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Batting strike rate remains Pakistan's achilles heel

This is going to be the world cup where teams will be happy to let a Kohli, Babar, Bavuma play for a run a ball hundred if it delays the entry point of hitters like Pandya, Ifthikar, Klaasen.

It's imperative that the anchor batters realise this and not get sucked into the trap.

We have seen that definition of par score has changed significantly. I don't think any team now wants to bat first in any game.
 
What is Australia's strike rate at the moment?
 
smith is going at almost 70 and labu has a strike rate of 50.
 
drop fakhar and open with Mohammad Harris. He is the one who can provide Pakistan team with a quick start on which they can build momentum.
 
Pakistan's batting strike rate can only be improved when they go with aggressive openers. Players like Imam and Fakhar may not provide the necessary momentum on which other players can build their rythm.
 
Let's see how imam, babar, Abdullah approach this 340+ run chase
 
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20 dot balls in the 1st 6 overs of the inns.

55% of deliveries face, Pakistan are pathetic
 
W63L35 said:
When I used to appreciate Afridi for him been about 20 years ahead on the times in terms of S/R, the whole PP public used to go after me... because most the fans were too in awe and love with Misbah's ODI batting for stablizing and anchoring the ODI innings. The guy is still 16 points ahead of the modren day best who play on more patha pitches and much smaller boundries! I loved have loved to see him play his peak years between 2020-2030 in the era where 350-450 runs are not uncommon.

Among 7 ODI 100s scored in 45 or less balls until today, he is still the only one who has 2 100s.
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Sir, afiridi was a lose Canon that Pakistan tried and somehow worked in a few magical games which are etched in history but afridi was unreliable like hell and dragged pakistan down into bottom of the barrel.
Mediocre average despite being allowed to play at any number in the innings shows how cursed his flash in the pan achievements were. He rode that couple of centuries and milked them for 2 decades.
 
36 dot balls from 60 balls in PP (60%)

Pathetic.
 
After 2 matches each by all the teams in this WC.


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Poor Australia had to run into India at chennai. Their mindset messed up and thought allowing SA to score "only" 311 was some sort of victory.
 
Except Sri Lanka, all top teams have best S/R.


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In India, you don't except to win many matches against top teams when you score under 300. The pitches are too batting friendly that most your batters must score with a strike rate of around 120 in order to make a winning total.
 
After all teams have played 4 matches each...



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If the openers don't start delivering a better strike rate, it will be difficult for Pakistan to compete in the World Cup.

Even afghanistan's openers make good use of the powerplay, but we do not.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
If the openers don't start delivering a better strike rate, it will be difficult for Pakistan to compete in the World Cup.

Even afghanistan's openers make good use of the powerplay, but we do not.
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Let me surprise you....

Pakistani openers have 3rd best S/R in this WC.


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It’s not the openers/top 4 that are the problem. We’ve been in good positions in last 2 games at 30 over mark. The problem is more to do with average of the lower order in this WC, losing 40-8 v India and 36-6 v Aussies at the end, that’s the game.
 
W63L35 said:
Let me surprise you....

Pakistani openers have 3rd best S/R in this WC.


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Pakistani openers and top order have been giving us good starts that have been wasted by the middle order recently. It’s really that simple. I don’t know why people are so hesitant to blame the late middle order in particular of Iftikhar, Nawaz, Shadab, etc.
 
It was a poor knock and I think many posters don't understand cricket. Pakistan was only one down till 100+ runs. You got to attack at times otherwise this idea of playing safely till 40th overs and never attacking before that does not make sense.

I feel many players are playing for average or ranking even if it hurts Pakistan's chances.
 
Buffet said:
It was a poor knock and I think many posters don't understand cricket. Pakistan was only one down till 100+ runs. You got to attack at times otherwise this idea of playing safely till 40th overs and never attacking before that does not make sense.

I feel many players are playing for average or ranking even if it hurts Pakistan's chances.
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Pakistan's batting today:

100/1 from 20 overs
200/4 from 41.1 overs

First 100 in 20 overs
Next 100 in 21.1 overs

Once again leaving any acceleration & aggression to the last few overs. No pressure on the opposition bowlers until the end of the innings
 
Buffet said:
It was a poor knock and I think many posters don't understand cricket. Pakistan was only one down till 100+ runs. You got to attack at times otherwise this idea of playing safely till 40th overs and never attacking before that does not make sense.

