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Benazir Bhutto dead after suicide bomb attack (Condolences thread)

Well I can't believe what I am seeing on TV, for my beatiful country Pakistan! All this rampage and anger for what? Benazir, the same lady that robbed the country's bank accounts, the same lady who was number one pro-American, pro-Isreali, and to an extent pro-Indian! I just don't see the correlation between men and women crying for this lady, I just really don't! The carnage that has bestowed upon our country is beyound the relms of consideration! and for what? Bhutto the same lady who said, "I will turn AQ Khan over to the American", the same lady that sat with the Isreali ambassador for 3 hours inside a room in NYC, behind close doors! (Wonder what they discussed!) She was willing to do anything to get to the PM's seat in Pakistan, she was not looking out for the 160 million people of Pakistan, she was trying to formulate a plan, of how to transfer the countries $16 billion of foreign reserves to her bank account! I just don't see any good deeds in this lady!

When she stepped on the soil of Pakistan, 179 people died because of her arriving! Who is suppose to ask there families and loved ones?! In the bomb blast that happened when she was killed, around 50 people are dead, who is suppose to ask them? We are all looking at Benazir's death, we need to look at the broader pictures as well! Another thing to consider is that, when those 179 people died, did Benazir even try to help there families out?! She has/had mansions all over the world, with Mercedess-Benz cars parked outside and stuff and still she was full of greed! Plain out pathetic!

Pakistan's awaam are idoitic lunatics! Burned over 700 cars, gas stations, trains, buses, and people houses! Most importantly the loss of life of other fellow Pakistani's! All for what? Bhutto! The lady was NOT the door to democracy! At the current situation Pakistan is not ready for democracy!

Don't the people of Pakistan realize that it was in the US, Isreal, and India's interest that Benazir Bhutto was elected into office! She was willing to do anything to get to the PM's seat! Now my brothers and sisters, please tell me what is the use of all this devastation in our beautiful country?! She was against the interest of Pakistan, just like her dad! First her dad split the country in two and now she was on that path as well! By telling the Americans that they can sent troops into Pakistan! Pathetic doing by this lady!

By her dieing all the plans the American and Isreali had for Pakistan and the Muslim world have been flushed down the drains! That is fact! Realistically talking, and for all the people who think that she was an icon for the country, please stop alluding yourselfs and face actual facts! Just like in the US when someone was/is against the countries interest the US government has had them killed, I say Pakistan should do the same!

The attrocities that are happening in Pakistan, are happening for no reason at all! Stupid people showing how pathetic and moronic they are! I see grown men on TV crying! I gurantee they haven't even met Benazir in there life! Beside the point! Pakistan is in turmoil but if Musharraff was not in power, GOD knows where we would be today! I still don't get why people of our country are so idoitic?! Makes my blood boil after seeing what is happening there and all this because of someone who did NO good deed for Pakistan! On the contrary she always has harmed it and not only her but her family as well!

I feel sorry for her death on the bases of humanity! Condolances to her family and loved ones!
But from political point of view, it is one of the best things to happen for us Pakistani's and the sooner the people of Pakistan realize this the better!

Oh yeah brothers and sisters, if she was to come to power think for a second, after being a lapdog of the US and Isreal, what was she going to do?! The plans that the Americans had would have gone according to text when they said that that Pakistan would be divided into 4 countries!

Above I have stated my feelings on this incident, again I would say it is tragic from a view point of humanity but not Political point of view!

Again all of Pakistan should UNITE and become one at this stage of time/need! United we stand and Divided we fall!


Again my deepest greifs to the Benazir Bhutto and her family from a humanity point of view! May her soul rest in peace!
 
man who is telling the truth. its all a pack of lies. now masud's spokesman is denying their involvement in the attack, and the govt giving wrong account. man this goes deep, very deep.
 
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Can someone explain why the PPP and the Govt are so hung up in the exact manner/reason of her death ?

If she died due to the shrapnel wounds or a direct bullet to her head or due to her head hitting a hard object - how does that change things ?

Facts are that there WAS an attempt on her life and a bomb DID explode.

