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NASSER HUSSAIN: Forget about the multicultural England side who delivered World Cup glory, the grim numbers of our county game show we have problems in desperate need of solving... and coaches have no idea the barriers Asian kids face

However proud we feel about the multicultural nature of the England team who won the World Cup, the lack of diversity within our domestic structure, highlighted by Sportsmail’s research, makes for damning reading.

The grim numbers show problems in desperate need of solving.

Modern Britain's multicultural society was reflected in England's World Cup winning team

The only thing I would say to temper this is that it’s only been two years since the ECB launched their South Asian programme to forge better connections.

Yes, you could argue that something should have been done sooner but it would be churlish to be critical of positive action. Let’s accept these things need time.

So what can be done now? Well, whenever you look at sport, you need to look to its opposite ends simultaneously. To the top, at the people making the decisions, and to the bottom, your ingredients — the youngsters who are playing. Solving issues at one end does not solve those at the other.

For example, how are you building relationships in the wider community? Well, from my own experiences at Essex, I would have to say they appear to be doing better than most because they have embraced diversity.

Walk into the development team room at the county ground a decade ago and it would have been a white, middle-aged, middle-class man making the decisions. Someone with no understanding of what a young, British Asian or black child would face. No idea of the barriers in front of them.

This is a county rich in number when it comes to British Asians and I have experienced things first hand a couple of generations ago.

I grew up in a cricket school in Ilford that had a diverse feel — children from Indian, Pakistani, Caribbean and white backgrounds. It was great fun.

Yet, at Chelmsford’s county ground there was a general distrust, a feeling of ‘they don’t get us and we don’t get them’. Even when the first XI had a middle order of Nadeem Shahid, me and Salim Malik. Growing up, I used to hear the phrase: ‘They don’t buy into what we’re doing.’

But it wasn’t like that, we were just from two different worlds.

My mum and dad were constantly asked about the Tebbit test — a perceived lack of loyalty to the England cricket team from Caribbean and Asian immigrants — but I would hope, 30 years on, people feel a natural connection.

I recall having a net at Old Trafford, and some second generation Pakistani lads were giving me stick, telling me: ‘Waqar and Wasim are going to get you.’

My wish was for those lads who were like me to support and aspire to play for England.

I would have small amounts of racism hurled at me from both sides — being called ‘****’ on one side and ‘traitor’ by Indian fans on the other. But it was small stuff. It never held me back. These days, that development room at Essex is diverse in many ways, comprising women, varying races and religions and those with a disability.

Ravi Bopara and Varun Chopra are acting as role models for kids from different backgrounds

From what I see through the cricket school at Ilford, club cricket through my kids and school cricket through coaching, I would say there is about 35-40 per cent British Asian participation in English recreational cricket.

So how do you get them going through the system? Through the ranks you will see many British Asians at county and district trials but as you move into academy cricket, those numbers fall.

The answer is to encourage inclusivity. Whereas in the past, Asian leagues would have been frowned upon by the Essex hierarchy, now they are being brought on board and recognised for the contributions they can make.

Arfan Akram, the east London cricket co-ordinator for Essex, is educating people in both directions. He gets where the clubs are coming from and where Asian families are coming from too.

For example, things like diet. I don’t want to get too stereotypical but this year, Ravi Bopara tweeted a picture of the Essex youth team he played in and wrote ‘look how fat I was’ with a doughnut emoji.

In recent years, Arfan has used Ravi and Varun Chopra as role models to educate kids from different backgrounds on things they need to concentrate on — including diet.

I have always championed the effects of having Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali in the England squad, and seeing Moeen captain the side recently has to be inspirational to young British Asians. It is much more powerful than seeing me in the same position because, to some in that community, I was a whitish public school boy.

A particularly damning indictment from Sportsmail’s research, and I don’t claim to know what is going on behind the scenes at these counties, is that between them Warwickshire and Yorkshire have one British Asian player: Rashid. Think of the size of the Asian populations in Birmingham, the Black Country, Bradford and Leeds. Something must be going wrong within those systems.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...IN-grim-numbers-county-game-big-problems.html
 
Interesting thoughts on a topic that has been talked about a lot but has not been addressed.

