Stewie
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1) Yes, I agree that BLM was created by blacks. It is a genuine movement creating awareness in the minds of whites who possess impressionable frame of mind and acts as a deterrent for those who do not. But Blacks have to do more. If somebody has to solve this issue, it has to be the Blacks themselves. There are very few practical support systems created by successful blacks such as scholarships for students or support in healthcare / insurance / legal etc. If you just rant or riot or keep on taking knee, the BLM will not influence the Whites positively, instead it will turn the young blacks even more revolutionary. Already the ghetto anger and crime is destroying their life.
BLM should disassociate itself from the "American police brutality" issue and increase its net as an issue of racial injustice in other parts of the world. It will get more teeth then.
2) You are spot on with the assessment about prejudice and bias. I differ though in the conclusion that other races didn't suffer.
Long story was that it happened long back. While other races have moved on and understood that there are no entitlements and everything has to be earned, the majority blacks I feel are somewhat lacking. Perhaps because they were inhumanly treated for so long that the scars remain. However the black community rage is only turning their youth to anger, whereas what they need is to see that other races are doing and work for reconciliation. Whites need to help more but blacks must not spoil the spirit of help with their cries of entitlement.
Reconciliation can happen. it has happened with the Jews. 10 million of them died in holocaust but they are not exactly considered as criminals or rioters anymore. Germany and Israel might even jointly host the Olympics to showcase that they have together overcome this tragedy. Almost similar cases but the way it was much better handled by the Jews.
3) Rule of law is fast and fair in USA. It is very strong. I was comparing with India as a comparison where the seekers die before they get justice and the saying goes "Justice delayed is Justice denied". That way atrocities on black community do get a hearing. In fact the American blacks have it easy in this one aspect, in remote parts of India (& other world), police gets away with custodial deaths with some suspensions and shuffling of posts.
I agree with you about the Legal representation costs. This is where the BLM movement should work. Protest and support outside and inside the courts. Also this poor vs rich legal costs issue is there in every country.
Some of your statements read exactly like the RW narrative. I am not sure if I can definitely judge where you get your news from. Do you live in the states? If so, how long? I am just curious.
I have lived here for 25 years now. I have worked with all races, I went to school at a multicultural university, I lived in a big metropolitan city, and I have played cricket with West Indian Americans, played basketball with black Americans, and I can personally tell you that there is no sense of entitlement with them than your average American Joe. The RW propaganda makes it sound like that’s what the minorities and immigrants want and that’s why they come here to mooch off our taxes but now that I have been living in a majority white rural impoverished area over the last few years, I can definitively say that poor whites are the major and majority beneficiaries of social welfare benefits. They talk about blacks and latinos with so many kids you could make a basketball team with a bench, but I see the same here with whites. Most of middle America is like that. Midwest, Great Lakes, southern states, etc.
It is the most glaring of things you would observe. Most blacks I worked with, came up from nothing and didn’t want entitlements. They actually want to get out of entitlement living situation, make a decent living so they can move to the suburbs and buy a house.
Once again it seems like we are going around in circles with this discussion. I say something in support of BLM, some members partially agree and then start using RW propaganda stereotypes of blacks and BLM, which when I counter with examples that show how this is analogous to radical islamists and how stereotyping is bad, they back off and then go back to square one of questioning BLM, their motivations and their alleged sense of entitlement.
I understand it’s all about perceptions. We all have our preconceived bias somehow and prejudice, which don’t go away instantaneously, less so because someone on a discussion board said so.