BCCI says 'no' to World Test Championship

[cricketjoshila]

MUMBAI: The BCCI has once again trained its guns on the International Cricket Council (ICC), dismissing the latter's effort to call for a working group meeting to discuss the proposed World Test Championship structure.

In calling ICC's "bluff" at arranging a two-day meeting to discuss the bilateral cycle, the Indian cricket board's current administration has categorically ruled out agreeing to any of the governing body's criterion suggesting changes to the Test calendar. ICC's proposed nine-plus-three structure to have a four-year Test cricket cycle with a cut-off date for qualification was scheduled to begin in 2019.

"How can a nine-plus-three structure be proposed in the first place when the ICC Board is yet to ratify Ireland and Afghanistan's full membership status? They (certain ICC board members) are just trying to test the waters and gauge the mood of members. In the process, they're still thinking that a "weak" BCCI may not resist," an official in the know of things told TOI.

While dismissing the significance of this two-day working group meeting, the Indian Board is also confident that when the time comes for the ICC's Chief Executive Meeting (CEC) to be called for in April, the BCCI will have enough strength to counter the proposed policies of the governing body through a vote count.

During the ICC's Board meeting in October, the BCCI had firmly opposed the proposed two-tier Test structure, an idea that had to be eventually scrap ped by the governing body . In its aftermath, the "wisdom" of a select few individuals then sought a way forward through a Test championship structure that had been on the back-burner.

The BCCI, for the record, played the role of a mute spectator to a 7-2 in-principle vote that was called for by ICC's independent chairman Shashank Manohar in February this year, seeking a go-ahead to the flurry of changes being sought in the ICC's finance and governance model.The BCCI was represented by SC-appointed administrator Vikram Limaye -whose foray into cricket administration was just one day old. Sri Lanka was the only ICC member that voted in India's favour, Zimbabwe refrained from voting while the Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) opted to side with Manohar's proposal.


"That will not continue to be the case going forward," a BCCI official said, refusing to go into any further details for now.


The ICC's proposed revenue restructuring was based on many factors, one of which included addition of two new ICC World T20s in the existing eightyear financial cycle. However, it is reliably learnt that the parent body's global broadcaster refused to offer the existing contractual value to the newly proposed tournaments, thereby forcing the member boards of the ICC to rethink their strategy .


For the first time in close to a month -ever since questions were raised about BCCI possibly losing ground at the ICC in the wake of an interim administration -the Indian Board decided to make its stand very clear. "We will act when the time comes. I'd say , wait and watch."

Seems the BCCI isnt as weak as ICC thought it to be.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ld-test-championship/articleshow/57625332.cms

 

[Sarfarazian92]

Field day for joshila bhai after Manohar's resignation.

 

[Mamoon]

Not interested in BCCI's motives, but generally speaking, I am not a fan of the Test Championship and hopefully it won't come to fruition. Test cricket doesn't need a championship when you have the Mace.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Obviously we hate competition these days. Just make three indian teams, call them big 3, say goodbye to ICC and its poor member boards. We have the best league in the world. We do not need this world test championship.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Field day for joshila bhai after Manohar's resignation.

ICC played it wrong.They thought BCCI was weak so lets rail road them.The CoA has to answer to the SC why it didnt do anything.So the CoA has now decided to go againist ICC.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

ICC played it wrong.They thought BCCI was weak so lets rail road them.The CoA has to answer to the SC why it didnt do anything.So the CoA has now decided to go againist ICC.

I don't wanna sound stupid, but what is CoA?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't wanna sound stupid, but what is CoA?

Committee of Administrators appointed by Supreme Court of India to run BCCI.

ICC should have negotiated with them.But no.They tried to ram them down.

 

[kingusama92]

The format is barely holding on as it is.

If they don't get a proper championship in place, it'll lose further traction.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

What is bcci's proposal?

 

[USofA]

Now that the BCCI has called ICC's "bluff", will the ICC have the backbone to stand up for it wants accomplished? Or will it continue to act in spineless and selfish ways and grovel at BCCI's feet for $$$ and cave in?

History points to the latter happening.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Terrible idea.

The least BCCI could do was to let the Test Championship idea float along.

I think India were worried about possible forfeiture of points because of not playing Pakistan and losing out on revenue by playing Test matches against Teams that would not give them a financial windfall.

Nevertheless, this can go on only so long.

One day BCCI will see that in order to sustain itself there needs to be other cricket playing countries otherwise why bother?

 

[USofA]

Terrible idea.

The least BCCI could do was to let the Test Championship idea float along.

I think India were worried about possible forfeiture of points because of not playing Pakistan and losing out on revenue by playing Test matches against Teams that would not give them a financial windfall.

Nevertheless, this can go on only so long.

One day BCCI will see that in order to sustain itself there needs to be other cricket playing countries otherwise why bother?

But the fact remains that the decision to bring this up for a vote still remains with the ICC. Everyone still gets only one vote. But the "lesser" boards will continue to be selfish and vote for easy money as opposed to working hard to become self sufficient.

I agree that the BCCI needs other cricket playing countries. But it is ridiculous to say that these boards should be kept alive with handouts for ever just for the sake of "competition". At some point the people giving the handouts are going to get tired of it.

I support the idea of giving money to these boards. But it should come with strict requirements of improvements, a timeline/end game to this money and path to self sufficiency.

 

[leatherface58]

Test cricket does not draw much. The decision makes sense. Baring England, Australia and to an extent, India, you don't see full houses anymore despite tests being way more result-oriented and entertaining these days.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Terrible idea.

The least BCCI could do was to let the Test Championship idea float along.

I think India were worried about possible forfeiture of points because of not playing Pakistan and losing out on revenue by playing Test matches against Teams that would not give them a financial windfall.

Nevertheless, this can go on only so long.