Why aren't Asian cricketers in the UK making it to the highest level?
 
Interesting thoughts on a topic that has been talked about a lot but has not been addressed.

Why aren't Asian cricketers in the UK making it to the highest level?

When kids represent county age group cricket from ages 10 onwards it's very diverse until it gets to the ages were the academy intake is fed every year, unfortunately the Asian back ground cricketers are majority of time are released then
 
Interesting thoughts on a topic that has been talked about a lot but has not been addressed.

Why aren't Asian cricketers in the UK making it to the highest level?

There is no such thing as a typical British Asian.

On the one hand there are families which are well off and well integrated into wider society. Most of these families prioritise education and don’t spend time / money on sports.

Then there are many Asian families who live in deprived areas. In these areas there is definitely an element of racism at play but also a lack of knowledge about the amount / type of effort needed to break into professional setups.

Apart from football, most sports in the UK are dominated by private school kids whose parents invest in coaching and spend their weekends driving kids around to competitions. I just don’t see a lot of British Asians going down this route.

Maybe with the newer generations raising kids this might change.
 
Should Asian parents take their share of the blame for not pushing or helping their children make into professional cricket?

Are the youngsters themselves not as driven as they should be and lose interest?
 
Should Asian parents take their share of the blame for not pushing or helping their children make into professional cricket?

Are the youngsters themselves not as driven as they should be and lose interest?

It’s a numbers game ultimately.

There are probably kids who have an interest but without parental support do they know how to navigate their way through youth groups and into professional set ups ?

My observation is that in today’s sporting landscape parents are heavily involved in helping kids hops through the various kids.

The odd very talented kid will probably make it but for a substantially larger number of Asian kids to make it pro we need to see more parental support.
 
Simply the fact that there aren't many Asian cricketers doesn't mean there is racism. There could be plenty of reasons.
 
Simply the fact that there aren't many Asian cricketers doesn't mean there is racism. There could be plenty of reasons.

Yes but how come in recreational cricket 40% are asian yet less than 2% in county cricket. Sure parents might be a factor but for such a big gulf there has to be something else involved.
Forget cricket as somebody who lives in the UK i can tell you that job opportunities in general for asians and muslims are far less than white people but thats for another discussion.
 
Selection should be on merit. Not by race. May be Asian cricketers are not good enough.
 
Should Asian parents take their share of the blame for not pushing or helping their children make into professional cricket?

Are the youngsters themselves not as driven as they should be and lose interest?

Defo parents have a bit impact if a parent is not willing to travel to matches and training how can you expect the child to go
 
Yes but how come in recreational cricket 40% are asian yet less than 2% in county cricket. Sure parents might be a factor but for such a big gulf there has to be something else involved.
Forget cricket as somebody who lives in the UK i can tell you that job opportunities in general for asians and muslims are far less than white people but thats for another discussion.

Cus recreational is based around having a quick game in the park

Were clubs have set days and times which could impact thier Islamic beliefs or prayers
 
I think personally its bexouse parents are supportive enough also having to blend religion and sports together
 
What disappointing comments and whataboutisms in this thread. So many misconceptions as well. Noticeably very few people so far recognizing that racism is an issue in cricket in England as Nasser Hussain is saying. Instead want to blame the parents. Forget about the coaches, selectors that make the decisions to take kids into academies.

Notably, none of the excuses offered in the thread above explain why Essex has more south-asian participation and Warwickshire and Yorkshire, with huge South Asian populations, do not. Is this because the parents in Warwickshire and Yorkshire don’t encourage their kids and in Essex they do? Come on, give me a break.

Did you know that Yorkshire in the 80’s and 90’s had a ‘born in Yorkshire’ policy? So the huge immigrant populations that moved to Yorkshire in that time were not even allowed to play county cricket! There is a context and a history to the problems Azeem Gumman, Adil Rashid, Rana Naved and others have talked about.
 