I feel many players are playing for average or ranking even if it hurts Pakistan's chances.
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Should attack in the powerplay when most of the field is inside the circle

If you can put the opposition under pressure in the first 10 overs and not allow any bowler to settle in the first 10 overs by doing that you almost won half of the battle

But our strategy is to play out the bowlers for the first 35 overs and let the bowlers settle
 
Buffet said:
It was a poor knock and I think many posters don't understand cricket. Pakistan was only one down till 100+ runs. You got to attack at times otherwise this idea of playing safely till 40th overs and never attacking before that does not make sense.

I feel many players are playing for average or ranking even if it hurts Pakistan's chances.
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I think they played with scrambled minds and the collapse against India probably played a part in it.

The players, pretty much all of them, are mental midgets
 
emranabbas said:
Should attack in the powerplay when most of the field is inside the circle

If you can put the opposition under pressure in the first 10 overs and not allow any bowler to settle in the first 10 overs by doing that you almost won half of the battle

But our strategy is to play out the bowlers for the first 35 overs and let the bowlers settle
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These players seem to be hesitant to play any aggressive shots due to their fear of getting out which actualy shows a lack of confidence in their abilities.

What else we can expect from these guys?
 
Pakistan's batsman with 50+ runs in an ODI match sorted by Strike Rate
Player Span Mat Ave SR 100 50
Shahid Afridi 1996-2015 45 79.75 143.88 6 39
Fakhar Zaman 2017-2023 25 112.52 102.29 10 15
Kamran Akmal 2005-2013 15 98.75 101.28 5 10
Mohammad Rizwan 2015-2023 16 137.55 100.89 3 13
Abdul Razzaq 1999-2011 26 139.69 100.83 3 23
Zaheer Abbas 1974-1985 20 115.26 100.46 7 13
Shoaib Malik 2002-2019 53 98.87 98.01 9 44
Imran Nazir 2000-2007 11 86.7 97.74 2 9
Sarfaraz Ahmed 2014-2019 13 94.5 97.22 2 11
Umar Akmal 2009-2015 22 84.47 95.41 2 20
Haris Sohail 2014-2020 16 96 93.35 2 14
Ijaz Ahmed 1987-2000 47 95.76 93.28 10 37
Babar Azam 2015-2023 49 101.69 92.78 19 30
Younis Khan 2000-2014 55 93.79 90.44 7 48
Saeed Anwar 1990-2003 63 107.57 89.39 20 43
Mohammad Hafeez 2003-2019 49 98.22 89.21 11 38
Imam-ul-Haq 2017-2023 29 89.4 89.11 9 20
Basit Ali 1993-1995 10 94.57 89.09 1 9
Nasir Jamshed 2008-2013 11 101.75 88.57 3 8
Salman Butt 2004-2010 22 102.5 87.27 8 14
Saleem Malik 1985-1999 52 107.29 87.27 5 47
Moin Khan 1996-2004 12 102.14 86.56 0 12
Inzamam-ul-Haq 1991-2006 93 111.09 86.28 10 83
Mohammad Yousuf 1998-2010 77 120.81 86.27 15 62
Imran Khan 1982-1992 20 162.12 82.71 1 19
Saleem Elahi 1995-2004 13 93.18 82.32 4 9
Ahmed Shehzad 2011-2017 20 78.4 81.2 6 14
Azhar Ali 2012-2017 15 90.38 81.14 3 12
Imran Farhat 2003-2013 14 77.53 79.3 1 13
Misbah-ul-Haq 2002-2015 42 116.5 78.93 0 42
Javed Miandad 1977-1993 58 132.09 78.8 8 50
Ramiz Raja 1985-1997 40 101.46 76.4 9 31
Aamer Sohail 1991-1998 36 85.18 75.05 5 31
Yasir Hameed 2003-2007 15 81.85 75 3 12
Mohsin Khan 1978-1986 10 112.71 73.12 2 8
Mudassar Nazar 1978-1988 16 70.6 62.81 0 16
 
Saj said:
Pakistan's batting today:

100/1 from 20 overs
200/4 from 41.1 overs

First 100 in 20 overs
Next 100 in 21.1 overs

Once again leaving any acceleration & aggression to the last few overs. No pressure on the opposition bowlers until the end of the innings
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I think problem comes due to team having this predetermined target of 270-280 and team plays for that. I think even today I heard that. It's not a bad target, but when you are 100/1 in 20 overs then you got to capitalize on that in the next 20 overs. Simply keep it safe and then expect the last 10 overs to score 150 runs seems just weird. It can happen at times but depending on that won't work most of the times.