One day BCCI will see that in order to sustain itself there needs to be other cricket playing countries otherwise why bother?

Not really I think cricket specially Test Cricket is more likely to die as an international sport. Just like US has its sports such as Baseball, Basket Ball, American football and Ice Hockey without needing internationals . Indian economy is big enough that it could go on its own for cricket. Might not be great for the rest of the countries or cricketers of previous generations might miss test cricket but newer generations brought up on IPl and T20 wont really care. The way things are going with all countries having their own leagues it wont make economic sense to play any form of international cricket apart from a T20i world cup here or there.

 

[shariqnoor]

At the end of the day cricket is ultimately going to mimick football with each country having its own domestic league. Then we'll have a Champions League like tournament and every 4 years a T20 and an ODI world cup. Domestic teams will buy and sell foreign players just like it happens in the football leagues. That's the eventual climax of cricket. No kid growing up today is going to bother about Test cricket.

 

[Executioner]

I support BCCI here. Test championship will take months and there is no point in it

 

[Zahid87]

Test Championship in the form proposed is flawed anyway. Its just a slightly more refined version of what we have now.

If you want a real Test Championship, then there has to be a set period where all teams play each other, and that too a set number of games. You can't have 5 tests between England and Australia every 2 years, and then 2 tests with Bangladesh every 4/5 years and call it a fair playing field.

This is something none of the main boards are willing to agree to, forget the BCCI.

I think the main concern of the BCCI would be pertaining to the IPL, and their now much advertised, 'home season' as well. They want to protect the window that they have carved out for themselves from October to May. The Test Championship would put that window in jeopardy as teams would be under pressure to fit in some series' against each other in that same window. That way, only the ECB is really unaffected as, no one else can really host cricket in 'their summer'.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Apparently it's no holds barred day for all LOI minnows.....

The beauty of this beautiful game will eventually die out I guess and the format that people like me love will probably come to an end

Can't believe this is happening just because some idiots are trying to sabotage a 150 year old tradition

Truly Terrible......

 

[TalhaSyed]

No doubt the concept of a Test championship needs refining. However, there is also no doubt that Test cricket needs something like a Test championship to keep itself relevant and feasible in today's world.

The fact that instead of looking for a solution that's better for Test cricket and World Cricket, BCCI are too busy taking stands to show that they aren't weak to the ICC, CoA, SC, GOI (or whatever other group you wanna talk about), just once again goes to show that the BCCI are nothing but a selfish cancer that will sooner or later cripple world cricket for their personal gain.

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] hit the nail on the head with what the BCCI's mentality is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

At the end of the day cricket is ultimately going to mimick football with each country having its own domestic league. Then we'll have a Champions League like tournament and every 4 years a T20 and an ODI world cup. Domestic teams will buy and sell foreign players just like it happens in the football leagues. That's the eventual climax of cricket. No kid growing up today is going to bother about Test cricket.

Sorry but domestic cricket leagues can never mimic football leagues. Reasons

1) Football leagues run around 8-10 months per season. Cricket leagues can only run for 2-3 months even then it becomes repetitive and boring for fans.

2) There is no loyality in domestic cricket leagues. Fans don't even know who to support most of the time. They are always confused. Thats not the case in football. You can see kids in other countries following Man Utd passionately. No matter how hard you try to convince others but nobody gives a damn about Chennai Super Kings outside india and Islamabad United outside PSL.

3) One player can only play for one team in football leagues. This is not possible in cricket leagues. Most of these players play for 3-4 leagues. There is no loyality and attachment to any of these teams.

4) You can only dream of running cricket leagues like football leagues because there are limited teams and players in cricket. In football that is not the case. England have EPL which has 20 teams. Then they have Divisions so there are many chances for a club footballer playing in Nigeria to grab a contract. In cricket that's not possible. Fans do not have patience to create stars from scratch. They will only go to watch a match if a player is a proven international star.

5) In cricket if there are no international matches then there will be no international stars which are the main attraction of these cricket leagues. You can dream about guys like ashok dinda bowling to rajat bhatia and 50000 people watching them in the stadium if there are no international superstars. Football leagues on the other hand creates superstars such is the standard of these leagues.

 

[Pakpak]

Test cricket will die out eventually, which makes me sad but its the reality.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Test cricket is in life support. The format is dying a low painful death, it doesn't matter whether it has any championship or not. Test cricket is definitely not suitable for 21st century

 

[phoenix363]

Sad to see.

Test cricket is dying, and purists won't allow the format/traditions to be changed. The championship was the best way to bring some context into meaningless Test Matches which are the least watched parts of any bilateral tour (not my opinion, simply a fact based on attendances/ interest).


The mace and ranking system is a joke. It is considered a good achievement but there is no excitement in winning a match, waiting until a random cut off point and being awarded the mace on some separate date when hardly anyone is there to enjoy it. It never makes the news, while the ODI and T20 world cups do.

Having a championship where you work towards a final is clearly the way to go. Only a sport such a cricket can continue to resist this long.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Sad to see.

Test cricket is dying, and purists won't allow the format/traditions to be changed. The championship was the best way to bring some context into meaningless Test Matches which are the least watched parts of any bilateral tour (not my opinion, simply a fact based on attendances/ interest).


The mace and ranking system is a joke. It is considered a good achievement but there is no excitement in winning a match, waiting until a random cut off point and being awarded the mace on some separate date when hardly anyone is there to enjoy it. It never makes the news, while the ODI and T20 world cups do.

Having a championship where you work towards a final is clearly the way to go. Only a sport such a cricket can continue to resist this long.

Test cricket won't be the same after the older white people in UK and Australia die out. Those guys have been watching it since pre internet era. Nowadays nobody has time to watch a 5 hour match let alone one that drags on for 5 days. It's impossible to keep test cricket alive in this fast paced world

 

[Markhor]

Hugely disappointing, Test cricket badly needs context and this Championship idea whilst not perfect was a solution worth trying.

