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Ben Stokes on WC19 game vs India: Kohli "whingeing", no intent from MS Dhoni

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England all-rounder Ben Stokes was baffled by India’s run-chasing strategy during their World Cup game last year in which he found Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma’s approach “mystifying” and saw “no intent” from Mahendra Singh Dhoni during the run chase.

In fact, Stokes called Indian skipper Kohli’s complaints about the “59 metre” boundary on one side “whingeing“.

It was the game at Birmingham, where India was comprehensively beaten by 31 runs failing to chase England’s massive score of 337 for 7 last year.

In his new book ‘On Fire’ published by Headline Books and distributed by Hachette India, Stokes analysed each of England’s games in the World Cup.

“Arguably, the way MS Dhoni played when he came in with 112 runs needed from 11 overs was even stranger. He appeared more intent on singles than sixes. Even with a dozen balls remaining, India could still have won.

”...there was little or no intent from him (Dhoni) or his partner Kedar Jadhav. To me, while victory is still possible you always go for broke,” Stokes wrote in his soon-to-be-published book.

He revealed that the England dressing room felt that Dhoni tried to take it deep so that the run-rate remained intact. Dhoni remained unbeaten on 42 off 31 balls but most of the runs came in the last over when the match as a contest was over.

“There is a theory in our camp that Dhoni’s way of playing has always been the same. Even if India can’t win the game, he takes it right to the end to try to make sure that India’s run rate stays relatively healthy,” Stokes wrote.

“His big thing has always been to give himself a chance of winning by being at the crease for the final over, but he generally likes to stick around to get as close to a target as possible even in a losing cause.”

In fact, England’s new ball bowlers Chris Wokes and Jofra Archer kept a tight leash on Rohit and Kohli as they consumed nearly 27 overs for their 138-run stand.

“The way Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli played was mystifying. I know that we bowled brilliantly well during this period, but the way they went about their batting just seemed bizarre.

“They allowed their team to get so far behind the game. They showed no desire to put any pressure back onto our team, content instead to just drift along, a tactic that was clearly playing into our hands.”

Stokes also wrote that Kohli’s explanation about short boundaries sounded a “bit weird” to him.

“Yet it was weird to hear India captain Kohli whingeing about the size of the boundaries at the post- match presentation ceremony.

“I have never heard such a bizarre complaint after a match. It’s actually the worst complaint you could ever make.

“Both teams have to bat out there, and get the same number of balls, so how can the playing area’s dimensions be an advantage to one team or the other?,” he further wrote.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...vs-england-world-cup-2019/article31679505.ece
 
Not claiming that a genuine effort would have helped beat England that day but having seen so much cricket over the years it was blatantly obvious that India stepped in tk that match with a careless attitude, probably knowing a defeat would help knock Pakistan out.
 
Indians showed extremely chota and unsporting behavior with how they went about that England game especially the batting in the last 10-15 overs of the second innings. Karma bit them back in the semi finals immediately.
 
The first 10 overs of Indian batting was the most worst cricket I have seen. It was blatant underperforming
 
Indian cricket team led by Virat Kohli, Ravi Shastri and their senior player, Mahendra Singh Dhoni have harnessed their legacy by deliberate and shameful attitude towards the game in two of the biggest matches(this one vs England) and the other one in semi final vs the Kane Williamson- led inspirational New Zealand team.

They will never ever be able to attain the stature of Stokes, Morgan and Williamson in international cricket known for gentleman's game.
 
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Indian cricket team led by Virat Kohli, Ravi Shastri and their senior player, Mahendra Singh Dhoni have harnessed their legacy by deliberate and shameful attitude towards the game in two of the biggest matches(this one vs England) and the other one in semi final vs the Kane Williamson- led inspirational New Zealand team.

They will never ever be able to attain the stature of Stokes, Morgan and Williamson in international cricket known for gentleman's game.

They wanted to make sure Pakistan was out - and they knew they had their place booked - so did what they had to do.
 
They wanted to make sure Pakistan was out - and they knew they had their place booked - so did what they had to do.

Indeed, it was deliberate and blatant cheating by Kohli-Shastri led team. Good they suffered the fate against the team whom they were trying to hold a place for :kw
 
God it would have been one of the matches of the tournament had India chased this score down. specially with the form certain players were in. But I guess the "ambition" wasn't there. :jk
 
Utter nonsense, rohit and kohli are known for approaching a target slowly initially and then going gung-ho in the later part.
Yes, Ms Dhoni's innings had no intent but when was the last time he showed intent(minus ipl :inti).
Ms dhonis innings in the semi final was even more weird but no one is questioning it here.

Secondly, does no one here think that it could have been hard for kohli and rohit to get going bcoz of archer and company.
 
About the boundaries, even some commentators were talking about the same and even on pp posters were talking about it.
It was blatantly visible that the boundaries were made short to favour the poms.
 
Indeed, it was deliberate and blatant cheating by Kohli-Shastri led team. Good they suffered the fate against the team whom they were trying to hold a place for :kw
First of all you can't be sure about it, secondly even if they did that its not cheating.
 
About the boundaries, even some commentators were talking about the same and even on pp posters were talking about it.
It was blatantly visible that the boundaries were made short to favour the poms.

The boundaries weren't made short at all. 3 pitches were prepared for the 5 games at Edgbaston. The central most one was logically reserved exclusively for the semi final. The other 2 (which had 1 pitch separation from the central wicket) had 2 group games each with the boundaries as far out as possible within the regulations.
 
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The boundaries weren't made short at all. 3 pitches were prepared for the 5 games at Edgbaston. The central most one was logically reserved exclusively for the semi final. The other 2 (which had 1 pitch separation from the central wicket) had 2 group games each with the boundaries as far out as possible within the regulations.
The shorter boundary was just under the limitation of shortest boundary allowed in tournament.
Agree with everything you said but you missed a point, things don't just fall into place without proper planning. It was a really well planned effort to counter indian spinners.
 
The shorter boundary was just under the limitation of shortest boundary allowed in tournament.
Agree with everything you said but you missed a point, things don't just fall into place without proper planning. It was a really well planned effort to counter indian spinners.

