer is practice to the opposing teams. yeah they have fluked a few games but overall their cricket is garbage, sorry to say that

India and New Zealand also took a long time to win their first ever test match even though their competitors weren't that good when they made their debut in test cricket. But when Bangladesh made their debut their competitors were already well ahead of BD since most of them had years of experience in international cricket, had a good domestic structure and an abundance of International quality players.



There's no doubt that BD have done remarkably well within a very short span of time especially if we consider the fact that they had almost nothing as far as their cricket infrastructure is concerned when they started their career as a test playing nation. Within this limited time period they have significantly improved their domestic structure and emerged as major cricketing nation.


And no they haven't fluked just a couple of games. They snashed and whitewashed Pakistan, thrashed India and south africa In consecutive serieses. If we take their victory in context we will see that the same southafrican team that got destroyed by Bangladesh won their very next series against India in India. Similarly, new Zealand team who comprehensively beat Pakistan in UAE got whitewashed twice by Bangladesh.


Fluke can happen in one or two matches. It was a fluke when Bangladesh beat the unbeatable Australian team in world cup. But now it's not a fluke anymore. Because we r doing it on a consistent basis now. If f tomorrow Pakistan or new Zealand tour bangladesh and gets defeated in tests or lois nobody will be surprised. Because Bangladesh have achieved that status as a cricket playing nation.

 

[RainMan_]

Bangladesh has really come a long way. I'm a big fan of Mahmudullah and Shakib...2 of my fave non Pakistani cricketers...I think the only thing Bangladesh players need is that killer instinct to snatch the game away...Some work needs to be done in the pace bowling department but they have kept improving so I expect that to continue.

Correct. Our team lacks the killer instinct and goes into self destructive mode when opposition puts slightest bit of pressure on us. If we can make our selections right and get rid of the dead woods, I've a strong feeling that we'll again get back to our 14/15 form.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Bangladesh has forever been stuck in a state of temporal uncertainty. No doubt they are making big strides as of late but a world tournament win will truly make sure they are amongst the big boys.

 

[Kashmirilion]

As a fan of Bangladesh cricket it's disheartening to see recent results against a very poor Lankan side, couple of years ago they smashed India Pak and saffers at home, they have seemed to regress alot especially in the last 8 months or so. Bangla has a batting culture the really do lack bowling culture and without bowlers you won't win many games unless you have the batting line up dhoni had to his disposal. Even the spin bowlers barring shakib havent done alot in odis away from home, spinners are mediocre at best and the fast bowling is virtually none existent. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] iv seen many interesting posts from yourself regarding what Pakistan cricket needs to do to improve on their batting. What would you suggest needs to be done to bring about a (fast/mystery) bowling culture in Bangladesh.

 

[MMHS]

As a fan of Bangladesh cricket it's disheartening to see recent results against a very poor Lankan side, couple of years ago they smashed India Pak and saffers at home, they have seemed to regress alot especially in the last 8 months or so. Bangla has a batting culture the really do lack bowling culture and without bowlers you won't win many games unless you have the batting line up dhoni had to his disposal. Even the spin bowlers barring shakib havent done alot in odis away from home, spinners are mediocre at best and the fast bowling is virtually none existent. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] iv seen many interesting posts from yourself regarding what Pakistan cricket needs to do to improve on their batting. What would you suggest needs to be done to bring about a (fast/mystery) bowling culture in Bangladesh.

It takes lot more effort the higher you reach. It’s true in every aspect of life - one can score 600 in GMAT with minimum effort, but from there on every 10 point will need incremental effort. In cricket as well you’ll see most youngsters fading away in 2/3 years time after a good start; in soccer they call it 2nd season syndrome.

Coming to BD, we have crossed few steps - next has to be consistency. At present things are a bit disorganized for few off field issues; once they appoint the head coach some of the issues will be over. They are trying a high profile name as head coach, batting coach & possible change in bowling coach, which should have some immediate impact.

But, real improvement won’t come from this level without improving domestic system further - it’ll stuck at similar level. That’s the next big challenge for us - it’s a major problem; this game is developed through FC cricket, which isn’t popular at all in emerging countries. I actually don’t give much importance to “talent” - pro sportsmen are system produced..

 

[big_gamer007]

But we re not talking about casual fans. Firstly, we are talking about fact stuff and secondly, we (the people on this forum and other cricket forums) would be considered more than just casual fans. We have a better understanding of the sport than casual Indian fans. Agree 100% with your last comment.

What gullible Indian fans think about our team isn't a matter of concern to us. They can think whatever they wish to think. It doesn't make any difference what do ever.

It’s not about looking up or down bro - I know exactly where BD stands in cricket. Problem is when people think like worthy of UAE series or that BD U19 players are hacks after those batting display by their team, you have to reaspose.

Sure people talk about 2007 win as an upset as it was an upset. People obviously were surprised about that performance. You know what, even Pak win against India in CT Final was huge upset and no one, even Pak fans believed Pak could do it. YOu can see that by the way Pak fans gloat even after 8 months they cannot believe that it really happened. does that make Pak a minnow? certainly not, but their win was unexpected. Same way with BD. But BD has a long way to go before they will be considered top five team, but they are no way a minnow.. Canada, Netherlands are minnows not BD

First of all no need to take it to heart I am not saying Bangladesh is minnows I am just stating why the average casual fan don’t take them seriously..

It’s simple the average casual fan don’t follow Bangladesh cricket and only time they watch them are in tournaments so if they perform decently they think it’s a fluke if they perform badly it’s expected.. This perception would change once they win a big tournament like Sri Lanka did in 1996..

Regarding Pakistan of today they have a history of producing some of the best players and strong teams so people remember their past and don’t consider them minnows yet.. In addition they do win an ICC tournament here and there or reach atleast semis so the fans who only get to watch them in icc tournaments think they are still a decent team..

Like I said the above is the general perception of fans who don’t follow all cricket, on PP anyone who says BD are minnows is just trolling or riling up our BD friends..

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Bangladesh will always remain at minnow level or at a ranking between 7-10 with the current set of players...
Chandika was the best world class coach they had and under him the best they could achieve was a ranking of 6 for a short while before falling back to 7 in odis..in tests and t20s even chandika couldn't make a big difference...
So even if they appoint another world class coach, they won't get into top 5 or 6 in any format ....that's because they don't have any world class players in their lineup...Coaches don't make top teams..it's the players who make a top team...So BD needs to produce top class batsman or bowlers for them to come out of minnow status...