 

[moghul]

BCCI is a problem, got too much power but doesn't know how to handle it.

 

[shaz619]

BCCI obviously would say no because:

1. They Fear playing Pakistan

2. They are incompetent at Test Cricket

3. Would not have the comfort of playing at "home" as England would be the likely host nation for the tournament and we all know what happened to the Motorway King Kohli the last time he toured there

4. They simply do not have the skill levels and lack the heart to play Test Cricket

5. Mentally weak and do not posses the strength to compete with teams around the world

 

[Executioner]

Hugely disappointing, Test cricket badly needs context and this Championship idea whilst not perfect was a solution worth trying.

First world problems

Zimbabwe cricket is going down the drain
West Indies cricket is going down the drain
Associate nations are not getting proper funding.

Who needs test cricket when only a handful of teams play it? What cricket first needs is to globalize the game. What good will test championship do to lower tier teams.

If only ICC had invested more money on weaker teams cricket would never have had to worry about test

 

[USofA]

No doubt the concept of a Test championship needs refining. However, there is also no doubt that Test cricket needs something like a Test championship to keep itself relevant and feasible in today's world.

The fact that instead of looking for a solution that's better for Test cricket and World Cricket, BCCI are too busy taking stands to show that they aren't weak to the ICC, CoA, SC, GOI (or whatever other group you wanna talk about), just once again goes to show that the BCCI are nothing but a selfish cancer that will sooner or later cripple world cricket for their personal gain.

[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] hit the nail on the head with what the BCCI's mentality is.

I'm sorry but this is the job of the ICC not the BCCI. When the ICC whose responsible for this is hardly doing anything, not sure how BCCI can be held accountable.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I'm sorry but this is the job of the ICC not the BCCI. When the ICC whose responsible for this is hardly doing anything, not sure how BCCI can be held accountable.

Sure - and the BCCI have no say in the what the ICC does - right?

Lets play along and act like the ICC is a completely separate entity to the BCCI, where the BCCI has no influence.

It does not change the fact that if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing.

Specially since - as CJ has mentioned - BCCI are just doing this for an ego boost and to show off to the SC, CoA, ICC etc. etc, and not any logical reason.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sure - and the BCCI have no say in the what the ICC does - right?

Lets play along and act like the ICC is a completely separate entity to the BCCI, where the BCCI has no influence.

It does not change the fact that if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing.

Specially since - as CJ has mentioned - BCCI are just doing this for an ego boost and to show off to the SC, CoA, ICC etc. etc, and not any logical reason.

Not any logical reason?Who decides what is the logical reason?

BCCI is there to look after the interests of Indian cricket.The CoA has also understood it and will fight for the interests of Indian cricket.The ICC tried to railroad the BCCI down,thinking that the CoA will too weak to do anything,they have been proven wrong.

Just to make it clear,The BCCI is run by CoA,appointed by SC.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Sure - and the BCCI have no say in the what the ICC does - right?

Lets play along and act like the ICC is a completely separate entity to the BCCI, where the BCCI has no influence.

It does not change the fact that if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing.

Specially since - as CJ has mentioned - BCCI are just doing this for an ego boost and to show off to the SC, CoA, ICC etc. etc, and not any logical reason.

Ofcourse there is a logical reason.They are basically trading votes with Bangladesh for the revenue sharing model.

 

[Zahid87]

BCCI obviously would say no because:

1. They Fear playing Pakistan

2. They are incompetent at Test Cricket

3. Would not have the comfort of playing at "home" as England would be the likely host nation for the tournament and we all know what happened to the Motorway King Kohli the last time he toured there

4. They simply do not have the skill levels and lack the heart to play Test Cricket

5. Mentally weak and do not posses the strength to compete with teams around the world

Firstly, the tournament aspect would just be 2 tests really. A semi-final and a final. It will rotate.

Secondly, what is the point of such posts. It adds nothing to the debate. Yes, BCCI are scared to play tests, which is why after the ECB and CA, they have played the most test cricket over the last few years, both home and away.

The BCCI like tests, not as much as ODIs, but they like them. Esp test tours. Comitting to tours of certain countries is what gets them the votes and influence they need.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Ofcourse there is a logical reason.They are basically trading votes with Bangladesh for the revenue sharing model.

Yea - which goes back to the point in my original post:

".....BCCI are nothing but a selfish cancer that will sooner or later cripple world cricket for their personal gain"

Not any logical reason?Who decides what is the logical reason?

BCCI is there to look after the interests of Indian cricket.The CoA has also understood it and will fight for the interests of Indian cricket.The ICC tried to railroad the BCCI down,thinking that the CoA will too weak to do anything,they have been proven wrong.

Just to make it clear,The BCCI is run by CoA,appointed by SC.

Yes - BCCI/CoA taking stances just to show their strength to the SC, or because they aren't being allowed to do what they want, when they want, is a very logical reason

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yea - which goes back to the point in my original post:




Yes - BCCI/CoA taking stances just to show their strength to the SC, or because they aren't being allowed to do what they want, when they want, is a very logical reason

Its your POV.Doesnt mean its necessarily right.

Not allowed to do what they want,when they want?

 

[shaz619]

Its your POV.Doesnt mean its necessarily right.

Not allowed to do what they want,when they want?

It is 100% correct and right, your assumptions are very illogical. BCCI belongs to the ICC, they are in debt to their masters who allow them to play cricket and will be humbled much like India have at the hands of Australia.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Its your POV.Doesnt mean its necessarily right.

Not allowed to do what they want,when they want?

Its your POV.

You say that the ICC "thought BCCI was weak so lets rail road them" [Post #5 in this thread]

I say ICC told the BCCI that they cant go about doing whatever they want, whenever they want, so the BCCI threw their toys out the pram and had a good old tantrum.

