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BCCI has lost the voting in the ICC constitutional and revenue changes meeting.
 
Source??

BCCI should take the 100 mill increase. Its still more than they had pre Big 3 and will help them save some face by getting 100 mill more than originally
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Source??

BCCI should take the 100 mill increase. Its still more than they had pre Big 3 and will help them save some face by getting 100 mill more than originally
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This is the most likely outcome.

Both sides are just starting with the extremes so they can negotiate inwards.
 
It will be out soon in the media.

What bcci will do now will be decided in the SGM in a few days.Pullout of CT has not been ruled out.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Source??

BCCI should take the 100 mill increase. Its still more than they had pre Big 3 and will help them save some face by getting 100 mill more than originally
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The media are reporting that the new financial model voted on is the $280mn reduction in ICC funding because the BCCI rejected the $180mn reduction offer made the other day.
 
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Convict said:
This is the most likely outcome.

Both sides are just starting with the extremes so they can negotiate inwards.
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Its no more a revenue only issue now.The constitutional changes are a bigger issue.

The final vote in AGM is in June.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I read a TOI article where an insider stated any talk of CT pull out was just posturing
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Any decisions will be after the SGM.Bcci has to take remedial action or be treated like **** .Neither bcci nor the political dispensation nor the majority of the populace will accept that.
 
Tomorrow could be the biggest day in Irish and Afghan cricket history if this is true anyway. Potential full membership plus guaranteed money
 
Time to drop out of Champions trophy and seriously think about expanding IPL to 12 or 16 teams.Let others enjoy and earn whatever they want.
 
Hope SC consider this as slap in their face that will spice up this game.They already thought a lesson to Subroto Roy about time ICC learnt some :))
 
tomato said:
Hope SC consider this as slap in their face that will spice up this game.They already thought a lesson to Subroto Roy about time ICC learnt some :))
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Big Slap To COA.This is what happens when you send bureaucrats/Historians/Corporates/Unknown players to deal with politicians.The CoA has assured that ZIM and BD will vote with BCCI.Didnt happen. BCCI must pull out of the CT now.
 
cricketjoshila said:
where will the money come from if India doesnt participate in ICC tournaments?
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India won't do that. TV companies will likely be applying as much pressure on the BCCI as they are on the ICC.

India will end up with the 100 million increase if they have sense. They get more than originally specified and still remain extremely rich and everyone is somewhat happy.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Big Slap To COA.This is what happens when you send bureaucrats/Historians/Corporates/Unknown players to deal with politicians.The CoA has assured that ZIM and BD will vote with BCCI.Didnt happen. BCCI must pull out of the CT now.
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Anurag proved right after all.
 
Great news, if true. They should have just taken what they were offered and if they don't like it, stop playing international cricket, at least against the full member nations, and just focus on the IPL. The BCCI doesn't have the balls to do that though so they'll drag this along and finally come to a settlement to save some face.
 
tomato said:
No.

BCCI should arrange some IPL matches during Champions trophy.
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What's your delusion? IPL is nothing without international players. I'd rather watch the Champions trophy without Pakistan in it rather than watch the PSL during champions trophy time, I'm sure a lot of Indians would do that as well.
 
Bilal7 said:
if they don't like it, stop playing international cricket, at least against the full member nations, and just focus on the IPL.
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Hope some ICC member says this to BCCI and our SC woke-up and do this , iPray. 6 to 8 month IPL in EPL style will be awesome. Matches on;ly on weekend and we can travel around country to support home team :)
 
So 9-1 vote in favor of the new deal wow.I suspect a lot of backroom discussions have taken place and those 9 have decided to stick as a bloc come what may. Interesting to see what happens next ...
 
Lol, if the BCCI had the guts to pull out of a major tournament, they wouldn't have been playing against Pakistan in all these tournaments for the last several years. This is the only sport India has and they can't lose it.
 
aloo paratha said:
What's your delusion? IPL is nothing without international players. I'd rather watch the Champions trophy without Pakistan in it rather than watch the PSL during champions trophy time, I'm sure a lot of Indians would do that as well.
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That's the challenge , whether IPL can be successful without all the foreign stars [Whoever not in their national team will come nay way ] also there is chance of seeing whether players are ready to sacrifice inetrantional careers , especially whoever in fag end of their careers.
 
