Best countries to live in outside of UK?

[KingKhanWC]

I think the UK is a bit of dump now. The infrastructure is very old, backdated inc public transport and the road system.

Hospitals are no better than those in 3rd world nations. Some towns with a hundreds of thousands of people don't have a hospital with a maternity ward.

Schools are over stretched, 1 teacher to upto 25-30 pupils. Going to uni will put you in massive debt now.

Policing, it's a just a joke.

Jobs - Yes there are many jobs in the UK but it's only great if you need one.


For me it would have to be Europe because it will allow me to fly back to watch Liverpool FC. I

Holland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Denmark , Norway, Sweden, Finland are the most advanced and modern nations in the world.

Which one would you move to if you wanted out of ex-Great Britain?

 

[Abdul]

Canada but only if you live near a major city like Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think there are many jobs elsewhere.

If I was to live anywhere else I'd move to Switzerland.

Would never live in an Asian country.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Canada but only if you live near a major city like Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think there are many jobs elsewhere.

If I was to live anywhere else I'd move to Switzerland.

Would never live in an Asian country.

Canada seems great, need to visit for sure.

How clean are the streets? litter etc?

Public transport?

Tbf there are Asian nations which have better infrastructure than the UK now! Korea, Singapore etc but I wouldn't move there either.

 

[Pakpak]

Canada, my other half is from Canada so maybe I am biased. But I have lived in UK, Europe, Middle East, Pakistan and have been to Canada a few times so it gets my vote.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Canada, my other half is from Canada so maybe I am biased. But I have lived in UK, Europe, Middle East, Pakistan and have been to Canada a few times so it gets my vote.

Have you considered moving to Canada with her? Or is it tough due to personal reasons, family etc? What did you like the most?

 

[Pakpak]

Have you considered moving to Canada with her? Or is it tough due to personal reasons, family etc? What did you like the most?

One day I hope so. I just liked the good laid back vibe. I didn't feel out of place as a brown person, I have lived in UK in a very white area so maybe my experiences sometimes haven't been great. Career wise as well I know a few doctors who have moved there from the UK so its an appeal to me. Only sad thing is I wouldn't be able to go see Arsenal regularly. Though right now I suppose that's a blessing.....

I have had the good fortune of living in a few places. I made a long post about it once but I am afraid I shared too much personal information

 

[KingKhanWC]

One day I hope so. I just liked the good laid back vibe. I didn't feel out of place as a brown person, I have lived in UK in a very white area so maybe my experiences sometimes haven't been great. Career wise as well I know a few doctors who have moved there from the UK so its an appeal to me. Only sad thing is I wouldn't be able to go see Arsenal regularly. Though right now I suppose that's a blessing.....

I have had the good fortune of living in a few places. I made a long post about it once but I am afraid I shared too much personal information

Haha, im the same. Not being able to watch Liverpool is a major concern.

Fair enough bro. I think living in various places in your life gives you so much understanding of others and the world in general.

 

[Minnowbasher]

The UK is the best non desi country to live in for desis with Canada a close second.
Here in UK there are asians and especially Pakistanis in pretty much every city and in the big cities like Manchester and Birmingham Pakistanis are up to nearly 10 to 15% of the population.
Depends what your looking for though but to me the UK has everything other than good weather.


City life
Countryside
Desis
Completely white areas (if u dont wanna live near desis)

 

[WC-Passion]

Japan has really clean streets and great public transport systems, if that's what you're looking for. The language barrier is a bit of an issue though.

I think if I didn't live in the UK I'd move to Canada or New Zealand. Two nice countries with a laid back population and a government that doesn't make you want to rip your hair out.

 

[Pakpak]

Haha, im the same. Not being able to watch Liverpool is a major concern.

Fair enough bro. I think living in various places in your life gives you so much understanding of others and the world in general.

I have been to Anfield a lot of times whenever Arsenal played (sadly I have been present at a lot of our humiliations from 8-2 at United to Anfield thrashings, maybe I am not a good luck for our away form ) I haven't been to Anfield last 2-3 years, its a blessing I think

 

[Pakpak]

Japan has really clean streets and great public transport systems, if that's what you're looking for. The language barrier is a bit of an issue though.

I think if I didn't live in the UK I'd move to Canada or New Zealand. Two nice countries with a laid back population and a government that doesn't make you want to rip your hair out.

How do the Japanese treat Asians there?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The UK is the best non desi country to live in for desis with Canada a close second.
Here in UK there are asians and especially Pakistanis in pretty much every city and in the big cities like Manchester and Birmingham Pakistanis are up to nearly 10 to 15% of the population.
Depends what your looking for though but to me the UK has everything other than good weather.


City life
Countryside
Desis
Completely white areas (if u dont wanna live near desis)

Outdated and backward infrastructure. Most cities and towns are full of litter now. These two are my most important issues when living in a place.

Japan has really clean streets and great public transport systems, if that's what you're looking for. The language barrier is a bit of an issue though.

I think if I didn't live in the UK I'd move to Canada or New Zealand. Two nice countries with a laid back population and a government that doesn't make you want to rip your hair out.

NZ looks amazing. The people seem so civilised and liberal. No football though?

I have been to Anfield a lot of times whenever Arsenal played (sadly I have been present at a lot of our humiliations from 8-2 at United to Anfield thrashings, maybe I am not a good luck for our away form ) I haven't been to Anfield last 2-3 years, its a blessing I think

Haha I need to go back to the Emirates, wasn't easy watching LFC playing the invincible. Now a different story

 

[Abdul]

Canada seems great, need to visit for sure.

How clean are the streets? litter etc?

Public transport?

Tbf there are Asian nations which have better infrastructure than the UK now! Korea, Singapore etc but I wouldn't move there either.

The streets are clean, no litter, however there is a massive homelessness problem in Downtown Toronto. You'll spot crackheads sleeping on the sidewalk

The roads are a nightmare. Driving to the Downtown sucks because there's way too much congestion on the highway so most people use public transportation to commute. Housing is an another big problem here because the prices are ridiculous. They make me want to smash my head against a wall.

I've only taken public transportation in Toronto and it's very good, but far from perfect. I would be lying if I said there are no delays occasionally but they're to be expected in any major city but I think it's reliable around 85% of the times.