 

[USofA]

Sure - and the BCCI have no say in the what the ICC does - right?

Lets play along and act like the ICC is a completely separate entity to the BCCI, where the BCCI has no influence.

It does not change the fact that if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing.

Specially since - as CJ has mentioned - BCCI are just doing this for an ego boost and to show off to the SC, CoA, ICC etc. etc, and not any logical reason.

Yes the BCCI throws its weight around, but ICC is supposed to be the one in charge. Where is their backbone? Why is the ICC not standing by its beliefs? Same goes for the rest of the boards. Do they even have a stance/belief?

All these boards and ICC are totally selfish. They are happy with easy money. So the same amount of blame goes to the ICC and the rest of the boards.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Yes the BCCI throws its weight around, but ICC is supposed to be the one in charge. Where is their backbone? Why is the ICC not standing by its beliefs? Same goes for the rest of the boards. Do they even have a stance/belief?

All these boards and ICC are totally selfish. They are happy with easy money. So the same amount of blame goes to the ICC and the rest of the boards.

Not sure if you've noticed this - but BCCI is the ICC's backbone which is why the BCCI is able to throw its weight around.

ICC and the other boards want to set up a Test championship since its essential to save Test cricket. BCCI do not.

How can ICC and the rest of the boards be blamed in this instance?

 

[USofA]

Its your POV.

You say that the ICC "thought BCCI was weak so lets rail road them" [Post #5 in this thread]

I say ICC told the BCCI that they cant go about doing whatever they want, whenever they want, so the BCCI threw their toys out the pram and had a good old tantrum.

The BCCI throwing toys out of the pram is nothing new. It has happened in the past and will continue to happen. What does surprise me is the willingness and over enthusiasm of the ICC and rest of the boards to climb over each other to put the toys back in, so that the BCCI can do it all over again.

 

[USofA]

Not sure if you've noticed this - but BCCI is the ICC's backbone which is why the BCCI is able to throw its weight around.

ICC and the other boards want to set up a Test championship since its essential to save Test cricket. BCCI do not.

How can ICC and the rest of the boards be blamed in this instance?

BCCI being the backbone of the ICC should stop. The ICC should be the one to stop it and become independent.

As far as the Test Championship goes, it is still one vote per board. When the boards are going to vote with the BCCI then they are to be blamed as well.

 

[BeautifulGame]

Yea - which goes back to the point in my original post:

Meh not everything is black and white.

BCCIs priority is India and indian fans.If every other other board were as competent and looked after its players like BCCI, cricket would have been far better off.

 

[troodon]

How many months will a Test Championship go on? 2 MOnths? 3 Months? 4 Months?



No Thanks!!

 

[BeautifulGame]

Not sure if you've noticed this - but BCCI is the ICC's backbone which is why the BCCI is able to throw its weight around.

ICC and the other boards want to set up a Test championship since its essential to save Test cricket. BCCI do not.

How can ICC and the rest of the boards be blamed in this instance?

Because this test championship isnt actually something what it says.

If ICC inducted Afganistan and Ireland into test fold and made it mandatory that every series should be the same no tests (3 for ex) and no relegation do you think Bangladesh or Sri Lanka will oppose them.ICC would easy have had enough votes to get this test championship through.

But they reduced the mandatory no of tests in a tour to just single test and introduced relegation but kept allowed the likes of Engand Australia (and India) to keep their marquee series without any problem.

Obviously smaller boards feel threatened and voting against it.Dont paint it as some noble cause .

Everyone is greedy for something here.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Meh not everything is black and white.

BCCIs priority is India and indian fans.If every other other board were as competent and looked after its players like BCCI, cricket would have been far better off.

Meh - if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted.

On the other hand - if all the boards acted like the BCCI AND they had a ready made audience for their product which was as large as the BCCI have at their disposal, THEN cricket would have been far better off, since all the boards would be money making machines.

By the sounds of it - based on what CJ is saying and the way the BCCI is acting, the BCCI's No.1 priority is to throw their weight around and show off to the SC.

BCCI being the backbone of the ICC should stop. The ICC should be the one to stop it and become independent.

As far as the Test Championship goes, it is still one vote per board. When the boards are going to vote with the BCCI then they are to be blamed as well.

In an ideal world it would stop. ICC recently tried to make a move to make it stop. However, in response, the BCCI start to throw their weight around and make stances like this.

And absolutely - as I said in my original response to you:

"if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing"

 

[BeautifulGame]

Meh - if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted.

No idea whatever.

On the other hand - if all the boards acted like the BCCI AND they had a ready made audience for their product which was as large as the BCCI have at their disposal, THEN cricket would have been far better off, since all the boards would be money making machines.

Basic competence wouldnt go amiss.

 

[USofA]

Meh - if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted.

On the other hand - if all the boards acted like the BCCI AND they had a ready made audience for their product which was as large as the BCCI have at their disposal, THEN cricket would have been far better off, since all the boards would be money making machines.

By the sounds of it - based on what CJ is saying and the way the BCCI is acting, the BCCI's No.1 priority is to throw their weight around and show off to the SC.



In an ideal world it would stop. ICC recently tried to make a move to make it stop. However, in response, the BCCI start to throw their weight around and make stances like this.

And absolutely - as I said in my original response to you:

People in power will act like it and will not give up power/control voluntarily. It is just not human nature. The change has to come from the other side. The other side needs to take the lead in forcing/making a change. But so far I do not see any action from the other side that says/indicates that they want change. They seem perfectly happy towing the line and lining their pockets.

 

[TalhaSyed]

No idea whatever.



Basic competence wouldnt go amiss.

