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Im not immigrating anytime soon but still wanted to know the best country to go to if you just want to live peacefully.
 
Depends on what you want and what your interests are. Also depends on how wealthy you are
 
What is special about you that you think countries are lining up to get you

Also life is not rosy abroad unless you are going there for college and/or a top job

Seen lot of desis go with ideas of gold paved streets and then stuck working in stalls or 7/11 and then cursing the west
 
Slog said:
What is special about you that you think countries are lining up to get you

Also life is not rosy abroad unless you are going there for college and/or a top job

Seen lot of desis go with ideas of gold paved streets and then stuck working in stalls or 7/11 and then cursing the west
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I dont think I have indicated anywhere in my question that Im "special" or that any country should be lining up to get me. Many posters here are living abroad and I doubt many are "special". Its just a hypothetical question to assess which is the best possible country for a muslim Pakistani to immigrate to.
 
Australia is probably the simplest in that they have a clearly defined criteria for skilled migrants and there's very little of the "maybe we will, maybe we won't" type attitude that the US or UK take towards immigrant visas. They have very well defined prerequisites which they assign points to and if you have enough points, there's almost zero chance of being turned down. Canada has a similar system but their process takes much longer(minimum of one year but no guarantees and it can be as high as five or six years) and the Canadian job market is probably harder to break into because of how they treat foreign qualifications and work experience. Another upside of Australia is that if you get the right visa, it also doubles as a permanent residency permit so you can apply for citizenship after four years or so If I'm not mistaken. Not sure about Canada but I think it takes eight to ten years there.
 
UK especially Scotland.

Safe, beautiful and full of opportunity.

Majority of Pakistanis in Scotland are extremely well off.
 
You can always go to South Sudan. They need a lot of educated people to rebuild their country.
 
Belawal2014 said:
Tuition for international students is not.
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Was about to say the same, people who come internationally to US/Canadian unis usually have some pretty big scholarships, idk if that's the case with [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION].

Man even in-state / out-of-state tuition in US is a sizable chunk, not sure if it's the same in Canada if you're a resident of another city or from another province.

To answer OP, if you have a degree and some decent experience in your field and can make connections then probably Canada. Will find a lot of bhais who will hook you up. Exaggerated example, but even though there will still be competition there don't think it'll be as bad as UK or US.

Malaysia is another one, speaking from experience. It's a Muslim country so you will assimilate to life very easily there assuming you've lived your whole life in Pak.

Avoid gulf countries imho, unless you don't care about the status arabs give Pak/Indians and think of themselves above them.
 
It depends on what your skill set is and how much money you have. The world is very different from what it was 15 years ago, it is becoming harder and harder to immigrate to another country so it is better to stay where you are and fight for change in Pakistan.
 
My sincere advice, stay in Pakistan. Amount of ward work required to settled down in foreign country is much more than what you would require to achieve the same in Pakistan. Things are now different than what they were some 20 years ago.
 
America's the best for people from all walks of life, coming here is difficult but once you make it here you're set.
 
Slog said:
What is special about you that you think countries are lining up to get you

Also life is not rosy abroad unless you are going there for college and/or a top job

Seen lot of desis go with ideas of gold paved streets and then stuck working in stalls or 7/11 and then cursing the west
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Majority of Pakistanis that are here legally normally get out of their temporary blue collar jobs/small businesses and become successful professionals once they get through college or start a business, the only people stuck in minimum wage jobs for decades are the ones who don't have papers.
 
USA, Canada, and UK still remain top options (any order you prefer).
 
Anybody from Switzerland ?

If a person is doing Msc in Top ranked European University in English what are his Phd prospects in Switzerland ?

If He has good Gpa and good research project and is in his early or mid twenties how long it will take him to learn French ?

If he doesn't know French than will he be considered by Universities whose medium of Instruction is English ?


I have read that for Scientists USA, UK, JAPAN, CHINA, AUSTRALIA & SWITZERLAND are best places especially for Bio Medical Sciences.


Any Indian or Pakistani living in Switzerland ?
 
As a Pakistani, you'd probably want to go somewhere English-speaking in the developed world. Which just leaves Singapore, HK, USA, Canada, UK, Ireland, Australia and NZ.

Among those, NZ, Canada and Australia usually top most prosperity rankings.
 
Canada or UK I feel. New Zealand is an interesting choice as well where as Dubai is as Pakistani as Lahore now:ashwin
 
For the typical unskilled Pakistani man, HK is the best place.I know many people who arrived in Hong Kong with nothing but are now making HK$20-30K in construction. I do not know anyone who does not have a job ;everyone is working.

