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What you are missing is that maybe Indian fans aren't interested only in national team and it's just you. Earlier national team was the ONLY thing available to watch, so people who liked cricket watched it. Now IPL is there and viewership data tells you people wish to watch it.

ICC World Cup viewership is also high and it is because its short and sweet. If IPL goes on for few months the interest will rapidly decline. Not sure why some idiot fans of ours want to pull out of CT. Are they actualu true Indian cricket fans or does flexing muscles give them a little bit of self esteem?
 
ICC World Cup viewership is also high and it is because its short and sweet. If IPL goes on for few months the interest will rapidly decline. Not sure why some idiot fans of ours want to pull out of CT. Are they actualu true Indian cricket fans or does flexing muscles give them a little bit of self esteem?

Some of these fans are arrogant and yeah its true flexing muscles gives them a little bit of self esteem. IPL cannot survive without international superstars and ICC's backing.
 
1.The BCCI has legal rights to withdraw from ICC events and face no repurrcussions.Thats not boycotting ICC.They will still play bilaterals.

2.If ICC in anyway bans BCCI, BCCI will move court because they are legally allowed to withdraw from ICC events.Secondly the GOI will likely to get involve and slap a ban on ICC in India.what will happen then?

3.The boards can play their World Cups or whatever events.They will continue to play bilateral series with India. Ban on India is not feasible politically and economically. India has enough political and economic clout to ensure that.

4.BCCI will demand its fair share and will take it.Else ICC can go take a hike.If it wasnot for the senile cowardly Bureaucrat or the unknown cricketer or the nehruvian historian that have been thrust upon BCCI by the supreme court,ICC would have already received the notice.

So in a nut shell you think BCCI can boycott the ICC, without the ICC fighting back in anyway.

Good one :))

Once again showing your comically delusional support for the BCCI :))
 
BCCI contribute almost 70% of the ICC revenue, all they ask is 22.9% of the share. I would like to know,

1. How much other cricket boards contribute?
2. How much revenue (% wise) were they getting under the Big 3 Model and how much would they get under the new model?

Can anyone throw some light on this?
 
1.The BCCI has legal rights to withdraw from ICC events and face no repurrcussions.Thats not boycotting ICC.They will still play bilaterals.

2.If ICC in anyway bans BCCI, BCCI will move court because they are legally allowed to withdraw from ICC events.Secondly the GOI will likely to get involve and slap a ban on ICC in India.what will happen then?

3.The boards can play their World Cups or whatever events.They will continue to play bilateral series with India. Ban on India is not feasible politically and economically. India has enough political and economic clout to ensure that.

4.BCCI will demand its fair share and will take it.Else ICC can go take a hike.If it wasnot for the senile cowardly Bureaucrat or the unknown cricketer or the nehruvian historian that have been thrust upon BCCI by the supreme court,ICC would have already received the notice.

Is BCCI going to take ICC to the same court that PCB will be suing BCCI? Wonder if the two cases will have consecutive dockets...
 
Its cute how some Indians are boasting about taking revenge on the smaller, weaker boards like PCB, BCB etc for w.e reason but conveniently ok with still playing with CA and ECB after how they played them like a puppet from start (Big3 making BCCI look like the villain) to finish.

I guess pleasing the colonial masters habit dies hard, or BCCI aren't as powerful as they think they are going up against the bigger boards.
 
ICC World Cup viewership is also high and it is because its short and sweet. If IPL goes on for few months the interest will rapidly decline. Not sure why some idiot fans of ours want to pull out of CT. Are they actualu true Indian cricket fans or does flexing muscles give them a little bit of self esteem?

Pulling out of CT is the only way to protest against the descrimination. From 550 million to 380 million is quite a big difference, other boards are not even having a 1% cut then why should BCCI alone should bear the pain?

People are understimating the power of BCCI. BCCI earn around 250-350 crore annually through IPL, with India being a cricket crazy country, I can see the the earning going upwards rather than declining. In short ICC need BCCI and not the other way round.

As far as international players are concerned (for IPL), it won't be difficult for BCCI to hire/buy them. BTW, each EPL season runs from Aug to May, i don't see any decline in interest.
 
ICC World Cup viewership is also high and it is because its short and sweet. If IPL goes on for few months the interest will rapidly decline. Not sure why some idiot fans of ours want to pull out of CT. Are they actualu true Indian cricket fans or does flexing muscles give them a little bit of self esteem?

There is literally no evidence for this bizzare idea that if people like something they watch less of it. EPL has 38 games in a season and including other competitions English clubs will play 60 games a day. So many Indians will watch literally every game they play. Same with IPL clubs only to greater extent. There is literally no evidence viewership will drop.

I want the pullout because A) This move of ICC is not fair (in line with contribution) or logical. It's just arbitrarily all other boards agreed to gang up and cut India's share and hope that COA forces BCCI to take it.

B) This might lead to power struggle and extended IPL and that will be good for the game in the long run. The current state of affairs in cricket is not sustainable.
 
There is literally no evidence for this bizzare idea that if people like something they watch less of it. EPL has 38 games in a season and including other competitions English clubs will play 60 games a day. So many Indians will watch literally every game they play. Same with IPL clubs only to greater extent. There is literally no evidence viewership will drop.

I want the pullout because A) This move of ICC is not fair (in line with contribution) or logical. It's just arbitrarily all other boards agreed to gang up and cut India's share and hope that COA forces BCCI to take it.

B) This might lead to power struggle and extended IPL and that will be good for the game in the long run. The current state of affairs in cricket is not sustainable.

Can I just correct a factual error here?

The 2014 Big Three distribution model for the period 2015-2023 was outvoted this year. It is null and void.

That means that we are going from the previous model to the new one. The 2014 one now officially didn't happen.