 

[WC-Passion]

NZ looks amazing. The people seem so civilised and liberal. No football though?

Yeah, a really good option. NZ is more focused on Rugby and Cricket, football isn't big there unfortunately.

How do the Japanese treat Asians there?

Better than the Chinese do, that's for sure. Even so, it's not the best. Media portrayal of Pakistanis is about as bad as it is in the UK. The Japanese public is on the older side and stereo-typically seen as xenophobic, but everyone has different experiences.

 

[Abdul]

The streets are clean, no litter, however there is a massive homelessness problem in Downtown Toronto. You'll spot crackheads sleeping on the sidewalk

The roads are a nightmare. Driving to the Downtown sucks because there's way too much congestion on the highway so most people use public transportation to commute. Housing is an another big problem here because the prices are ridiculous. They make me want to smash my head against a wall.

I've only taken public transportation in Toronto and it's very good, but far from perfect. I would be lying if I said there are no delays occasionally but they're to be expected in any major city but I think it's reliable around 85% of the times.

I once had a crackhead ask me for change on the subway and when I told him I didn't have anything on me he got livid and started shouting obscenities

 

[minamino]

Go to Ireland. Or UAE. Its a new favourite for a lot of people.

 

[Danyaalr01]

If you want a stress free, relaxed life with no worries whatsoever about security and with good weather, then New Zealand is the best place in the world.

I'm in USA right now and it is so dirty in comparison, people are way more rude, plus there are a bunch of dodgy people and scammers everywhere. New York was nice though. There's no such thing as laid back and relaxing here either.

Auckland is very multicultural and it is relatively difficult to get immigration here, so we have the best of the best of humans.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The streets are clean, no litter, however there is a massive homelessness problem in Downtown Toronto. You'll spot crackheads sleeping on the sidewalk

The roads are a nightmare. Driving to the Downtown sucks because there's way too much congestion on the highway so most people use public transportation to commute. Housing is an another big problem here because the prices are ridiculous. They make me want to smash my head against a wall.

I've only taken public transportation in Toronto and it's very good, but far from perfect. I would be lying if I said there are no delays occasionally but they're to be expected in any major city but I think it's reliable around 85% of the times.

Why aren't the police cracking down on the crack? Canada is huge, so not sure why houses are so expensive, plenty of land to build on.

If you want a stress free, relaxed life with no worries whatsoever about security and with good weather, then New Zealand is the best place in the world.

I'm in USA right now and it is so dirty in comparison, people are way more rude, plus there are a bunch of dodgy people and scammers everywhere. New York was nice though. There's no such thing as laid back and relaxing here either.

Auckland is very multicultural and it is relatively difficult to get immigration here, so we have the best of the best of humans.

Great point. The people around you matter so much. I was so impressed by the Kiwis after the horrific mosque attack, I have moved NZ right up towards the top of my list. NZ people seem like those in liberal north Europe towns. If I can see some cricket it will be nice too.

 

[Technics 1210]

Pakistan.

 

[moghul]

Canada but only if you live near a major city like Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think there are many jobs elsewhere.

If I was to live anywhere else I'd move to Switzerland.

Would never live in an Asian country.

Canada ? Why you would live in such a cold weather .

 

[KingKhanWC]

UK has some amazing people, friendly, willing to help. It's also nice to speak to people from various backgrounds.

However there is a large minority of underclass people from all communities.

If you walk around in London, 1 out 50 will smile or be considerate. If you ask for help, directions or in a shop , some will help others will not at all. I was on a train the other day, a elderly lady needed help with her luggage but people were just ignoring here, until I turned up.

In the UK 8 out 10 people will not intervene if someone is buying abused.

The worst is the old people and the younger ones who think they live in the days of Empire , deluded fools. They need to travel out of their little towns or cities to wake up and see Empire is long gone.

 

[moghul]

With few exceptions, over all USA is the best country to live, particularly if you're living in suburban area of a big city, like I live in NJ, close to New York, Philadelphia and beaches. Very low crime rate, best school system, not too cold ( compared to Canada) , but taxes are high in NJ, but much better than Europe. Beautiful area, very green and people are really nice.

 

[KingKhanWC]

With few exceptions, over all USA is the best country to live, particularly if you're living in suburban area of a big city, like I live in NJ, close to New York, Philadelphia and beaches. Very low crime rate, best school system, not too cold ( compared to Canada) , but taxes are high in NJ, but much better than Europe. Beautiful area, very green and people are really nice.

Ive not been to the US but im a planning a road trip.

New Jersey has low crime?

I just don't think I could live in a country with so many rednecks, a president like Trump and a nation where the sports are just rubbish apart from basketball.

 

[JaDed]

As a Indian , it would be Canada great food,less discrimination, easier to fit into , as an ambitious brown person it would be USA.

Retirement is when NZ would even come in the picture.

 

[JaDed]

With few exceptions, over all USA is the best country to live, particularly if you're living in suburban area of a big city, like I live in NJ, close to New York, Philadelphia and beaches. Very low crime rate, best school system, not too cold ( compared to Canada) , but taxes are high in NJ, but much better than Europe. Beautiful area, very green and people are really nice.

Quality of life wrt to family is better in Canada. And defn not the best school system, how did you come to that conclusion?

USA is great for couple or bachelor life defn not the best for families, so much to get corrupted easily, schools have terrible food , pizza is classified as a vegetable coz of tomato sauce.

 

[moghul]

Quality of life wrt to family is better in Canada. And defn not the best school system, how did you come to that conclusion?

USA is great for couple or bachelor life defn not the best for families, so much to get corrupted easily, schools have terrible food , pizza is classified as a vegetable coz of tomato sauce.

That shows your lack of knowledge about NJ and USA, or you just don't like USA .

I live not too far from NYC, I'm married with kids. School is great in my town and there are so many college/universities close by, some best in the world, like Princeton, Columbia and UPenn. Crime rate is extremely low in my town, you leave the house unlocked for week and no one will touch it. Very versatile state, nice people, not much discrimination for Indians-Pakistanis. Yes, there are areas in NJ with high crime rate though.

 

[ahsan17]

Canada ? Why you would live in such a cold weather .

Many of the US cities considered great places to live (e.g. New York, Chicago, Phili) have similar weather to Toronto.

