Biden reverses Trump's non-interventionist policy, increases troops in Europe (update #5)

[Cracket]

Donald Trump outlined an unabashedly noninterventionist approach to world affairs Monday, telling The Washington Post's editorial board that he questions the need for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which has formed the backbone of Western security policies since the Cold War.

The meeting at The Post covered a range of issues, including media libel laws, violence at his rallies, climate change, NATO and the U.S. presence in Asia.

Speaking ahead of a major address on foreign policy later Monday in front of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, Trump said he advocates a light footprint in the world. In spite of unrest abroad, especially in the Middle East, Trump said the United States must look inward and steer its resources toward rebuilding domestic infrastructure.


"I do think it’s a different world today, and I don’t think we should be nation-building anymore," Trump said. "I think it’s proven not to work, and we have a different country than we did then. We have $19 trillion in debt. We’re sitting, probably, on a bubble. And it’s a bubble that if it breaks, it’s going to be very nasty. I just think we have to rebuild our country."

Trump praised George P. Shultz, who served as President Ronald Reagan's top diplomat, and was harshly critical of current secretary of state John F. Kerry. He questioned the United States’ continued involvement in NATO and, on the subject of Russia’s aggression in Ukraine, said America’s allies are "not doing anything."

"Ukraine is a country that affects us far less than it affects other countries in NATO, and yet we’re doing all of the lifting," Trump said. "They’re not doing anything. And I say: 'Why is it that Germany’s not dealing with NATO on Ukraine? Why is it that other countries that are in the vicinity of Ukraine, why aren’t they dealing? Why are we always the one that’s leading, potentially the third world war with Russia.' "

Trump said that U.S. involvement in NATO may need to be significantly diminished in the coming years, breaking with nearly seven decades of consensus in Washington. "We certainly can’t afford to do this anymore," Trump said, adding later, "NATO is costing us a fortune, and yes, we’re protecting Europe with NATO, but we’re spending a lot of money."

Read the rest about his policies in South Korea, and part of his foreign team members on the source:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...icy-team-in-meeting-with-the-washington-post/

Bonus: Trump says Israel should pay U.S. for defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAticaizX1U

 

[FlickedOffHips]

can you really trust Trump on what he says? the guy says anything that comes to his mind.

 

[Robert]

First sensible thing I've heard him say.

 

[www787]

Saying and doing are two different thing.

No one in their right mind would diminished involvement in Nato. US needs Nato more than Nato needs US. further more Nato nation would be more than happy to have good relationship with Russia, the only reason they don't is because of US. Russia is made to look like a boggie man for a reason. Neither Russia nor European nations want hostile relationship with each other.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-usa-austin/u-s-to-base-additional-troops-in-germany-in-reversal-of-trump-policy-idUSKBN2C016H?il=0

The United States will ramp up its forces in Germany amid the latest tensions with Russia over Ukraine, abandoning former President Donald Trump’s plans to withdraw around 12,000 of the 36,000 troops from the fellow NATO country.

“I briefed the minister on our intention to permanently stage an approximately 500 additional U.S. personnel in the Wiesbaden area as early as this fall,” U.S. Secretary of Defence Lloyd Austin told at press conference after meeting his German counterpart, Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer, in Berlin.

Last June, Trump had announced his intention to cut the U.S. troop contingent in Germany by about a third, saying Berlin had been taking advantage of the United States while not meeting financial obligations to NATO.

Austin, who as a young lieutenant served in Germany and said he had fond memories of the time, struck a completely different tone, thanking Berlin for its contribution to NATO missions as in Afghanistan and taking steps to increase defence spending.

“I truly value what you bring. It is not lost on me that we share values, and that you are a very committed partner,” he said while Kramp-Karrenbauer welcomed his troop decision as an encouraging signal.

Austin evaded questions about whether the deployment of additional troops should be interpreted as a message to Russia amid renewed tensions over Ukraine but stressed the military value for NATO of having more boots on the ground in Europe.