So every country is going down from 7.5% to 7%, to subsidise India's increase from 7.5% to 15.75%.

India is getting its share doubled, not reduced.
 
Pulling out of CT is the only way to protest against the descrimination. From 550 million to 380 million is quite a big difference, other boards are not even having a 1% cut then why should BCCI alone should bear the pain?

People are understimating the power of BCCI. BCCI earn around 250-350 crore annually through IPL, with India being a cricket crazy country, I can see the the earning going upwards rather than declining. In short ICC need BCCI and not the other way round.

As far as international players are concerned (for IPL), it won't be difficult for BCCI to hire/buy them. BTW, each EPL season runs from Aug to May, i don't see any decline in interest.

You do know that BCCI used to get 7.5% of the share before the Big 3 ambush in 2014 right? Under the Big 3 that 7.5% share rocketed up to 34%. So you are actually comparing apples and oranges here.


Where are you pulling all these percentages from?

According to what I can see this is the percentage breakdown with the $400 mil offer which is still on the table.


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Not to mention BCCI could have most likely walked away with $445 mil in the first place if they weren't so damn greedy which btw would have taken their share to 26%.
 
This has dragged on long enough for crying out loud. The proposal on the table is for $400 million, the BCCI wants $570 million. Let both parties just get together, make their cases and move on. Negotiate/agree to something, rather than making the CT as the lynchpin for future revenue distribution.

Revenues from CT are critical for several boards. So not a good time to jeopardize revenues.
 
There is literally no evidence for this bizzare idea that if people like something they watch less of it. EPL has 38 games in a season and including other competitions English clubs will play 60 games a day. So many Indians will watch literally every game they play. Same with IPL clubs only to greater extent. There is literally no evidence viewership will drop.

I want the pullout because A) This move of ICC is not fair (in line with contribution) or logical. It's just arbitrarily all other boards agreed to gang up and cut India's share and hope that COA forces BCCI to take it.

B) This might lead to power struggle and extended IPL and that will be good for the game in the long run. The current state of affairs in cricket is not sustainable.

Stupid comparison. EPL had been around long time, possess variety of unique opponents and that is what everyone has gotten used to. Just like cricket fans are used to seeing internatiomal matches. IPL is just 10 years old and 2 teams are only 2 years old. People don't have true passion for IPL, everyone enjoys the the ride in summer and thats all. Why don't we get more than fee posters in commentary thread during IPL matches ? EPL also has world wide fans, IPL has audience but they don't have true fans and don't care whether Pune plays next year or not.
 
So in a nut shell you think BCCI can boycott the ICC, without the ICC fighting back in anyway.

Good one :))

Once again showing your comically delusional support for the BCCI :))

Again where is the boycott?Its a legal remedy according to the contract signed. ICC will "Ban" BCCI for following the law?
 
Again where is the boycott?Its a legal remedy according to the contract signed. ICC will "Ban" BCCI for following the law?

And under the same legal remedy that they want to use they will also have to forfeit their participation in the next 2 world cups, the world test championship (assuming it goes ahead), the next t20 world cup, the next 2 womens world cups, the next 3 u19 world cups and their hosting rights for the 2023 world cup.
 
And under the same legal remedy that they want to use they will also have to forfeit their participation in the next 2 world cups, the world test championship (assuming it goes ahead), the next t20 world cup, the next 2 womens world cups, the next 3 u19 world cups and their hosting rights for the 2023 world cup.

Yes,they will. Thats why invoking the MPA. This is a legal remedy not some whim of BCCI.. ICC can keep all the revenue.
 
And under the same legal remedy that they want to use they will also have to forfeit their participation in the next 2 world cups, the world test championship (assuming it goes ahead), the next t20 world cup, the next 2 womens world cups, the next 3 u19 world cups and their hosting rights for the 2023 world cup.

If needed, then yes. I don't see what's the issue here. BCCI already made it clear about ICC tournaments.
 
Again where is the boycott?Its a legal remedy according to the contract signed. ICC will "Ban" BCCI for following the law?

Oh ok so now you're saying there is no boycott but sticking by the narrative that ICC can't do anything if BCCI boycot...sorry...I mean...pull out of all ICC events?
 
Oh ok so now you're saying there is no boycott but sticking by the narrative that ICC can't do anything if BCCI boycot...sorry...I mean...pull out of all ICC events?

The MPA provides the legal remedy for BCCI. Thats the law being followed.ICC cannot "ban" BCCI for following the agreement. If they do then BCCI can sue the ICC.

The MPA is a legally registered document in the UK.So if ICC breaks the provisions of the MPA BCCI will sue them in UK courts.
 
This is getting more and more comical reading the bcci defenders here...

What's is this MPA being talked about?
 
The MPA provides the legal remedy for BCCI. Thats the law being followed.ICC cannot "ban" BCCI for following the agreement. If they do then BCCI can sue the ICC.

The MPA is a legally registered document in the UK.So if ICC breaks the provisions of the MPA BCCI will sue them in UK courts.

Yes yes I get that - you think BCCI can boycott the act and get off the hook without any reprecautions - that has been established. It's hilarious - but it has been established.

But going back - earlier you said "where is the boycott?". Are you suggesting that there is no boycott? Are you saying that BCCI pulling out of ICC events is not BCCI boycotting ICC events?
 
This is getting more and more comical reading the bcci defenders here...

What's is this MPA being talked about?

It is pretty hilarioua :))

Yet sad at the same time to think that some people actually believe this rubbish
 
This is getting more and more comical reading the bcci defenders here...

What's is this MPA being talked about?

It serves well to read about things before making comments.