Chicago in particular has the same weather as Toronto. New York and Phili might be a tad less cold, but the difference isn't significant enough that most people will notice.

And all of them are actually colder than Vancouver.

 

[ahsan17]

That shows your lack of knowledge about NJ and USA, or you just don't like USA .

I live not too far from NYC, I'm married with kids. School is great in my town and there are so many college/universities close by, some best in the world, like Princeton, Columbia and UPenn. Crime rate is extremely low in my town, you leave the house unlocked for week and no one will touch it. Very versatile state, nice people, not much discrimination for Indians-Pakistanis. Yes, there are areas in NJ with high crime rate though.

Crime rate in the US is good and places and bad in places. Here's what I would say US fares worse in when comparing to Canada:

1) Canada has free healthcare, US healthcare system is quite archaic
2) Canada doesn't have a gun problem
3) Universities are significantly cheaper in Canada, with similar quality of education
4) Medicine is significantly cheaper
5) School district quality isn't based on income in the area
6) Less inequality
7) Less crime in general (just based on statistics)

Things Canada fares worse in:

1) You can earn higher income in the US in certain sectors
2) Immigrants usually finds job much more easily in the US
3) Groceries and some other things are cheaper

 

[Captain caveman]

There is not a single country in the world which is just right(not perfect) just right to live in. Either the country is too hot, too cold, too much crime, too much racism, not having good employment prospects, too expensive etc etc.
In my opinion for english speaking asians, you really have the following choices :
Uk
Cananda
NZ
Australia

Australia is too hot and racist
NZ is too cold, racist and prone to devastating earthquakes.
Canada is too cold, too expensive and for such a large country, only.has a couple cities that are viable to live in.
Uk is is small, overcrowded, dirty, expensive.
I left out the old US of A because you have to be a real special case of stupid to want to live there.

And thats your choice, in fact, its not YOUR choice,.its the countries choice if they let you in.

 

[ahsan17]

Canada but only if you live near a major city like Toronto or Vancouver. I don't think there are many jobs elsewhere.

That is certainly not true. Most Pakistani immigrants in Canada have not lived too much outside GTA, I've only ever lived outside GTA. It depends on your sector. Waterloo region has a lot of jobs in tech, so do Montreal and Ottawa. In Windsor you have a ton of people working in Detroit area as nurses and engineers. Can't speak for Alberta or Saskatchewan too much as I've never lived there, but a lot of people that move to Ontario from those provinces (or vice versa) mention that those provinces have high paying jobs. However, those provinces are much colder than Ontario.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Uk has the old world charm and very beautiful countryside. People to most part are polite and considerate but at the same time the infrastructure is outdated, economic prospects grim and the cities are congested and dirty.

The main thing i ve felt in the UK is that most ppl ve a high opinion of themselves (superiority complex) and often give the impression that they are on a higher pedestal. May be its just the way UK society is but it comes across as awkward for those not familiar with this kind of attitude

 

[Syed1]

LOL at folks saying Canada.


Kabhi ao na Feb mein khusboo laga ke


Also rents and cost of living in Toronto and Vancouver are through the roof. If you are in tech then Ottawa is amazing. High pay scales, cheap rents, easy to buy houses and minimal traffic. Only issue is city is kind of dead.

Montreal combines good parts of both Ottawa and Toronto, but half the folks there are a tad racist towards algophones and you need to know how to speak French to get anywhere in your career.


If it were upto me, I'll move to a warmer place but one that has a thriving tech industry since that's my career path. California is a good option but you can slave away from dawn to dusk there and hardly make enough to afford a middle class standard of living.


Dubai, Malaysia, Australia and Singapore are defo places I'd love to live long term in.

 

[moghul]

There is not a single country in the world which is just right(not perfect) just right to live in. Either the country is too hot, too cold, too much crime, too much racism, not having good employment prospects, too expensive etc etc.
In my opinion for english speaking asians, you really have the following choices :
Uk
Cananda
NZ
Australia

Australia is too hot and racist
NZ is too cold, racist and prone to devastating earthquakes.
Canada is too cold, too expensive and for such a large country, only.has a couple cities that are viable to live in.
Uk is is small, overcrowded, dirty, expensive.
I left out the old US of A because you have to be a real special case of stupid to want to live there.

And thats your choice, in fact, its not YOUR choice,.its the countries choice if they let you in.

That's the typical response from someone who could not get visa for US.

 

[moghul]

Crime rate in the US is good and places and bad in places. Here's what I would say US fares worse in when comparing to Canada:

1) Canada has free healthcare, US healthcare system is quite archaic
2) Canada doesn't have a gun problem
3) Universities are significantly cheaper in Canada, with similar quality of education
4) Medicine is significantly cheaper
5) School district quality isn't based on income in the area
6) Less inequality
7) Less crime in general (just based on statistics)

Things Canada fares worse in:

1) You can earn higher income in the US in certain sectors
2) Immigrants usually finds job much more easily in the US
3) Groceries and some other things are cheaper

Please see how many USA universities are in top 25 in world ranking I don;t see any Canadian university here. Many of these top ranked universities are in driving distance from me.

https://cwur.org/2018-19.php

Healthcare is cheaper in Canada, you're right but quality is no where near close to USA. I know as I'm in this profession and have been to Canada to attend medical conference.

Canada;s crime rate is much better than USA.

Above all, too cold to live, for me .

 

[Romali_rotti]

Come to Australia Bro, let's settle this India/Pakistan/Kashmir/BJP/RSS/Hindutva/Imran Khan issues for good.

 

[moghul]

Ive not been to the US but im a planning a road trip.

New Jersey has low crime?

I just don't think I could live in a country with so many rednecks, a president like Trump and a nation where the sports are just rubbish apart from basketball.

New Jersey has some towns with high crime rate but overall in better areas very low crime rate.

 

[Abdul]

That is certainly not true. Most Pakistani immigrants in Canada have not lived too much outside GTA, I've only ever lived outside GTA. It depends on your sector. Waterloo region has a lot of jobs in tech, so do Montreal and Ottawa. In Windsor you have a ton of people working in Detroit area as nurses and engineers. Can't speak for Alberta or Saskatchewan too much as I've never lived there, but a lot of people that move to Ontario from those provinces (or vice versa) mention that those provinces have high paying jobs. However, those provinces are much colder than Ontario.