I find it slightly idiotic that Sherry Rahman etc are saying that they saw a bullet wound in her head.

Is she a qualified Medical examiner? How many head bullet wounds has she seen in her life ?

As for the Govt - what the heck are they playing at ? Get your story right and MOVE ON.
 
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i can hear firing right now. i also heard a kind of an explosion just a while ago.
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May ALLAH protect you and your loved ones , Ameen.
 
guess wat ive heard on ary.

bb's son bilaval will be nominated to lead ppp. it was bb's wish.

man this is history repating itself. if bilaval gets into power he may become worser than bb when she first came into power when bhutto died.
 
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i can hear firing right now. i also heard a kind of an explosion just a while ago.
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May ALLAH protect you and your loved ones , Ameen.

Where abouts do you live?
 
MIG said:
May ALLAH protect you and your loved ones , Ameen.

Where abouts do you live?
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im in defence AA lahore. there are pinds (villages) very near, and im sure that the firing is happening there.

also there was a protest on ghazi road and in these areas.
 
Biatullah Masud has denied that he assasinated BB. He had earlier denied his role in Karachi bombings too.
 
Z - who is this chap ? Havent heard too much about him before - is he from Pak or Afghan ?
 
I think everybody is hell-bent upon playing the 'extremism' card. They are trying to kill two birds with one stone. Blame it on the fundos and get done with it. This is the same dirty Pakistani politics that killed Liaquat Ali Khan and ZA Bhutto. Army is at it again. Agencies can infiltrate or groom so-called religious fanatics in order to create mayhem. Who knows if somewhere in Pakistan a madrassah is churning out suicide bombers and is run by the ISI behind the scenes. They use brain-washed idiots to do their dirty work (Pakistan Army has a long long history of using civilians to do their dirty work). If Musharraf is really responsible for this assassination is highly debatable as we have seen that these intelligence agencies are not answerable to many and can be autonomous of any authority and busy doing their own things.
 
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Z - who is this chap ? Havent heard too much about him before - is he from Pak or Afghan ?
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Belongs to the Masud Tribe in Wazeeristan. There are three main tribes in North Wazeeristan. Daur, Wazeer Masud. He is also the preferred scape goat, after Abdullah Masud was killed in Baluchistan. However his targets have always been military who was active in operation in Wazeeristan. Again and again he has denied that he had no problems with the politicians and will only retiliate if they are attacked.
 
JK - I object! - you are basing your conclusions on conjecture.

But what you say is quite believable and is probably being discussed in Pak living rooms today.

Will we ever know the true identity of the killer(s)?

I think BB, like Shaheed-e-Millat and Zia Sahib will the JFK mysteries of Pakistan for a long time to come.

Let me throw another little conjecture here, based on NO proof at all. I feel that BB had some other enemies - namely the sympathizers of her own brother who was gunned down in broad daylight during HER tenure as PM. Why would they not use this occasion to take revenge ?
 
Zeenix said:
Belongs to the Masud Tribe in Wazeeristan. There are three main tribes in North Wazeeristan. Daur, Wazeer Masud. He is also the preferred scape goat, after Abdullah Masud was killed in Baluchistan. However his targets have always been military who was active in operation in Wazeeristan. Again and again he has denied that he had no problems with the politicians and will only retiliate if they are attacked.
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Does he report to Ayman al Zawahiri ? ( not that these things are published )
 
MIG said:
Does he report to Ayman al Zawahiri ? ( not that these things are published )
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Of that i have no information. However suffice to say that most of what we hear about Al-Qaeda is pure imagination and the way US played the Al-Qaeda card to the hilt. Now its pakistan's time. The way they portray Al-Qaeda its seems that they are invincibles, with unlimited supply of Dollars, arms and manpower.
 
MIG said:
JK - I object! - you are basing your conclusions on conjecture.

But what you say is quite believable and is probably being discussed in Pak living rooms today.

Will we ever know the true identity of the killer(s)?

I think BB, like Shaheed-e-Millat and Zia Sahib will the JFK mysteries of Pakistan for a long time to come.

