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Ben Stokes vs Hardik Pandya

Well Stokes has done it for a few years now while Pandya has just started his career. So we can't really compare them at all.
 
Stokes is also a bit of an airhead, not unlike Kohli, Pandya is a lot more mature after looking at him play even the shorter formats.
 
Well joke comparison thread. Pandya has just started his career. Granted he has had a great start but he needs to go a long way before he can match stokes as a bowler. Pandya needs to work a lot on his bowling. He has the talent but it is still work in progress.
 
Stokes bottled in Wt20 final. Pandya gave it all in CT final.So we know who is what? But Let's not turn this into fan war.I was just being funny.

Anyways going beyond that on a more serious note, Stokes because he is doing it for a longer time.But he is no Botham and is not going to become a Kallis with the bat.
 
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Stokes is a far better batsman.

Hitting a double century in SA at 100+ SR is no joke.
 
Stokes as of now by a big margin. Pandya is just starting and stokes is a better batsman against pace where as pandya is a beast against spin
 
pandya has the game to excel in overseas tests

i think he will do well in south africa
 
Pandya is a mediocre associate team level bowler. Will probably struggle to get into many associate teams as a bowler too. Neither is his batting anywhere near Stokes' level

/joke thread
 
Pandya is a bit of joke tbh...he's neither a good batsman nor a good bowler, he's in the team because...I don't know

Only thing going for him is his confidence level..when u become a multi millionaire at a young age, fear of failure doesn't bother u. He's at that stage of life.
 
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When Stokes was his infancy he was also a very mediocre batsmen and bowler who seemed to be living off that 6fer and ton in Perth but then repaid the faith given to him with his performances with bat and ball during England's last tour of SA. That 258 was one hell of a knock.

Pandya needs time and I think we will see the best of him in the years to come.
 
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Hardik isn't in the league of Stokes. He's a bits and pieces cricketer who occasionally comes handy in favourable conditions. Stokes on the other hand is a genuine allrounder.

The best allrounders list will be something like this.

1. Shakib Al Hasan

Little bit of gap

2. Ben Stokes

Big Big gap

Rest of the bits and pieces allrounders
 
Stokes is different level..

Pandya is no where near him and will not reach that level ever.. At best Pandya can be India’s second best all rounder after Kapil but at the moment th eliks of bhuvi and Ashwin are way ahead of him.
 
Stokes is a Botham level batsmen and a bowler at the level of Kallis.

Pandya is a Kapil level batsmen and bowls worse than Stokes/Kallis.
 
One of them is a world class all-rounder who is an automatic selection in his side every day of the week.

The other one is known for more variation in his hairstyles than in his bowling.
 
Stokes is a better bowler, and Pandaya's bowling with all those slower ones and cutters is probably not fit for Test Cricket. He will always be a force in LOIs though.
 
I'd take Hardik Pandya over "Botched master" in all format on Monday, Tuesday, .... heck seven days a week. No crazy in my team.
 
Of course everybody knows that Pandya has better hair. Stokes on the other hand is clearly balding.

Why is this thread even open?
 
Stokes really gives 200% in long bowling spells specially when his team needs him most.

Pandya played very less firstclass cricket that is evident in his both disciplines. He looks too raw.
 
Pandya peeping out of the darkness in the dressing room yesterday after Ashwin came out to bat ahead of him and then falling down while trying to sit was :)))

He will probably be called on today to make a 20-25. If he can't even do that, they should banish him from cricket altogether.
 
Pandya isn't half the player that stokes is. Commendable that he tried to win the game but these 2 are a class apart.
 
1 is a worldclass allrounder able to play difficult knocks and bowl game changing spells under pressure, other is a selfish coward who has shown he has little actual ability other than swinging his bat in hope in LoI's.
 
Good try by Pandya but he needs to show up a lot more in this series. Stokes is streets ahead although never mind a bottler in LO.
 
Stokes has a lot of flaws but Pandya isn't even close to him.
 
Pandya can never deliver a bowling performance like this one. He didn't even bowl in the second inning.
 
Hardik is a fine talent but simply inept with the ball. To consider him an all-rounder is quite frankly an insult to other players who generally fit that bill.

Some of his shots today were perfect; straight and down the ground in the V. That shows you he has the ability to play a more compact innings but needs to stop chasing after every ball.

His SA gung-ho innings worked because they were not chasing a target so he had no real pressure. When the game is on the line, the smart thing to do is rotate the strike and not flash at anything outside off-stump.

A fine young batsman but not an all-rounder.
 