“These forces will strengthen deterrence and defence, and they will augment our existing abilities to prevent conflict and if necessary to fight and win,” he said. “It will greatly improve our ability to surge forces at a moment’s notice to defend our allies.”

The West has expressed concern in recent weeks over a huge build-up of Russian forces close to Ukraine’s eastern border and in Crimea, which Russia annexed from Kyiv in 2014.

On Tuesday, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg called on Russia to withdraw troops that the alliance says Moscow is massing on Ukraine’s borders, ahead of an emergency meeting of allied foreign and defence ministers.

 

[Bigboii]

***** Biden

 

[Robert]

Well done President Biden. Exactly the right thing. This threat to European democracies must be deterred, else Putin will keep land-grabbing.

Really, Germany should be spending more on defence though, instead of bludging off the US / UK / France / Denmark.

 

[Bigboii]

Well done President Biden. Exactly the right thing. This threat to European democracies must be deterred, else Putin will keep land-grabbing.

Really, Germany should be spending more on defence though, instead of bludging off the US / UK / France / Denmark.

Daddy, daddy help us fight this bad man- says the man child of a son

Meanwhile, daddy is growing in age with receding hairline, lack of strength, interested in retirement but forced to work hard for his pretentious son

Son is going to rave parties, doing blow after blow, spending money like no tomorrow, and then asking the dad
Why are you not having fun? What's wrong with you catch up with us already but low key can you pay pal me some money I spent it on the parties I was doing now the bad guy is threatening me

Ferociously crying, papa help, papa help...

Europe, US relationship in a nutshell

 

[Robert]

Daddy, daddy help us fight this bad man- says the man child of a son

Meanwhile, daddy is growing in age with receding hairline, lack of strength, interested in retirement but forced to work hard for his pretentious son

Son is going to rave parties, doing blow after blow, spending money like no tomorrow, and then asking the dad
Why are you not having fun? What's wrong with you catch up with us already but low key can you pay pal me some money I spent it on the parties I was doing now the bad guy is threatening me

Ferociously crying, papa help, papa help...

Europe, US relationship in a nutshell

USA is the son. Helping out the father who provided him with the intellectual framework of his Constitution (Locke, Voltaire).

 

[Bigboii]

USA is the son. Helping out the father who provided him with the intellectual framework of his Constitution (Locke, Voltaire).

you got hurt but didn't respond to the actual message...

 

[Kashmirilion]

Well done President Biden. Exactly the right thing. This threat to European democracies must be deterred, else Putin will keep land-grabbing.

Really, Germany should be spending more on defence though, instead of bludging off the US / UK / France / Denmark.

Oh Putin the big bad. Sad how you call yourself a liberal but never condemn the landgrabbing the terrorist regime of Israel does. Putin is not half as bad as your buddy netanyahu.

You seem like a nice guy Robert and your posts in cricket section are gold. But in time pass section your biases towards Israeli state the USA and obviously blacks (due to personal reasons) are very blatant. You call yourself s liberal but unfortunately my friend like rest of us you are a hypocrite..

 

[Robert]

you got hurt but didn't respond to the actual message...

What message? Seemed like a rant.

 

[Robert]

Oh Putin the big bad. Sad how you call yourself a liberal but never condemn the landgrabbing the terrorist regime of Israel does. Putin is not half as bad as your buddy netanyahu.

You seem like a nice guy Robert and your posts in cricket section are gold. But in time pass section your biases towards Israeli state the USA and obviously blacks (due to personal reasons) are very blatant. You call yourself s liberal but unfortunately my friend like rest of us you are a hypocrite..

I challenge you to find one single post among 31,000+ I ever made in support of Netanyahu or the state of Israel.

You seem quite new here so perhaps you never saw my several posts critical of USA for vetoing UN Resolutions on 70+ occasions to sanction the state of Israel.

I’m not biased towards blacks, but towards equality in service provision.