Let me throw another little conjecture here, based on NO proof at all. I feel that BB had some other enemies - namely the sympathizers of her own brother who was gunned down in broad daylight during HER tenure as PM. Why would they not use this occasion to take revenge ?
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Nobody but the ISI or the fundamentalists can get hold of a suicide bomber.
 
And we know its a suicide bomber or was that a remote controlled bomb?
 
This makes it more complicated. Maybe he was paid by someone who double crossed him by blowing up everybody including the killer by blowing everything up using a bomb after the job was completed.
 
its obvious she was shot,how could he miss from a couple of feet. this guy must have been a professional assasin. i dont knw why the government is tryin to cover this up. What about all the other leaders of our country that have died they wern't killed by AlQaeda cos it didn't exist then.

I feel this killing was carried out by someone powerful who is in politics. He hired a hitman,as you can see the hitman was wearing a suite with sunglasses so he would have been paid quite alot of money.it is unlikely a loonatic or a normal member of the public carried this out........
 
So, according to the Pakistani government, Bhutto was assassinated by Al Qaeda who cunningly set off an explosion that caused her to duck and hit her head on the sun roof handle in her car? Now we hear that they've turned down all foreign offers to provide assistance with forensic investigations and then a photo appears, apparently showing a man in sun glasses pointing a gun at Bhutto's car.

I'm no expert but there's just the smallest hint of something suspicious here...
 
A distant relative of mine was working in his bank with 6 colleagues in Khairpur when rioters set the whole bank on fire. All 6 men passed away inside.

My sister in Karachi was driving back home from a cousin's place when some mob started stoning the car. I dont think even I'm visiting Pak for some time now. Let alone Aussie team.
 
WasimG said:
A distant relative of mine was working in his bank with 6 colleagues in Khairpur when rioters set the whole bank on fire. All 6 men passed away inside.

My sister in Karachi was driving back home from a cousin's place when some mob started stoning the car. I dont think even I'm visiting Pak for some time now. Let alone Aussie team.
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Are these poor Pakistanis displaying their frustration out on anyone they deem has life opportunities? Is this street warfare? Why the hell are Pakistani turning on other Pakistanis in this way!

Posted this in the cricket forum:

Imran Khan writes that Benazir's assassination has put the unity of Pakistan under threat, and there is no more room for errors. He urged all PTI members to join the PPP workers in their grief, and emphasized that all parties must boycott the election to force Musharraf out, as his blind policies have reduced the country to ashes from Peshawar to Rawalpindi to Karachi.

Read the whole article in Urdu at the following link or attached:
http://moveforjustice.org/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/700/Default.aspx
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Really bad what happened...frightening to think that even the deceased don't get any peace with all of the current carrying on in Pak!
 
deviously~fading~away said:
what i find very weird to say the least is seeing people crying like there is no tommorow! Its sad (don't get me wrong) but talk about going over the top!
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lol im with you for that one,pakistan is becoming iraq man
 
Some of these people in pakistan have lost it there bombing up everything man why dont they get a life and leave pakistan to peace man they take the ****
 
I feel really sorry for her family, particularly kids. There could never have been a worse news than this for them.

Poor BB, when she came over to Pakistan little did she know her life will be numbered to two months, one week and one day :( .

Rest in peace BB.
 
May Allah forgive her and our sins and may she rest in peace, ameen.

Sad day. :(
 
sad day. I still remember the day when she was assassinated.

Feel sorry for her kids.

Also feel sorry for Zardari aswell. Alot of people blamed him for the kiling of his wife, like ***? Wonder how others would feel, if one blamed them for the death of one of there relatives.

I still remember some retard molvis feeling happy about the news of Benazanir's assassination :facepalm:
 
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Fine song to remember her

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RIP BB.
 
A shocking day for Pakistan, not a supporter of Bhutto but she did not deserve to die like that. PPP played the shaheed card after that and has put Pakistan through a disastrous tenure of PPP government. The second time an assassination of a Prime Minister has occurred in that park in Rawalpindi, Liaquat Ali Khan and then Bhutto.
 
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It has been 5 long & hard (for us Jiyala's) years. **sigh**

A courageous woman who is sorely missed.