No it wasn't, Edgbaston doesn't have any limitations on international boundary sizes because it was built before the regulations came in and is therefore grandfathered in. The boundary was as large as could possibly be for the wicket chosen.

The only choice (which was the ICCs) on which wicket to use was whether to use the central pitch or one of the 2 pitches 1 wicket away. The logical choice was to save the central one for the semi final.
 
Those weird boundaries did negate our spinners, never seen such odd boundary dimensions. That it came in a must win match for the hosts does raise a few questions. Nothing suspicious about India's chase, after Dhawan's departure from the squad our confidence was lost and top 3 became more circumspect. Eng bowled well, Dhoni did his usual thing, only those who haven't followed his batting for the last 5 years will find something amiss, why don't people question his SF knock? Even Jadhav was useless and his decline showed in subsequent matches, now both their careers are done. Wish we had Iyer in the world cup.
 
Don' think India wanted to lose on purpose.

But it was clear they had given up going into the last 10 overs.
 
I dont think India wanted to lose on purpose but Dhoni's innings is one of the most bizarre innings I have ever seen in a World Cup match.

However, generally I would say Dhoni's chasing skills and calculations are a bit overrated in world cricket.

Post 2014-15, the one day game change immensely but his strategy did not change at all.

He is always trying to take the game to the end which would work with the totals in the pre-2015 era and India's batting depth in those days but that strategy seemed very outadated in the 2015 WC.

In the NZ semi final it seemed Dhoni was trying to chase it down but was just limited by his skillset at that point and age. Only Jadeja's unexpected and ATG innings made it a match at the end. However in the England match it seemed he had given up several overs before and all Dhoni wanted was to remain not out and maintain a respectable net run rate.
 
I dont think India wanted to lose on purpose but Dhoni's innings is one of the most bizarre innings I have ever seen in a World Cup match.

However, generally I would say Dhoni's chasing skills and calculations are a bit overrated in world cricket.

Post 2014-15, the one day game change immensely but his strategy did not change at all.

He is always trying to take the game to the end which would work with the totals in the pre-2015 era and India's batting depth in those days but that strategy seemed very outadated in the 2015 WC.

In the NZ semi final it seemed Dhoni was trying to chase it down but was just limited by his skillset at that point and age. Only Jadeja's unexpected and ATG innings made it a match at the end. However in the England match it seemed he had given up several overs before and all Dhoni wanted was to remain not out and maintain a respectable net run rate.

*2019
 
Utter nonsense, rohit and kohli are known for approaching a target slowly initially and then going gung-ho in the later part.
Yes, Ms Dhoni's innings had no intent but when was the last time he showed intent(minus ipl :inti).
Ms dhonis innings in the semi final was even more weird but no one is questioning it here.

Secondly, does no one here think that it could have been hard for kohli and rohit to get going bcoz of archer and company.

So looked at the numbers

When Kohli and Sharma got out required RR was already 10 per over with 15 overs to go and had kept climbing up and up however the two had progressed very calmly as if they were on top of it lol

Pant and Pandya played quickly and with intent at 10 runs per over and so had maintained the RRR at 10 by the time Dhoni came with with 10-11 overs to go.

And then Dhoni played like it was practice match :)))

Within 5 overs it had climbed to 15+ per over lmao as he played at SR of under 90 :))

There just was no intent whatsover. It was so bizarre. Either hit out or get out in the process. Like you have 8 overs left and 10+ runs an over you are already at the end of the match.
 
I remember thing Dhoni’s innings was very strange.
 
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Utter nonsense, rohit and kohli are known for approaching a target slowly initially and then going gung-ho in the later part.
Yes, Ms Dhoni's innings had no intent but when was the last time he showed intent(minus ipl :inti).
Ms dhonis innings in the semi final was even more weird but no one is questioning it here.

Secondly, does no one here think that it could have been hard for kohli and rohit to get going bcoz of archer and company.

ANGER
About the boundaries, even some commentators were talking about the same and even on pp posters were talking about it.
It was blatantly visible that the boundaries were made short to favour the poms.

ACCEPTANCE
First of all you can't be sure about it, secondly even if they did that its not cheating.
 
“There is a theory in our camp that Dhoni’s way of playing has always been the same. Even if India can’t win the game, he takes it right to the end to try to make sure that India’s run rate stays relatively healthy,” Stokes wrote.

“His big thing has always been to give himself a chance of winning by being at the crease for the final over, but he generally likes to stick around to get as close to a target as possible even in a losing cause.”

Something I am saying here for years. Dhoni doesn't always play for wins. Nice to know that other players also know that and feel the same about MS.
So much overrated for his useless stats.
 
Indians showed extremely chota and unsporting behavior with how they went about that England game especially the batting in the last 10-15 overs of the second innings. Karma bit them back in the semi finals immediately.

actually England would have been finished if bairstow was given out earlier. He was clearly out. They don't review. I agree india under performed though.

Such and overrated team, England I.e. They had to literally rig the boundaries to offset the spinners that troubled them in the past.

2019 will be their last ever world cup triumph anyway.
 
actually England would have been finished if bairstow was given out earlier. He was clearly out. They don't review. I agree india under performed though.

Such and overrated team, England I.e. They had to literally rig the boundaries to offset the spinners that troubled them in the past.

2019 will be their last ever world cup triumph anyway.

It's amazing how you've managed to get a completely non-sensical boundary length conspiracy theory, made up non-review of Bairstow and so much bitterness into such a short post.
 
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Seeing that kind of a performance from a team as good as India wasn't just disappointing but more than anything, it made me lose respect for India as a cricketing side. The India-England game was probably the most anticipated game of the tournament but what fans got was an utter farce and a total disappointment of a match.

While it is also fairly obvious that India wanted to send Pakistan out, I don't think Pakistan should blame India or Dhoni because if you have left your fate up to another team you yourself are to blame in the first place. And Pakistan pretty much punched their ticket when they humiliated themselves against the Windies in their very first match.
 