What the MPA says

6.4 Member may terminate this Agreement as a whole (but not in part only)

(c) if there are any material changes that are materially adverse to Member to (i) the structure of the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee of the IDI Board; (ii) the structure of the Executive Committee of the ICC Board; (iii) the membership of (i.e. the ICC Members represented on) the Finance and Commercial Affairs Committee of the IDI Board or the Executive Committee of the ICC Board; or (iv) the percentage of "Contribution Costs" of IDI receivable by Member as approved by the IDI Board; or

(d) if there is any other material change to any of the resolutions passed by the ICC Board in Singapore on 8th February 2014 (as amended by the ICC Board in Dubai on 9th April 2014) that (i) has not been approved in advance by Member; and (ii) has a materially adverse effect on Member.

So BCCI can withdraw from ICC events legally.
 
Yes yes I get that - you think BCCI can boycott the act and get off the hook without any reprecautions - that has been established. It's hilarious - but it has been established.

But going back - earlier you said "where is the boycott?". Are you suggesting that there is no boycott? Are you saying that BCCI pulling out of ICC events is not BCCI boycotting ICC events?

Again.ICC breaking the terms of contract means BCCI can withdraw.Its the ICC that is breaking the contract not BCCI.BCCI is ready to follow the agreement if ICC keeps its part of the bargain.
 
Stupid comparison. EPL had been around long time, possess variety of unique opponents and that is what everyone has gotten used to. Just like cricket fans are used to seeing internatiomal matches. IPL is just 10 years old and 2 teams are only 2 years old. People don't have true passion for IPL, everyone enjoys the the ride in summer and thats all. Why don't we get more than fee posters in commentary thread during IPL matches ? EPL also has world wide fans, IPL has audience but they don't have true fans and don't care whether Pune plays next year or not.
In other news, cricket fans in India don't give two hoots about non (IPL) followers in other nations ~
http://www.livemint.com/Consumer/SK...ures-garners-3639-million-viewers-so-far.html
 
Again.ICC breaking the terms of contract means BCCI can withdraw.Its the ICC that is breaking the contract not BCCI.BCCI is ready to follow the agreement if ICC keeps its part of the bargain.

Again - you're not answering the question.

Is the BCCI boycotting ICC events or not?
 
It serves well to read about things before making comments.



So BCCI can withdraw from ICC events legally.

what bcci is really saying is...
" we can't live without your handout"

But hasn't bcci agreed to send a team to champions trophy? Or are they get still making threats of boycott to this, or is it now future tournaments..... all a bit comical.
 
what bcci is really saying is...
" we can't live without your handout"

But hasn't bcci agreed to send a team to champions trophy? Or are they get still making threats of boycott to this, or is it now future tournaments..... all a bit comical.

There has been no team announcement.
 
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what bcci is really saying is...
" we can't live without your handout"

But hasn't bcci agreed to send a team to champions trophy? Or are they get still making threats of boycott to this, or is it now future tournaments..... all a bit comical.
Right & the one giving handouts is the ICC just because?
 
Again you are asking the wrong question.

Because the answer doesn't suit your narrative?

Here - I'll help you. Here is the text book definition of "boycott". You can even google "boycott definition" and see what you get:

boycott
ˈbɔɪkɒt/Submit
verb
1.
withdraw from commercial or social relations with (a country, organization, or person) as a punishment or protest.

So now - are BCCI boycotting the ICC events or not?

To be honest the fact that you cant answer the question says it all - but it's just fun to see you get yourself tangled up in awkward situations which expose you and your blatantly BCCI biased opinions :yk
 
Because the answer doesn't suit your narrative?

Here - I'll help you. Here is the text book definition of "boycott". You can even google "boycott definition" and see what you get:



So now - are BCCI boycotting the ICC events or not?

To be honest the fact that you cant answer the question says it all - but it's just fun to see you get yourself tangled up in awkward situations which expose you and your blatantly BCCI biased opinions :yk


There is no punishment or protest in following the terms of a legal agreement.There is no boycott only following the law.

Its hilarious how you are desperate to gloat and make people believe that BCCI can be banned.
 
Because the answer doesn't suit your narrative?

Here - I'll help you. Here is the text book definition of "boycott". You can even google "boycott definition" and see what you get:



So now - are BCCI boycotting the ICC events or not?

To be honest the fact that you cant answer the question says it all - but it's just fun to see you get yourself tangled up in awkward situations which expose you and your blatantly BCCI biased opinions :yk

Owned:91:
 
There is no punishment or protest in following the terms of a legal agreement.There is no boycott only following the law.

Its hilarious how you are desperate to gloat and make people believe that BCCI can be banned.

So you're telling him that these threats from the BCCI are just for fun and not because they want to protest the fact that their greedy board and lots of greedy fans want more money?
 
So you're telling him that these threats from the BCCI are just for fun and not because they want to protest the fact that their greedy board and lots of greedy fans want more money?

If one party breaks the agreement, is the other party bound to follow it?
 
There is no punishment or protest in following the terms of a legal agreement.There is no boycott only following the law.

Its hilarious how you are desperate to gloat and make people believe that BCCI can be banned.

:)) :))

I love how desperate you are to change the topic and keep bringing up BCCI being banned. Whats hilarious is you thinking that BCCI can boycott ICC events and get away without any consequences.

Oh wait - its not a boycott is it? :))

The BCCI has refused to participate in ICC events since the BCCI is unhappy by the financial model proposed by the ICC....however, they aren't boycotting the ICC events.

#CJLogic
 
India is protesting against the new model and if it doesn't show up to the CT, it will a very clear boycott.
 
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Are you absolutely sure that BCCI is not boycotting the ICC event?

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That was before i went through the exact words of the MPA. Seems BCCI doesnt need to boycott anything.Just follow the law.

That was bfore
 
That was before i went through the exact words of the MPA. Seems BCCI doesnt need to boycott anything.Just follow the law.

