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The innocent die whilst both sides blame each other for 'starting it'.

Eight consecutive days of shelling on the highly militarized Line of Control between India and Pakistan has left a combined eight civilians dead. The exchange of fire violates of a 2003 ceasefire agreement between the two countries.

Six of the deaths were recorded on India's side of the border, the most recent coming on Sunday. According to local media, two civilians were killed on Pakistan's side of the border and an additional six were injured over the course of the last week.

The clashes began on August 8, and continued through Friday and Saturday nights, the anniversary of each country's 69th year of independence from Britain.

Both nations have accused the other of initiating the attacks. Indian army spokesman Lt. Col. Manish Mehta told Al Jazeera that Pakistani soldiers fired mortars and gunfire without any provocation. In a statement, Pakistan's army said Indian troops fired on their guards "unprovoked," adding that "Pakistani troops befittingly responded."

Related: India and Pakistan Play Blame Game in Deadly Border Clashes

Traditionally, the border guards of each nation exchange sweets on holidays like Independence Day. That exchange did not happen this year, though the leaders of both countries acknowledged the respective holidays.

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted "Greetings & good wishes to the people of Pakistan on their Independence Day." Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif wished Modi the same, adding that "friendly, cooperative and good relations" were in the best interests of both countries and the region.

The tensions on the border come just before a meeting between the two countries national security advisers — Ajit Doval and Sartaj Aziz — set to take place August 23 in India. The officials are expected to discuss terrorism in the region.

In an apparently unrelated attack in the midst of it all, the home minister of Pakistan's Punjab province, Shuja Khanzada, was assassinated in his home on Sunday. The retired retired colonel was holding a tribal council at the time of the suicide bombing. Eight others were killed in the attack; no one had claimed responsibility at press time, but Khanzada had previously received threats from both the Pakistani Taliban and al Qaeda.
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https://news.vice.com/article/eight...ght-days-of-shelling-on-india-pakistan-border
 
Here they go again:

Indian claims:

JAMMU: The Pakistan army on Monday evening indulged in heavy shelling and firing along the Line of control (LoC) in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir, an official said.

"Unprovoked ceasefire violation by the Pakistan Army began at 7 pm today (Monday) in the Balakot sector. They are using mortars and our troops are effectively and appropriately responding," defence spokesman Colonel Manish Mehta said here on Monday.

"No casualty in own troops was reported till the last reports came in, although exchange of firing was still on in the area," he said.
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...an-army-in-Poonch-JK/articleshow/48516547.cms

Pakistani claims:

KOTLI: In another violation of LoC ceasefire, Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) targeted civilian settlements in Nakial sector of Kotli earlier today.

According to reports from the area, dozens of houses were damaged as a result of this ‘unprovoked’ firing and shelling by the Indian forces in Datote village in Kotli district, however, no deaths have been reported.

Pakistani troops responded to Indian firing.
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http://nation.com.pk/national/17-Aug-2015/indian-shelling-continues-at-loc
 
Jesus, Indians and Pakistanis can never stop fighting; even during independence day week! Good God almighty.
 
And they are still at it today,

Pakistan's version of events:

KOTLI: Pakistani forces responded to Indian firing at the Nakyal Sector on the Line of Control (LoC) on Wednesday.

According to sources a check post located at Indian trenches on the LoC was destroyed by the retaliatory firing of Pakistani forces.

Five people have been martyred and 27 injured during four days of firing and shelling across the LoC.
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http://www.geo.tv/article-194670-Pakistani-forces-respond-to-Indian-firing-at-LoC-

India's version of events:

Jammu: The Pakistan Army opened fire at Indian positions along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir overnight, military officials said on Wednesday.

The Pakistanis violated the 2003 ceasefire at two places in Balakote sector in Poonch district on Tuesday night, defence ministry spokesman Lt Colonel Manish Mehtra told IANS.

"After our troops retaliated, the Pakistani firing stopped at 10 pm," he said, adding there was another round of firing for half hour.