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i don't get the whinging of Pakistani fans. India and Pakistan are Arch Enemies and would find any reason to put down each other at any stage. I mean even an U-11 match in any sport will be scrutinized.
Why Pakistani fans had expectation that Indian team will help them qualify?? its beyond stupidity to think so.
 
Just imagine the scenario in Indian and Pakistani Newspapers and media had India beaten England and helped Pak reach semi-finals

The political situation at that time was more to do with India making sure Pak was thrown out of the WC by India that is quite clearly understood.
 
i don't get the whinging of Pakistani fans. India and Pakistan are Arch Enemies and would find any reason to put down each other at any stage. I mean even an U-11 match in any sport will be scrutinized.
Why Pakistani fans had expectation that Indian team will help them qualify?? its beyond stupidity to think so.


There was no expectation that they would help us qualify. However many of us probably weren't expecting them to lose intentionally just to see us eliminated.
 
I don't think India were trying. Won't throw the game on purpose, but won't go full effort to get the win. Dhoni probably thought was a good time to get some practice in instead.

Pakistan did the same in the game in CT 2009 vs Australia to deny India. They only really started trying at the end when it was too late. So I don't think you'll get much sympathy from the Indian players, especially Dhoni who was captain at the time.

If Pakistan somehow won the world cup because they qualified off the back of India winning against England, the Indian media would have a meltdown. And this wasn't as far-fetched given that Pakistan had beaten England before, and won the CT tournament before in England.

It's extremely hard to feel guilty I imagine when Pakistan have done the same to you, and might again in the same position. Personally I'm not that upset, these things happen. I'm pretty sure we would have qualified for the semi finals if Sri Lanka's match wasn't washed out. Just wasn't meant to be.
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.

Besides, there is no reason to believe that they underperformed from a cricketing perspective. Sometimes, it is just good cricket by the opposition. Let’s not forget that England is the only team at the moment that can beat India to a pulp in ODI cricket even if India performs to its max capacity.

With KL Rahul registering a 9 ball duck, it was understandable to see Rohit and Kohli play cautiously in the first 10 overs because another wicket at that point would have been curtains for India. They limped to 40 in 13 overs but added the next 100 runs in about 14 overs.

146/1 in 28 overs was a perfectly reasonable position to be in - they were set for a big finish and would probably have won the match had England not dismissed Kohli in the 29th over. Plunkett and Archer bowled beautifully on the day.

As far as Dhoni’s so-called lack of intent is concerned, again - we need to understand that this is how Dhoni has played over the last 5 years. He no longer has the ability to be destructive from ball one. That is why India have tried to accommodate him at number 4 where he can afford to take his time.

It was a typical post 2015 Dhoni innings. Pakistani fans just want to feel important by deluding themselves that Dhoni somehow deliberately played in that fashion in order to lose the match so that our 8th ranked Shaheens do not qualify for the semifinals. If 2009 version of Dhoni had played like that, people would have had a point.

Anyway, even if there is a shred of truth to the notion that India deliberately lost the match to dump Pakistan out, I say well done. We have absolutely no right to criticize them after what we did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy. That was far, far worse than what we think India tried to do against England in the 2019 World Cup.
 
Right, I remember a lot of speculation and noise around that Pak-Aus match in 2009 Champions Trophy, how Pakistan deliberately threw the match to oust India. Indian fans did the blame game there, now many Pakistanis choose to ignore reality (Indian spinners' underperformance, cost of Dhawan's exit, lack of flow in Kohli's batting, Dhoni's decline since 2015) to try and find some deeper conspiracy. I don't think there was any foul play in both those matches, both Pak and Ind lost to eventual winners, maybe motivation wouldn't have been a big factor, maybe players were trying not to get injured, conserve injury, but not right to say that they did it deliberately to knock out their rivals. That Pak side was led by YK, this side by Kohli, both champs, whatever their faults might be I don't see them as guys who would tolerate deliberate underperformance.
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.
Pak is THE MOST EXCITING team in world cricket without a doubt may not be the best I agree but cricket especially ICC tournaments are boring without Pak tbh

2015 made it exciting, 2019 almost won and with that peak and momentum (we beat both of the finalists) I am sure we would have been the champions 100%, we always have that killer instinct in final stages extremely hard to beat us when we are there and 2019 is massively underrated imo for PAK

You are massively underestimating PAK in knockout situations especially with that sort of momentum
 
Right, I remember a lot of speculation and noise around that Pak-Aus match in 2009 Champions Trophy, how Pakistan deliberately threw the match to oust India. Indian fans did the blame game there, now many Pakistanis choose to ignore reality (Indian spinners' underperformance, cost of Dhawan's exit, lack of flow in Kohli's batting, Dhoni's decline since 2015) to try and find some deeper conspiracy. I don't think there was any foul play in both those matches, both Pak and Ind lost to eventual winners, maybe motivation wouldn't have been a big factor, maybe players were trying not to get injured, conserve injury, but not right to say that they did it deliberately to knock out their rivals. That Pak side was led by YK, this side by Kohli, both champs, whatever their faults might be I don't see them as guys who would tolerate deliberate underperformance.
PAK team was suffering from rebellion in 2009 so YK wasn't in control like that and knowing the cheap sort of cricketers in late 2000s I won't be surprised tbj
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.

Besides, there is no reason to believe that they underperformed from a cricketing perspective. Sometimes, it is just good cricket by the opposition. Let’s not forget that England is the only team at the moment that can beat India to a pulp in ODI cricket even if India performs to its max capacity.

With KL Rahul registering a 9 ball duck, it was understandable to see Rohit and Kohli play cautiously in the first 10 overs because another wicket at that point would have been curtains for India. They limped to 40 in 13 overs but added the next 100 runs in about 14 overs.

146/1 in 28 overs was a perfectly reasonable position to be in - they were set for a big finish and would probably have won the match had England not dismissed Kohli in the 29th over. Plunkett and Archer bowled beautifully on the day.

As far as Dhoni’s so-called lack of intent is concerned, again - we need to understand that this is how Dhoni has played over the last 5 years. He no longer has the ability to be destructive from ball one. That is why India have tried to accommodate him at number 4 where he can afford to take his time.