Ah yes, Waterloo has lots of jobs in tech. I lived there from 2010-2014 before moving to Brampton

The city is kind of dead though. It's only lively on St. Patrick's day, but Ezra Avenue is just something else on that day.

 

[ahsan17]

Please see how many USA universities are in top 25 in world ranking I don;t see any Canadian university here. Many of these top ranked universities are in driving distance from me.

https://cwur.org/2018-19.php

For most people the goal is to go to a good university that's affordable. They are not necessarily interested in going to Harvard or MIT.

Healthcare is cheaper in Canada, you're right but quality is no where near close to USA. I know as I'm in this profession and have been to Canada to attend medical conference.

One medical conference isn't an indicator. The US healthcare system has consistently been ranked last among developed countries, below Canada, by independent organizations throughout the globe. So this "quality is better" argument doesn't make sense either. It's literally the top issue in the democratic primaries. Let me put it this way:

1) No one in Canada is starting a GoFundMe so they can do a surgery
2) No one in Canada is stopping themselves from calling an ambulance because they might not be able to afford it
3) No one in Canada is rationing their health issues so that they have enough health issues so that it costs more than the deductible and the insurance company actually pays.
4) No one in Canada has to call an insurance company or is negotiating with an insurance provider to make sure what they want to do is convered
5) Nearly 1/3 of Canadians are not uninsured or underinsured.
6) No one in Canada stops themselves from starting a business because their insurance might go away if they leave their company
7) No one in Canada is going bankrupt because of healtb issues

Now, if you are rich in the US and have great employer paid health care, yes you might have better health care. But that's not the case for the majority. Canadian healthcare system is more equitable, so yes if you are rich it might not be as good for you. However, in 4/5 cases Canadian system will do as good or better.

The US health system is quite literally antiquated and needs to be brought into the 21st century like other developed countries. Literally all my relatives in the US hate them system and from my time in the US it was far inferior to what Canada offers.

Above all, too cold to live, for me .

As mentioned, the places in the US you mentioned are not significantly different in terms of weather.

 

[Abdul]

Why aren't the police cracking down on the crack? Canada is huge, so not sure why houses are so expensive, plenty of land to build on.




Great point. The people around you matter so much. I was so impressed by the Kiwis after the horrific mosque attack, I have moved NZ right up towards the top of my list. NZ people seem like those in liberal north Europe towns. If I can see some cricket it will be nice too.

The reason why houses cost so much is because most of the jobs are in Toronto and the homeowners try to take advantage of this fact. The prices get better the farther away you go from Toronto.

Police is trying to do what they can however it's a widespread problem.

 

[Captain caveman]

Uk has the old world charm and very beautiful countryside. People to most part are polite and considerate but at the same time the infrastructure is outdated, economic prospects grim and the cities are congested and dirty.

The main thing i ve felt in the UK is that most ppl ve a high opinion of themselves (superiority complex) and often give the impression that they are on a higher pedestal. May be its just the way UK society is but it comes across as awkward for those not familiar with this kind of attitude

Its because we brits started the industrial revolution that has shaped the world today!
We are no longer the greatest empire in the world the US has taken that lead for about the last 100 years, but our legacy is unmatched by any nation in the history of the world. And when you look at the size of us, a small tiny island, makes our achievements even more impressive.

So we are brought up with this superiorority complex, sorry if that offends you!

 

[ahsan17]

Ah yes, Waterloo has lots of jobs in tech. I lived there from 2010-2014 before moving to Brampton

The city is kind of dead though. It's only lively on St. Patrick's day, but Ezra Avenue is just something else on that day.

It depends. It's a great city for families, and I personally preferred it over Toronto. Much cheaper than Toronto, way less traffic, and if you want to go to Toronto it's only about an hour. Best of both worlds IMO, but it's not for everyone.

I still think we need to be careful telling people that there are very few jobs outside GTA or Vancouver. There are more than enough jobs in other cities, however they don't have jobs in every sector. You need to do research and see which city fits your profession.

 

[Abdul]

Kabhi ao na Feb mein khusboo laga ke

What's happening in February?

 

[Abdul]

It depends. It's a great city for families, and I personally preferred it over Toronto. Much cheaper than Toronto, way less traffic, and if you want to go to Toronto it's only about an hour. Best of both worlds IMO, but it's not for everyone.

I still think we need to be careful telling people that there are very few jobs outside GTA or Vancouver. There are more than enough jobs in other cities, however they don't have jobs in every sector. You need to do research and see which city fits your profession.

Do you live elsewhere now or?

 

[Captain caveman]

The reason why houses cost so much is because most of the jobs are in Toronto and the homeowners try to take advantage of this fact. The prices get better the farther away you go from Toronto.

Police is trying to do what they can however it's a widespread problem.

Same story in london.

 

[Captain caveman]

This thread is depressing!

 

[Knight_Rider]

Its because we brits started the industrial revolution that has shaped the world today!
We are no longer the greatest empire in the world the US has taken that lead for about the last 100 years, but our legacy is unmatched by any nation in the history of the world. And when you look at the size of us, a small tiny island, makes our achievements even more impressive.

So we are brought up with this superiorority complex, sorry if that offends you!

I can see the sarcasm but tbh this superiority complex and the sense of entitlement has lead to the decline of Britain. Brexshit being a prime example.

Little Britain.

 

[Syed1]

What's happening in February?

Check the feels like temps and this is just the start of December.

 

[Captain caveman]

I can see the sarcasm but tbh this superiority complex and the sense of entitlement has lead to the decline of Britain. Brexshit being a prime example.

Little Britain.

There was no sarcasm, everything i said was true!
Brexit is essential, we only wanted a trade relationship with europe not becoming part of a united states of europe.
We are a small country and we have been flooded with europeans, especially eastern europeans, millions of them.
We dont have the space, housing, hospitals, schools, infrastructure or jobs, not to mention the toll on the benefit system for all these people.

 

[ahsan17]

Do you live elsewhere now or?

I moved to California. IMO it's not worth leaving Canada if you are going somewhere that has similar weather to Canada (e.g. states in Northern and Northeast USA), as Canada will be much better in most other things. However, once you go south, the difference in weather is quite compelling.