Indian and Pakistani troops routinely clash along their Jammu and Kashmir border.
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/paki...loc-in-balakote-sector-in-poonch-2398940.html
 
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3 Civilians Killed, 22 Injured in Pakistani Firing in Jammu and Kashmir
Arnia, Jammu: Three people, including a woman, were killed and 22 were injured in heavy shelling by Pakistani troops along the International Border in RS Pura sector of Jammu today.

"Pakistan Rangers resorted to unprovoked firing. Initially, small arms were used but later on mortars bombs were shelled on BSF posts and civilian areas in RS Pura and Arnia sectors since midnight", a spokesman for the Border Security Force said.

Indian troops retaliated; the exchange of fire is still underway.
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http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/4-ci...-in-jammu-and-kahsmirs-rs-pura-sector-1211794

At least six Pakistanis killed in Indian shelling


SIALKOT: At least six Pakistani civilians were killed and several others sustained injuries as Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) personnel resorted to firing and shelling along the Working Boundary in Sialkot's Charwah, Harpal, Chaprar and Sucheetgarh sectors through early Friday morning, said a statement issued by the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).

Earlier reports suggested seven Pakistanis were killed in firing and shelling by Indian forces, however, the military's media wing has confirmed the number as six.

Sources said Punjab Rangers responded with retaliatory firing.
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http://www.dawn.com/news/1203398/at-least-six-pakistanis-killed-in-indian-shelling
 
Deploy neutral observers at the border and find out who starts first. Sick of this blame game.
 
Bro, this thing is daily routine, and both countries play blame games, and innocent people losing their lives.
 
Runner Up said:
Deploy neutral observers at the border and find out who starts first. Sick of this blame game.
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they are already there. The UN has observers in the area..I suggest people watch the recent report by journalist Imran Khan on his program Takrar.
 
Pakistan should be renamed Duckistan. Our ppl r being killed and posters r putting indian version to balance out, silly. This govt. of Nawaz Sharif is looking for a serious backlash. Pervez Musharraf whatever policy he devised was able to keep the ceasefire with India till 2007/08. Pak Army needs to intervene Sialkot is not LOC its international boundary and Indian shelling is a violation and an act of war whereas here we send flowers like hippies
 
Army Chief visited CMH Sialkot to inquire about the health of injured civilians.

ISPR release:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Working Bdry#COAS visits Rangers HQ.Was Briefed latest.Appreciated high morale of deployed troops&civs.Commends Rangers'befitting response-1</p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244007488188417">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Said,India has blatantly violated CF along WB&LOC.Crossed all limits to terrorise Pak civ population disregarding intl conventions&norms-2</p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244051360583680">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We Can sense definite linkage b/w terrorism being sponsored by India in various parts of Pak and belligerence along LOC/ WB-3</p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244123800440832">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian firing and violation targeting civs is Highly unprofessional,unethical,irresponsible& cowardly act-4 <a href="http://t.co/xrj8LYJ7z8">pic.twitter.com/xrj8LYJ7z8</a></p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244257300934656">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Later visited CMH Slkt to inquire abt health of injured civs.Directed concerned to ensure best possible treatment-5 <a href="http://t.co/mNTP14UAL0">pic.twitter.com/mNTP14UAL0</a></p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244377060904960">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">State of today's casualties due Indian Fire at WB;8 shaheed incl one woman,one child.47 injured incl 24 women& 11 children-6</p>— AsimBajwaISPR (@AsimBajwaISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/AsimBajwaISPR/status/637244996811292675">August 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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How far is Sialkot from the Indian Border ? Is it so close that Indian bullets are reaching Sialkot ?
 
Didn't Pakistan invite the UN observers few months back to Sialkot border to expose Indian aggression ?

Any report from that visit ?
 
Not alleging anything or making any conclusions but this cross border tension and the whole atmosphere has taken a turn for the worst since Modi came into power.
 
Garuda said:
Didn't Pakistan invite the UN observers few months back to Sialkot border to expose Indian aggression ?

Any report from that visit ?
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Pakistan Rep to UN Dr Maleeha Lodhi met UN secretary general ban ki moon today on this issue.
 