That was bfore

:)) ah ok - that was before.

It was a boycott when that suited your narrative but now you've read a document and it doesn't suit your narrative so it's not a boycott :))

You remind me a the cliche slimy politician who talk a lot and say very little, whilst dodging and diving questions, and changing the 'facts' to suit their narrative whilst looking like a clown to the audience

The fact that you think BCCI can boycott the CT and not face any sort of reprecautions is just delusion at its best and shows how biased and brain washed your opinion is.
 
The fact that you think BCCI can boycott the CT and not face any sort of reprecautions is just delusion at its best and shows how biased and brain washed your opinion is.

If India boycotts the CT then of course it will face repercussions. It will not get the 14% of revenues it is generating, instead it will get 0%.

Of course, the ICC won't get to keep the 86% it wants to keep either. So the repercussions for the ICC will be a bit more.

Also, in the longer run the "repercussions" for India will largely be positive. It can move to the next logical step in the evolution of the game, which is to take control of it economically. No need to give ICC any money, it has proven to be a hindrance for India and a useless money sink. Keep the 100%, no need to give ICC anything, give a share of the 100% to countries who play with you. No need for absurd organizations like the ICC where countries with 1% and 2% contribution to revenues have the same voting power as the country that contributes 70%.
 
If India boycotts the CT then of course it will face repercussions. It will not get the 14% of revenues it is generating, instead it will get 0%.

Of course, the ICC won't get to keep the 86% it wants to keep either. So the repercussions for the ICC will be a bit more.

Also, in the longer run the "repercussions" for India will largely be positive. It can move to the next logical step in the evolution of the game, which is to take control of it economically. No need to give ICC any money, it has proven to be a hindrance for India and a useless money sink. Keep the 100%, no need to give ICC anything, give a share of the 100% to countries who play with you. No need for absurd organizations like the ICC where countries with 1% and 2% contribution to revenues have the same voting power as the country that contributes 70%.

Ah man I'm not going back to square one of the discussion for the 4th time with every BCCI supporter who comes along.

Summary:

- BCCI boycott will of course impact ICC and BCCI financially

- If BCCI boycotts ICC events, then no doubt the ICC will look to strike back in some way. Some BCCI fans on here cannot accept this which is hilarious and sad at the same time

- Where does BCCI make money from if it isolates it self and goes against the ICC and consequently the ICC's member? The rajni trophy or an IPL which doesn't have international players?

- What's the long term plan? Boycott CT and then what? Leave the ICC? Not play in World Cups, World T20s and potential Test Championships? What happens if the other boards are forced to chose between ICC and BCCI? Can the BCCI give other cricket boards the opportunity to participate in events likes the World Cup?Can the BCCI give the other boards the financial perks the ICC gives them? Before answering please keep in mind that this whole tantrum which the BCCI is throwing is over something like $150million over an 8 year period. That is what one 'regular' cricket board gets from the ICC, so if the BCCI wants to 'buy' support from a number of cricket boards and keep them away from the ICC, the BCCI will have to start writing some pretty big cheques.
 
- What's the long term plan? Boycott CT and then what? Leave the ICC? Not play in World Cups, World T20s and potential Test Championships? What happens if the other boards are forced to chose between ICC and BCCI? Can the BCCI give other cricket boards the opportunity to participate in events likes the World Cup?

It is all a matter of money, offer other boards enough money and they will be on BCCI's side at the blink of an eye. Remember Kerry Packer? He got the best players because he paid them more. The difference between Packer and BCCI is that BCCI actually has a country behind it which generates enough money to be financially successful.

Can the BCCI give the other boards the financial perks the ICC gives them? Before answering please keep in mind that this whole tantrum which the BCCI is throwing is over something like $150million over an 8 year period. That is what one 'regular' cricket board gets from the ICC, so if the BCCI wants to 'buy' support from a number of cricket boards and keep them away from the ICC, the BCCI will have to start writing some pretty big cheques.

Your understanding of business is weak. You are looking at only the cost side for BCCI (the checks BCCI will have to write). On the revenue side, instead of getting 14%, it will keep the 70% that is now being sucked out of India by ICC. A much better business proposition for BCCI.
 
So the last few pages were just back and forth about whether it is a boycott or not lol.

It is irrelevant. BCCI will flex its muscles and will end up with a number greater than 400m but less than 570m.
 
:)) ah ok - that was before.

It was a boycott when that suited your narrative but now you've read a document and it doesn't suit your narrative so it's not a boycott :))

You remind me a the cliche slimy politician who talk a lot and say very little, whilst dodging and diving questions, and changing the 'facts' to suit their narrative whilst looking like a clown to the audience

The fact that you think BCCI can boycott the CT and not face any sort of reprecautions is just delusion at its best and shows how biased and brain washed your opinion is.



If you really think ICC has any sort of impositional power or to regulate any sanctions on BCCI or any board for that matter - you are either in a fool's paradise or over estimating ICC.
ICC is a legislative body not a regulatory body firstly.
PCB's claim to ICC regarding BCCI did not go implemented by the ICC
And lastly, Cricket is not an exclusive property of the ICC
 
Ah man I'm not going back to square one of the discussion for the 4th time with every BCCI supporter who comes along.

Summary:

- BCCI boycott will of course impact ICC and BCCI financially

- If BCCI boycotts ICC events, then no doubt the ICC will look to strike back in some way. Some BCCI fans on here cannot accept this which is hilarious and sad at the same time

- Where does BCCI make money from if it isolates it self and goes against the ICC and consequently the ICC's member? The rajni trophy or an IPL which doesn't have international players?