 

[Abdul]

I moved to California. IMO it's not worth leaving Canada if you are going somewhere that has similar weather to Canada (e.g. states in Northern and Northeast USA), as Canada will be much better in most other things. However, once you go south, the difference in weather is quite compelling.

Nice. Are you a software developer by any chance?

 

[ahsan17]

Nice. Are you a software developer by any chance?

Yes I am.

 

[Knight_Rider]

There was no sarcasm, everything i said was true!
Brexit is essential, we only wanted a trade relationship with europe not becoming part of a united states of europe.
We are a small country and we have been flooded with europeans, especially eastern europeans, millions of them.
We dont have the space, housing, hospitals, schools, infrastructure or jobs, not to mention the toll on the benefit system for all these people.

Oh in that case, sorry to break the news to you but Brits are no better than others in-fact they only managed to create an empire because there was a power vacuum due to infighting of other european powers (and the advent of gun powder). Also physically and mentally they were inferior in the second world war thatswhy Germany despite having much less resources (and no empire to steal from) brought them down to their knees.

Lastly even if you are under the illusion of Brit supremacy, i am not sure if you are entitled to include yourself in calling it ‘our achievements’. Just enslaving for your master doesn't make you the emperor. Just look at average Brit today and you will see why Britain is in constant decline.

 

[Abdul]

Yes I am.

What's California like compared to GTA and do you work for one of the big dogs such as Facebook? I have heard that making $100,000 a year isn't enough there.

 

[Rayyman]

New Jersey has some towns with high crime rate but overall in better areas very low crime rate.

I went on road trip to Houston and I didn’t really like the Southern part of the US.

Miami and Houston are the only good Southern cities.

West USA has its pros and cons.

NYC though is by far the best in the world and I live very close in a town in Bergen County where it is urbanized, but without the cons of living in a city.

 

[Captain caveman]

Oh in that case, sorry to break the news to you but Brits are no better than others in-fact they only managed to create an empire because there was a power vacuum due to infighting of other european powers (and the advent of gun powder). Also physically and mentally they were inferior in the second world war thatswhy Germany despite having much less resources (and no empire to steal from) brought them down to their knees.

Lastly even if you are under the illusion of Brit supremacy, i am not sure if you are entitled to include yourself in calling it ‘our achievements’. Just enslaving for your master doesn't make you the emperor. Just look at average Brit today and you will see why Britain is in constant decline.

You seem bitter.
I am british born and bred.
Yes i have Pakistani heritage and incredible love for Pakistan, but that pales into insignificance for the love i have for Great Britain!
Pakistan is like the useless father who does nothing for his kids, but the kids still love him because he is their father.
Great Britain is like the loving mother who has cared and nourished and brought up her child, the love for such a mother cant be measured!
To say Britain is in decline is a bit harsh, from the dizzy heights we achieved, there was only one way left to go.and that was downwards, but we are the 4th largest economy in the world and if you look at our size compared to the US and china, thats amazing.
Nazis conquered europe and parts of africa, but never took one step in Great Britain and we kicked their *****.

Dont know where you are from, but we British are better than you! (my opinion)

 

[ahsan17]

What's California like compared to GTA and do you work for one of the big dogs such as Facebook? I have heard that making $100,000 a year isn't enough there.

I work for a large company, although it's not considered one of the top companies. 100k is workable - there are 1 br apartments with 2500 in rent, though they might not be nice. Taxes are also higher than Ontario if you are single. You will likely net about 5500 monthly if your income is 100k. One option is to have a room mate.

However, you can likely move up to 130-150k quite quickly, if you don't get that initially anyway.

One thing I'd mention, that no one told me about, is the significantly worse health care system. You pay premiums from your salary (its not taxed though), but you might still can have high deductibles, and you are limited to what doctors or hospitals you can visit. And the insurance might not be usable everywhere across the US - just depends on the plan. When doing the math on taxes, take health care spending into account, because you don't have to pay directly it in Canada.

 

[ahsan17]

What's California like compared to GTA and do you work for one of the big dogs such as Facebook? I have heard that making $100,000 a year isn't enough there.

To add to my previous post (can't edit), I'd say the better weather makes it worth it. The tech industry is also significantly larger and you have a lot more options. Commuting is a pain - traffic is really bad during rush hours, worse than GTA I'd argue.

 

[Knight_Rider]

You seem bitter.
I am british born and bred.
Yes i have Pakistani heritage and incredible love for Pakistan, but that pales into insignificance for the love i have for Great Britain!
Pakistan is like the useless father who does nothing for his kids, but the kids still love him because he is their father.
Great Britain is like the loving mother who has cared and nourished and brought up her child, the love for such a mother cant be measured!
To say Britain is in decline is a bit harsh, from the dizzy heights we achieved, there was only one way left to go.and that was downwards, but we are the 4th largest economy in the world and if you look at our size compared to the US and china, thats amazing.
Nazis conquered europe and parts of africa, but never took one step in Great Britain and we kicked their *****.

Dont know where you are from, but we British are better than you! (my opinion)

No you are not.

Brits are just like other humans around them, its this superiority complex that actually makes them inferior in their ability to see the world and be willing to compete in a level playing field.

 

[Danyaalr01]

There is not a single country in the world which is just right(not perfect) just right to live in. Either the country is too hot, too cold, too much crime, too much racism, not having good employment prospects, too expensive etc etc.
In my opinion for english speaking asians, you really have the following choices :
Uk
Cananda
NZ
Australia

Australia is too hot and racist
NZ is too cold, racist and prone to devastating earthquakes.
Canada is too cold, too expensive and for such a large country, only.has a couple cities that are viable to live in.
Uk is is small, overcrowded, dirty, expensive.
I left out the old US of A because you have to be a real special case of stupid to want to live there.

And thats your choice, in fact, its not YOUR choice,.its the countries choice if they let you in.

Auckland isn't cold or Earthquake prone. In winter the usually you will get 13 to 16 C, and min will be about 5 C and that is at night. I'm in DC and was in NYC and I was absolutely freezing and they said this isn't even cold. So Auckla d is by no means cold. Christchurch is cold and earthquake prone and more racist. I have never ever encountered racism here, never felt an Earthquake in Auckland and it never snows here.