It was a typical post 2015 Dhoni innings. Pakistani fans just want to feel important by deluding themselves that Dhoni somehow deliberately played in that fashion in order to lose the match so that our 8th ranked Shaheens do not qualify for the semifinals. If 2009 version of Dhoni had played like that, people would have had a point.

Anyway, even if there is a shred of truth to the notion that India deliberately lost the match to dump Pakistan out, I say well done. We have absolutely no right to criticize them after what we did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy. That was far, far worse than what we think India tried to do against England in the 2019 World Cup.

Welcome back from the sabbatical :)
 
Stokes just needs to watch dhoni bat in the last 4-5 years. That was a typical Dhoni innings.. Nothing fishy about it, the guy was just past it
 
It's amazing how you've managed to get a completely non-sensical boundary length conspiracy theory, made up non-review of Bairstow and so much bitterness into such a short post.

leg side boundary was 65 freaking metres long to aid the two hacks called bairstow and roy. roy was out actually not bairstow and had roy fallen early, the scoreline would have been a lot different. India dint review. Anyway they can have their fluke trophy. Will be their last.
 
People would have been questioning Stokes and whether he left it too late had England not got over the line in the final with the help of a freak incident.

Left needing 15 from 4 balls.

Stokes got 18 from his first 38 balls. Misbah was 17 from 42 balls in Mohali trying to rebuild the innings when chasing a similar score to Stokes in the final on a similar slowish surface too.

Likewise Samuels in the WT20 final was MOM.
Had Brathwaite not hit thoses sixes, perhaps questions would have been raised about the pace of his innings.
He was on 50 from 47 balls after 14 overs leaving WI requiring 70 from the last 6 overs.

That is the charm of a finisher. They leave you wondering whether they are playing it about right or leaving it too late. They back themselves to build partnerships, absorb pressure, settle things down if wickets have fallen in quick succession, take the game deep and hold their nerve at the end. They carry a lot of self belief and calmness to just hang in there and stay out there without getting worried about the scoring rate or rate required.

But it can be such a fine line between getting it right and perhaps leaving too much to do at the end.
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.

Besides, there is no reason to believe that they underperformed from a cricketing perspective. Sometimes, it is just good cricket by the opposition. Let’s not forget that England is the only team at the moment that can beat India to a pulp in ODI cricket even if India performs to its max capacity.

With KL Rahul registering a 9 ball duck, it was understandable to see Rohit and Kohli play cautiously in the first 10 overs because another wicket at that point would have been curtains for India. They limped to 40 in 13 overs but added the next 100 runs in about 14 overs.

146/1 in 28 overs was a perfectly reasonable position to be in - they were set for a big finish and would probably have won the match had England not dismissed Kohli in the 29th over. Plunkett and Archer bowled beautifully on the day.

As far as Dhoni’s so-called lack of intent is concerned, again - we need to understand that this is how Dhoni has played over the last 5 years. He no longer has the ability to be destructive from ball one. That is why India have tried to accommodate him at number 4 where he can afford to take his time.

It was a typical post 2015 Dhoni innings. Pakistani fans just want to feel important by deluding themselves that Dhoni somehow deliberately played in that fashion in order to lose the match so that our 8th ranked Shaheens do not qualify for the semifinals. If 2009 version of Dhoni had played like that, people would have had a point.

Anyway, even if there is a shred of truth to the notion that India deliberately lost the match to dump Pakistan out, I say well done. We have absolutely no right to criticize them after what we did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy. That was far, far worse than what we think India tried to do against England in the 2019 World Cup.

beat to a pulp in England only*. Not in sub continent or australia or any non flat wickets.
 
leg side boundary was 65 freaking metres long to aid the two hacks called bairstow and roy. roy was out actually not bairstow and had roy fallen early, the scoreline would have been a lot different. India dint review. Anyway they can have their fluke trophy. Will be their last.

The boundary was as long as it could be for the wicket they were playing on. Was it not the same for the Indian 'hacks' like Rohit?
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.

Besides, there is no reason to believe that they underperformed from a cricketing perspective. Sometimes, it is just good cricket by the opposition. Let’s not forget that England is the only team at the moment that can beat India to a pulp in ODI cricket even if India performs to its max capacity.

With KL Rahul registering a 9 ball duck, it was understandable to see Rohit and Kohli play cautiously in the first 10 overs because another wicket at that point would have been curtains for India. They limped to 40 in 13 overs but added the next 100 runs in about 14 overs.

146/1 in 28 overs was a perfectly reasonable position to be in - they were set for a big finish and would probably have won the match had England not dismissed Kohli in the 29th over. Plunkett and Archer bowled beautifully on the day.

As far as Dhoni’s so-called lack of intent is concerned, again - we need to understand that this is how Dhoni has played over the last 5 years. He no longer has the ability to be destructive from ball one. That is why India have tried to accommodate him at number 4 where he can afford to take his time.

It was a typical post 2015 Dhoni innings. Pakistani fans just want to feel important by deluding themselves that Dhoni somehow deliberately played in that fashion in order to lose the match so that our 8th ranked Shaheens do not qualify for the semifinals. If 2009 version of Dhoni had played like that, people would have had a point.

Anyway, even if there is a shred of truth to the notion that India deliberately lost the match to dump Pakistan out, I say well done. We have absolutely no right to criticize them after what we did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy. That was far, far worse than what we think India tried to do against England in the 2019 World Cup.

I think you jus tneed to accept that your team threw that match to keep Pakistan out. Everyone knows it. And mr Indian army Dhoni was probably even more energised to do so..it was a pathetic display and it was great to see New Zealand knock these guys out. they've made a mockery of cricket for years.
 
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] added to that hilariously only 2 of England's 6s went over the shorter boundary (none over the shortest bit of it), one of which was a switch hit that cleared the rope by some distance and went into the stands.
 
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Also, Why was kohli whingeing about the boundaries before the match when all he wanted was to lose.?
 
Nah, I don't think India threw it away either.

They were equally exposed in SF against New Zealand.