- What's the long term plan? Boycott CT and then what? Leave the ICC? Not play in World Cups, World T20s and potential Test Championships? What happens if the other boards are forced to chose between ICC and BCCI? Can the BCCI give other cricket boards the opportunity to participate in events likes the World Cup?Can the BCCI give the other boards the financial perks the ICC gives them? Before answering please keep in mind that this whole tantrum which the BCCI is throwing is over something like $150million over an 8 year period. That is what one 'regular' cricket board gets from the ICC, so if the BCCI wants to 'buy' support from a number of cricket boards and keep them away from the ICC, the BCCI will have to start writing some pretty big cheques.

- BCCI boycott will of course impact ICC and BCCI financially - Yes I agree

If BCCI boycotts ICC events, then no doubt the ICC will look to strike back in some way. Some BCCI fans on here cannot accept this which is hilarious and sad at the same time - ICC can strike back in what way ? You don't bite the hand that feeds you - BCCI is paying the ICC bills so quite possibly it will sit back and ponder like it has always done. You seem more concerned about the repurcussions than the administrators at BCCI

Where does BCCI make money from if it isolates it self and goes against the ICC and consequently the ICC's member? The rajni trophy or an IPL which doesn't have international players ?
ICC - is a legislative body not a regulatory body - If BCCI is not under ICC - it is not answerable to the ICC. Now in a ICC voting - if the majority of cricketing boards ask for the exclusion of non competition clause and do not sign a clause barring them from participating with BCCI - ICC cannot impose it. International cricket is not exclusive to ICC only.

What's the long term plan? Boycott CT and then what? Leave the ICC? Not play in World Cups, World T20s and potential Test Championships? What happens if the other boards are forced to chose between ICC and BCCI? Can the BCCI give other cricket boards the opportunity to participate in events likes the World Cup?

I've discussed this issue before - Let's say if the BCCI were to detach from the ICC and let's say an alternate cricketing body is created - the WCC - world cricket council . Now the world cricket council is ready to operate independently from the ICC and is open to play with the ICC members.
Let's say if the majority of the ICC boards want to keep the option open to continue having their international players play in the IPL and maintain their rights to play in tournaments organized by the WCC. Again if in the voting - this is voted in favor ICC cannot impose that.
With the lack of funds - How would ICC ensure the salary / prize money of tournaments / lost of revenue through broadcasting and barring international players making millions playing in the IPL ?
 
So the last few pages were just back and forth about whether it is a boycott or not lol.

It is irrelevant. <b>BCCI will flex its muscles and will end up with a number greater than 400m but less than 570m.</b>

What you say may happen, but I really think in the long term India needs to get out of ICC. Makes no sense to have one vote when you are contributing 70% of revenues, when other countries with 1% or less contributions also have one vote. This drama will continue repeating till a rational system is set up.
 
IPL will only survive if it is kept short and sweet. Even Indians don't want months long IPL, worse twice in a calender's year.

With no international matches, every Indian would love to have months long IPL with matches only on weekends (Fri-Sun), just like EPL. BCCI and Indians can easily survive solely on IPL, but I doubt if ICC can survive without BCCI.
 
The answer is simple. Switch to broadcasters like Sky or ESPN who can sell the ad slots to UK/AUS based companies. They will suffer siginificant losses, sure. But they don't have to be held hostage by a spoiled Bharat board that will throw a temper tantrum every 2 years.

If Srinivasan hadn't screwed stuff up with the Big 3 takeover in the first place, we would never have been here today.
 
Some of the arguments on PP regarding this topic are absolutely hilarious and those were expected out of jealousy. :))
Like seriously BCCI takes handout from ICC? Lmao.Some of the Idiotic assumptions:
1) BCCI is greedy [Its fighting for its rightful share. Greater good of game and all is bullcrap. They want to dethrone BCCI.]
2) India would leave ICC.
3) INDIA would have 6 months IPL.

Sane possibility:
India pulling out of CT only and not ICC. This however is completely dependent on not BCCI. :))
 
A ton of rubbish being posted by the BCCI crew as usual.

Here are the actual facts and figures:

Before the Big 3 ambush in 2014 BCCI actually used to get 7.5% of the share. Which of course more that quadrupled to 33-34% under Big 3.

The current offer on the table for BCCI is 23% which is of course more than triple the share BCCI used to get before Big 3.

The whole purpose of what's going on right now is to rollback those ridiculous Big 3 changes made by Srinivasan and co. However BCCI is still hell bent on the 33% and wants the full 10% set aside for the associates to make that happen.

So as it stands now CA, CSA, PCB, SLC, NZC, WICB and BCB will all receive around the same share as they used to before the Big 3 fiasco.

ZC is set to lose around 1.5% and Associates are set to lose roughly 15%

ECB is set to gain around 1% and BCCI is set to gain around 15.5%


So how exactly is BCCI getting shafted here?


 
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A ton of ribbish being posted by the BCCI crew as usual.

Here are the actual facts and figures:

Before the Big 3 ambush in 2014 BCCI actually used to get 7.5% of the share. Which of course more that quadrupled to 33-34% under Big 3.

The current offer on the table for BCCI is 23% which is of course more than triple the share BCCI used to get before Big 3.

The whole purpose of what's going on right now is to rollback those ridiculous Big 3 changes made by Srinivasan and co. However BCCI is still hell bent on the 33% and wants the full 10% set aside for the associates to make that happen.

So as it stands now CA, CSA, PCB, SLC, NZC, WICB and BCB will all receive around the same share as they used to before the Big 3 fiasco.

ZC is set to lose around 1.5% and Associates are set to lose roughly 15%

ECB is set to gain around 1% and BCCI is set to gain around 15.5%


So how exactly is BCCI getting shafted here?
And a crap ton of BS flung around by the other 3 quarters of members. So tell me how much does England or Australia contribute to global events like the ICC CT or WT20 & WC, in terms of $ spent on procuring broadcast rights or $ spend by advertisers & sponsors? Now go back to marquee events starting with the Reliance WC in 1987, Wills in 1996 or any number of recent events where LG, Reliance et al were lead sponsors. Where does this money come from, let me guess the tea/poppy plantations in any number of our neighboring countries?