Cus recreational is based around having a quick game in the park

Were clubs have set days and times which could impact thier Islamic beliefs or prayers


You have no idea what you are talking about. That is not what is meant by recreational cricket in the UK. Have you even played amateur cricket in England?
 
Yes but how come in recreational cricket 40% are asian yet less than 2% in county cricket. Sure parents might be a factor but for such a big gulf there has to be something else involved.
Forget cricket as somebody who lives in the UK i can tell you that job opportunities in general for asians and muslims are far less than white people but thats for another discussion.

Disagree with this.

As someone living in the UK this country has the best equality of opportunity of any place in the world. Most of my family members have professional jobs (accountants, lawyers, medicine) and don’t feel they encounter any lack of opportunity because of their background.

One caveat is you need to dress and speak the right way and know how to socialise with the right people.

The same applies to cricket. Outside of the most deprived areas of the UK - I am sure Asian kids could make it into professional setups if it was a priority for them and their families.
 
I have lived in the UK since I was 7, growing up in Yorkshire.

I am generally well spoken, excelled at academics and good at sport. So I’ve always fitted in, despite being proud of my religion/ background and being part of a mostly white school. I also moved to London for studying and stayed to enter a tough banking industry dominated by old white men.

However nowhere in my life have I felt discomfort or an obvious ‘vibe’ of racism other than when playing for my cricket club up north. I had good friends there and an immense passion for the game so I stayed for 6 years but it’s always something I remembered.

There was just a nagging feeling and sly remarks and just enough to make me feel uncomfortable but not enough to make an issue out of it. I just wanted to play the game that I loved.
 
You have no idea what you are talking about. That is not what is meant by recreational cricket in the UK. Have you even played amateur cricket in England?

Recreational cricket is based around fun and enjoyment so its either development stage or participation if you studies sports coaching you will no what am on about.i have played amateur cricket and also proberly have more trophies than you have
 
I think 'they' are ok with Asian lads in club cricket, local league cricket, but 'they' get uncomfortable when the Asian lads try to climb the ladder into semi-professional and professional cricket.
 
For those who don’t know, our very own CEO for Pakistan cricket, Wasim Khan played for Warwickshire and debuted in the first team in the mid 1990s! He was a trail blazer as he was the first and played amongst a few including Usman Afzal. Wasim also from memory played for Sussex and Derbyshire county cricket teams.

Wasim has always had a hard work ethic but what had changed where a British born near 50 year old was able to break through in the 90s but the new generation who are likely to have more well off British born parents are struggling?

Is it lack of hard work ethic compared to the older crew or is it less integration? Cricket certainly has more money in it today then in the 90s
 
Recreational cricket is based around fun and enjoyment so its either development stage or participation if you studies sports coaching you will no what am on about.i have played amateur cricket and also proberly have more trophies than you have


Semantics aside, your idea that the drop from 40% participation by SA in ‘Recreational’ (which includes amateur cricket here) to 2% in CC is because muslims have to pray and can’t play organized cricket makes absolutely zero sense.
 
For those who don’t know, our very own CEO for Pakistan cricket, Wasim Khan played for Warwickshire and debuted in the first team in the mid 1990s! He was a trail blazer as he was the first and played amongst a few including Usman Afzal. Wasim also from memory played for Sussex and Derbyshire county cricket teams.

Wasim has always had a hard work ethic but what had changed where a British born near 50 year old was able to break through in the 90s but the new generation who are likely to have more well off British born parents are struggling?

Is it lack of hard work ethic compared to the older crew or is it less integration? Cricket certainly has more money in it today then in the 90s

Wasim Khan was the FIRST South Asian cricketer to play county cricket. So he hardly constitutes a generational trend. There are more south asian cricketers playing CC now than in WK time. But, as was the case in the 90’s, it still is a disproportionately low number. For some context, huge south asian immigration into the UK started well before the 90’s. Yet we are still seeing these problems.

The fact that Wasim Khan arrived so late in our immigration story speaks volumes about how difficult it was to break through.
 