Once Kohli/Sharma got out, it was game over for India. In a way very similar to CT final

 
The boundary was as long as it could be for the wicket they were playing on. Was it not the same for the Indian 'hacks' like Rohit?

no, the hacks from England who btw are the proper hacks as we have all seen their test batting skills rofl were aided by the short boundary to counter the spin threat. So what if it were the same wickets? All I am saying is they are basically pure flat track hacks. Any other type of pitch and those players would get found out.
 
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] added to that hilariously only 2 of England's 6s went over the shorter boundary (none over the shortest bit of it), one of which was a switch hit that cleared the rope by some distance and went into the stands.

the pitch was designed to counter the spin threat. That was th weirdest shaped boundary I have ever seen. I don't mind rigging pitches but rigging boundary lines?That's just sad and appalling to say the least.
 
no, the hacks from England who btw are the proper hacks as we have all seen their test batting skills rofl were aided by the short boundary to counter the spin threat. So what if it were the same wickets? All I am saying is they are basically pure flat track hacks. Any other type of pitch and those players would get found out.

You mean like the the fairly slow, low scoring pitch that they won the world cup final on?

the pitch was designed to counter the spin threat. That was th weirdest shaped boundary I have ever seen. I don't mind rigging pitches but rigging boundary lines?That's just sad and appalling to say the least.

It wasn't designed for anything, it was one of the central 5 wickets at Edgbaston with the strip picked by the ICC and the boundaries pushed out as far as they could go.

The weirdest shaped boundary you'd ever seen? It was fairly regularly oval shape with one side slightly longer than the other by virtue of the game not being on the perfectly central pitch. If that was the weirdest shaped boundary you'd seen then you can't have seen many of the other venues at the World Cup that have far stranger shapes...

Added to that as I've pointed out if it successfully countered Indians spin threat why did barely any of England's 6s go over the short boundary? You've just got to accept that England were/are the better team.
 
337 is a massive target for any surface and I believe that would have been a record chase in WC, if successful. It looks a bit shady because IND fell short by 31 and had 5 wickets at hand - had they been all-out for 306, I believe no one would have any issues. But, this is the way MSD plays and he had been winning many games like that - being in the middle and taking it to last ball. Pandeya's dismissal ended the little chance that IND had, MSD was just salvaging scraps. Actually, more than him Kedar Jadav wasted more ball in last 4-5 overs (12 of 13). Also, considering India's tail that day (Kuldeep, Shami, Chahal, Bumrah), I believe 5 down is almost like 9 down .... had one of MSD or Kedar got out by 47th over, IND could have been all-out by 50th!!!!!!

I am not sure about the criticism of Sharma-Kohli partnership either - they lost an early wicket and did started slowly (this is the only part I find interesting - India's first 10 overs was shambolic considering target of 337 and they gave Woakes like 3 maidens on an absolute belter in PP!!!!), but did recover on asking and at the point VK got out, IND actually was ahead on DWL (146/1 after 28'1 overs, which was 6 runs better than DWL per), and DWL is quite accurate in such predictions. Once I ran a stats on properly finished games (around 35, randomly picked - all ended in full distance without any interference), around 75% times, the sides ahead after 80 overs (30 overs on 2nd innings) by DWL methods, were the eventual winners.

I think, it all went wrong from a poor shot by VK - almost gave a catching practice by a slash, which is uncharacteristic for Kohli, particularly after scoring 66 and scoring cautiously. Then the final nail was Sharma - got out to a cross batted slog to a slower one, 1st ball on return of a new bowler. I knew then that IND will lose that game - MS just made sure that IND doesn't lose much ground on NRR. That was exactly what Williamson did against PAK other way (with ball) - prolonged an inevitable defeat. Kohli's comment on the ground shape is part of his persona - guy can't take defeat easily and almost like a street fighter, he'll throw a punch at every opportunity, without thinking much of it; it's like his second nature :( Edgbaston is there for almost 140 years now and hosting Tests for 120 years - the shape was similar always, and they extended the boundary to max.

I haven't read Stokes, but I guess guy is desperate for a bumper sale of his book :), trying to add spice in it.
 
You mean like the the fairly slow, low scoring pitch that they won the world cup final on?



It wasn't designed for anything, it was one of the central 5 wickets at Edgbaston with the strip picked by the ICC and the boundaries pushed out as far as they could go.

The weirdest shaped boundary you'd ever seen? It was fairly regularly oval shape with one side slightly longer than the other by virtue of the game not being on the perfectly central pitch. If that was the weirdest shaped boundary you'd seen then you can't have seen many of the other venues at the World Cup that have far stranger shapes...

Added to that as I've pointed out if it successfully countered Indians spin threat why did barely any of England's 6s go over the short boundary? You've just got to accept that England were/are the better team.

Slow pitch in the final? they actually won.the final? it was a joke. They never truly won* the final. They won via some rubbish rules about scoring more boundaries rofl.


btw regarding the boundary, here is the post about it;


England openers, Jonny Bairstow in particular took full advantage of the short 59-meter Edgbaston boundary to tackle the Indian wrist spinners Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav. Bairstow, who hit his first World Cup hundred smashed five - four of those off Chahal - of his six sixes towards that shorter boundary. Bairstow (111) put a blistering 160-run opening stand with Jason Roy(66), which always kept England ahead of the game.


so yes boundaries were rigged. It was bizarre and english hacks took full advabtage. Not to mention the toss factor.

Did I also mention that roy was out on a low score? India dint review when they clearly should have.

england weren't the better team and they won't be in 2023 either.
They can beat india on flat tracks in their country. sure. They are trash outside flat tracks. Spinning, bouncy and seaming wickets are not suited for their hacks and they will get found out.
If india pick their best side, England will lose in most places outside England. Mind you, india don't have dhawan for the game. So technically india weren't full strength. India dint have their middle order sorted either. Due to some ** politics, we saw fodders like karthik, the other midget who is perennially injured get chances. Had india actually picked iyer and Rahul for the middle order like they were supposed to, the result for that game would have been different.
 