We also have free healthcare, first year of Uni is free, and soon the 2nd year will be free too. Only drawback are houseprices.

 

[Captain caveman]

No you are not.

Brits are just like other humans around them, its this superiority complex that actually makes them inferior in their ability to see the world and be willing to compete in a level playing field.

No we genuinely believe we are better than you, whoever you are?
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but its the truth!

 

[Captain caveman]

Auckland isn't cold or Earthquake prone. In winter the usually you will get 13 to 16 C, and min will be about 5 C and that is at night. I'm in DC and was in NYC and I was absolutely freezing and they said this isn't even cold. So Auckla d is by no means cold. Christchurch is cold and earthquake prone and more racist. I have never ever encountered racism here, never felt an Earthquake in Auckland and it never snows here.

We also have free healthcare, first year of Uni is free, and soon the 2nd year will be free too. Only drawback are houseprices.

Can not earthquakes occur anywhwere in NZ, because its in the san antonia (or whatever its called) earthquake zone?
Also, do you not have problems with mauri gangs?
Christchurch has a racism problem, but i watched a youtube video of a former cop in NZ who said the problem of racism is widespread throughout NZ.
Also NZ is so remote, one of the most remote countries in the world.
Apart from this, NZ is a great country.

 

[Captain caveman]

No you are not.

Brits are just like other humans around them, its this superiority complex that actually makes them inferior in their ability to see the world and be willing to compete in a level playing field.

So you are living in surrey, england but i take it you are not British?
So you take our hospitalty and then spit in our faces, thats not cool bro!
If you get the opportunity to apply for British citizenship, do it, only then will you lose your inferiorority complex.

 

[kingusama92]

What's happening in February?

 

[KingT]

No we genuinely believe we are better than you, whoever you are?
Sorry if this hurts your feelings, but its the truth!

I cringe so much when you write these type of posts.
You're British but you're not a native Brit. So your opinion on these type of questions don't really count.

I was born and bred in Britain (South-East England) but I wouldn't go around (on the internet) saying I'm a Brit or act like I'm one because I know that I'm not a native despite me being born here.

If you're born in a stable, does that make you a horse? No it doesn't
Likewise just being born here doesn't make any of us English persay. We're just british by name not by heart.

 

[Captain caveman]

I cringe so much when you write these type of posts.
You're British but you're not a native Brit. So your opinion on these type of questions don't really count.

I was born and bred in Britain (South-East England) but I wouldn't go around (on the internet) saying I'm a Brit or act like I'm one because I know that I'm not a native despite me being born here.

If you're born in a stable, does that make you a horse? No it doesn't
Likewise just being born here doesn't make any of us English persay. We're just british by name not by heart.

Thats because YOU havennot accepted who you are, even though the British people have. This is not india, where muslims are treated like non humans by the indian government, here the british government treat us as they treat all their citizens, the same.
After 7/7 was there mass riots by white british people killing muslims like in gujrat or babri masjid episodes?
Yes there are racists in the uk and there has been an increase in islalphobia since 9/11 but these people have no authority and are criminals, who will be arrested and sent to prison for hate crimes, unlike india were the police, mlas and the government are invoved in these race riots.
Quite frankly, i feel completely accepted as a british person in britain and am proud to call myself british, if you dont then maybe you need to ask yourself why? You were born here and this is your country!

Oh by the way your quote about being born in a stable, was by bernard manning , who is of jewish immigration stock, talk about pots calling kettles etc

 

[Bosanquet]

Its because we brits started the industrial revolution that has shaped the world today!
We are no longer the greatest empire in the world the US has taken that lead for about the last 100 years, but our legacy is unmatched by any nation in the history of the world. And when you look at the size of us, a small tiny island, makes our achievements even more impressive.

So we are brought up with this superiorority complex, sorry if that offends you!

It's this living in the past with fond notions of our erstwhile imperial glories that has allowed lying charlatans to lead our nation to it's greatest peacetime disaster - aka brexit.

I agree that Britain was the richest nation on earth during the 19th century. However this was not solely built on the back of our undoubted scientific and industrial genius. The greater part of our Victorian wealth came from pillaging, looting and raping south Asia, Africa, Caribbeans, China etc etc.
The deaths due to our imperial adventures have been assessed (conservatively) at over 100 million and may be as high as 1 billion! There is NOTHING to feel superior about over this. Indeed I experience deep shame whenever it comes up in discussion with my african, pakistani or indian friends.
I could go on forever on this - it is one of my pet ug-bears. But of course, that would be way off-topic.

 

[Captain caveman]

Ah here you are doctor.

So tell me sir which empire in the history of mankind has not been built on looting, raping and pilgraging other countries?
I do not condone such things, but you cant judge history by todays morals.

If we are responsble for killing 1billion people on earth, then we are also.responsible for saving billions of lifes just from the discovery of penicillin!

And to claim brexit is the greatest peace time disaster, before it has even occurred.is incredibly arrogrant, lets judge it in 20 years time, where i believe this country will be weathier and in a vastly superior position than our eu friends.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Leaving your illusions abt greatness of British past and you having a claim to that ‘greatness’. Why do you think Britain will be better off in 20 years? What has it achieved in your life time?

In reality its a country going down the drain very quickly.

 

[Bosanquet]

You seem bitter.
I am british born and bred.
Yes i have Pakistani heritage and incredible love for Pakistan, but that pales into insignificance for the love i have for Great Britain!
Pakistan is like the useless father who does nothing for his kids, but the kids still love him because he is their father.
Great Britain is like the loving mother who has cared and nourished and brought up her child, the love for such a mother cant be measured!
To say Britain is in decline is a bit harsh, from the dizzy heights we achieved, there was only one way left to go.and that was downwards, but we are the 4th largest economy in the world and if you look at our size compared to the US and china, thats amazing.
Nazis conquered europe and parts of africa, but never took one step in Great Britain and we kicked their *****.