STAR India (ICC event broadcaster) charges what rate in the UK or Australia, FYI just a rhetorical question? What happens to the SLCB if India doesn't tour every couple of years or so, aside from becoming insolvent? I can name half a dozen boards who make major revenues directly through India tour, so tell me why should we pay for someone else's lounge tea in a 5 star hotel.

By the same token shouldn't Aussie cricketers accept the pay offer the CA's thrown at them? They don't count because obviously they're not the evil BCCI & India, very obviously of course.
 
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The answer is simple. Switch to broadcasters like Sky or ESPN who can sell the ad slots to UK/AUS based companies. They will suffer siginificant losses, sure. But they don't have to be held hostage by a spoiled Bharat board that will throw a temper tantrum every 2 years.

If Srinivasan hadn't screwed stuff up with the Big 3 takeover in the first place, we would never have been here today.

Speaking of Sky and ESPN, why are they being outbid every time for ICC rights? Actually, do they even bid?
 
Speaking of Sky and ESPN, why are they being outbid every time for ICC rights? Actually, do they even bid?
Sky doesn't have enough $ left after the EPL, they're also not competing with STAR (or Fox) since they wouldn't wanna start a bidding war with their own sister concern, all 3 are owned by Newscorp at least that should be common knowledge.

Espn left cricket (broadcast) after they divested their stake in ESPN Star to STAR India, now they've come back with Sony to from a JV & possibly bid for the next IPL rights. They're mainly here for the Indian market, like previously, & won't go bid for global events. India is a guaranteed revenue stream for any broadcaster, this is why Sony & ESPN are betting big(ger) on India. As for global events, without India you can imagine what their plight might be. Also the next IPL could fetch anywhere between $2~5 billion for 10 years, that's my guesstimate but you can always quote me to say I'm wrong, if I'm wrong next year :D
 
Sky doesn't have enough $ left after the EPL, they're also not competing with STAR (or Fox) since they wouldn't wanna start a bidding war with their own sister concern, all 3 are owned by Newscorp at least that should be common knowledge.

Espn left cricket (broadcast) after they divested their stake in ESPN Star to STAR India, now they've come back with Sony to from a JV & possibly bid for the next IPL rights. They're mainly here for the Indian market, like previously, & won't go bid for global events. India is a guaranteed revenue stream for any broadcaster, this is why Sony & ESPN are betting big(ger) on India. As for global events, without India you can imagine what their plight might be. Also the next IPL could fetch anywhere between $2~5 billion for 10 years, that's my guesstimate but you can always quote me to say I'm wrong, if I'm wrong next year :D

Forgot that Star and Sky are essentially the same. So the current situation for the ICC events is there are potentially just 2 broadcasters competing for rights - Star and Sony-ESPN. While Ch 9, SuperSport et all have no interest or the means to make a serious bid.

This pretty much shrinks $$ for the ICC just on the basis of lack of competition.
 
Forgot that Star and Sky are essentially the same. So the current situation for the ICC events is there are potentially just 2 broadcasters competing for rights - Star and Sony-ESPN. While Ch 9, SuperSport et all have no interest or the means to make a serious bid.

This pretty much shrinks $$ for the ICC just on the basis of lack of competition.
Tbh C9 or Supersport don't have the $ to bid for an ICC 8 year rights cycle. It simply is too expensive for any broadcaster outside of the top American media conglomerates, Disney (ESPN's owner) being the largest one.

The ICC could simply do it for 4 years & make it more competitive, but unlike the BCCI there's very little competence I see in the upper echelons of ICC. They blow money (& lots of other things) left, right & center, I wouldn't bet on them if I were a betting man.
 
And a crap ton of BS flung around by the other 3 quarters of members. So tell me how much does England or Australia contribute to global events like the ICC CT or WT20 & WC, in terms of $ spent on procuring broadcast rights or $ spend by advertisers & sponsors? Now go back to marquee events starting with the Reliance WC in 1987, Wills in 1996 or any number of recent events where LG, Reliance et al were lead sponsors. Where does this money come from, let me guess the tea/poppy plantations in any number of our neighboring countries?

STAR India (ICC event broadcaster) charges what rate in the UK or Australia, FYI just a rhetorical question? What happens to the SLCB if India doesn't tour every couple of years or so, aside from becoming insolvent? I can name half a dozen boards who make major revenues directly through India tour, so tell me why should we pay for someone else's lounge tea in a 5 star hotel.

By the same token shouldn't Aussie cricketers accept the pay offer the CA's thrown at them? They don't count because obviously they're not the evil BCCI & India, very obviously of course.

Funny you say that. Btw how does BCCI distribute revenue from IPL among the franchises?
 
Funny you say that. Btw how does BCCI distribute revenue from IPL among the franchises?
Why is this relevant to what you were pointing out? The cricketers generate major revenues for CA, they ought to have biggest pie, the same goes for BCCI at the ICC.
 
Just answer that very simple question. You brought this up right.
 
Just answer that very simple question. You brought this up right.
You know what I brought up, it's simple if you understand simple maths. The IPL franchises don't contribute anything extra to the IPL revenues, they do have variable expenses though, hence they get the same chunk of pie.

You're telling me the Aussie female cricketers are paid the same as male counterparts by the CA, does the SLC contribute equally to WC as the BCCI? You bring an obscure point to drive an agenda, except your point ends where it begins, try harder next time!
 
So the franchises bring in the same revenue is that what you are saying lol. Get that rubbish out of here.
 