Dhoni has been getting criticism for his outdated approach by Indian fans for a couple of years and yes his performance in the England game was poor but that has to do with incompetence rather than deliberate underperforming. Rohit and Virat started slow but then we all saw how they turned it around and almost put India on a winning path.

Anyways maybe instead of blaming India may be focus should be on analysis about losing to a poor WI side, Almost losing to Afghanistan, yawning and showing lethargy in the biggest match of the world cup, Letting aussies get to 300+ on a green track etc etc etc
 
Slow pitch in the final? they actually won.the final? it was a joke. They never truly won* the final. They won via some rubbish rules about scoring more boundaries rofl.

Yes, they actually won the final. They wont by the rules agreed and known by all teams prior to the tournament and won on a slow low scoring pitch.

btw regarding the boundary, here is the post about it;


England openers, Jonny Bairstow in particular took full advantage of the short 59-meter Edgbaston boundary to tackle the Indian wrist spinners Yuzvendra Chahal and Kuldeep Yadav. Bairstow, who hit his first World Cup hundred smashed five - four of those off Chahal - of his six sixes towards that shorter boundary. Bairstow (111) put a blistering 160-run opening stand with Jason Roy(66), which always kept England ahead of the game.

I'd ask for a source but it's fairly clear it's some dodgy Indian news outlet given the easily verifiable false claim that 5 of Bairstows sixes went over the 59m boundary.


so yes boundaries were rigged. It was bizarre and english hacks took full advabtage. Not to mention the toss factor.

As has already been pointed out, the boundaries weren't rigged, they were as far back as they could possibly be.


Did I also mention that roy was out on a low score? India dint review when they clearly should have.

england weren't the better team and they won't be in 2023 either.
They can beat india on flat tracks in their country. sure. They are trash outside flat tracks. Spinning, bouncy and seaming wickets are not suited for their hacks and they will get found out.
If india pick their best side, England will lose in most places outside England. Mind you, india don't have dhawan for the game. So technically india weren't full strength. India dint have their middle order sorted either. Due to some ** politics, we saw fodders like karthik, the other midget who is perennially injured get chances. Had india actually picked iyer and Rahul for the middle order like they were supposed to, the result for that game would have been different.

When you've got to make 50 million excuses to claim India are the better team it's fairly clear what the truth is. There's a reason England are the world champions and have been the best team in ODI cricket since the 2015 world cup. In a combined team India would get at most maybe 4 players in right now which says it all about comparative strength.
 
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Dhoni has played that way for most of his career. The difference was that when he was younger he was good enough to make sure it didn't end up as a losing innings, and in the world cup he was waning as a player. Any player that takes that approach makes the risk of looking equally stupid when they lose.
 
Rohit and Kohli could (and should) have made it easier on the lower order for the last 20 overs but they didnt have the luxury of a strong middle order to take that many risks
 
337 is a massive target for any surface and I believe that would have been a record chase in WC, if successful. It looks a bit shady because IND fell short by 31 and had 5 wickets at hand - had they been all-out for 306, I believe no one would have any issues. But, this is the way MSD plays and he had been winning many games like that - being in the middle and taking it to last ball. Pandeya's dismissal ended the little chance that IND had, MSD was just salvaging scraps. Actually, more than him Kedar Jadav wasted more ball in last 4-5 overs (12 of 13). Also, considering India's tail that day (Kuldeep, Shami, Chahal, Bumrah), I believe 5 down is almost like 9 down .... had one of MSD or Kedar got out by 47th over, IND could have been all-out by 50th!!!!!!

I am not sure about the criticism of Sharma-Kohli partnership either - they lost an early wicket and did started slowly (this is the only part I find interesting - India's first 10 overs was shambolic considering target of 337 and they gave Woakes like 3 maidens on an absolute belter in PP!!!!), but did recover on asking and at the point VK got out, IND actually was ahead on DWL (146/1 after 28'1 overs, which was 6 runs better than DWL per), and DWL is quite accurate in such predictions. Once I ran a stats on properly finished games (around 35, randomly picked - all ended in full distance without any interference), around 75% times, the sides ahead after 80 overs (30 overs on 2nd innings) by DWL methods, were the eventual winners.

I think, it all went wrong from a poor shot by VK - almost gave a catching practice by a slash, which is uncharacteristic for Kohli, particularly after scoring 66 and scoring cautiously. Then the final nail was Sharma - got out to a cross batted slog to a slower one, 1st ball on return of a new bowler. I knew then that IND will lose that game - MS just made sure that IND doesn't lose much ground on NRR. That was exactly what Williamson did against PAK other way (with ball) - prolonged an inevitable defeat. Kohli's comment on the ground shape is part of his persona - guy can't take defeat easily and almost like a street fighter, he'll throw a punch at every opportunity, without thinking much of it; it's like his second nature :( Edgbaston is there for almost 140 years now and hosting Tests for 120 years - the shape was similar always, and they extended the boundary to max.

I haven't read Stokes, but I guess guy is desperate for a bumper sale of his book :), trying to add spice in it.

This is actually most accurate analysis of whole situation

With Dhawan out - there was extra burden on Rohit & Kohli to steady the ship & then probably launch a counter attack from 30 overs onwards. Unfortunately Kohli lost his wicket in soft dismissal & so did Rohit after reaching 100. That took wind out of India's sails. Pant is too inexperienced for such situations & Dhoni is no longer the Dhoni of 2006 who wud chase at 10 rpo any longer

Basically a poorly executed chase capped of by a very poor but totally expected innings by Dhoni
 
We went out of the WC due to our own failings. Nothing to do with India losing to England. How we lost to West Indies in the first game was embarrassing.

Let's be honest if the roles were reversed, no Pakistan fan would be saying it was a fix or the other team deliberately underperformed.
 