Dont know where you are from, but we British are better than you! (my opinion)

I cannot comment on the first part of your post as it's subjective. However you are clearly not particularly well informed where certain verifiable facts are concerned eg -

Britain is currently the 6 or 7th largest economy - the order goes USA, China, Japan, Germany, India and then France or UK. That is by nominal exchange rate values. If you work with PPP (which is a more useful indicator) then we drop to 9th.
We did not kick nazi butts for the first 4 - 5 years. We (not me personally, we are talking grandparents here) waited and held on and on while the Russians fought, fought & fought the nazis to the point of exhaustion. Then our American friends, with some help from us, canadians, aussies etc landed in Normandy to open a second front. We could not have done it but for the fact that most of Hitler's troops were committed to the eastern front.
Even in Normandy, of the 5 beaches, 2 were attacked solely by US troops and 1 by Canadian forces. A 4th was shared and it was just "Gold" beach that was landed solely by us. The only war zone where we fought largely on our own resources was in the north African theatre. Here again we had huge numbers of empire troops. Perhaps you are unaware that 2 million indians fought for Britain during WWII - the largest volunteer army in history!
And I don't consider that being born here makes me better than anyone else.

 

[Captain caveman]

I cannot comment on the first part of your post as it's subjective. However you are clearly not particularly well informed where certain verifiable facts are concerned eg -

Britain is currently the 6 or 7th largest economy - the order goes USA, China, Japan, Germany, India and then France or UK. That is by nominal exchange rate values. If you work with PPP (which is a more useful indicator) then we drop to 9th.
We did not kick nazi butts for the first 4 - 5 years. We (not me personally, we are talking grandparents here) waited and held on and on while the Russians fought, fought & fought the nazis to the point of exhaustion. Then our American friends, with some help from us, canadians, aussies etc landed in Normandy to open a second front. We could not have done it but for the fact that most of Hitler's troops were committed to the eastern front.
Even in Normandy, of the 5 beaches, 2 were attacked solely by US troops and 1 by Canadian forces. A 4th was shared and it was just "Gold" beach that was landed solely by us. The only war zone where we fought largely on our own resources was in the north African theatre. Here again we had huge numbers of empire troops. Perhaps you are unaware that 2 million indians fought for Britain during WWII - the largest volunteer army in history!
And I don't consider that being born here makes me better than anyone else.

"The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world at present, with a GDP of $2.81 trillion, according to the International Monetary Fund, but only $20 billion larger than France and $120 billion bigger than India."19 Dec 2018
Taken from the times newspaper.

Yes i know about the battles of ww2, i watch the history channel.
And the 2 million indian soilders of whom many were muslim(pre Pakistan).

The fact is no nazi set foot in Great Britain!
We invented radar in this war and destroyed the lufthansa(nazi airforce) you think that those beach landings would have ocurred if the nazi had a full airforce at its disposal?
Yes we had help from the americans, canadians, aussies , NZers and the empire countries, but it was a WORLD war, the nazis had help from italy, austria, hungary, turkey etc.

And finally doctor sahib, it is widely recognised that the greatest briton - Winston Churchill was the architect for the victory of WWII!

Never sell your country short, if indeed this is your country?

 

[Bosanquet]

Ah here you are doctor.

So tell me sir which empire in the history of mankind has not been built on looting, raping and pilgraging other countries?
I do not condone such things, but you cant judge history by todays morals.

If we are responsble for killing 1billion people on earth, then we are also.responsible for saving billions of lifes just from the discovery of penicillin!

And to claim brexit is the greatest peace time disaster, before it has even occurred.is incredibly arrogrant, lets judge it in 20 years time, where i believe this country will be weathier and in a vastly superior position than our eu friends.

No empire is innocent obviously - my point is that the British empire is NOTHING to be proud of; indeed the exact opposite. We may just be the greatest murderers in history. That is something we need to acknowledge.

And we are also responsible for some of the greatest discoveries in the history of mankind - ones that we can take great pride in.
It was an Englishman who had what is considered to be the single greatest idea that any human has ever had. It is, of course - ' origin of species by means of natural selection'.
England has also given the world it's greatest scientist - Newton.

And while you have cited penicillin, that is not the greatest English medical discovery. Indeed, penicillin mould and it's bacteriocidal properties was discovered by a Scotsman (Fleming) and the team that actually did most of the work was lead by an aussie (Howard Florey) and a German (Ernst Chaim). Subsequent antibiotics have been discovered by teams in many countries.

Probably the medical discovery that has saved the most lives is vaccination and the leading light in it's development was Edward Jenner. A lot of physicians think that he may have saved more lives than any other human in history.

If you wish to be proud of our country, try reading a bit more history, a bit more critically.

 

[Bosanquet]

"The UK is the fifth largest economy in the world at present, with a GDP of $2.81 trillion, according to the International Monetary Fund, but only $20 billion larger than France and $120 billion bigger than India."19 Dec 2018
Taken from the times newspaper.

Yes i know about the battles of ww2, i watch the history channel.
And the 2 million indian soilders of whom many were muslim(pre Pakistan).

The fact is no nazi set foot in Great Britain!
We invented radar in this war and destroyed the lufthansa(nazi airforce) you think that those beach landings would have ocurred if the nazi had a full airforce at its disposal?
Yes we had help from the americans, canadians, aussies , NZers and the empire countries, but it was a WORLD war, the nazis had help from italy, austria, hungary, turkey etc.

And finally doctor sahib, it is widely recognised that the greatest briton - Winston Churchill was the architect for the victory of WWII!

Never sell your country short, if indeed this is your country?

I suggest you check the 2019 data re GDP as published by the IMF.

The contributions and sacrifices by the Americans and particularly the Russians in the defeat of nazism were demonstrably greater that that of this country.
We did not "destroy the lufthansa". Nazis lost more planes and other material fighting on the eastern front than in France. BTW you mean LUFTWAFFE. Lufthansa is still very much in business. Flew it last summer.
What does it matter what religion the 2 million from British india were - they were not fighting for their own country. We fail to acknowledge their immense contributions to the defense of my (and your) nation and home - particularly when we perpetuate the total myth of plucky england standing alone against the nazi monster. We never did that. We always had the resources of this immense empire backing us up.
Churchill was a very clever politician, a racist and a drunkard. He was , also, very clearly the junior member of the troika formed by Roosevelt, Stalin & him. His greatest contribution was in not surrendering to Hitler & then persuading Roosevelt to join the war. After that his job was more or less done.
And I pesonally voted for Darwin in that show. I LOATHE Churchill.