Let's get some perspective on Pandya please. Here are his wonderful stats for the world to see:

Test:
Bat: 35.08 Ball: 46.71

ODI:
Bat: 29.13 Ball: 40.35

FC:
Bat: 29.92 Ball: 38.16

LA:
Bat: 27.88 Ball: 39.58

Fantastic stats they are, eh?
 
In the pre-IPL era we wouldn't have been fooled by players like these.

Unfortunately it has become an arena where either hacks are unearthed (Pandya), or where otherwise good test players are ruined (Rahul).
 
Varun said:
Let's get some perspective on Pandya please. Here are his wonderful stats for the world to see:

Test:
Bat: 35.08 Ball: 46.71

ODI:
Bat: 29.13 Ball: 40.35

FC:
Bat: 29.92 Ball: 38.16

LA:
Bat: 27.88 Ball: 39.58

Fantastic stats they are, eh?
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Oh dear, look at those bowling averages :facepalm:
 
Stokes is a genuine match-winner who can win Test matches with either bat or ball. Pandya as yet is a cricketer who has potential but is not a proven match-winner.
 
Tbh, Ashwin is a far better option for India to bat at no. 6 or no.7 in Tests. In bowling, he just isn't good enough to be the 4th bowler, he could easily be replaced in the current XI as well. A Batting Allrounder shouldn't be batting at no. 8.
 
Former Australia cricketer Brad Hogg gave his opinion into the debate as to which all-rounder is better between India star Hardik Pandya and England talisman Ben Stokes. The two cricketers are currently regarded as X-factor players for their respective teams and their presence in side brings balance to the playing XI.

Stokes has been doing the job for England for a while now while Pandya has also become a regular feature in all formats for Team India.

Hogg was asked about the better all-rounder between the two on Twitter and he weighed towards the England superstar. Hogg’s post read: “I have to go with the Englishman on this one. Hardik has potential but he hasn’t played enough international cricket to challenge Stokes as the all-rounder for my World XI.

Stokes has so far played 63 Tests, 95 ODIs and 26 T20Is and has scored 4056, 2682 and 305 runs respectively. While he has also picked up 147, 70 and 14 wickets for the Three Lions so far.

As for Pandya, he has played 11 Tests, 54 ODIs and 40 T20Is and scored 532, 957 and 310 runs respectively. While he has scalped 17, 54 and 38 wickets in the three formats respectively.

Apart from these numbers, the one things that really seperates the two all-rounder is that Stokes is a World Cup winner and Pandya is not. Stokes’ majestic innings in the ICC 2019 World Cup final against New Zealand helped them clinch their first ever title in front of their home support.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-ben-stokes/story-UHQiHF0fAEMMKgqZYmS8YJ.html
 
MenInG said:
Former Australia cricketer Brad Hogg gave his opinion into the debate as to which all-rounder is better between India star Hardik Pandya and England talisman Ben Stokes. The two cricketers are currently regarded as X-factor players for their respective teams and their presence in side brings balance to the playing XI.

Stokes has been doing the job for England for a while now while Pandya has also become a regular feature in all formats for Team India.

Hogg was asked about the better all-rounder between the two on Twitter and he weighed towards the England superstar. Hogg’s post read: “I have to go with the Englishman on this one. Hardik has potential but he hasn’t played enough international cricket to challenge Stokes as the all-rounder for my World XI.

Stokes has so far played 63 Tests, 95 ODIs and 26 T20Is and has scored 4056, 2682 and 305 runs respectively. While he has also picked up 147, 70 and 14 wickets for the Three Lions so far.

As for Pandya, he has played 11 Tests, 54 ODIs and 40 T20Is and scored 532, 957 and 310 runs respectively. While he has scalped 17, 54 and 38 wickets in the three formats respectively.

Apart from these numbers, the one things that really seperates the two all-rounder is that Stokes is a World Cup winner and Pandya is not. Stokes’ majestic innings in the ICC 2019 World Cup final against New Zealand helped them clinch their first ever title in front of their home support.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-ben-stokes/story-UHQiHF0fAEMMKgqZYmS8YJ.html
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This is called “tongue in check” response, when you need to think about your pocket as well.
 
Is this even a comparison?

Stokes wins by a country mile. He has accomplished much more and is more capable.
 
Stokes is in a different league altogether after those two ATG knocks. He has gone past Chris Cairns and Andrew Flintoff IMO both were great all-rounders.

Some posters might not like it but it is a fact now that last year <B>Benjamin Stokes achieved something which Ian Botham failed to do 28 years ago</B>. This will remain a fact.
 
The truth is that on a scale - Faheem < Pandya < Stokes obviously.