I like how you can say stuff like "If every other other board were as competent and looked after its players like BCCI, cricket would have been far better off." thats ok, but if someone says "if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted." your response is the same response a teenage girl has to most answer - "whatever"

Then when your concepts are challenged you come out with a one line such as "Basic competence wouldnt go amiss" as if that will make your point valid

Because this test championship isnt actually something what it says.

If ICC inducted Afganistan and Ireland into test fold and made it mandatory that every series should be the same no tests (3 for ex) and no relegation do you think Bangladesh or Sri Lanka will oppose them.ICC would easy have had enough votes to get this test championship through.

But they reduced the mandatory no of tests in a tour to just single test and introduced relegation but kept allowed the likes of Engand Australia (and India) to keep their marquee series without any problem.

Obviously smaller boards feel threatened and voting against it.Dont paint it as some noble cause .

Everyone is greedy for something here.

And do you honestly think India, Aus & England will spend time and money playing 3 Test series against Afg, Ire or even Bangladesh?

Or do you think that scrapping the Ashes will help keep Test cricket alive?

Either way - in my first post in this thread I said that the Test championship concept needs refining - but that is not what this is about.

This is about BCCI saying:

How can a nine-plus-three structure be proposed in the first place when the ICC Board is yet to ratify Ireland and Afghanistan's full membership status? They (certain ICC board members) are just trying to test the waters and gauge the mood of members. In the process, they're still thinking that a "weak" BCCI may not resist,"

In other words - the BCCI will put pointless road blocks in way of the Test Championship just to make ICC's life difficult and show the ICC how much "strength" the BCCI have. The above statement makes it sound like if Afg & Ire were made into Test teams the BCCI would not have made this stance which is complete bogus.

Ofcourse everyone will look out for what is best for themselves first then what is best for the greater good. But please don't make it sound like BCCI are taking this stance because they are doing what is best for the Indian fans or the what is best for the smaller teams, when it is obvious (and people like CJ and the BCCI have already accepted) that BCCI are just showing the ICC that they are not "weak", and will not be pushed over.

 

[TalhaSyed]

People in power will act like it and will not give up power/control voluntarily. It is just not human nature. The change has to come from the other side. The other side needs to take the lead in forcing/making a change. But so far I do not see any action from the other side that says/indicates that they want change. They seem perfectly happy towing the line and lining their pockets.

Sure - I agree with the basic premise - but what do you suggest?

The BCCI should stop reporting/contributing to the ICC, yet should continue to feature in ICC events?

Or that all the other members should refuse to take a cut of the ICC's revenues?

Or that the ICC should become a 'charitable body' that solely organises events free of charge and doesn't take or give any money to the member boards?

 

[USofA]

I like how you can say stuff like "If every other other board were as competent and looked after its players like BCCI, cricket would have been far better off." thats ok, but if someone says "if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted." your response is the same response a teenage girl has to most answer - "whatever"

Then when your concepts are challenged you come out with a one line such as "Basic competence wouldnt go amiss" as if that will make your point valid



And do you honestly think India, Aus & England will spend time and money playing 3 Test series against Afg, Ire or even Bangladesh?

Or do you think that scrapping the Ashes will help keep Test cricket alive?

Either way - in my first post in this thread I said that the Test championship concept needs refining - but that is not what this is about.

This is about BCCI saying:



In other words - the BCCI will put pointless road blocks in way of the Test Championship just to make ICC's life difficult and show the ICC how much "strength" the BCCI have. The above statement makes it sound like if Afg & Ire were made into Test teams the BCCI would not have made this stance which is complete bogus.

Ofcourse everyone will look out for what is best for themselves first then what is best for the greater good. But please don't make it sound like BCCI are taking this stance because they are doing what is best for the Indian fans or the what is best for the smaller teams, when it is obvious (and people like CJ and the BCCI have already accepted) that BCCI are just showing the ICC that they are not "weak", and will not be pushed over.

The BCCI cannot do anything alone. They have to have others siding with them. These enablers have to be called out too for being part of the road block.

 

[USofA]

Sure - I agree with the basic premise - but what do you suggest?

The BCCI should stop reporting/contributing to the ICC, yet should continue to feature in ICC events?

Or that all the other members should refuse to take a cut of the ICC's revenues?

Or that the ICC should become a 'charitable body' that solely organises events free of charge and doesn't take or give any money to the member boards?

I am not sure what the solution is. More importantly neither do the powers that be. And they are the ones running things.

 

[TalhaSyed]

The BCCI cannot do anything alone. They have to have others siding with them. These enablers have to be called out too for being part of the road block.

Your stuck on the same point & re-iterating it over and over again.

I've told you twice & I'm telling you for a third time:

"if the BCCI (or any board for that matter) is putting obstacles in the way of something like a Test championship which is essential to keep Test cricket relevant, then the BCCI (or whichever board it may be) have every right to share the blame for Test cricket failing"

This thread is about the BCCI's stance, so therefore my posts are talking about the BCCI and not going off topic.

If another thread pops up where CA, CSA, PCB, ECB or anyone else is causing obstruction to the Test championship for illogical and petty reasons (e.g. "we are not a 'weak' board" or "we are doing this to make BCCI happy") then the same applies to them.

But THIS thread is about BCCI's stance on the Test championship.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I am not sure what the solution is. More importantly neither do the powers that be. And they are the ones running things.

That's the thing - it's very easy to point out problems. Not as easy to point out solutions.

 

[USofA]

Your stuck on the same point & re-iterating it over and over again.

I've told you twice & I'm telling you for a third time:



This thread is about the BCCI's stance, so therefore my posts are talking about the BCCI and not going off topic.

If another thread pops up where CA, CSA, PCB, ECB or anyone else is causing obstruction to the Test championship for illogical and petty reasons (e.g. "we are not a 'weak' board" or "we are doing this to make BCCI happy") then the same applies to them.

But THIS thread is about BCCI's stance on the Test championship.