Pak is THE MOST EXCITING team in world cricket without a doubt may not be the best I agree but cricket especially ICC tournaments are boring without Pak tbh

2015 made it exciting, 2019 almost won and with that peak and momentum (we beat both of the finalists) I am sure we would have been the champions 100%, we always have that killer instinct in final stages extremely hard to beat us when we are there and 2019 is massively underrated imo for PAK

You are massively underestimating PAK in knockout situations especially with that sort of momentum

I don’t find mediocrity and inconsistency exciting. For me a 6th ranked team that entered the World Cup with 21 defeats in 25 ODIs (including a 12 match losing streak) and finished 5th in the World Cup with the third worst NRR is neither exciting nor entertaining, and it shows that the team is composed of losers who are bringing shame to a proud cricket nation with 60 years of cricket heritage.

If I didn’t have the misfortune of being a Pakistani, I wouldn’t watch this extremely ordinary and boring team that stinks of mediocrity apart from Babar and Shaheen.

As far as knockouts are concerned, between the two titles (WT20 2009 & CT 2017) we made the knockouts on the following occasions:

2009 CT
2010 WT20
2011 WC
2012 WT20
2015 WC

We made knockouts in 5 tournaments and failed on all occasions. So am I really underestimating Pakistan in knockouts? Clearly not. The 2017 CT was clearly a flash in the pan.

As far as our so-called momentum in the 2019 World Cup is concerned, well we had none. After beating England, we choked against Australia and were crushed by India. After beating South Africa and New Zealand, we had to rely on umpiring blunders to escape defeat against Afghanistan, and the Bangladesh match was a dead rubber.

We clearly had no significant monument in that World Cup where we produced 3 good performances in 8 completed matches.
 
I think you jus tneed to accept that your team threw that match to keep Pakistan out. Everyone knows it. And mr Indian army Dhoni was probably even more energised to do so..it was a pathetic display and it was great to see New Zealand knock these guys out. they've made a mockery of cricket for years.

Well if that is true than the Indian think tank are simply too thick to not realize that eliminating England at the expense of Pakistan would have drastically improved their chances of winning the World Cup.
 
beat to a pulp in England only*. Not in sub continent or australia or any non flat wickets.

I think England is capable of downing India everywhere except India. Their weak-link was bowling but they have covered that up to a great extent with Archer.
 
Yes, they actually won the final. They wont by the rules agreed and known by all teams prior to the tournament and won on a slow low scoring pitch.

btw regarding the boundary, here is the post about it;




I'd ask for a source but it's fairly clear it's some dodgy Indian news outlet given the easily verifiable false claim that 5 of Bairstows sixes went over the 59m boundary.




As has already been pointed out, the boundaries weren't rigged, they were as far back as they could possibly be.




When you've got to make 50 million excuses to claim India are the better team it's fairly clear what the truth is. There's a reason England are the world champions and have been the best team in ODI cricket since the 2015 world cup. In a combined team India would get at most maybe 4 players in right now which says it all about comparative strength.

india actually beat them in India prior to the world cup and lost away in England.

India weren't full strength and that's a fact. Board messed up the selections. Players that weren't supposed to be there played. Also our best icc batsman aka dhawan dint play the game. Englsnd without roy looked like headless chickens. Openers are crucial in ICC tournaments.

England are better than india on flat tracks,sure. On sub continent wickets and bouncy wickets, india are better and the record says so. In seaming wickets it's actually surprisingly even. So yes india are better. During the tournament, I believe india led during the ladder stages. England were lucky to even make semis. So shut it about them being superior. They are really not. India lost the game only because dhawan was injured and we had a makeshift middle order despite having far better players in our arsenal. Englsnd dint face India's best team.
 
I think England is capable of downing India everywhere except India. Their weak-link was bowling but they have covered that up to a great extent with Archer.

England never faced the strongest version of India's team during the world cup. I don't think England would do well vs india in bouncy wickets. Bouncy wickets actually suit indian bowlers especially with shami and bumrah.

On seaming tracks toss will play a huge role.
 
England never faced the strongest version of India's team during the world cup. I don't think England would do well vs india in bouncy wickets. Bouncy wickets actually suit indian bowlers especially with shami and bumrah.

On seaming tracks toss will play a huge role.

England did win the ODI series against India in England in 2018 ( 10-11 months before WC) despite no Archer at the time.

However England did lose to India in the Jan 2017 ODI series in India where insane scores were racked up. But that was 2.5 years before the WC so prolly not a guage
 
England did win the ODI series against India in England in 2018 ( 10-11 months before WC) despite no Archer at the time.

However England did lose to India in the Jan 2017 ODI series in India where insane scores were racked up. But that was 2.5 years before the WC so prolly not a guage

india were also without bumrah for that series. shami dint play the 2nd and 3 game either. India also don't have Rahul in the middle order for the third game. rayudu who is far better than the fodders like karthik etc dint play.
 
Personally I thought it was astonishing arrogance to act all cool and casual and not go for victory chase. I remember thinking immediately after this game that India were definitely not going to win the WC .. had a feeling karma would bite us in the knockout games. Oh well.
 
If there is a choice between eliminating England and eliminating Pakistan, you choose Pakistan every time. I know that Pakistani fans like to portray their team as ‘dangerous’ when they gain momentum, but flukes like Champions Trophy do not happen all the time. We are a terribly mediocre team and our 8th ranked failures should have been easy prey for Australia in the semifinal or India in the final.

On the other hand, the number 1 ranked England were always going to be overwhelming favorites if given an opportunity to claw their way back into the tournament. If it is indeed true that India deliberately underperformed to eliminate Pakistan and help England stay in the tournament, they clearly choose a nonsensical deal.

Besides, there is no reason to believe that they underperformed from a cricketing perspective. Sometimes, it is just good cricket by the opposition. Let’s not forget that England is the only team at the moment that can beat India to a pulp in ODI cricket even if India performs to its max capacity.

With KL Rahul registering a 9 ball duck, it was understandable to see Rohit and Kohli play cautiously in the first 10 overs because another wicket at that point would have been curtains for India. They limped to 40 in 13 overs but added the next 100 runs in about 14 overs.

146/1 in 28 overs was a perfectly reasonable position to be in - they were set for a big finish and would probably have won the match had England not dismissed Kohli in the 29th over. Plunkett and Archer bowled beautifully on the day.