Strike Rate said:
Pakistan Rep to UN Dr Maleeha Lodhi met UN secretary general ban ki moon today on this issue.
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That's good.

But I was wondering about the last visit of UN observers as I have never seen any report from that visit.
 
Slog said:
Not alleging anything or making any conclusions but this cross border tension and the whole atmosphere has taken a turn for the worst since Modi came into power.
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For Pakistan the situation is more bad because at the other side of LoC there are Kashmiri just like this side of border so if we give it back to indian forces only Kashmiris will suffer because of our counter attack and Pakistan will lose some support from muslim Kashmiris living near LoC. So a win win situation for modi.
 
A lot of people will hate me for saying this but I feel Pakistan is trying to punch higher in this case. Sometimes you need to let your ego go if you are not in a situation to take upper hand.
 
Garuda said:
That's good.

But I was wondering about the last visit of UN observers as I have never seen any report from that visit.
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Yea i remember watching them visiting the effected villages and preparing their report last month but no news after that.
 
Strike Rate said:
Yea i remember watching them visiting the effected villages and preparing their report last month but no news after that.
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That should give some hint to Pakistani authorities that they can't get too much from UN against India at this moment.

So it's better to get the situation as calmer as possible instead of making it worse and being stubborn.

Everyone needs to understand that India is the status quo power and is not in a situation to give concession. So sometimes its better to understand the situation and reality.
 
Garuda said:
A lot of people will hate me for saying this but I feel Pakistan is trying to punch higher in this case. Sometimes you need to let your ego go if you are not in a situation to take upper hand.
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But it's not an issue of ego only. Yesterday i saw video report on one of LoC most affected area and Pakistan posts and villages are at hillside while Indian army have posts at mountains in that area but still there are attacks in that area i mean how is it even logically possible that Pakistan attack first in that area? We are at the losing side in that area if we start it first we are only going to suffer more so i can't believe Pakistan opened fire first in that area.

India also need to realize things can get dirty both are nuclear nations and Pakistan will have no choice left because we don't have enough resources like India for a conventional warfare.
 
Strike Rate said:
But it's not an issue of ego only. Yesterday i saw video report on one of LoC most affected area and Pakistan posts and villages are at hillside while Indian army have posts at mountains in that area but still there are attacks in that area i mean how is it even logically possible that Pakistan attack first in that area? We are at the losing side in that area if we start it first we are only going to suffer more so i can't believe Pakistan opened fire first in that area.

India also need to realize things can get dirty both are nuclear nations and Pakistan will have no choice left because we don't have enough resources like India for a conventional warfare.
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Without going into whether logically it makes sense or not for Pakistani forces to attack first or not, I kind of agree that Pakistan will suffer more if these skirmishes continue.

This could be a reason why India is ready to up the ante. Like Mr. Jaitley said, "India would like to increase the cost of conflict". This means they kind of wants to increase the bet.

This is why I felt there is no win for Pakistan if get stiff with the talks. The best they can do is start the talk (even if it's on India's term) and then make their ways into their points diplomatically.

They need to understand that they are not in a position to make Indian govt. to bend for them as India continue with this status quo for few more years without impacting it's own growth.
 
Ah Asim Bajwa the Pakistani Armed Forces' spin doctor - we've had hundreds of ceasefire violations on the border in the last 2 or 3 years yet not once, yes not even a single time, has Bajwa or his colleagues admitted that the firing was initiated by Pakistan. Are we really expected to believe that every single case of cross border firing was initiated by one side and one side alone?

The same goes for India - they always, 100% of the time, claim that they are only retaliating and never initiating. Yeah right.


Strike Rate said:
Army Chief visited CMH Sialkot to inquire about the health of injured civilians.

ISPR release:
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Slog said:
Not alleging anything or making any conclusions but this cross border tension and the whole atmosphere has taken a turn for the worst since Modi came into power.
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Things have changed under the new government because they seem to have ordered the Indian Army to respond strongly to any firing initiated by the Pakistanis. Of course I do appreciate the Pakistani pov is that there is never any unprovoked firing from their side however god knows who is telling the truth but it's difficult to believe that either side isn't taking part in such firing (as they both claim).