May her soul rest in peace.
 
Oh that time of the year again...anywayz Allah Maghfirat kare

The 'Dynasty' will continue with Bilawal 'entering politics' tomorrow (though of course the date used and the fact it's just before the elections is a mere co-incidence).
 
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Pakistan will be owned by Zardari and his friends. Law can never catch him so someone has to do it.
 
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161 said:
what next ... some new leader must rise from the ranks of the PPP ..

who are the possibilities ?

should Imran merge his party with the PPP and run from PM ?
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how time changes
 
ahsan88 said:
It has been 5 long & hard (for us Jiyala's) years. **sigh**

A courageous woman who is sorely missed.

May her soul rest in peace.
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Although may she RIP, but I doubt she will be missed. She has played a big role in making sure Pakistan is in the miserable state which it is today.
 
KARACHI: Slain former premier Benazir Bhutto’s fifth death anniversary is all set to be a grand occasion for the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) – and many people are willing to attend commemorations at any cost.

Some are even willing to pay as much as Rs92,000 for a return flight on a private jet from Karachi to Sukkur, located close to Garhi Khuda Bux, where commemorations will begin today (Thursday).
One private company, Princely Jets, will have its first flight take off today, flying a select number of passengers. It will return to Karachi in the evening, and will take out more flights to Sukkur based on demand.

Ghouse Akbar, a director at Akbar Group which owns Princely Jets, said it was too early to say how many seats will be sold during the operation, which was to continue from Wednesday through Friday. “Right now we are trying to gauge the market response,” he added.
While thousands of die-hard PPP activists will be travelling from all over the country to visit the Bhutto family’s graveyard in Larkana, most will be using cheaper private transport, including coach and bus services.

Pakistan International Airlines (PIA), which operated special flights last year on the occasion, will not be doing so this year. Routine flights to Larkana have been able to meet the demand. PIA runs a daily flight between Karachi and Mohenjo Daro except on Wednesdays.

Princely Jets, however, has always focused on corporate clients and “high net worth” individuals. “We are using one jet for this particular service,” Akbar explained.

Pakistan’s aviation authorities have struggled to promote private jet services despite an improvement in the rural economy, after which they expected more people to start using the service.

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has at least 20 charter companies registered, with a total of 85 aircraft. But industry experts say that most of these companies exist only on paper. JS Air, another chartered aircraft company, wrapped up its operations earlier in the year leaving just three other charter carriers – Princely Jets, Schon Air and Aircraft Sales and Services.

CAA’s former director general Junaid Amin said private jet services flourish along with foreign investment, which has plummeted in Pakistan over the years.

“We have a completely different kind of elite,” he said. “The ‘super rich’ here are not concerned about time. They have a lot of time and not much work. I am talking about landlords. They love to travel long distances in big cars with an entourage of guards.” Amin was explaining why the service was not as profitable as expected.

He added that multinational companies are the biggest customers for chartered air service providers. “But having just a handful of private jets doesn’t mean we don’t have rich people. It is just the mindset, which might change in the coming years,” Amin said.
Published in The Express Tribune, December 27th, 2012.


Bilawal Bhutto`s political career is also being launched and some big announcements are expected to be made . :zardari

Big announcement guess # 1 : Quaid e Azam appeared in Zardari`s dream on the 25th and now Zardari is selling his assets to pay off Pakistan`s loan
Big announcement guess # 2 : PPP will be honest to Pakistan
Big announcement guess # 3 : Bhuttos give up on politics
Big announcement guess # 4 : None of the above
 
^ True man. One of the most stupid nations in the world.

Now, after massive corruption and misgovernance, they will vote for Bilawal.
 
Do you think the majority of pakistanis are doing a shirk after following their political leaders like they are like sort of immortal God? I mean, an average pakistani feels more fear from their leaders than from their actual God? Kind of funny how similar their behavior has been to their old neighbors , Indians in terms of following Buddas/people. etc
 
Interesting comments.

Somebody said now PPP has no chance of winning the elections.
 