Wasim Khan was the FIRST South Asian cricketer to play county cricket. So he hardly constitutes a generational trend. There are more south asian cricketers playing CC now than in WK time. But, as was the case in the 90’s, it still is a disproportionately low number. For some context, huge south asian immigration into the UK started well before the 90’s. Yet we are still seeing these problems.

The fact that Wasim Khan arrived so late in our immigration story speaks volumes about how difficult it was to break through.

The point that I was making is that if Wasim Khan broke though in the 1990s, and there are only one or two south Asians in the current first team then what has happened since then for the lack of progression?

Yes it was difficult to breakthrough before the 1990s but that’s a different discussion about post world war 2 immigration.
 
One would have thought that as the Asian population has grown in the UK, so would the number of Asian guys playing County cricket, but of course that is not the case. In fact the numbers are eye-opening.

The same can be said for Afro-Caribbean players as well.
 
Semantics aside, your idea that the drop from 40% participation by SA in ‘Recreational’ (which includes amateur cricket here) to 2% in CC is because muslims have to pray and can’t play organized cricket makes absolutely zero sense.

They are 2 different things I mentioned

First I state recreational is based around development or participation eg personnel satisfaction.

Second of all I state one of the reasons it could be is due to islamic commits eg fasting prayer reading the quran which obvs takes priority.i no a number of kids who's parents have stated this from all levels of the continum
 
They are 2 different things I mentioned

First I state recreational is based around development or participation eg personnel satisfaction.

Second of all I state one of the reasons it could be is due to islamic commits eg fasting prayer reading the quran which obvs takes priority.i no a number of kids who's parents have stated this from all levels of the continum

That may be so, but the point is moot. Because the stat is that south asians make up 40% of amateur cricket. So that means they are people already playing at set times on the weekend. Then from this 40% very few are selected for academy, county cricket. So the people who don’t play at all because of religious reasons are not part of that 40%.
 
That may be so, but the point is moot. Because the stat is that south asians make up 40% of amateur cricket. So that means they are people already playing at set times on the weekend. Then from this 40% very few are selected for academy, county cricket. So the people who don’t play at all because of religious reasons are not part of that 40%.

South Asians and all are muslims? Set times ?
 
South Asians and all are muslims? Set times ?

it is irrelevant. Many, not all, of the South Asians are muslims. But, I repeat, it has nothing to do with the topic we are discussing - why there is 40% participation of SA cricketers in amateur cricket, and less than 6% in the county game. That stat does not have anything to do with prayer.
 
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That may be so, but the point is moot. Because the stat is that south asians make up 40% of amateur cricket. So that means they are people already playing at set times on the weekend. Then from this 40% very few are selected for academy, county cricket. So the people who don’t play at all because of religious reasons are not part of that 40%.

Assuming this 40% figure is accurate then I’m sure that the ECB and professional cricketers association would have already done much work around this.

I’ve not had a chance to ask any contacts or search google for any report findings but I’d be interested to know if we are doing something wrong for that 40% talent pool to translate into minuscule numbers?

Poor diet, poor training ethic or are we unfairly being stereotyped that way?

I’ve met Moeen Ali a few times socially and he actually looks lean and athletic in appearance. I can’t say that I know too much about Adil Rashid and other Asian players but they did something right to breakthrough in county first teams and for England.

Ultimately, it is about talent. Samit Patel, Ravi Bopara, Kabir Ali, Sajid Mahmood, Monty Panesar, Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali etc have simply not done enough to set the world of cricket on fire. I’m sure England selectors hoped they would have a Tendulkar, Saqi, Wasim Akram but these players have been coached the conventional English way.

Dare I say that a Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Inzi would not have even made it through the English system due to their fitness or unconventional playing style.
 
cricket in england is still dominated by Public school boys. they get the best facilities and play cricket as part of their PE. My son goes to an academy on and off. its expensive for me to send him there. he has managed to rbeak into his school eleven but then covid came. He hasnt managed to get into any of the academy teams yet. Some of the boys are just way way better. They train two three times a week, get picked for their village sides, go play county age group. My lad plays for his school and tries his best but I cant get him training two to three times a week. I just cant afford it. Covid has really put the kibosh on this year when he was really kicking on, even figured out how to bowl and incutter on his own..