Thomaskutty said:
So 9-1 vote in favor of the new deal wow.I suspect a lot of backroom discussions have taken place and those 9 have decided to stick as a bloc come what may. Interesting to see what happens next ...
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I guess only reason is ICC Chief also a Indian if its any other country they should have just given whatever BCCI asks.Manohar knows BCCI is under SC right now and cant flex muscle too much.
 
If all this is true then lets hope they give their fans here what they want and that is for India to pull out of CT.

I sincerely hope they do pull out.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
India won't do that. TV companies will likely be applying as much pressure on the BCCI as they are on the ICC.

India will end up with the 100 million increase if they have sense. They get more than originally specified and still remain extremely rich and everyone is somewhat happy.
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Its likely to spiral into an issue of white boards and Pakistan againist India.If it becomes that no tv company or anyone will be of any pressure.
 
tomato said:
That's the challenge , whether IPL can be successful without all the foreign stars [Whoever not in their national team will come nay way ] also there is chance of seeing whether players are ready to sacrifice inetrantional careers , especially whoever in fag end of their careers.
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Who is not in their national team is not as much of a star, hence less interest, hence less viewership.
 
tomato said:
IPL will bring more money than International matches but how will other countries earn what they earn now?
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IPL won't earn the same money if the only foreigners play in it are Windies mercenaries and discards of other teams.
 
Syed1 said:
9 - 1
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If India pull out of CT then we'll be awarded the points...we usually beat Sri Lanka who's the one team even worse than us - then that's us in the semis and signature change time Sir :)))
 
I can not tell you the fury all my cricket mates had in the club today here in Delhi. This is preposterous. Not only was BCCI which by any measure earns more than 50% of all revenue for ICC not a party to discussion for these changes, it is the only affected party here with revenue down by $250 million.

I am all for growth of Afghan and Irish teams but not at the cost of only one country. This is forced socialism where one country has been bullied to pay for other country's growth where costs for other teams have been nil.

Don't fool around where increased ICC Admin costs are going (I would love to see salary packages and bonuses of ICC Admins 2 years ago and after today)

I am 100% for India boycotting all ICC events now. Heck for the first time, I think if Srini was around this would not have happened. I have no faith in CoA, they are a bunch of idiots like Ghua(they will claim BCCI will play in interest of cricket fans or something).

The only hope is if BJP makes this an issue, SC might get its act together fearing loss of face.

Usual bunch here might have a field day with this but make no mistake, if SC play their cards right and tight, we might see india boycotting ICC events and expanding IPL or heck even launching a 50 over league (I would love that)
 
Syed1 said:
IPL won't earn the same money if the only foreigners play in it are Windies mercenaries and discards of other teams.
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Many teams play random foreign players still doesn't affect viewership.There are hardly 20 top level foreign players in playing 11 any way.
 
Whatever happens now the reactions of some posters here will be funny at least

Reckon this is far from over though
 
Markhor said:
If India pull out of CT then we'll be awarded the points...we usually beat Sri Lanka who's the one team even worse than us - then that's us in the semis and signature change time Sir :)))
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I was hoping you would have forgotten about it by now :afridi
 
cricketjoshila said:
Big Slap To COA.This is what happens when you send bureaucrats/Historians/Corporates/Unknown players to deal with politicians.The CoA has assured that ZIM and BD will vote with BCCI.Didnt happen. BCCI must pull out of the CT now.
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Are you sure? This seems unreal. But then again you can never rely anything Bangladesh board says. They are never true to their word. I hope bcci puts them in their place.
 
Markhor said:
If India pull out of CT then we'll be awarded the points...we usually beat Sri Lanka who's the one team even worse than us - then that's us in the semis and signature change time Sir :)))
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Crap I'm gonna need to check flights haha
 
tomato said:
I guess only reason is ICC Chief also a Indian if its any other country they should have just given whatever BCCI asks.Manohar knows BCCI is under SC right now and cant flex muscle too much.
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I am not too bothered tbh .. As a former state board president and former BCCI president , Manohar is well aware of the state of indian cricket's finances and what it needs. I am sitting on the fence for this one.
 
tomato said:
IPL will bring more money than International matches but how will other countries earn what they earn now?
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Let's see how much money the IPL earns if India stops playing in World Cups, World T20s and Champions Trophy tournaments shall we? Is BCCI going to stop playing bilateral series as well?

The IPL is huge because it's got star power, those stars are made in international cricket.

BCCI is welcome to pick up its ball and go home, yes it will hurt the ICC but the BCCI needs international cricket more than international cricket needs BCCI.