So the franchises bring in the same revenue is that what you are saying lol. Get that rubbish out of here.
WTH are you talking about, do you even know how the revenue model works for the IPL? Lemme guess, NO.

The IPL is guaranteed a sum by Sony, the host broadcaster that is distributed equally among franchises, that's where the biggest revenue comes from. What the franchises make themselves, outside of IPL via promos & events, is their own money. Hence the variable costs as well.

Now lets see your explanation, I bet you'd argue Ami KKR is donating some amount to the IPL coffers. OR how Preeti Zinta does shows (as guest host) to bring more money for the IPL.
 
Yeah I know enough to know that around 70% of the BCCI’s revenue from IPL per season is distributed equally among the franchises. Of course not everyone brings the same dough to the table. Some teams have more viewers, supporters and drawing power etc while others not as much. All that obviously factors into tv rights money.
 
Yeah I know enough to know that around 70% of the BCCI’s revenue from IPL per season is distributed equally among the franchises. Of course not everyone brings the same dough to the table. Some teams have more viewers, supporters and drawing power etc while others not as much. All that obviously factors into tv rights money.
And that has nothing to do with bringing more $ to the IPL table, you're telling me a higher TRP match will results in more $ outflows from Sony, to the BCCI or does the advertiser pays more (to Sony) because people love MI instead of GL?

The gate receipts are shared between the state association & the IPL, there again variable costs come into play with different venues, but I'm assuming the state gets a minimum amount to make the matches viable in the future as well.

The TV rights were sold at a fixed cost, there is no variable in there, Sony doesn't pay more because the TRP went up, likewise for the advertisers. Also the ad slots are sold in advance, only certain spot ads can bring premium revenue to Sony but even that is not passed on.
 
Yeah I know enough to know that around 70% of the BCCI’s revenue from IPL per season is distributed equally among the franchises. Of course not everyone brings the same dough to the table. Some teams have more viewers, supporters and drawing power etc while others not as much. All that obviously factors into tv rights money.

The franchises bring equal $$ to the table - Zero. It is the BCCI/IPL that generates the money via TV rights. The franchises make revenues via kit sponsors etc. 100% of which they keep. The BCCI/IPL gives ("handouts") a % of the TV money to the franchises.
 
The franchises bring equal $$ to the table - Zero. It is the BCCI/IPL that generates the money via TV rights. The franchises make revenues via kit sponsors etc. 100% of which they keep. The BCCI/IPL gives ("handouts") a % of the TV money to the franchises.

But would these TV rights be as valuable if there was less teams, and you removed a few for example from the major cities?
 
But would these TV rights be as valuable if there was less teams, and you removed a few for example from the major cities?

There is no evidence that one franchise brings in more revenue than the others.
 
But would these TV rights be as valuable if there was less teams, and you removed a few for example from the major cities?
The rights were paid for 10yrs back around 07/08 but there might have been a clause that there'd be a minimum of 8 teams (or 50 odd games?) so that Sony could get its ROI. Once the dotted line was signed & Sony paid $ there's no way BCCI could walk away from such terms, that's not even up for debate.

The major cities can be removed, if the franchise owner said so because frankly 90% of the money comes from TV & (electronic) media related stuff, also the smaller cities have lower operational costs for venues & hotels as well as transportation. I'd argue it's more profitable to host the game in Ranchi than Mumbai.
 
And that has nothing to do with bringing more $ to the IPL table, you're telling me a higher TRP match will results in more $ outflows from Sony, to the BCCI or does the advertiser pays more (to Sony) because people love MI instead of GL?

The gate receipts are shared between the state association & the IPL, there again variable costs come into play with different venues, but I'm assuming the state gets a minimum amount to make the matches viable in the future as well.

The TV rights were sold at a fixed cost, there is no variable in there, Sony doesn't pay more because the TRP went up, likewise for the advertisers. Also the ad slots are sold in advance, only certain spot ads can bring premium revenue to Sony but even that is not passed on.

Ah there we go just what I wanted to hear. By the same token ICC has sold the broadcasting rights for ICC tourneys as a package at a fixed price for a certain period right. So going by your reasoning how exactly is BCCI bringing in extra dough to the table?
 
It is all a matter of money, offer other boards enough money and they will be on BCCI's side at the blink of an eye. Remember Kerry Packer? He got the best players because he paid them more. The difference between Packer and BCCI is that BCCI actually has a country behind it which generates enough money to be financially successful.



Your understanding of business is weak. You are looking at only the cost side for BCCI (the checks BCCI will have to write). On the revenue side, instead of getting 14%, it will keep the 70% that is now being sucked out of India by ICC. A much better business proposition for BCCI.

Of course if you give them enough money they will play, however, where will BCCI make that money from? Right now ICC pays all its 'normal' members $130m over 8 years.

BCCI is throwing a tantrum because according to them - their words not mine - they cannot function without an additional $150m compared to what has been offered right now.

So now the question is - if BCCI is so desperate for an additional $150m from ICC, how on earth will they afford to give every touring team at least, if not more than $130m. Kerry Packer happened because he was able to offer individual players more than their home board & sure BCCI may be able to do that with some players coming to play in the IPL, however, BCCI doesn't have the money to give entire teams more than what are ICC is offering them right now.

Don't worry about my business sense, specially when they are such gaping flaws in your logic. You still have not been able to tell me where BCCI will make the money from if it doesn't have the support of the ICC and the ICC members?

How will it make the money required to buy teams support and lure them away from the ICC?

Where BCCI even make that 70% from?