If you consider the quality of living and standard of living, Australia and the UK are the best places to immigrate to.
 
Everything else equal, US. A much larger job market. It is easier to acclimatize and adjust. K-12 and higher education is best in the world. Cost of living varies by state.
 
GoloriousPotato said:
Im not immigrating anytime soon but still wanted to know the best country to go to if you just want to live peacefully.
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Depends where you can get a visa for. And not just a student visa. The UK is slowly making it harder to stay legally permanently even after finishing your studies at uni/college unless you have some outstanding skills.
 
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Anybody from Switzerland ?

If a person is doing Msc in Top ranked European University in English what are his Phd prospects in Switzerland ?

If He has good Gpa and good research project and is in his early or mid twenties how long it will take him to learn French ?

If he doesn't know French than will he be considered by Universities whose medium of Instruction is English ?


I have read that for Scientists USA, UK, JAPAN, CHINA, AUSTRALIA & SWITZERLAND are best places especially for Bio Medical Sciences.


Any Indian or Pakistani living in Switzerland ?
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I myself will be starting Bio Med at The University of Melbourne.
 
If you want somewhere a little more quiet/layed back, with good lifestyle, and an alright number of Pakistanis, then New Zealand is a good choice.
 
Ellipsism said:
I myself will be starting Bio Med at The University of Melbourne.
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MashaAllah. May Allah give you success. Aameen.

It would give you a great oppurtunity InshaAllah to proceed further with either an Mphill in Molecular Medicine or direct Phd in Biosciences.

Work hard and follow your dreams.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Anybody from Switzerland ?

If a person is doing Msc in Top ranked European University in English what are his Phd prospects in Switzerland ?

If He has good Gpa and good research project and is in his early or mid twenties how long it will take him to learn French ?

If he doesn't know French than will he be considered by Universities whose medium of Instruction is English ?


I have read that for Scientists USA, UK, JAPAN, CHINA, AUSTRALIA & SWITZERLAND are best places especially for Bio Medical Sciences.


Any Indian or Pakistani living in Switzerland ?
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I don't live in Switzerland but am a PhD in Biophysics from a leading European Univ. So I can answer your question.

Switzerland indeed is a very good place if you want to do a PhD in bioscience. The Swiss invest a lot in medical research and some of the biggest pharma companies are based there, if you are inclined to go into industry.

As for the language, English is the working language for scientific research everywhere, so you don't need to worry on that count.

China and Australia are nowhere near the US, EU and Switzerland, in my opinion. I have worked with some Australian PhDs and have found them generally lower in caliber and knowledge compared to their counterparts in the EU. This has been my experience and I don't know if others have different opinions.

However, Australia has been investing quite a bit in biosciences in recent years, so much so that I know many EU PhDs who have migrated there. So things must be changing.

But I would caution anyone planning to do a PhD in any branch of bioscience now. There has been a huge overproduction of bioscience PhDs everywhere, and the market simply isn't big enough to accommodate everyone. If you still insist on going ahead with a bioscience PhD, I would advice you to have a plan B.
 
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gani999 said:
I don't live in Switzerland but am a PhD in Biophysics from a leading European Univ. So I can answer your question.

Switzerland indeed is a very good place if you want to do a PhD in bioscience. The Swiss invest a lot in medical research and some of the biggest pharma companies are based there, if you are inclined to go into industry.

As for the language, English is the working language for scientific research everywhere, so you don't need to worry on that count.

China and Australia are nowhere near the US, EU and Switzerland, in my opinion. I have worked with some Australian PhDs and have found them generally lower in caliber and knowledge compared to their counterparts in the EU. This has been my experience and I don't know if others have different opinions.

However, Australia has been investing quite a bit in biosciences in recent years, so much so that I know many EU PhDs who have migrated there. So things must be changing.

But I would caution anyone planning to do a PhD in any branch of bioscience now. There has been a huge overproduction of bioscience PhDs everywhere, and the market simply isn't big enough to accommodate everyone. If you still insist on going ahead with a bioscience PhD, I would advice you to have a plan B.
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Well my undergrad is in Pharmacy so I can go ahead with doing License of any developed country as part of Plan B but I do want to do a Phd for sure. After Phd I would be having good Jobs oppurtunity in Pakistan or elsewhere.


This is the age of Fittest so I guess if you are a competent Phd you will find space.

Thank you for the help and guidance. Stay blessed.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Well my undergrad is in Pharmacy so I can go ahead with doing License of any developed country as part of Plan B but I do want to do a Phd for sure. After Phd I would be having good Jobs oppurtunity in Pakistan or elsewhere.