Kashmiri_Pak_fan said:
Pleaseee someone explain how is India generating more money for ICC than other boards
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Biggest TV market of all the members.
 
Does anyone know what % BCCI earns from ICC events of total revenues???

If it's small portion, why is BCCI so greedy.... For Ireland and small teams, ICC revenue is EVERYTHING..... For BCCI, it's pocket change....

In football, everybody gets same share from Fifa.... When world cup is 100x bigger than cricket world cup.... And only 4-5 teams are great at football...... And now football is played in a lot of countries thanks to all the money.....
 
Big Mac said:
Let's see how much money the IPL earns if India stops playing in World Cups, World T20s and Champions Trophy tournaments shall we? Is BCCI going to stop playing bilateral series as well?

The IPL is huge because it's got star power, those stars are made in international cricket.

BCCI is welcome to pick up its ball and go home, yes it will hurt the ICC but the BCCI needs international cricket more than international cricket needs BCCI.



Biggest TV market of all the members.
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You misunderstand. India just need to pull out of ICC events not bilaterals. If India pulls out of all ICC evens over a 4 year period, ICC will be down to its knees.
 
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BCCI fighting for small 7% of revenue.... And screwing everybody else over it!!!
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nce-vote-at-icc-meet/articleshow/58382430.cms


NEW DELHI: The Indian Cricket Board's hegemony in world cricket on Wednesday came under severe threat as the richest board was comprehensively out-voted on governance structure and revenue model at the ICC Board Meeting in Dubai.

India was checkmated by former BCCI boss Shashank Manohar, who now helms the ICC as its first independent chairman.
The BCCI was thrashed 1-9 when representatives of all other member nations, except India's Amitabh Chaudhary, voted in favour of a change in the governance structure.

Their opposition to change of the revenue model was also rejected 8-2 by the ICC board with Chaudhary only finding support from Sri Lanka Cricket's Thilanga Sumathipala.

The BCCI were opposing changes on two counts -- ICC's Governance model, which required a change in its constitution with review of full membership, and a two-tier Test structure.

The bigger issue was the contentious revenue model, which is set to bring India's share down to half from $570 million. Manohar has advocated a more equitable distribution from the earlier 'Big Three' Model where India, Australia and England were the primary earners.

"Yes, the votings are over. It was 8-2 in favour of revamped revenue model and 9-1 in favour of constitutional changes," a senior BCCI functionary present in Dubai told PTI on Wednesday.

"The BCCI has voted against both as we had, in principle, maintained that all these changes are completely unacceptable for us. At this point, we can only say that all options are open for us. We would have to go back to our SGM and apprise the members of the situation," he added.

It was learnt that since BCCI outrightly rejected the additional $100 million pay-out in revenue, it was once again given the original option of $290 million which is a $280 million cut from the $570 million India had been getting till last year.

A peeved senior official on Wednesday said that while it was expected that there will be resistance with current BCCI dispensation's bete noire Manohar at the helm, they were taken by surprise when Zimbabwe and Bangladesh -- the two votes that BCCI thought of as assured -- never came their way.

It is also a sort of embarrassment for the Committee of Administrators (COA) as it was dealing with a lot of member nations and was extremely confident of pulling it in India's favour.

The heavy defeat indicates that the COA failed to read the minds of the likes of Nazmul Hasan Papon, David Peever, Haroon Lorgat, all of whom came to India to discuss the changes.

"Zimbabwe have been promised $19 million by the ICC. On what grounds has Manohar made this promise? But strangely Bangladesh also went the other way. Today at the meeting, Manohar, in fact, said that the $290 million is a 'take it or leave it' offer," the fuming BCCI official said.

"Now at the SGM, there were only two resolutions passed. Our representative had two mandates. Propose for deferment of the decision which was rejected. And the next option was voting against during a floor Test.

"Our aim was to protect India's interest. Our tone was extremely conciliatory at the meeting for the best interest of the game. But what was shocking was Mr Manohar's stance," the official claimed.

Asked about whether India will now withdraw from the Champions Trophy, the official said, "All options are open. They have basically disrespected the Members Participation Agreement that was earlier signed.

"As of now the joint secretary will go back and an emergent SGM will be called. He will then apprise the General Body about the developments and an appropriate decision will be taken.


The official said that BCCI still does not consider it as a setback as it is "the vendetta of one man (Manohar)".