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King-Misbah said:
She was no better then Nawaz and Zardari.
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I don't underrstand why people in Pakistan want to support a 'political dynasty'. I mean why would you support someone just because he or she is the son or daughter of the leader of the party? Why not choose someone who is competent to do the job?
 
Bewal Express said:
Coming from such a political dynasty why did she need the money. Wasn't the honour of shaping the destiny of your country enough
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She was greedy and arrogant. Watched many of her old interviews and found her to be very self obsessed. The poor people were fooled by her appearances. Bhuttos were morally ethically corrupt since day 1.
 
Amirforpresident said:
I don't underrstand why people in Pakistan want to support a 'political dynasty'. I mean why would you support someone just because he or she is the son or daughter of the leader of the party? Why not choose someone who is competent to do the job?
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In a society with illiteracy, criminality and imperfect information name recognition is everything. You know a country is in trouble where NS or AZ will always beat someone like Edhi
 
A great leader was killed that day. Still remember it

The jalsa was just a walk away from my house.
Still avidly remember how the road was cleaned with water in a matter of hours

A brave women she was!

PPP should had atleast bothered to find her killers, even after getting the government. That was a big let down.

If there is any justice in this world, atleast a certain hamid gul died few years ago.
 
I dont know if she was good or not but her murderer is still living freely and living it large!!
 
aukhan said:
She was greedy and arrogant. Watched many of her old interviews and found her to be very self obsessed. The poor people were fooled by her appearances. Bhuttos were morally ethically corrupt since day 1.
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Poor people are always fooled by appearance, that is why PR plays such an important role in today's politics. Benazir had a top English education, beautiful, and belonged to a famous family, not dissimilar to our own royal lineage in Britain.
 
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PPP did nothing to catch her killer even though they were in power for 5 damn years. Doesnt that beg the question, ‘was the killer from PPP’?
 
Major said:
A great leader was killed that day. Still remember it

The jalsa was just a walk away from my house.
Still avidly remember how the road was cleaned with water in a matter of hours

A brave women she was!

PPP should had atleast bothered to find her killers, even after getting the government. That was a big let down.

If there is any justice in this world, atleast a certain hamid gul died few years ago.
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I am not sure where this greater leader label is given to her as she was as corrupt as the the PPP of today with its economic destruction of Sindh through billions laundered by her husband and son but i do agree we should have got to the bottom of who killed her.
 
gazza619 said:
PPP did nothing to catch her killer even though they were in power for 5 damn years. Doesnt that beg the question, ‘was the killer from PPP’?
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Does anyone even know who PPP are supposed to represent? I had no idea who MQM and Altaf bhai were other than they were based in Karachi.
 
Stewie said:
I dont know if she was good or not but her murderer is still living freely and living it large!!
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na the murderer died eventually on August 17 2015. Atleast he did suffer a hemorrhage.
 
Bewal Express said:
Who has benefited from her death the most?
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This is a very stupid logic.

Yes, Zardari is corrupt and what not, but you cannot label him for her death, there is no evidence to proof it.

Thing is, this was done from someone in the higher ups.
Remember, Hameed Gul was still a powerful person and the only guy to had outlived everyone!

The biggest give away here was the cleaning up of the crime scene.

I lived in Arya mohalla, just infront of liaqut bagh. When the assassination took place, there was a complete blackout for a few hours.

And by night, they called in a water tanker and got the whole crime scene cleaned.

Zardari wasn't that powerful enough to get a crime scene clean! This was only possible by someone in the govt or a certain ISI personality.
 
It was unfortunate in the way she died, but let's not paint her as an angel. During her reign she allowed her husband to earn billions in commissions and kickbacks. She also is directly responsible for the power crisis which we are bearing for the last decade or so, since her government focused on IPPs based on expensive furnace oil. She was another one of those corrupt wadera class who purposefully keep people poor and illiterate so that they can continue ruling. Don't believe me just look at her ancestral home ; Garhi Khuda Baksh; and the state of the people living around there.
 
gazza619 said:
PPP did nothing to catch her killer even though they were in power for 5 damn years. Doesnt that beg the question, ‘was the killer from PPP’?
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Every time a bhutto has died, people have always tried to put the blame on someone in the family.
 