I will try and get him some more training at a local club that plays near me but its gonna be difficult this year and next. I feel the ECB needs to do more to help age group cricket in schools and provide more avenues for boys and girls to play matches and tournaments..

by the way ive been training him this summer and he hits a mean cover drive now and is batting way better..bowling has deteriorated though as we havent concentrated on that..Im hoping he can play some matches soon but its looking like next year..
 
Assuming this 40% figure is accurate then I’m sure that the ECB and professional cricketers association would have already done much work around this.

I’ve not had a chance to ask any contacts or search google for any report findings but I’d be interested to know if we are doing something wrong for that 40% talent pool to translate into minuscule numbers?

Poor diet, poor training ethic or are we unfairly being stereotyped that way?

I’ve met Moeen Ali a few times socially and he actually looks lean and athletic in appearance. I can’t say that I know too much about Adil Rashid and other Asian players but they did something right to breakthrough in county first teams and for England.

Ultimately, it is about talent. Samit Patel, Ravi Bopara, Kabir Ali, Sajid Mahmood, Monty Panesar, Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali etc have simply not done enough to set the world of cricket on fire. I’m sure England selectors hoped they would have a Tendulkar, Saqi, Wasim Akram but these players have been coached the conventional English way.

Dare I say that a Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Inzi would not have even made it through the English system due to their fitness or unconventional playing style.

I'll use the example of Owais shah and Paul collingwood. i did some research on a thread on PP when we discussed this issue years ago and I found that both collingwood and shah got their start at similar times. But shah was dropped alot quicker and not given as lengthy a run as collingwood when he was playing better. I will see if I can find it on this forum. Collingwood was given support and encouragement. Owais was a yoyo..how can players progress when you drop them and then treat them unfairly?

as for Moeen. Come on this guy should have been playing consistently in the top five. But he has played in nearly every position in the side..and then they try to turn him into a front line spinner..I mean the guys talent shouldnt be in question because he adapted better than any player ive seen. And his resiliance is something else. But I feel if he were white he would have stayed in one or two positions consistently over a long period and he would be supported like collingwood was..
 
Assuming this 40% figure is accurate then I’m sure that the ECB and professional cricketers association would have already done much work around this.

I’ve not had a chance to ask any contacts or search google for any report findings but I’d be interested to know if we are doing something wrong for that 40% talent pool to translate into minuscule numbers?

Poor diet, poor training ethic or are we unfairly being stereotyped that way?

I’ve met Moeen Ali a few times socially and he actually looks lean and athletic in appearance. I can’t say that I know too much about Adil Rashid and other Asian players but they did something right to breakthrough in county first teams and for England.

Ultimately, it is about talent. Samit Patel, Ravi Bopara, Kabir Ali, Sajid Mahmood, Monty Panesar, Adil Rashid and Moeen Ali etc have simply not done enough to set the world of cricket on fire. I’m sure England selectors hoped they would have a Tendulkar, Saqi, Wasim Akram but these players have been coached the conventional English way.

Dare I say that a Shoaib Akhtar, Afridi, Inzi would not have even made it through the English system due to their fitness or unconventional playing style.

I have no idea whether that is true or not. I do know that, in the past, county boards have not shied away from publicly shaming and rejecting South Asian players on radio and tv like Samit Patel. But the issue is really one of why they are not making it through from the amateur to the professional game, so Samit, Rav etc are exceptions basically. The problem is that there are many players who we never hear about because they never make it that far. This may have to do with the biases of selectors. To be sure, it would be a mistake for a selector for academies to not pick a Shoaib Akhtar for any reason. Talent should be allowed through, and biases about what a good cricketer looks like should not enter into it. Yes fitness is an issue but too often it is used as an excuse to reject talent. So really unconscious bias and casual racism are probably the most likely reasons for disenfranchisement and rejection of SA cricketers.