"The ICC is yet to tell us what is the basis on which a nation like Singapore stands to gain more. What exactly are the grounds? Can they explain how are they trying to cut down the Operational Costs of ICC which is $160 million?" he questioned.
 
All of this could have been avoided if ICC had acted with a bit of tact in the first place. Now we are left with a **** slinging competition. I thought FIFA were incompetent but ICC had them beat by a mile!
 
Noobosauras said:
You misunderstand. India just need to pull out of ICC events not bilaterals. If India pulls out of all ICC evens over a 4 year period, ICC will be down to its knees.
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If India pulls out of all ICC events, international cricket in India will be FINISHED. IPL doesn't need Team India!!!

Nobody is watching bilaterals without context.... It will be like South Africa....
 
JoniInsafian said:
Does anyone know what % BCCI earns from ICC events of total revenues???

If it's small portion, why is BCCI so greedy.... For Ireland and small teams, ICC revenue is EVERYTHING..... For BCCI, it's pocket change....

In football, everybody gets same share from Fifa.... When world cup is 100x bigger than cricket world cup.... And only 4-5 teams are great at football...... And now football is played in a lot of countries thanks to all the money.....
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A) Its not about how much its worth, its about how the treatment has been. How would you feel if Govt suddenly decided a 20% cess on all your earnings to feed the poor over and above the normal taxes?

B) and no $250m is Rs 1600 Crore, which is approximately the sum that is equivalent of renovating all cricket stadiums in India within a year.
 
JoniInsafian said:
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BCCI fighting for small 7% of revenue.... And screwing everybody else over it!!!
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So 32 percent of income comes from events or tours based around foreign teams, and 14 percent or the media rights also comes from playing internationally.
 
To be completely honest I think that the cut from BCCI was excessive but it's better than the previous model looking at it internationally. I think if they settle for something more in the middle of the 2 extremes, everyone can be satisfied. Associates earning money, BCCI taking a bit of a sacrifice for them along with the ECB partly.
 
JoniInsafian said:
If India pulls out of all ICC events, international cricket in India will be FINISHED. IPL doesn't need Team India!!!

Nobody is watching bilaterals without context.... It will be like South Africa....
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No bilaterals will go on, which means tests will go on.

This impacts only ODI and T20.

To be honest I or anyone I know dont have any interest in T20 internationals. Its only ODIs which will be impacted.
 
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Noobosauras said:
A) Its not about how much its worth, its about how the treatment has been. How would you feel if Govt suddenly decided a 20% cess on all your earnings to feed the poor over and above the normal taxes?

B) and no $250m is Rs 1600 Crore, which is approximately the sum that is equivalent of renovating all cricket stadiums in India within a year.
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Well the BCCI had no issue making everyone else outside the Big 3 significantly poorer at its own gain 2 years back.
 
tomato said:
Time to drop out of Champions trophy and seriously think about expanding IPL to 12 or 16 teams.Let others enjoy and earn whatever they want.
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What are our players going to do after IPL ? We can't expand IPL season into several months. Our cricketers aren't fit enough to handle that much games. I think it is also stupid to pull out of international cricketer overall.
 
Noobosauras said:
You misunderstand. India just need to pull out of ICC events not bilaterals. If India pulls out of all ICC evens over a 4 year period, ICC will be down to its knees.
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As if the Indian public won't watch the CT and the World Cup even if India doesn't play. The ICC will survive for way longer than the BCCI. Pakistan haven't played India in years, yet they're doing okay.

Syed1 said:
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Lol. Next on the agenda should be crushing this IPL window that lets the BCCI sit all cozy. That or let all the different T20 leagues compete against each other for players and viewership in that two month window. International cricket needs to be the priority.
 
Noobosauras said:
I can not tell you the fury all my cricket mates had in the club today here in Delhi. This is preposterous. Not only was BCCI which by any measure earns more than 50% of all revenue for ICC not a party to discussion for these changes, it is the only affected party here with revenue down by $250 million.

I am all for growth of Afghan and Irish teams but not at the cost of only one country. This is forced socialism where one country has been bullied to pay for other country's growth where costs for other teams have been nil.

Don't fool around where increased ICC Admin costs are going (I would love to see salary packages and bonuses of ICC Admins 2 years ago and after today)

I am 100% for India boycotting all ICC events now. Heck for the first time, I think if Srini was around this would not have happened. I have no faith in CoA, they are a bunch of idiots like Ghua(they will claim BCCI will play in interest of cricket fans or something).