Afghanistan had no answer when attacked today. I can understand not attacking when you lost lots of wickets, but 20-40 overs they did not try to accelerate despite having wickets. Attacking also unsettle bowlers, otherwise they just keep bowling without any pressure.
 
emranabbas said:
Should attack in the powerplay when most of the field is inside the circle

If you can put the opposition under pressure in the first 10 overs and not allow any bowler to settle in the first 10 overs by doing that you almost won half of the battle

But our strategy is to play out the bowlers for the first 35 overs and let the bowlers settle
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Agree attacking upfront, but I think middle overs I rarely see attacking cricket unless Pakistan is forced to chase some big total. I feel Pakistan simply plays for a target in mind no matter the match situation or pitch conditions or opposition when batting first.
 
IMMY69 said:
I think they played with scrambled minds and the collapse against India probably played a part in it.

The players, pretty much all of them, are mental midgets
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It was a bog loss, but India is playing good cricket so Pakistan should quickly forget about such games. Even now, they should simply play aggressively with free mind. Till you are actually out, there is always a chance. Even it's 1%, you got to play for that and not give up.
 
I'd be interested to know the 10 World Cup teams strike-rates between overs 21 to 40? @W63L35
 
Saj said:
I'd be interested to know the 10 World Cup teams strike-rates between overs 21 to 40? @W63L35
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There is no one size fits all. Teams structure their innings based on the resources. Bavuma is slow for SA up the order. But they have fire power down the order to make up for it. Stats can be misleading here. It depends on surfaces, India was chasing low totals mostly so they didn't have to go at faster clip. If we talk about larger chase it has to be consequentially high.


Team​
Power Play​
Middle overs​
Death​
Australia​
6.10​
5.53​
8.14​
England​
5.77​
6.60​
6.14​
Netherlands​
4.20​
5.01​
7.83​
Sri Lanka​
6.47​
6.14​
5.47​
New Zealand​
5.16​
6.06​
8.16​
South Africa​
4.90​
6.37​
12.28​
Bangladesh​
4.90​
4.60​
5.94​
Afghanistan​
5.30​
4.77​
6.72​
Pakistan​
5.10​
5.95​
7.31​
India​
6.52​
5.86​
7.38​
 
After all teams have played 5 matches each....... Pakistan drops to #7 ... above only AFG, BD and NETH.

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W63L35 said:
After all teams have played 5 matches each....... Pakistan drops to #7 ... above only AFG, BD and NETH.

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My figures are slightly different, I think you need to change the date:

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Not much better reading but Pak sr is not too far off Aus.

SA are just other worldly at the moment.

And for other posters here, the NRR is not just batting sr.
 
owenhcricket said:
LOL why?

Do people know that the lower order can also strike and is quite common these days?
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The whole thread from the very first two post is about the top 4 batting positions.

The reason I picked top 4 positions was because lately our top 4 have been batting at much lower S/R than the top 4 batsmen of other teams.
 
W63L35 said:
The whole thread from the very first two post is about the top 4 batting positions.

The reason I picked top 4 positions was because lately our top 4 have been batting at much lower S/R than the top 4 batsmen of other teams.
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Fair enough.

The top 4 need at least one person who is a great striker of the bowl, Pakistan had an in form Fakhar for a while but they never had anyone groomed to take his place.
 
Anyone got stats on how many hundreds have been scored by numbers 1-3 inside 30 overs or less in ODIs since 2019?
 
Golden opportunity for Pak to consider this chase as T20 and improve NRR. To venom in Bangladesh bowling
 
Anyone got stats on how many hundreds have been scored by numbers 1-3 inside 30 overs or less in ODIs since 2019 barring minnows?
 