I think it has more to do with English people being unnecessarily protective and paranoid about losing their own ‘culture’ in the game, and thus putting up unnecessary barriers for cricketers who do not fit their conventional mould. To some extent it is natural with a huge influx of SA cricketers for them to be worried. But natural is not the same as just. I think we could alL agree that if a Saqi or Shoaib Akhtar type player was rejected because they were unfit or something, it would be an injustice to those players and their talent. So that is no excuse to reject a guy who would potentially rock county and international cricket.
 
I'll use the example of Owais shah and Paul collingwood. i did some research on a thread on PP when we discussed this issue years ago and I found that both collingwood and shah got their start at similar times. But shah was dropped alot quicker and not given as lengthy a run as collingwood when he was playing better. I will see if I can find it on this forum. Collingwood was given support and encouragement. Owais was a yoyo..how can players progress when you drop them and then treat them unfairly?

as for Moeen. Come on this guy should have been playing consistently in the top five. But he has played in nearly every position in the side..and then they try to turn him into a front line spinner..I mean the guys talent shouldnt be in question because he adapted better than any player ive seen. And his resiliance is something else. But I feel if he were white he would have stayed in one or two positions consistently over a long period and he would be supported like collingwood was..


100% agree with this.
 
I'll use the example of Owais shah and Paul collingwood. i did some research on a thread on PP when we discussed this issue years ago and I found that both collingwood and shah got their start at similar times. But shah was dropped alot quicker and not given as lengthy a run as collingwood when he was playing better. I will see if I can find it on this forum. Collingwood was given support and encouragement. Owais was a yoyo..how can players progress when you drop them and then treat them unfairly?

I'm not sure there's really any time you can argue Shah's dropping wasn't justified, he was unlucky at times but that's just the way it was at the time with the batsmen around him, it's not like he was regularly being dropped for other unproven newcomers to get a chance either. He was 'dropped' 3 times in his career, the first time was for a returning Trescothick (with Ian Bell having to act as a makeshift opener in the previous game in India, that Trescothick had to miss because of his mental health issues, to accommodate Shah). The second time he was dropped for a returning Michael Vaughan and then he was dropped a final time for Ravi Bopara after being given 4 matches in a series against the West Indies and only averaging 20.5. Like I said, none of them can be looked at as particularly harsh on him in any way really.

as for Moeen. Come on this guy should have been playing consistently in the top five. But he has played in nearly every position in the side..and then they try to turn him into a front line spinner..I mean the guys talent shouldnt be in question because he adapted better than any player ive seen. And his resiliance is something else. But I feel if he were white he would have stayed in one or two positions consistently over a long period and he would be supported like collingwood was..

Moeen doesn't/didn't have the technique to be in the top 5 as he showed with his fairly poor record in those range of positions. He was fortunate to be given a chance to try and become the front line spinner which was the only realistic way for him into the England team and did a decent job at it for a while.
 
That may be so, but the point is moot. Because the stat is that south asians make up 40% of amateur cricket. So that means they are people already playing at set times on the weekend. Then from this 40% very few are selected for academy, county cricket. So the people who don’t play at all because of religious reasons are not part of that 40%.

The 40% figure for recreational cricket wasn't for organised cricket (let alone ECB overseen leagues), it included everything down to people playing street/tape ball cricket. Think the percentage of south Asians in organised league cricket would be a fair bit less than that.
 
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There are some very interesting posts made just now from everybody - thanks as I enjoyed them.

I guess the first thing we need to define is perspective about

1) Owais Shah and Paul Collingwood. Are there really similarities about their career and hierarchy support of Collingwood is why he progressed more or are there other reasons? Collingwood is a leader, tremendous competitor, excellent fielder and enjoys being a team player when under pressure. Has Owais shown any of these traits, not just at international level but first class and grass roots level?

I don’t know if anybody is familiar with the movie Jerry Maguire, but I recall there was a white American sportsman called Cush who Tom Cruise fought over. Cush could have been super talented but it’s his father who aggressively pushed his career through the coaches and agents. Did a similar thing happen where Collingwood had more domestic / parental support to succeed?