The only hope is if BJP makes this an issue, SC might get its act together fearing loss of face.

Usual bunch here might have a field day with this but make no mistake, if SC play their cards right and tight, we might see india boycotting ICC events and expanding IPL or heck even launching a 50 over league (I would love that)
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BCCI only has monopoly of cricket in India thanks to INTERNATIONAL CRICKET........ No ICC events, no international cricket, no BCCI. Then Anyone can launch T20 or 50 overs league........... Anyone can buy IPL...........

BCCI doesn't have leverage like you guys think.... BCCI needs all other countries and ICC events....
 
Donal Cozzie said:
So 32 percent of income comes from events or tours based around foreign teams, and 14 percent or the media rights also comes from playing internationally.
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So 54% our own..no do some calculation for other countries how they earn money by playing against India.
 
Specialisttailender said:
What are our players going to do after IPL ? We can't expand IPL season into several months. Our cricketers aren't fit enough to handle that much games. I think it is also stupid to pull out of international cricketer overall.
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Good to see that some sensible Indians are here as well. No one country can self-sustain itself at the moment. People are going to get tired of seeing the same faces over and over and will eventually give up.
 
tomato said:
So 54% our own..no do some calculation for other countries how they earn money by playing against India.
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Point is the BCCI despite all the patriotism on here aren't gonna sacrifice between 30 and 45 percent of its revenue which stems from international cricket.
 
I said this in 2006-2007 on this very board that IPL/ICL is going to be the death of cricket.

So much money generated from T20 that if this money is not distributed properly then the game will die.
Eventually endless T20 galore is going to get boring and once the audience turns away from it
there will be no proper Cricket to go back to.
 
Specialisttailender said:
What are our players going to do after IPL ? We can't expand IPL season into several months. Our cricketers aren't fit enough to handle that much games. I think it is also stupid to pull out of international cricketer overall.
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What? only 15 to 20 of our players play international cricket rest 36 to 60 who plays in IPL don't play outside India during whole year.

We should play only during weekends and holiday for 6 months,should not be a big fitness concern.
 
I think this would be a fair model for us,

only Test as international cricket.

Rest all Domestic and IPL. Fans in India are subcontinent fans. They feed on cricket. if none available, they will watch domestic and BCCI will earn decent revenue nonetheless (maybe not as much as now but this is a game of attrition). You underestimate how jignoistic an average Indian is. The only more Jingoistic country I have been to is USA (which is another level all together) Now that a right wing party is sweeping India, this is only spreading. So this can work here for us.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
So 32 percent of income comes from events or tours based around foreign teams, and 14 percent or the media rights also comes from playing internationally.
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Yes.... And Indian FRIENDS say they will risk all this for 1-2% of revenue from ICC events.... BCCI not as dumb as indian fans!!!
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Point is the BCCI despite all the patriotism on here aren't gonna sacrifice between 30 and 45 percent of its revenue which stems from international cricket.
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Obviously but some portion of that can be covered by increasing IPL matches. Who will buy other international series for big money if Indians doesn't watch it?
 
Donal Cozzie said:
So 32 percent of income comes from events or tours based around foreign teams, and 14 percent or the media rights also comes from playing internationally.
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So if they boycott international cricket as some posters are suggesting they lose more than 10 times more than they do if they just half their ICC income. Lol @ those posters :))
 
Specialisttailender said:
How long can we absorb this kind of financial damage ? We need ICC more than them. Indians will still watch ICC events even if lesser fans tune in.
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But TV companies will not pay big money when India is not playing.Also there will not be too much advertisement as well.

Currently Kabaddi league & iSL are getting good ratings even without star international players,then i dont see any problem for IPL to survive.
 
tomato said:
Obviously but some portion of that can be covered by increasing IPL matches. Who will buy other international series for big money if Indians doesn't watch it?
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Indians will watch it though. Maybe less than now but still a significant amount.
 
JoniInsafian said:
BCCI only has monopoly of cricket in India thanks to INTERNATIONAL CRICKET........ No ICC events, no international cricket, no BCCI. Then Anyone can launch T20 or 50 overs league........... Anyone can buy IPL...........

BCCI doesn't have leverage like you guys think.... BCCI needs all other countries and ICC events....
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You misunderstand. I dont give a **** about BCCI. Let BCCI die and a better body emerge, I am all for it. I only care about India getting its due and not a penny more but not a penny less.
 
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