 

[Captain caveman]

[MENTION=143303]Bosanquet[/MENTION]

I can see why your oversea doctors may not seem rude to you!
Firstly i am well aware of sir Alexader Flemming, and of edward jenner , and of the frenchman louie pasteur(more credit should be given to him for discovering vaccinations, when he discovered milkmaids who caught cowpox were immune to smallpox) and louie's german rival robert koch.
And no i dont think darwin came up with the greatest ever idea - evolution, a belgium monk called mendel i think did experiments on peas rough and smooth peas and discovered ginetics, not to mention a whole list of theories in physics.
And finally, i love the way, you take all the credit away from sir alexander flemming, if he had not noticed what had ocurred in that petri dish, then that dish would have been thrown away and people would not have researched it further for god knows how long, if ever!
As a doctor you should know that the biggest worry in the medical world is about penicillin.resistant bacteria such as MRSA and no new antibiotics have been discovered for 40 odd years and the risk to humans from more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics.
You should not play down this discovery. Yes vaccinations are also an important discovery, as much as penicillin, and we brits are responsible
For both. So we brits have saved billions of lives. Told you we are superior to everyone else.

 

[Captain caveman]

That's the typical response from someone who could not get visa for US.

I have never applied!
I dont see any reason any country would refuse me a visa, i am a model citizen.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Lol, at the irony.

Those who are proud of their families contributions to the Empire should realise that Just because:
- your great grand father was made to fight in a war, which he had nothing to do with.
- Used as a tool to oppress his own countrymen in subcontinent (for example).
- The fact that he had no morality to realise all that,

is a reason for being ashamed and not to be proud of. Those were Mir Jaffars of their day and you boasting about the proud achievements of your Masters makes you stand in the same pool of Traitors. Many ‘native British ppl’ are actually more honest about their past and have integrity and courage to call a spade a spade.

As for Brexit, for many pro-brexiters its about reducing competition to their dole queue.

 

[DeadBall]

We invented radar in this war and destroyed the lufthansa(nazi airforce)

And yet they still provide flights to over a 190 international destinations. What a turnaround after almost being wiped out.

 

[Bosanquet]

[MENTION=143303]Bosanquet[/MENTION]

I can see why your oversea doctors may not seem rude to you!
Firstly i am well aware of sir Alexader Flemming, and of edward jenner , and of the frenchman louie pasteur(more credit should be given to him for discovering vaccinations, when he discovered milkmaids who caught cowpox were immune to smallpox) and louie's german rival robert koch.
And no i dont think darwin came up with the greatest ever idea - evolution, a belgium monk called mendel i think did experiments on peas rough and smooth peas and discovered ginetics, not to mention a whole list of theories in physics.
And finally, i love the way, you take all the credit away from sir alexander flemming, if he had not noticed what had ocurred in that petri dish, then that dish would have been thrown away and people would not have researched it further for god knows how long, if ever!
As a doctor you should know that the biggest worry in the medical world is about penicillin.resistant bacteria such as MRSA and no new antibiotics have been discovered for 40 odd years and the risk to humans from more bacteria becoming resistant to antibiotics.
You should not play down this discovery. Yes vaccinations are also an important discovery, as much as penicillin, and we brits are responsible
For both. So we brits have saved billions of lives. Told you we are superior to everyone else.

You appear to have some interest in medicine and sciences - so please , please do some reading. Not just the History channel.

Vacccination is known to have saved far, far more lives than antibiotics. In Jenner's time 10% of UK population died from smallpox. And it was Jenner who did this work by innoculating a child called James Phipps with cowpox in 1796. Your Louis Pasteur was born in 1822 and was responsible for the germ theory of disease. He invented pasteurisation and many other things, but not immunisation against smallpox. Please don't lecture a professional on his profession - it's just not smart.

I am fully aware of our issues with antibiotics resistance and no, it's not our biggest worry. I have to prescribe them all the time and have to be aware of these issues. There are several new classes of antibiotics in development and more importantly multiple new targets for microbicidal chemicals being developed. A whole new CLASS of antibiotics was isolated last year so I don't know where you got 40 years from. The primary problem is not knowledge but rather who will fund the research.
BTW - it's not penicillin resistance that we worry about. We have dozens of antibiotics for pen resistance. MRSA = Methicillin resistant staph aureus. And we have antibiotics for that one as well.

I do not know whether Jenner's work led to "billions" saved, bit of hype there; and Fleming really did very little if anything to develop penicillin. One of the most undeserving nobels of all time. Most antibiotics were not discovered in any single country.

Mendel did early work in inherited characteristics - genetics; he did no work on evolution. Plus he was not Belgian. He was born in a place which is currently part of the Czech republic. Perhaps you are thinking about Darwins co-author Wallace. Again, a bit of reading and fact checking would be helpful.

In my experience fantasies of national superiority help various personality types to cope with their situations in life. If you are one of them then I wish you all the best with the rest of your life.

Finally I really cannot work out what you mean by your first sentence.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lol, at the irony.

Those who are proud of their families contributions to the Empire should realise that Just because:
- your great grand father was made to fight in a war, which he had nothing to do with.
- Used as a tool to oppress his own countrymen in subcontinent (for example).
- The fact that he had no morality to realise all that,

is a reason for being ashamed and not to be proud of. Those were Mir Jaffars of their day and you boasting about the proud achievements of your Masters makes you stand in the same pool of Traitors. Many ‘native British ppl’ are actually more honest about their past and have integrity and courage to call a spade a spade.

As for Brexit, for many pro-brexiters its about reducing competition to their dole queue.

You were not born in the UK. Your perspective vis-a-vis Brexit is worthless.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Lol, you dont know me. So whether my perspective is valid or not isnt upto your discretion.
Suffice to say i ve been paying UK taxes for a while now and never received a single penny for any kind of benefits.

 

[Bosanquet]

You were not born in the UK. Your perspective vis-a-vis Brexit is worthless.

I really don't wish to upset your pre-conceptions but you should know that there are many thousands of residents in this country who were not born here, are not citizens here, who hold a passport of another country but who pay taxes and have lived here for years. They are also entitled to vote in all our elections including the referendum. Hence their pespective re brexit is just as worthless (or valid) as yours or mine.
If Knight Rider happens to be a citizen of a commonwealth country and can get a BRP then he will become one of these people.