There are plenty of Pakistani parents on here who have admirably helped their children become doctors and it’s the same principle surely? I don’t know enough about Owais but these things make a difference and networking and integration is a key part and not just talent

2) Is Moeen Ali a top level batsman who was messed about? I cannot comment since I don’t know his career well enough. When I’ve seen him bat, I’ve not identified him as a classical test batsman or future great? He rarely seizes on opportunities too.

There is so much work going out at grassroots, amateur level with the south Asian community in the UK and for this reason the alone, I commend and thank the English powers to be. Ultimately, I’m seeing British born South Asian heritage players who are not good enough.

It’s not just talent but talent under pressure. I’m still actively boxing but I was never good enough to go professional. I’m still pretty good for a 40 year old in sparring but under the lights, the pressure gets to me and I lose my composure (Afridi’s downfall!).

Let’s be real, Shoaib Akhtar was a talent but he was not a professional and would have not been picked for on disciplinary / fitness grounds alone. Freddie Flintoff got away with it as he was a bit of a lovable rogue and the public loved him as he was relatable to the working class.

Talent is important at grass roots / amateur level but it’s more than that to make a top level sportsman.
 
Maybe the up and coming Asians aren't very good? The counties see this guys play and train everyday for many years. They will be the best judges of these players than you and I.
 
The 40% figure for recreational cricket wasn't for organised cricket (let alone ECB overseen leagues), it included everything down to people playing street/tape ball cricket. Think the percentage of south Asians in organised league cricket would be a fair bit less than that.

West Yorkshire leagues are almost all Asian... Moin Ashraf mysteriously left Yorkshire really going, Very talented but now Yorkshire play 70mph seamers ?..
 
Maybe the up and coming Asians aren't very good? The counties see this guys play and train everyday for many years. They will be the best judges of these players than you and I.

it just statistically does not make sense
 
Maybe the up and coming Asians aren't very good? The counties see this guys play and train everyday for many years. They will be the best judges of these players than you and I.

Why would they not be very good?

What is stopping so many asians going onto the next level?

Even if say diet, class play a part Statistically there should be more asian players coming through than the odd one or two you are seeing at the moment
 
If Nasir Hussain is saying something about racism in a place he grew up in, I'd say the graceful thing to do is to accept it at face value.

There has been enough said about racism, particularly in Yorkshire, by all spectrum of people that at the very least, it is worth investigating.
 
Why would they not be very good?

What is stopping so many asians going onto the next level?

Even if say diet, class play a part Statistically there should be more asian players coming through than the odd one or two you are seeing at the moment

How do you know they are good? Are you watching them and train every single day like the counties are?

I will take there judgment over posters anyday of the week.
 
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West Yorkshire leagues are almost all Asian... Moin Ashraf mysteriously left Yorkshire really going, Very talented but now Yorkshire play 70mph seamers ?..

West Yorkshire cricket leagues are a far way from 'almost all Asians'.

Moin Ashraf was released at a time when Yorkshire had pretty incredible pace bowling stocks (Sidebottom, Plunkett, Brooks, Bresnan, Willey, Patterson along with Coad and Fisher coming through the ranks).
 
West Yorkshire cricket leagues are a far way from 'almost all Asians'.

Moin Ashraf was released at a time when Yorkshire had pretty incredible pace bowling stocks (Sidebottom, Plunkett, Brooks, Bresnan, Willey, Patterson along with Coad and Fisher coming through the ranks).

Bradford leagues are and it accounts for a large population..
 
Bradford leagues are and it accounts for a large population..

Again I'm afraid that's far from true in general. Yes they have a higher proportion of Asians compared to most of the country but they're nowhere close to 'almost all Asians'.
 
In club cricket its easy to get rid off Asian players no matter how hard they try...
Normally a coach or senior will have son or relative in the team.....
Bat the player at 9,10,11 then dont bowl them for a year .....
they go themselves..... you need to be in the right circles... not many Asian like being
in social circles in alchohol...areas............

Warwickshire and Yorkshire... it depends on the coaches... the setup..... mindset....
Things will change but not for another 10 years....
 
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