I do understand your point. But my point is there are no threads popping up blaming SLC, Zim, BCB, WI for putting up road blocks (and they are). Only the BCCI is blamed. Which is why I am just adding them to the BCCI.

 

[USofA]

That's the thing - it's very easy to point out problems. Not as easy to point out solutions.

I am sure a solution can be easily found. The people getting paid to find the solution should get off their rear end and put the their thinking caps on and get to work.

 

[BeautifulGame]

I like how you can say stuff like "If every other other board were as competent and looked after its players like BCCI, cricket would have been far better off." thats ok, but if someone says "if all the boards acted like the BCCI I think international cricket would be dead and dusted." your response is the same response a teenage girl has to most answer - "whatever"

I said that because it made zero sense..Dont get touchy.Test championship isnt the be and all of Internationa cricket.BCCI practically plays more tests away than any country apart from England.Just making up stuff makes zero sense.

Then when your concepts are challenged you come out with a one line such as "Basic competence wouldnt go amiss" as if that will make your point valid

Yes it does.

And do you honestly think India, Aus & England will spend time and money playing 3 Test series against Afg, Ire or even Bangladesh?

So smaller boards should just lie down and take it for greater good lol

Or do you think that scrapping the Ashes will help keep Test cricket alive?

Who wants to scrap Ashes? Stop imagining what I might have said.

Either way - in my first post in this thread I said that the Test championship concept needs refining - but that is not what this is about.

This is about BCCI saying:



In other words - the BCCI will put pointless road blocks in way of the Test Championship just to make ICC's life difficult and show the ICC how much "strength" the BCCI have. The above statement makes it sound like if Afg & Ire were made into Test teams the BCCI would not have made this stance which is complete bogus.

Ofcourse everyone will look out for what is best for themselves first then what is best for the greater good. But please don't make it sound like BCCI are taking this stance because they are doing what is best for the Indian fans or the what is best for the smaller teams, when it is obvious (and people like CJ and the BCCI have already accepted) that BCCI are just showing the ICC that they are not "weak", and will not be pushed over.

Yeah some no named insider quote to Toi of all papers is highly reliable lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141580]USofA[/MENTION]

Let me talk about a hypothetical question.

The Tv rights are the biggest revenue earners for the ICC.Let ICC give away each test nation the power to sell those rights in their own territory and then split it with ICC on a 50-50 basis.The 50% that ICC gets should only be used for associate nations and prize money purposes.

The boards be also allowed to find X number sponsors for ICC events.The board that brings a particular sponsor keeps 30% of the sponsorship amount rest to be distributed among all the members after ICC expenses are taken care of.

This way the associates get their money.No board can complain we got less he got more.And you get some amount from ICC as well.

Fair game?

 

[USofA]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141580]USofA[/MENTION]

Let me talk about a hypothetical question.

The Tv rights are the biggest revenue earners for the ICC.Let ICC give away each test nation the power to sell those rights in their own territory and then split it with ICC on a 50-50 basis.The 50% that ICC gets should only be used for associate nations and prize money purposes.

The boards be also allowed to find X number sponsors for ICC events.The board that brings a particular sponsor keeps 30% of the sponsorship amount rest to be distributed among all the members after ICC expenses are taken care of.

This way the associates get their money.No board can complain we got less he got more.And you get some amount from ICC as well.

Fair game?

That's a new way of going about things. It should be given a shot. I think it's fair game.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I said that because it made zero sense..Dont get touchy.Test championship isnt the be and all of Internationa cricket.BCCI practically plays more tests away than any country apart from England.Just making up stuff makes zero sense.

My claim makes just as much sense as your claim.

What on earth does the number of Test matches India play have to do with how BCCI looks after their players?

Posting random stats which add nothing of value to the conversation.

Yes it does.

Grow up and smell the coffee mate. Despite what you were told when you were a kid - you aren't always right & can't always get your way. Someone should tell the BCCI that too.

So smaller boards should just lie down and take it for greater good lol

Who wants the smaller boards to lie down and take it for the greater good> Stop imagining what I m

Who wants to scrap Ashes? Stop imagining what I might have said.

Oh sorry - you were praising the fact that ICC reduced the mandatory no of tests in a tour to just single test and introduced relegation but kept allowed the likes of Engand Australia (and India) to keep their marquee series without any problem. Weren't you?

Yeah some no named insider quote to Toi of all papers is highly reliable lol

Oh ok - so now your just saying that the whole thing is a lie and unreliable

Stupidity of the highest order.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I do understand your point. But my point is there are no threads popping up blaming SLC, Zim, BCB, WI for putting up road blocks (and they are). Only the BCCI is blamed. Which is why I am just adding them to the BCCI.

And was it a BCCI fan or someone who is against the BCCI who made this thread?

If members of other boards are making statements against starting a Test Championship please do post about them on the forum

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]
[MENTION=141580]USofA[/MENTION]

Let me talk about a hypothetical question.

The Tv rights are the biggest revenue earners for the ICC.Let ICC give away each test nation the power to sell those rights in their own territory and then split it with ICC on a 50-50 basis.The 50% that ICC gets should only be used for associate nations and prize money purposes.

The boards be also allowed to find X number sponsors for ICC events.The board that brings a particular sponsor keeps 30% of the sponsorship amount rest to be distributed among all the members after ICC expenses are taken care of.

This way the associates get their money.No board can complain we got less he got more.And you get some amount from ICC as well.

Fair game?

In theory - on paper - yes I would say that is fair game.

I am slightly vary though, since this may be the first time I'm agreeing with you on anything haha

So basically all the full members get back from the ICC is 30% of the sponsorship deals which they bring forward for the ICC events? If so - it may sound like a decent deal for most full members, however, I think BCB, SLC and WICB will suffer big time.