But Pandya is far closer to Faheem then he is to Stokes. Stokes is so far ahead it’s not even a joke. Pandya has done nothing. He’s not even close to the likes of Jadeja or Ashwin in his own team yet.
 
Hardik Pandya is not a match winner, he never played match winning performance in tests and OS odi's.
Not even 25% of Ben stokes.

Ben stokes vs Yuvi comparison is apt in LOI's
 
Stokes is obviously better but talent wise I wont put Pandya much behind. The difference lies in temperament and priority. Stoksey takes pride playing for the country and wants to do good in red ball cricket. Pandya is a reluctant international player and his entire priority lies on IPL money. Mumbai Indians is a bigger priority for him than India.
 
Pandya is a very talented player. I'm sure he will come good but he is no competition for Stokes.
 
Stokes 2 players and a half when compare to Pandya. Pandya barely qualify as a all-rounder due to below average bowling and one dimensional batting which is only good when power hitting is required.
 
Stokes is way better than Pandya.

Far more clutch and a far better match winner.
 
Comparing stokes with pandya is a joke. Stoke is a dream cricketer. Pandya can turn into a very good rounder but he needs to win tournaments and tests for india. Please stop calling Faheem an alrounder. Unfortunate that he played for pakistan.
 
comparing pandya and stokes is like comparing walmart brand sliced american cheese with Parmigiano-Reggiano
 
MenInG said:
Former Australia cricketer Brad Hogg gave his opinion into the debate as to which all-rounder is better between India star Hardik Pandya and England talisman Ben Stokes. The two cricketers are currently regarded as X-factor players for their respective teams and their presence in side brings balance to the playing XI.

Stokes has been doing the job for England for a while now while Pandya has also become a regular feature in all formats for Team India.

Hogg was asked about the better all-rounder between the two on Twitter and he weighed towards the England superstar. Hogg’s post read: “I have to go with the Englishman on this one. Hardik has potential but he hasn’t played enough international cricket to challenge Stokes as the all-rounder for my World XI.

Stokes has so far played 63 Tests, 95 ODIs and 26 T20Is and has scored 4056, 2682 and 305 runs respectively. While he has also picked up 147, 70 and 14 wickets for the Three Lions so far.

As for Pandya, he has played 11 Tests, 54 ODIs and 40 T20Is and scored 532, 957 and 310 runs respectively. While he has scalped 17, 54 and 38 wickets in the three formats respectively.

Apart from these numbers, the one things that really seperates the two all-rounder is that Stokes is a World Cup winner and Pandya is not. Stokes’ majestic innings in the ICC 2019 World Cup final against New Zealand helped them clinch their first ever title in front of their home support.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-ben-stokes/story-UHQiHF0fAEMMKgqZYmS8YJ.html
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lol there isnt any debate for Brad Hogg to have to say this.

Ive noticed Brad Hogg is also very active on youtube and is in the Shoaib school of praise-Indian-cricketer-make-easy-money scheme
 
Pandya is more likely to be a Razzaq level player. Not to say that wont still be a good player who will help India but Stokes is once a generation.

Probably most complete all rounder since Kallis.
 
This is an embarrassing comparison. :facepalm:

Stokes is at least three leagues above Pandya.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes is in a different league altogether after those two ATG knocks. He has gone past Chris Cairns and Andrew Flintoff IMO both were great all-rounders.

Some posters might not like it but it is a fact now that last year <B>Benjamin Stokes achieved something which Ian Botham failed to do 28 years ago</B>. This will remain a fact.
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Not a very important one to people who consider tests the gold standard.

Stokes is a test class batter but wouldn’t be picked for his bowling alone so is not a true test allrounder.

Flintoff was only a test allrounder in the true sense for a couple of years.

Cairns was a bit better than Flintoff but wouldn’t be picked for his batting alone, therefore is not a true all rounder either.
 
Hardik pandya is neither a batsman nor a bowler. he is the definition of bits and pieces cricketer.He can't even dream of playing like Ben stokes.This is one of the worst thread on PP ever.
 
lol is this a joke?? one of the best ever all rounders of all time compared with hardik? rofl.

dikk is good for balance. that's it. India only need him to give our strike bowlers rest and his batting is a bonus. He adds balance. He is no where near stokes who is a legit GOAT level player.
 
Robert said:
Not a very important one to people who consider tests the gold standard.

Stokes is a test class batter but wouldn’t be picked for his bowling alone so is not a true test allrounder.

Flintoff was only a test allrounder in the true sense for a couple of years.

