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Best fast bowlers ever averaging between 25-30

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Most guys rank elite quick bowlers as guys who averaged under 25. Guys like Steyn, Hadlee, Wasim, Imran, McGrath, Ambrose, Waqar etc.

But what about great bowlers who are just a notch below? Who would you rank as the best among the following:

Andy Roberts

Jason Gillespie

Shoaib Akhtar

Jimmy Anderson

Stuart Broad

Mitchell Johnson

Jeff Thompson
 
An extremely cute filter I must say :14: I can just see where this thread would probably end up with......

On topic: We only take < 25 because it seperates ATG from good / great players.....

It's something like formula one....the difference in time between the podium winner and the 7th ranking driver would not be that much but that small difference is the segregation between winners and good drivers....
 
Mitchell Johnson's purple patch was something otherworldly. Besides that, he could bat a bit.
 
it is a bit meaningless to rank bowlers based on averages alone. Lot of other factors count too. For example both Anderson & Broad plays in this era where it is least condusive for bowling in general. Testimony to this fact is that very few bowlers average <25 now a days.So they need to be weighed a lot more than their plain averages.But on the other hand both of them played with each other in the vast majority of their careers so that they supported each other really hugely. So things even out in that case.Look up to avg:s with these facts in mind.

Another case is Andy Roberts. He played along with other 3 bowlers who averaged <25. Played only in 44 tests or so. Yet his avg: rises to above 25. So he needs to be evaluated a lot lesser than his 25 avg:.

Yet another contrasting case is Kapil & Botham. Botham avg:ed slightly lesser to Kapil which gives the impression that he was a better bowler to Kapil.But in reality it is not the case. Botham's bowling has 2 parts.
First part is where he was a monster. In this period he got more than enough support from Willis & Underwood, 2 great bowlers.He benefitted the most in their company to have an avg: that rivalled that of even great bowlers of those times. But when both Willis & Underwood retired & thrust with the responsibility
of leading the attack, Botham became exactly the opposite. In his 2nd part as a bowler he was a pale shadow of his first half.
Kapil played with dibbly dobblies like Binny ,Madan Lal, Sandhu, Shastri etc etc thru out his career.I mean he didn't get enough support from these partners as some other bowlers of his times got.He didn't miss even a single test( i think only 1 because of some other factor),played for so long, played 10-11 tests a year in his peak etc etc. Despite all this he avg:ed only slightly higher to Botham.So i rate Kapil higher to Botham as a bowler.

Another case is that bowling economy rate & str: rate. Imagine 2 bowlers who bowled almost same no: of balls in their career & avg:ed almost the same. Suppose that first bowler has a str: rate much better than that of 2nd bowler despite his econ: rate lot higher than that of the other , then first bowler is a level above the 2nd one despite both having similar averages. Because str: rate denotes the wicket taking ability & hence carries a bit more weightage in tests.

In short it is meaning less to just take averages and decide the comparative greatness.
 
Andy Roberts is an undisputed ATG and Mitchell Johnson after the Ashes up until his retirement was the scariest and most feared bowler in the world and that alone makes him an ATG.
 
Johnathon trott, Kp,Matt Prior, Carberry, Ian Bell, Swann - Johnson destroyed a lot of careers in that series
 
Lmao, what a joke.

Actually I haven't seen Roberts so I'll remove him from that list but otherwise I stand by that. Gillespie dif not have enough impact on his own. Akhtar was too constantly injured to play enough test cricket and even then did not bowl enough and at times was a liability. Johnson blew hot and cold throughout his career . Broad and Anderson have not only picked up 300+ wickets but have won series for England with their bowling and especially between 2010-2016 were extremely consistent bar 1 or 2 series.
 
Actually I haven't seen Roberts so I'll remove him from that list but otherwise I stand by that. Gillespie dif not have enough impact on his own. Akhtar was too constantly injured to play enough test cricket and even then did not bowl enough and at times was a liability. Johnson blew hot and cold throughout his career . Broad and Anderson have not only picked up 300+ wickets but have won series for England with their bowling and especially between 2010-2016 were extremely consistent bar 1 or 2 series.

Akhtar didn't get injured during the early part of his career and even Despite his injuries he played more than a few matches and was easily a more dangerous, more threatening and just a better bowler in general compared to Gillispie, Anderson, Broad. How are at their best, good bowlers.
 
Johnson only achieved a level similar to Akhtars peak during the latter part of his career but was otherwise nowhere near him as a fast bowler
 
And Gillespie? Lol. Played second fiddle to McGrath and Lee and picked up whatever pieces those two left. Kasprowicz too was far better than Gillespie.
 
From the ones I have watched, watching Shoaib in full flow was the best sight in cricket..
 
Jimmy Anderson....I think by some distance. Mitch was too inconsistent and Roberts lacked the depth Jimmy had.
 
Andy Roberts without a doubt.

Gillespie was another 25+ averaging bowler who was really really good. Just check his average in India. A lot of times he picked more crucial wickets than McGrath.
 
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