India will never fire first bullet, but won't stop retaliating if fired upon: Rajnath Singh

Maharajganj: Home Minister Rajnath Singh on Sunday said that India has never and will never open unprovoked fire on Pakistan but if there is firing from the other side, then Pakistan should not expect any mercy.

"Pakistan began firing on our borders without any reason in November. I saw that five of our soldiers had been martyred and houses were destroyed. When I asked the BSF as to why we are not reacting, they told me that they were waving the white flag so that there could have a dialogue and stop the firing. I told them that the first bullet should under no circumstances be fired from the Indian side, but if we are fired upon, then we should not stop retaliating and strike back even harder," Rajnath said here while addressing a public rally.

The Home Minister pointedly asked Pakistan to answer if India had ever opened unprovoked fire on their borders and how they could stand to take the lives of innocent civilians and slammed them for cancelling the NSA-level talks.

"Even today India wants to talk with Pakistan on terrorism. Our Prime Minister is continuously trying to do so, but it is not happening. But whenever we try to make any attempt for a dialogue, they begin firing," he said.

He added that, until the BJP government was in power, they would not let India's pride and dignity be sullied in any way.

Rajnath Singh had earlier visited AIIMS in New Delhi on Saturday and met police constable Mohammad Salim and BSF jawan Ashok Kumar who had been injured in the gunbattle with Pakistani terrorists in Rafiabad, Srinagar from which a terrorist had been captured alive.
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http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...ting-if-fired-upon-rajnath-singh_1664940.html
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Things have changed under the new government because they seem to have ordered the Indian Army to respond strongly to any firing initiated by the Pakistanis. Of course I do appreciate the Pakistani pov is that there is never any unprovoked firing from their side however god knows who is telling the truth but it's difficult to believe that either side isn't taking part in such firing (as they both claim).



http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...ting-if-fired-upon-rajnath-singh_1664940.html
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But do you really think Pakistan Army can afford do it first? Pak Army troops are busy in Waziristan and Khyber Agency than they are also busy in Baluchistan and agencies are busy working on national action plan in whole country from last 8-10 months after Army Public School tragedy you can see the results in whole country. I don't think at this point Pak Army is even interested to be busy on eastern border it's only going to damage their cause more and the success they are currently getting in operation Zarb-e-Azab and national action plan is not going to be possible.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
Things have changed under the new government because they seem to have ordered the Indian Army to respond strongly to any firing initiated by the Pakistanis. Of course I do appreciate the Pakistani pov is that there is never any unprovoked firing from their side however god knows who is telling the truth but it's difficult to believe that either side isn't taking part in such firing (as they both claim).



http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...ting-if-fired-upon-rajnath-singh_1664940.html
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So you're trying to say that India has only now started to 'respond strongly' and they never used to retaliate to the evil Pakistanis before Modi came into power?

MashaAllah. :91:
 
Red Devil said:
So you're trying to say that India has only now started to 'respond strongly' and they never used to retaliate to the evil Pakistanis before Modi came into power?

MashaAllah. :91:
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No he said that this is a possible explanation for the escalation in violence. Ie, a more aggressive Indian presence on the border.
 
Will the current Indo-Pak border tension lead to an all-out war?

With this constant shelling, LoC incidents, plus the whole phantom thing can this really happen?
 
I hope it never happens. Nuclear war will be disastrous for both countries.
 
Not happening. Both can't afford a war although this media war and loc incidents will continue as usual.

Even a short wat between 2 countries can result in a nuclear war so the world will make sure nothing like that happen.
 
What ever u two countries do, keep your beef out of Kashmir. :yk
 
lol,this is just a normal day in the park..going to war will mean the end of everything so no we are not going to war.
 
Not going to happen.

This whole border shelling could be a way to cover up bigger issues burning in both countries.
 