Major said:
This is a very stupid logic.

Yes, Zardari is corrupt and what not, but you cannot label him for her death, there is no evidence to proof it.

Thing is, this was done from someone in the higher ups.
Remember, Hameed Gul was still a powerful person and the only guy to had outlived everyone!

The biggest give away here was the cleaning up of the crime scene.

I lived in Arya mohalla, just infront of liaqut bagh. When the assassination took place, there was a complete blackout for a few hours.

And by night, they called in a water tanker and got the whole crime scene cleaned.

Zardari wasn't that powerful enough to get a crime scene clean! This was only possible by someone in the govt or a certain ISI personality.
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And there is no evidence to blame it on Hameed Gul either like you are doing. At the time when she was assassinated, Hameed Gull was just a disgruntled retired General who was very critical of the Army's policies at the time. He had no power whatsoever to carry out anything. These kind of theories are laughable at best.
 
Major said:
This is a very stupid logic.

Yes, Zardari is corrupt and what not, but you cannot label him for her death, there is no evidence to proof it.

Thing is, this was done from someone in the higher ups.
Remember, Hameed Gul was still a powerful person and the only guy to had outlived everyone!

The biggest give away here was the cleaning up of the crime scene.

I lived in Arya mohalla, just infront of liaqut bagh. When the assassination took place, there was a complete blackout for a few hours.

And by night, they called in a water tanker and got the whole crime scene cleaned.

Zardari wasn't that powerful enough to get a crime scene clean! This was only possible by someone in the govt or a certain ISI personality.
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No more than your calling her a great leader when the whole family have looted with both hands. As far as who benefited- well if it wasn't​ him, he had 5 years to find out and he couldn't care less, that alone is more than suspicious.
 
Bewal Express said:
No more than your calling her a great leader when the whole family have looted with both hands. As far as who benefited- well if it wasn't​ him, he had 5 years to find out and he couldn't care less, that alone is more than suspicious.
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You are right.

He had 5 years and he couldnt care less.

And if he had atleast done that, that would had been enough for his party to win the next election that took place. Finding benazirs killer would had helped ppp alot.

And i would had agreed that zardari killed her had the crime scene not been white washed
 
The fact that people are reminiscing of her a some pristine leader just goes to
show the state of the Pakistani populace.

“To the living we own respect, but to the dead we own only the truth”. ~ Voltaire
 
Major said:
You are right.

He had 5 years and he couldnt care less.

And if he had atleast done that, that would had been enough for his party to win the next election that took place. Finding benazirs killer would had helped ppp alot.

And i would had agreed that zardari killed her had the crime scene not been white washed
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Both Musharraf and Zardari could have been involved as both were beneficiaries of that incident. Anyways, we can only speculate.
 
Major said:
You are right.

He had 5 years and he couldnt care less.

And if he had atleast done that, that would had been enough for his party to win the next election that took place. Finding benazirs killer would had helped ppp alot.

And i would had agreed that zardari killed her had the crime scene not been white washed
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AZ was enjoying life until the earthquake of the JIT report hit.

Btw for someone who is a PPP supporter, why have you avoided even making a comment on the JIT report?
 
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Pakistan was a bonafide basket case in 2007/8, as evidenced by the sentiments on the first couple of pages of this thread.

Currently they seem much more stable, politically and otherwise.
 
BB assasinstion was the result of a shady deal amongst the top corruot echelons of political power involving Zerdari, Nawaz and Mushy. The idea was to get her out and let PPP and Zerdari take over using the sympsthy vote. The heat on Mushy was too much at the time and he wanted out without any repercussions. Nawaz made a deal he wont interfere with zerdaris loot maar for five years, at the end of which he will get his turn.

All of that came true.. Mushy never faced the consequences of his serious crimes... and unconstitutional take over. Zerdari and his goons broke all sorts of corruption records during their turn at bat and quietly lost to PMLN and then it was the Sharifs to continue their loot maar. And during all this ine, they ensured that the most honest party had zero chance of winning anything.

It all started with BB’s murder.. and yes the triggerman was caught but the real culprits will never be punished and they are still out there!
 
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