 

[the Great Khan]

well in a way I blame the ICC. There is only one country that can truly stand up to India and that is Pakistan. So a weak Pakistan and a strong India is a disaster for the world game. A strong Pakistan can both act as an arbiter or a king maker when required as it has done in the past. It has a strong viewer base that has the potential to grow further, a emerging economy and a desire to continue to play the game. Yes its true we dont have a billion people but 200 million is still bigger than all the other countries. Pakistan has the legacy and historical weight within the ICC to combat the BCCi if it is strong. A weak Pakistan will eventually elad to a strong unfettered India.

I blame Musharref and Naseem ashraf. They way they sold us down the river to the BCCI's interests and the way the BCCI outmanoeuvred these two fools was a classic move.

If the ICC wants to save world cricket then help Pakistan or watch cricket become an Indian domestic game.

 

[dildildalwalla]

Obviously we hate competition these days. Just make three indian teams, call them big 3, say goodbye to ICC and its poor member boards. We have the best league in the world. We do not need this world test championship.

lol sport on

What is bcci's proposal?

BCCI counter point: "Give us all the money!"

 

[dildildalwalla]

On a more serious note, I'm not a big fan of the propsed 9-3 structure but test cricket needs a championship and a complete overhaul of the nonsense points system in place to create these so called rankings.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Its your POV.

You say that the ICC "thought BCCI was weak so lets rail road them" [Post #5 in this thread]

I say ICC told the BCCI that they cant go about doing whatever they want, whenever they want, so the BCCI threw their toys out the pram and had a good old tantrum.

It's very clear. The motive behind the OP is to show ICC that BCCI is not weak and it can say no to World Test Championship.

I am sure few decades ago ICC also helped india too in growing cricket. Now that we have become rich and powerful lets show our masters their real place. It's a perfectly desi thing to do. Bite the hand that feeds you and blackmail your masters. We are bigger than ICC and cricket these days.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In theory - on paper - yes I would say that is fair game.

I am slightly vary though, since this may be the first time I'm agreeing with you on anything haha

So basically all the full members get back from the ICC is 30% of the sponsorship deals which they bring forward for the ICC events? If so - it may sound like a decent deal for most full members, however, I think BCB, SLC and WICB will suffer big time.

I know we are busy flexing our muscles off the field. Hopefully we do it on the field against australia because the current series have been really disappointing as an indian fan. And according to some overconfident fans we were supposed to whitewash australia.

 

[TalhaSyed]

It's very clear. The motive behind the OP is to show ICC that BCCI is not weak and it can say no to World Test Championship.

I am sure few decades ago ICC also helped india too in growing cricket. Now that we have become rich and powerful lets show our masters their real place. It's a perfectly desi thing to do. Bite the hand that feeds you and blackmail your masters. We are bigger than ICC and cricket these days.

Yup absolutely!

It's a shame really.

 

[TalhaSyed]

I know we are busy flexing our muscles off the field. Hopefully we do it on the field against australia because the current series have been really disappointing as an indian fan. And according to some overconfident fans we were supposed to whitewash australia.

Yea to be honest I didn't expect Australia to do as well as they have done/are doing in India. I thought things for India would be a lot easier. Guess that's the beauty of Test cricket.

On a superset not - what do you think about (in general) how the ICcurrenyly works and their stance on key issues such as associate members, Test championship, distribution of profits etc.? Do you think BCCI have a right to be annoyed because they give a lot more then they get, or do you think the ICC is trying to do what is best for world cricket, or - just in general - what is your POV on the whole existing set up? I'm just curious to find out

 

[cricketjoshila]

In theory - on paper - yes I would say that is fair game.

I am slightly vary though, since this may be the first time I'm agreeing with you on anything haha

So basically all the full members get back from the ICC is 30% of the sponsorship deals which they bring forward for the ICC events? If so - it may sound like a decent deal for most full members, however, I think BCB, SLC and WICB will suffer big time.

Let me explain it a bit more.

In addition to the sponsorship deals,each full member board will also be given the right to sell the broadcast rights of their country.What ever amount they generate is split 50-50 with ICC.ICC also gets to sell the rights of rest of the world.

So ICC now has 3 revenues.

1.50% of the broadcast rights of the full members:Money to be totally used for associates and spreading the game and for prize money etc.No full member gets anything.

2.70% of the sponsorship money and the money from rest of the world Tv rights sale.To be used for ICC expenses and the rest is distributed among the full members equally.

This should be a fair distribution.Still think BCB/WICB/SLCB will suffer?

 

[TalhaSyed]

Let me explain it a bit more.

In addition to the sponsorship deals,each full member board will also be given the right to sell the broadcast rights of their country.What ever amount they generate is split 50-50 with ICC.ICC also gets to sell the rights of rest of the world.

So ICC now has 3 revenues.

1.50% of the broadcast rights of the full members:Money to be totally used for associates and spreading the game and for prize money etc.No full member gets anything.

2.70% of the sponsorship money and the money from rest of the world Tv rights sale.To be used for ICC expenses and the rest is distributed among the full members equally.

This should be a fair distribution.Still think BCB/WICB/SLCB will suffer?

So if the scenario is "The full me ever boards get back 30% of the sponsorship deals which they bring forward" - as I thing is highlighted in point 2 of your post - then yea I think BCB, SLC and WICB may struggle.

50% of The money which ICC makes from broadcast rights goes to the associate which is great and sounds good.

50% of the money from broadcast rights will be kept by the board - which for smaller boards won't be a lot

70% of the The money which ICC makes from sponsors goes to to ICC expenses

30% of the the money ICC makes from sponsors goes back to the members, but only if the member board has helped recruit the sponsor, so therefore again the smaller boards will suffer

 

[Adil_94]

The headline just made me a picture an Indian official behind the computer saying BCCI says no akin to the Little Britain sketches.