Military generals need regular doses of conflict and increased tensions. How else can they keep their jobs (by ensuring the country keeps large defence forces) as well as getting more billions for fancy new toys to play with?

And on the back of that, the military dependant industry owners needing to keep their bank balances being topped up by supplying new planes, guns, ships, tanks, armaments, ammunition, fuel, military infrastructure development and maintenance - even including the provision of uniforms, food supplies, catering services and all the myriad of other civilian services needed to keep the military going.

For every military individual in uniform, there's probably more than a few hundred, both inside and outside the military, who's livelihoods are dependant upon the military, directly or indirectly.
 
Yossarian said:
Military generals need regular doses of conflict and increased tensions. How else can they keep their jobs (by ensuring the country keeps large defence forces) as well as getting more billions for fancy new toys to play with?

And on the back of that, the military dependant industry owners needing to keep their bank balances being topped up by supplying new planes, guns, ships, tanks, armaments, ammunition, fuel, military infrastructure development and maintenance - even including the provision of uniforms, food supplies, catering services and all the myriad of other civilian services needed to keep the military going.

For every military individual in uniform, there's probably more than a few hundred, both inside and outside the military, who's livelihoods are dependant upon the military, directly or indirectly.
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You are right but this India-Pakistan Army rivalry benefits the Pakistan Army more than their Indian counterparts. Not only can Pakistan Army remain a favorite among the population , they get best defense deals and even run businesses worth Billions , remain in power behind puppet governments whereas Indian Army isnt even in the mainstream.
 
King Cobra said:
You are right but this India-Pakistan Army rivalry benefits the Pakistan Army more than their Indian counterparts. Not only can Pakistan Army remain a favorite among the population , they get best defense deals and even run businesses worth Billions , remain in power behind puppet governments whereas Indian Army isnt even in the mainstream.
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Don't be so naive. My post applies to both equally. In fact you could even argue that the military dependant Indian industry owners benefit far more than their Pakistani counterparts since much more of the Indian military equipment, such as tanks, planes, heavy armaments etc is home produced in comparison to Pakistan where, in percentage terms, far more of Pakistan's advanced equipment is bought from foreign suppliers.
 
Things have been far worse than this in the past and it didn't lead to war.

In an ideal world both nations should act maturely and sort out their differences however I can't see that happening anytime soon. However that doesn't mean we'll have war.

The nuclear deterrent actually works in the Sub-C. Sure their are hawks on both sides who like to engage in sabre-rattling but they are just playing up to the domestic audience. No one is suicidal enough to think a full blown war can be a good thing.
 
Also on the Indian side the primary concern just now is the economy - a war would set them back years on that front. On the Pakistani side it's terrorism which is their number 1 target - and for them to have a 'war' on both fronts would be disastrous.

So we are stuck with the status quo.
 
Going to war because of a movie with a b grade actor that has itself flopped at the box office.
 
General Kiyani's words: "If we lose even an inch of land, we go nuclear"


India should keep these words in mind before it decides to push its armored divisions into Pakistan
 
Syed1 said:
General Kiyani's words: "If we lose even an inch of land, we go nuclear"


India should keep these words in mind before it decides to push its armored divisions into Pakistan
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and then lose the entire land and majority of Indian land as well :-)
 
Fourth Ceasefire Violation by Pakistan in September

Jammu: Pakistani troops violated the ceasefire twice overnight by resorting to small arms firing and mortar shelling along the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Poonch districts, drawing retaliation from the Army.

"Pakistani Rangers fired two burst of small arms and two mortar shells on posts along IB in RS Pura sector of Jammu district around 02:00 hours", a senior BSF officer said.

There was no loss of life or injury to anyone in the firing and shelling, he said.