Cairns was a bit better than Flintoff but wouldn’t be picked for his batting alone, therefore is not a true all rounder either.
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Fair enough. Everyone has their own benchmark. For me in this era, world cup matters because it tests batsmen's ability to perform under pressure situation. Tests and WC both matters for me.
 
Ben Stokes in my humble opinion is the player of this generation. He has achieved what some of the greatest cricketers have not. I'm sure every damn player on this planet would trade the 2 matches Stokes played - the world cup final and Ashes 359 chase - for their entire careers. Calling him an all time great is an understatement. Just based on potential, only Andre Russell comes close to him. But of course performances don't agree and rightfully so.

Pandya, is well, Pandya. No other comments. I'm not sure if this is a fair comparison. The latter needs to be compared with the likes of Faheem Ashraf. Even the likes of James Neesham, Jason Holder are better than these overrated allrounders.
 
Stokes, Shakib, Jadeja and Pandya are the All-rounders of this generation.
 
Regardless of stats stokes is miles ahead .Shakib is amla of all rounders scoring soft runs while stokes is kohli of all rounders playing jem of knocks
 
Can't compare with Stokes but is the best AR from India. Excellent consistent batting in the last two series and good bowling today. Could have picked both wickets in his last over. Gun fielder despite dropping a couple today. He is clutch!! Performs under pressure and that's invaluable.
 
The fact that Pandya's weak suit is his bowling but he was still relied on ahead of couple of main bowlers to bowl 10 overs and under pressure tells us how good and clutch a player he is.

It is unfortunate that because of injuries and Jadeja hitting his peak in tests as all-rounder has diminished his chance of a place in the test side but he would have been a terrific player in tests too.
 
Stokes is an ATG, Pandya is a good utility cricketer at the moment, most likely will fade away in 2-3 years due to his fickle fitness.
 
I think the embarrassment he was handed during the T20 series swishing wildly at short bowling has worked for him. He looks a little more humble and committed. Yesterday when he dropped two catches, he seemed distraught rather than giving his version of cool-West-Indian-stares that have been his norm in recent times.

A Hardik Pandya who doesn't take his place for granted (Thakur performing consistently) is what we need. Not some wannabe sitting shirt-off in the dugout.

With all that said, he bowled a phenomenal 49th under extreme pressure and disappointment (dropped catches) to give Natarajan some breathing space in the final over.
 
Ab Fan said:
Stokes, Shakib, Jadeja and Pandya are the All-rounders of this generation.
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Its comments like these which clearly show your opinion should not be values and only come here to give your biased opinions. The likes of Holder has done more than Pandiya will ever do.

Stoke is an ATG allrounder and probably the cricketer of his generation ahead of anyone else.

Shakib is a spin bowling ATG level allrounder and Jadeja had the potential to be his close second if not for start stop career when it comes to batting.

Pandya at best are best of the rest which is also debatable and depends on form etc.
 
pillionrider said:
I think the embarrassment he was handed during the T20 series swishing wildly at short bowling has worked for him. He looks a little more humble and committed. Yesterday when he dropped two catches, he seemed distraught rather than giving his version of cool-West-Indian-stares that have been his norm in recent times.

A Hardik Pandya who doesn't take his place for granted (Thakur performing consistently) is what we need. Not some wannabe sitting shirt-off in the dugout.

With all that said, he bowled a phenomenal 49th under extreme pressure and disappointment (dropped catches) to give Natarajan some breathing space in the final over.
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Its harder to bowl short length for long periods with mixing it up so ODI this goes in his favour and also the line is dangerous as edges etc can go above keeper.
 
pillionrider said:
I think the embarrassment he was handed during the T20 series swishing wildly at short bowling has worked for him. He looks a little more humble and committed. Yesterday when he dropped two catches, he seemed distraught rather than giving his version of cool-West-Indian-stares that have been his norm in recent times.

A Hardik Pandya who doesn't take his place for granted (Thakur performing consistently) is what we need. Not some wannabe sitting shirt-off in the dugout.

With all that said, he bowled a phenomenal 49th under extreme pressure and disappointment (dropped catches) to give Natarajan some breathing space in the final over.
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He speaks like West Indians though. Not sure if that's his normal accent or fake one. :inti
 
Stokes is a league above Pandya, which is fine cos Stokes is some one who would walk onto all time world 11 by the time he hangs his boots imo . Pandya can potentially be in Indian LoI great
 
Ben Stokes is a better batsman and bowler in all 3 formats. No contest at the moment.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He speaks like West Indians though. Not sure if that's his normal accent or fake one. :inti
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Virat Kohli once said of Hardik - he only listens to English music and doesn't know any of the lyrics. But that doesn't seem to matter because he sings them making up his own words :apology
 
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