Pakistan chasing 204 against a poor BD side on a placid track with NRR in dire need of a boost.

52/0 in the powerplay, 40 dots.
 
In Saj's interview with Bumble, he talked about batting approach and game vs India. This is what he had to say:

"[Pakistan] have done a little bit better than England but again they've looked hesitant. You know you've got to take these games by the scruff of the neck, and you know there are teams that have scored 350 plus and if you've got a good batting lineup which Pakistan have that's what you should be aiming for- the 350 plus scores, but they've not been able to do it"

"I think that what we've seen from England as well that the days of 250 280 are long gone; You've got to be a minimum 330 and it's not that the pitches have been poor and conditions have been poor because other teams have been doing it"

"They've missed an opportunity particularly Pakistan against the old enemy India"

"They would dearly loved to have won that game but they didn't turn up they just didn't turn up and you mentioned the word timid and that's what I'm seeing"

"You look at the (low) scores (from Pakistan) - Scores which put so much pressure on their own team as a unit whereas if you're out there bossing the game, you know really get in there and get a shed full of runs and say right then over to you see how far you get because we've got a very good attack"
 
Strike Rate of Pakistan batters in World Cup 2023:

122.90 - Fakhar
119.04 - Agha Salman
115.44 - Iftikhar
100.83 - Shadab
97.96 - Shakeel
95.41 - Rizwan
93.33 - Shafique
90.00 - Imam
83.50 - Nawaz
82.90 - Babar
 
As expected and predicted in the first two posts of this thread, Pakistan's top 4 batters have a better S/R than only 3 weakest teams. Talk about consistency!


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Not a surprise to not see any Pakistani batter in this list.

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Ramiz Raja speaking on his YouTube channel

"The phobia of strike rate that has gripped the think tank of this team is something I don't understand. It's not clear to me on what basis they have developed this fear of strike rate when you know that your options are limited. Even the new players don't seem to understand that they need to give themselves a chance and develop a somewhat risk-free batting style to improve their strike rate, because good teams will put pressure on you and get you out"

"Partnerships are a fundamental aspect, whether it is any format of the game, they remain the same. The benefit of partnerships is that playing intelligently, keeping the situation in mind, and assessing it is how players are made. In a way, in this circuit, game awareness is required, and you need to harness your potential to understand what you can or cannot do."

"Saim Ayub is a great example in front of you, where he attempted to take off in the phase where he wasn't scoring, he tried to change the game, but then his confidence shattered. Similarly, there's Azam Khan; his role is not yet defined for me and I don't understand whether he's just hitting sixes in the middle order or if he needs to take his batting forward while keeping the situation in mind. These players are wasting their potential"
 
MenInG said:
Ramiz Raja speaking on his YouTube channel

"The phobia of strike rate that has gripped the think tank of this team is something I don't understand. It's not clear to me on what basis they have developed this fear of strike rate when you know that your options are limited. Even the new players don't seem to understand that they need to give themselves a chance and develop a somewhat risk-free batting style to improve their strike rate, because good teams will put pressure on you and get you out"

"Partnerships are a fundamental aspect, whether it is any format of the game, they remain the same. The benefit of partnerships is that playing intelligently, keeping the situation in mind, and assessing it is how players are made. In a way, in this circuit, game awareness is required, and you need to harness your potential to understand what you can or cannot do."

"Saim Ayub is a great example in front of you, where he attempted to take off in the phase where he wasn't scoring, he tried to change the game, but then his confidence shattered. Similarly, there's Azam Khan; his role is not yet defined for me and I don't understand whether he's just hitting sixes in the middle order or if he needs to take his batting forward while keeping the situation in mind. These players are wasting their potential"
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Yes Ramiz, we are winning everything by playing cricket from Waseem Raja’s u19 days
 
Rana said:
Yes Ramiz, we are winning everything by playing cricket from Waseem Raja’s u19 days
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Also, I don't quite understand how he doesn't understand that SR may be a tad bit important when chasing 226 in 20 ovs lol. I know the bowling has been gash to concede that many but that's a separate argument.
 