 

[Napa]

Daddy, daddy help us fight this bad man- says the man child of a son

Meanwhile, daddy is growing in age with receding hairline, lack of strength, interested in retirement but forced to work hard for his pretentious son

Son is going to rave parties, doing blow after blow, spending money like no tomorrow, and then asking the dad
Why are you not having fun? What's wrong with you catch up with us already but low key can you pay pal me some money I spent it on the parties I was doing now the bad guy is threatening me

Ferociously crying, papa help, papa help...

Europe, US relationship in a nutshell

USA is the son. Helping out the father who provided him with the intellectual framework of his Constitution (Locke, Voltaire).

That doesn't make sense. No one cares about "intellectual" capital. If they did someone should be paying Indians for having discovered the concept of zero.

The US taxpayers pay for European defense, and European countries promised to spend 2% of GDP on defense about 10 years ago but never did.

 

[Robert]

That doesn't make sense. No one cares about "intellectual" capital. If they did someone should be paying Indians for having discovered the concept of zero.

The US taxpayers pay for European defense, and European countries promised to spend 2% of GDP on defense about 10 years ago but never did.

Merely challenging @Bogboii’s ideas about paternalism. USA would not have gained independence without 1. European liberal thought, 2. military intervention by Lafayette and Rochambeau of France.

And I have already criticised Germany for not spending enough on defence when they are right in the firing line against Russia, should war break out

 

[Bigboii]

What message? Seemed like a rant.

ok dude...

 

[Robert]

ok dude...

I’m happy to have a grown up debate with you, if you stop acting like an adolescent.

 

[Bigboii]

I’m happy to have a grown up debate with you, if you stop acting like an adolescent.

no, you don't want any debate cmon now!

Everyone can read the point I was making, it's really simple...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

USA operates a sort of western version of the caliphate, it is the appointed ( or self appointed if you prefer) leader of the modern world. This could be the reason why it feels it necessary to operate an interventionist policy. It needs to intervene to make sure it stays at the top and no one else threatens America's standard of living.

 

[Napa]

Merely challenging @Bogboii’s ideas about paternalism. USA would not have gained independence without 1. European liberal thought, 2. military intervention by Lafayette and Rochambeau of France.

And I have already criticised Germany for not spending enough on defence when they are right in the firing line against Russia, should war break out

Much of modern Americans descended from Europeans, so they have as much right to the legacy of "European liberal thought" as modern Europeans.

The issue is what are the people who are alive today doing?

 

[Robert]

Much of modern Americans descended from Europeans, so they have as much right to the legacy of "European liberal thought" as modern Europeans.

The issue is what are the people who are alive today doing?

....about what?

 

[Robert]

USA operates a sort of western version of the caliphate, it is the appointed ( or self appointed if you prefer) leader of the modern world. This could be the reason why it feels it necessary to operate an interventionist policy. It needs to intervene to make sure it stays at the top and no one else threatens America's standard of living.

Putting more troops into Germany isn’t interventionism. It’s supporting a NATO ally.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Putting more troops into Germany isn’t interventionism. It’s supporting a NATO ally.

The intervention part comes in countries which aren't part of NATO. German military assets would be expected to join with the USA when taking on the non-NATO foes.

 

[Napa]

....about what?

Europeans paying for their own defense instead of being subsidized by US taxpayers.

Bigboii was comparing Europeans to irresponsible youngsters who are being subsidized by the dad (USA).

 

[Robert]

The intervention part comes in countries which aren't part of NATO. German military assets would be expected to join with the USA when taking on the non-NATO foes.

Thread is about USA supporting a NATO ally - Germany. Therefore non-intervention.

 

[Robert]

Europeans paying for their own defense instead of being subsidized by US taxpayers.

Bigboii was comparing Europeans to irresponsible youngsters who are being subsidized by the dad (USA).

I’ve already commented on Germany bludging off the US, UK, France and Denmark defence commitment. They have demothballed a tranche of Leopard II MBTs of late to counter Russian expansionism. They should develop future systems as the new Russian armour is starting to make NATO’s look obsolescent.