This is the age of Fittest so I guess if you are a competent Phd you will find space.

Thank you for the help and guidance. Stay blessed.
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It's near impossible to be a pharmacist in the west (especially the US) with a Pakistani education. There are many horror stories of pharmacists who migrated and couldn't practice pharmacy.

As for medical science, the best institutions in Europe are Karolinska Institutet, ENS (research only), UPMC Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, University of Geneva, Erasmus University Rotterdam, Leiden University and Heidelberg University in Germany. If I had the choice, I would go to Karolinska or ENS.

As far as jobs are concerned, I know of many biomedical sciences grads who have difficulties finding job with just a masters. They usually do stuff like data analyst for pharmaceutical companies or technical jobs for labs. PhDs obviously open more opportunities but it depends entirely on your results and history. Publish or perish, as they say.
 
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endymion248 said:
It's near impossible to be a pharmacist in the west (especially the US) with a Pakistani education. There are many horror stories of pharmacists who migrated and couldn't practice pharmacy.

As for medical science, the best institutions in Europe are Karolinska Institutet, ENS (research only), UPMC Paris, Oxford, Cambridge, University of Geneva, Erasmus University Rotterdam, Leiden University and Heidelberg University in Germany. If I had the choice, I would go to Karolinska or ENS.

As far as jobs are concerned, I know of many biomedical sciences grads who have difficulties finding job with just a masters. They usually do stuff like data analyst for pharmaceutical companies or technical jobs for labs. PhDs obviously open more opportunities but it depends entirely on your results and history. Publish or perish, as they say.
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Thanks.


Naplex is the toughest. If you can pass it than you have good oppurtunities. If you don't than you are in trouble.

I know few Pakistani graduates who did pass Naplex and are doing very well MashaAllah.


I am more interested in R&D so I want to pursue Phd route. Won't mind teaching either. The Director of my Masters Program has worked in Top Pharma Industry for 10 plus years and than He went back to Academics and is now a Full professor at the age of 40-45. He is of Indian origin.


How to you see University of Edinburgh, ETH Zurich & EPFL ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Thanks.


Naplex is the toughest. If you can pass it than you have good oppurtunities. If you don't than you are in trouble.

I know few Pakistani graduates who did pass Naplex and are doing very well MashaAllah.


I am more interested in R&D so I want to pursue Phd route. Won't mind teaching either. The Director of my Masters Program has worked in Top Pharma Industry for 10 plus years and than He went back to Academics and is now a Full professor at the age of 40-45. He is of Indian origin.


How to you see University of Edinburgh, ETH Zurich & EPFL ?
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Lausanne is not as good as Geneva, ETH doesn't have a medical programme (don't know about a masters in biomed sciences). Edinburgh is good for Europeans as there is no tuition.

NAPLEX is only the start, you need to have a job ready before you can emigrate (and pharm schools in the US are producing too many graduates). Also, there is zero scope in the US for owning a pharmacy store, you are a salaried your whole life.
 
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endymion248 said:
NAPLEX is only the start, you need to have a job ready before you can emigrate (and pharm schools in the US are producing too many graduates). Also, there is zero scope in the US for owning a pharmacy store, you are a salaried your whole life.
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Pakistanis aspiring to go to the West on student visa's with the intention of remaining there permanently need to realise that the 'times are a changing'.

'Brexit', the election of Trump, and the rise of the Far Right in European politics, all have one thing in common - anti-immigration. Which, like it or not, to the vast majority that means too many 'non-whites' entering their country (since, from the perspective of the Far Right and their supporters, they are easy to distinguish from the 'white' immigrants entering the country).

So you might be allowed in (as students) because of the Euros, £'s and $'s you'll be bringing in as tuition fees and living costs, but don't be too sure about being allowed to remain, unless you have exceptional talent in a sought after field, once your studies finish and you start competing with the locals for job opportunities.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
MashaAllah. May Allah give you success. Aameen.

It would give you a great oppurtunity InshaAllah to proceed further with either an Mphill in Molecular Medicine or direct Phd in Biosciences.

Work hard and follow your dreams.
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Thanks! Wish you luck as well.
 
Ellipsism said:
Thanks! Wish you luck as well.
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Well done on acquiring admission in top Australian university. Alot of credit goes to your parents. I hope you have enjoyable time at university and it brings success in your life.

Thank you for the wish.
 
Canada or the UK, maybe even Australia.

It obviously depends on a lot of factors so it's difficult to give one definitive answer.
 
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