Kroll said:
Also, I don't quite understand how he doesn't understand that SR may be a tad bit important when chasing 226 in 20 ovs lol. I know the bowling has been gash to concede that many but that's a separate argument.
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Bro the entire nation is split. They are not one. They have to criticise everything that isn’t a representation of their ethos.

Ramiz criticising the need to improve strike rate by this management because they put a blind eye over it during his own time as PCB chairman.
 
So batting strike remains the issue, where the likes of Fin Allen achieved 180SR, our decorated SR was 140ish by RizBar , rest of the lot failed to make any impact
 
MenInG said:
Ramiz Raja speaking on his YouTube channel

"The phobia of strike rate that has gripped the think tank of this team is something I don't understand. It's not clear to me on what basis they have developed this fear of strike rate when you know that your options are limited. Even the new players don't seem to understand that they need to give themselves a chance and develop a somewhat risk-free batting style to improve their strike rate, because good teams will put pressure on you and get you out"

"Partnerships are a fundamental aspect, whether it is any format of the game, they remain the same. The benefit of partnerships is that playing intelligently, keeping the situation in mind, and assessing it is how players are made. In a way, in this circuit, game awareness is required, and you need to harness your potential to understand what you can or cannot do."

"Saim Ayub is a great example in front of you, where he attempted to take off in the phase where he wasn't scoring, he tried to change the game, but then his confidence shattered. Similarly, there's Azam Khan; his role is not yet defined for me and I don't understand whether he's just hitting sixes in the middle order or if he needs to take his batting forward while keeping the situation in mind. These players are wasting their potential"
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Ramiz's hypocrisy knows no bounds. Before his stint as PCB Chairman he was bemoaning how Pakistan weren't playing the modern way, lacked aggression, and all the other buzzwords we hear.
 
Kianig89 said:
So batting strike remains the issue, where the likes of Fin Allen achieved 180SR, our decorated SR was 140ish by RizBar , rest of the lot failed to make any impact
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Fakhar was genuinely batting at 200 every time he got going. He could have matched Allen but Pakistan wanted Rizwan to match him with 90 off 70 balls
 
The strike rate has always been the enemy of the Pakistan batters. There is some improvement in Babar but still way far than what Allen did and scored heavily as well.
 
Look at the difference between Imam and Fakhar. Imam might have scored runs at a better average but he is a bit slow according to modern requirements. Approach has always been the problem with these batter. Too scared to have a go at a bowler and take control of the inning.
 
Team S/R of main T20I teams since 1/1/2022 - Batting positions 1-4.
Situation is T20I is no different.

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Number of Balls taken per Six hit from the stats in previous post.
T20Is Batting positions 1-4 since 1/1/2022.

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jnaveen1980 said:
As usual Pakistan's performance is going to heavily depend on their bowling. THey would hope Pak bowlers restrict opposition to a manageable total.
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Yes, in terms of batting, we don't have any batsman who can accelerate with a high strike rate. However, Iftikhar Ahmed and Saim Ayub can be the X factor for Pakistan. Fakhar Zaman can only be effective if he opens the innings.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
As usual Pakistan's performance is going to heavily depend on their bowling. THey would hope Pak bowlers restrict opposition to a manageable total.
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In a T20 tournament how many teams have won anything (the title) based on their bowling?
 
W63L35 said:
In a T20 tournament how many teams have won anything (the title) based on their bowling?
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I think Pakistan's one world T20 win was mainly due to bowling. AAAG days? Amir, Ajmal, Afridi, Gul. Younis khan played as a T20 batsman. In the spin department they are woeful though now. Early season Australian pitches in 2022 made pakistan bowling look potent. Reached final. So if the pitch anyway helps Pakistan they will heavily bank on the bowlers. Having said that when there is no assistance Pakistan won't be able to outbat opposition against stronger sides. Will rely on catching them on an off day.
 
daytrader said:
I wonder where we rank in hitting 4s in the PP. And yes 5 & 6 is an issue, maybe Imad and Shadab are the solution
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Second worst behind Afghanistan

9.75 - Afghanistan
8.54 - pakistan
8.11 - Bangladesh
8.09 - Srilanka
8 - West Indies
7.79 - NZ
7.13 - India
6.39 - South Africa
6.61 - England
5.72 - Australia
 
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