As far as Dhoni’s so-called lack of intent is concerned, again - we need to understand that this is how Dhoni has played over the last 5 years. He no longer has the ability to be destructive from ball one. That is why India have tried to accommodate him at number 4 where he can afford to take his time.

It was a typical post 2015 Dhoni innings. Pakistani fans just want to feel important by deluding themselves that Dhoni somehow deliberately played in that fashion in order to lose the match so that our 8th ranked Shaheens do not qualify for the semifinals. If 2009 version of Dhoni had played like that, people would have had a point.

Anyway, even if there is a shred of truth to the notion that India deliberately lost the match to dump Pakistan out, I say well done. We have absolutely no right to criticize them after what we did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy. That was far, far worse than what we think India tried to do against England in the 2019 World Cup.

Completely agree that India didn't loose on purpose. I don't know how fans think to come with these kind of stories.

Besides, hasn't India just lost 3-0 in New Zealand in ODI's? So what it is if it's not beaten to a pulp?
Has this Indian team already even won an ODI in Australia against their Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, or even 2 of them? Genuinely asking, but I don't think so.

Agree with the Dhoni part, and this is also what Stokes says, that many English players believe Dhoni doesn't always plays for the win just plays to minimise the loss. That explains his high average even overs the last decade in witch he has been quite mediocre.
 
So many Pakistani PPers rate Dhoni so highly, more than most of us Indian fans. Strange, just like how many Indian PPers overrate Misbah.
 
59 meters one side of the boundary square for that game.

I did feel India was leaving it too late, maybe it was a game plan to conserve wickets and they felt they could get 100 off the last 10, 55 off the last 30 balls.
 
Completely agree that India didn't loose on purpose. I don't know how fans think to come with these kind of stories.

Besides, hasn't India just lost 3-0 in New Zealand in ODI's? So what it is if it's not beaten to a pulp?
Has this Indian team already even won an ODI in Australia against their Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, or even 2 of them? Genuinely asking, but I don't think so.

Agree with the Dhoni part, and this is also what Stokes says, that many English players believe Dhoni doesn't always plays for the win just plays to minimise the loss. That explains his high average even overs the last decade in witch he has been quite mediocre.

India beat Australia's full strength team in 2019 my boy.

None of the top teams be a india best team. England beat a side without bumrah and shami in the bilateral series prior to the world cup.

new zeland won after india thrashed them in t20 5-0. Besides india were clearly fatigued after playing far too many games. Somehow that never gets factored into a debate.

Even in the world cup, india were not full strength as they lost their best ICC batsman and also missed 2 key middle order players like rayudu and Rahul. Rahul was meant to be slotting in the number 5 position. Rayudu actually performed well vs new zealand prior to the world cup where india won 4-1 vs a full strength new zeland side. India dint have pandya and bumrah only played the first 3 games.
 
Ms dhoni should have retired after 2015,he's a shadow of his former self but still comparison with misbah(in odis) is a joke.
I would have stopped watching odi cricket if someone like misbah captained india in odis. Great test player but an absolutely horrendous odi player.
 
'There was no intent from MS Dhoni' - Ben Stokes on India's crushing defeat against England in 2019 World Cup

England all-rounder Ben Stokes has recalled his side's clash against India in the 2019 World Cup last year where the hosts thumped Virat Kohli's men by 31 runs. Stokes was left surprised by India's approach in the 338-run chase and said he saw "little or no intent" from MS Dhoni. The English all-rounder also termed Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma's batting in the run-chase "mystifying".

England and India met in the match 38 of the ICC World Cup 2019 at the Edgbaston Cricket Ground in Birmingham. Touted as favourites to win the trophy, expectations were high when the two top teams locked horns against each other. However, England emerged comfortable winners in what was fairly a one-sided contest with India falling short by 31 runs in the chase.

In his book On Fire, Stokes has analysed each of England's game in their World Cup-winning campaign. Recalling the India game, Stokes wrote how he saw no intent from Dhoni or his partner Kedar Jadhav towards the end of the run-chase. Both Dhoni and Jadhav remained unbeaten of 42 and 12 runs respectively as they decided against going all-out in the chase despite having wickets in hands.

"Arguably, the way MS Dhoni played when he came in with 112 runs needed from 11 overs was even stranger. He appeared more intent on singles than sixes. Even with a dozen balls remaining, India could still have won. There was little or no intent from him (Dhoni) or his partner Kedar Jadhav. To me, while victory is still possible you always go for broke," Stokes wrote in his book On Fire.

Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma allowed India to get far behind: Stokes

After losing opener KL Rahul on a duck in the 338-run chase, Rohit and Kohli had opted for a cautious approach as they added 138 runs for the second wicket. However, the duo ended up consuming almost 26 overs for the partnership, which Stokes felt, took the game away from India. Rohit scored 102 off 109 balls while Kohli had scored 66 off 76 balls.

Dhoni walked in to bat after Rishabh Pant's dismissal with India requiring 102 runs to win from 65 deliveries with six wickets in hands. However, the veteran wicket-keeper batsman continued to deal in singles to take the game deep but India lost the plot after Hardik Pandya, who was more aggressive in his approach, was dismissed in the 45th over. Stokes said England camp believed Dhoni played the way he did to ensure India maintain a healthy run rate on the points table.

"There is a theory in our camp that Dhoni's way of playing has always been the same. Even if India can't win the game, he takes it right to the end to try to make sure that India's run rate stays relatively healthy," Stokes wrote.

"His big thing has always been to give himself a chance of winning by being at the crease for the final over, but he generally likes to stick around to get as close to a target as possible even in a losing cause," he added.

Stokes lauded the English bowlers for keeping Rohit and Kohli quiet for the most part of the run chase but insisted that the Indian duo could have launched a counter-attack to give the Men in Blue a chance in the game.

"The way Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli played was mystifying. I know that we bowled brilliantly well during this period, but the way they went about their batting just seemed bizarre.

"They allowed their team to get so far behind the game. They showed no desire to put any pressure back onto our team, content instead to just drift along, a tactic that was clearly playing into our hands."
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...feat-against-england-in-2019-world-cup/597331
 
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