Anyway - the cherry on the cake - seems like sensible heads have prevailed in the BCCI and they have also realised that their only option is to shut up and play in the Champions Trophy.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-India-will-take-part-in-the-Champions-Trophy
 
Ah there we go just what I wanted to hear. By the same token ICC has sold the broadcasting rights for ICC tourneys as a package at a fixed price for a certain period right. So going by your reasoning how exactly is BCCI bringing in extra dough to the table?
By the same token they're being offered 23% of the proceeds, explain that, I bet you can?
 
The franchises bring equal $$ to the table - Zero. It is the BCCI/IPL that generates the money via TV rights. The franchises make revenues via kit sponsors etc. 100% of which they keep. The BCCI/IPL gives ("handouts") a % of the TV money to the franchises.

It certainly ain’t zero and to suggest that the contribution is the same is quite laughable. Afaik IPL broadcasting rights were sold as a package in 08 for a 10 year cycle. Obviously in those calculations Sony would have factored in projections of what each individual team would bring to the table to come up with what they should pay for the rights. Also pretty sure that there’s a central IPL sponsorship pool as well. Again those sponsors would have gone through similar sort of calculations to arrive at their figures.
 
- BCCI boycott will of course impact ICC and BCCI financially - Yes I agree

If BCCI boycotts ICC events, then no doubt the ICC will look to strike back in some way. Some BCCI fans on here cannot accept this which is hilarious and sad at the same time - ICC can strike back in what way ? You don't bite the hand that feeds you - BCCI is paying the ICC bills so quite possibly it will sit back and ponder like it has always done. You seem more concerned about the repurcussions than the administrators at BCCI

Where does BCCI make money from if it isolates it self and goes against the ICC and consequently the ICC's member? The rajni trophy or an IPL which doesn't have international players ?
ICC - is a legislative body not a regulatory body - If BCCI is not under ICC - it is not answerable to the ICC. Now in a ICC voting - if the majority of cricketing boards ask for the exclusion of non competition clause and do not sign a clause barring them from participating with BCCI - ICC cannot impose it. International cricket is not exclusive to ICC only.

What's the long term plan? Boycott CT and then what? Leave the ICC? Not play in World Cups, World T20s and potential Test Championships? What happens if the other boards are forced to chose between ICC and BCCI? Can the BCCI give other cricket boards the opportunity to participate in events likes the World Cup?

I've discussed this issue before - Let's say if the BCCI were to detach from the ICC and let's say an alternate cricketing body is created - the WCC - world cricket council . Now the world cricket council is ready to operate independently from the ICC and is open to play with the ICC members.
Let's say if the majority of the ICC boards want to keep the option open to continue having their international players play in the IPL and maintain their rights to play in tournaments organized by the WCC. Again if in the voting - this is voted in favor ICC cannot impose that.
With the lack of funds - How would ICC ensure the salary / prize money of tournaments / lost of revenue through broadcasting and barring international players making millions playing in the IPL ?

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If you really think ICC has any sort of impositional power or to regulate any sanctions on BCCI or any board for that matter - you are either in a fool's paradise or over estimating ICC.
ICC is a legislative body not a regulatory body firstly.
PCB's claim to ICC regarding BCCI did not go implemented by the ICC
And lastly, Cricket is not an exclusive property of the ICC

Every day a new BCCI fan shows up and goes to square one of the debate :facepalm:

So you are also a believer that BCCI can boycott the CT and get away without any consequences?

Ah ok so you basically want BCCI to over throw the ICC and become the global regulatory body of world cricket...great. The ICC members a few weeks ago voted to cut the amount of money BCCI gets and also cut the power they have with regards to voting on issue, however, you're hoping that the same members will be happy to play under the BCCI World Cricket Council which is run by the BCCI and BCCI have complete control of the finances over.

Ok - you hold onto that dream - meanwhile it's looking like BCCI have realised that all of that is just a dream and all that they can do is shut up and play the CT:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-India-will-take-part-in-the-Champions-Trophy

Looks like your plans to save the world will have to wait for another day
 
Of course if you give them enough money they will play, however, where will BCCI make that money from? Right now ICC pays all its 'normal' members $130m over 8 years.

BCCI is throwing a tantrum because according to them - their words not mine - they cannot function without an additional $150m compared to what has been offered right now.

So now the question is - if BCCI is so desperate for an additional $150m from ICC, how on earth will they afford to give every touring team at least, if not more than $130m. Kerry Packer happened because he was able to offer individual players more than their home board & sure BCCI may be able to do that with some players coming to play in the IPL, however, BCCI doesn't have the money to give entire teams more than what are ICC is offering them right now.

Don't worry about my business sense, specially when they are such gaping flaws in your logic. You still have not been able to tell me where BCCI will make the money from if it doesn't have the support of the ICC and the ICC members?

How will it make the money required to buy teams support and lure them away from the ICC?

Where BCCI even make that 70% from?

Anyway - the cherry on the cake - seems like sensible heads have prevailed in the BCCI and they have also realised that their only option is to shut up and play in the Champions Trophy.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-India-will-take-part-in-the-Champions-Trophy
This was already explained above, the ICC is paid by Indian broadcaster, who's backed almost entirely by Indian money. Take India out & see either or both of them burn like a candle.

You mean the CoA, bunch of stooges & wimps, carry on with the sigh of relief though. The ICC lives to see another day.
 
This was already explained above, the ICC is paid by Indian broadcaster, who's backed almost entirely by Indian money. Take India out & see either or both of them burn like a candle.

You mean the CoA, bunch of stooges & wimps, carry on with the sigh of relief though. The ICC lives to see another day.

By why would the broadcaster pay if India has no international matches to pay? Will the broadcaster pay enough to pay all the cricket boards what the ICC is currently paying?

Hahahaha sure the last couple sentences there are just hilarious and show which type of people run the BCCI and which type of people support them :)) people who are full of garbage and a false sense of bravodo & need to be monitored at all times to ensure they don't go and do something stupid
 
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