 

[in_cutter]

BCCI crying again? Nothing to see here then folks.

 

[USofA]

Let me explain it a bit more.

In addition to the sponsorship deals,each full member board will also be given the right to sell the broadcast rights of their country.What ever amount they generate is split 50-50 with ICC.ICC also gets to sell the rights of rest of the world.

So ICC now has 3 revenues.

1.50% of the broadcast rights of the full members:Money to be totally used for associates and spreading the game and for prize money etc.No full member gets anything.

2.70% of the sponsorship money and the money from rest of the world Tv rights sale.To be used for ICC expenses and the rest is distributed among the full members equally.

This should be a fair distribution.Still think BCB/WICB/SLCB will suffer?

I think this will be a very good and fair setup. It encourages everyone to work hard for the revenue. It puts responsibilities on everyone. No one will sit around extending their hand for handouts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if the scenario is "The full me ever boards get back 30% of the sponsorship deals which they bring forward" - as I thing is highlighted in point 2 of your post - then yea I think BCB, SLC and WICB may struggle.

50% of The money which ICC makes from broadcast rights goes to the associate which is great and sounds good.

50% of the money from broadcast rights will be kept by the board - which for smaller boards won't be a lot

70% of the The money which ICC makes from sponsors goes to to ICC expenses

30% of the the money ICC makes from sponsors goes back to the members, but only if the member board has helped recruit the sponsor, so therefore again the smaller boards will suffer

You forget that the surplus from sponsor amount after ICC expenses and the money from the telecast rights to rest of the world will be distributed to the members.

Also other than the member sponsors,ICC can bring in their own sponsors and that again goes into the surplus pool and will be distributed.

You cannot expect ICC to spoon feed national boards.People will have to pull up their socks.

This will stop a board like WICB to throw out its star players because those star players dont agree with the dictatorial ways of WICB.

 

[TalhaSyed]

You forget that the surplus from sponsor amount after ICC expenses and the money from the telecast rights to rest of the world will be distributed to the members.

Also other than the member sponsors,ICC can bring in their own sponsors and that again goes into the surplus pool and will be distributed.

You cannot expect ICC to spoon feed national boards.People will have to pull up their socks.

This will stop a board like WICB to throw out its star players because those star players dont agree with the dictatorial ways of WICB.

Ok so to summarise:

> 50% of The money from broadcast rights goes to the associates (via the ICC)

> 50% of the money from broadcast rights will be kept by the board for each respective region. The boards are also responsible for selling the rights in their respective regions.

> 70% of the The money which ICC makes from sponsors goes to to ICC expenses. ICC can also get their own sponsors. Any left over money here - after all the ICC expenses - also gets distributed amongst member boards

> 30% of the the money ICC makes from sponsors goes back to the members, but only if the member board has helped recruit the sponsor

Is that right?

 

[cricketindiafan]

It's very clear. The motive behind the OP is to show ICC that BCCI is not weak and it can say no to World Test Championship.

I am sure few decades ago ICC also helped india too in growing cricket. Now that we have become rich and powerful lets show our masters their real place. It's a perfectly desi thing to do. Bite the hand that feeds you and blackmail your masters. We are bigger than ICC and cricket these days.

Amusing, don't you think what you wrote is the typical desi thing as well "bow before the 'gorra saahibs' writ"?

On topic, ICC was never a fair democratic body (nor is any other sports body in the world). Powerful members have always shown their whims be it Australia, England earlier or India now. ICC under Manohar tried to take advantage of BCCI's court struggles and don't they anticipated such a swift response from the Court appointed Administrators. I could be wrong but ICC thinking was none of these administrators will turn out to be bullies like the eaier BCCI bosses. Obviously they have been caught with surp.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ok so to summarise:

> 50% of The money from broadcast rights goes to the associates (via the ICC)

> 50% of the money from broadcast rights will be kept by the board for each respective region. The boards are also responsible for selling the rights in their respective regions.

> 70% of the The money which ICC makes from sponsors goes to to ICC expenses. ICC can also get their own sponsors. Any left over money here - after all the ICC expenses - also gets distributed amongst member boards

> 30% of the the money ICC makes from sponsors goes back to the members, but only if the member board has helped recruit the sponsor

Is that right?

Plus the money from Rest of the world TV rights,except the 10 full nations and the digital rights and any other sponsors ICC themselves recruits.All this will be distributed among members.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Plus the money from Rest of the world TV rights,except the 10 full nations and the digital rights and any other sponsors ICC themselves recruits.All this will be distributed among members.

Hmm Interesting.

Yea - in theory that could work and will be fair way of ensuring everyone has to pull their own weight. Thre will be a couple of kinks to work out but on the surface seems like a viable option.

It will, however, in the end keep the rich rich and keep the poor poor. The likes of BCCI, ECB, CA - and even to a lesser yet certain extent CSA & PCB - will continue to attract bigger sponsorship deals and get more for their TV rights. they will therefore get more back from the ICC.

On the other hand smaller full member boards like WICB, CSL & BCB will obviously not be able to attract as incentive sponsorship and TV deals, so will therefore get less from the ICC.

Associates will , however, in theory benefit from this deal I think - however I haven't done the calcs to prove this

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Amusing, don't you think what you wrote is the typical desi thing as well "bow before the 'gorra saahibs' writ"?

On topic, ICC was never a fair democratic body (nor is any other sports body in the world). Powerful members have always shown their whims be it Australia, England earlier or India now. ICC under Manohar tried to take advantage of BCCI's court struggles and don't they anticipated such a swift response from the Court appointed Administrators. I could be wrong but ICC thinking was none of these administrators will turn out to be bullies like the eaier BCCI bosses. Obviously they have been caught with surp.

Yet you want these same ***** in IPL to make it exciting and go crazy whenever they say something positive about india or indian culture.