"In another ceasefire violation, the Pakistan army targeted Bhimber Gali (BG) sector of the LoC in Poonch district by resorting to small arms firing from 23:20 to 23:30 hours last night," a Defence Spokesman said today.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/fourth-ceasefire-violation-by-pakistan-in-september-1214235

This way relations cannot improve between the two countries.
 
http://tribune.com.pk/story/946562/army-chief-slams-indias-cowardly-ceasefire-violations/

“Firing by the Indian side started at around 23:30 hours last night, when Pakistani troops confronted India for using an excavator, near the Working Boundary without following the established SOPs. Pakistani troops initially exercised restraint; however, responded befittingly when India started heavy firing. The firing ended today at 11:00 hours,”
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Should look the both sides of picture before reaching conclusions
 
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It's the other way around, India doesn't want good relationship with Pakistan. Hindustan's behavior on this site and in the real world proves this. To be fair both sides blame each other for any kind of provocation but I am going to give Pakistan the benefit of doubt. Hindustan's recent attitude makes me believe the Pakistani army.
 
Pakistan Army is busy in Operation zarb e azab , Balochistan and in Karachi.Soon they will be busy all over pakistan. Every now and then they are providing helping facilities to those who become victims of flood etc.
just one question for ur common sense is why they would open up a new front against India at such a time??
if you cant find a reason get the help from Ndtv.

to my common sense India is trying to destabilize Pakistan so much that china backs out from CPEC thinking that a war is about to happen. It is because Pakistan have gained control over balochistan, Karachi other tribal areas and trible areas and things will get better in near future Insha ALLAH so let Pakistani army not give any space.
 
Why would Pakistan want to attack India condering the operation going on in Waziristan, Karachi and other areas. It's obviously India.
 
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Valid Posts . Why would Pakistan want to employ more Army on the Eastern Front when they are already busy in Karachi and Tribal areas of the Country , along with the problem with Afghanistan ? Does any Indian has an answer ?
 
Indian Media = Pakistan is doing every thing
Pakistan Media = India is doing every thing
Both will cancel out effect of each other, so Product = 0
 
bond007 said:
Pakistan Army is busy in Operation zarb e azab , Balochistan and in Karachi.Soon they will be busy all over pakistan. Every now and then they are providing helping facilities to those who become victims of flood etc.
just one question for ur common sense is why they would open up a new front against India at such a time??
if you cant find a reason get the help from Ndtv.

to my common sense India is trying to destabilize Pakistan so much that china backs out from CPEC thinking that a war is about to happen. It is because Pakistan have gained control over balochistan, Karachi other tribal areas and trible areas and things will get better in near future Insha ALLAH so let Pakistani army not give any space.
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shah_1 said:
Why would Pakistan want to take panga with India condering the operation going on in Waziristan, Karachi and other areas. It's obviously India.
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boomboomcheema said:
Valid Posts . Why would Pakistan want to employ more Army on the Eastern Front when they are already busy in Karachi and Tribal areas of the Country , along with the problem with Afghanistan ? Does any Indian has an answer ?
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This This and This
 
Maybe an attempt to divert from important issues in the country.
 
Dman said:
Maybe an attempt to divert from important issues in the country.
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Can you please highlight these issues, there are many issues but none are as important as Army operation against terrorists and their supporters at this very time.
 
Rishikesh said:
Perception from Indian side, Pakistan army is helping militants to infiltrate, army is trying to divert the attention of border security forces by firing at them.
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Pak Army is too much busy from last more than 1 year at Afghan border for Zarb-e-Azab and in different cities of Pakistan and Baluchistan to implement NAC (National Action Plan) there is no benefit for them to open another front. Even super powers like USA think twice before opening another front do you really think Pakistan have enough resources to handle multiple fronts?
 
Rishikesh said:
Perception from Indian side, Pakistan army is helping militants to infiltrate, army is trying to divert the attention of border security forces by firing at them.
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Pak Army & now civilians are of the view that India is supporting militancy near Afghan border.
 
Strike Rate said:
Pak Army is too much busy from last more than 1 year at Afghan border for Zarb-e-Azab and in different cities of Pakistan and Baluchistan to implement NAC (National Action Plan) there is no benefit for them to open another front. Even super powers like USA think twice before opening another front do you really think Pakistan have enough resources to handle multiple fronts?
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Brother Iam not saying that Pakistan army is interested in starting war, Read my post again.
 
Rishikesh said:
Brother Iam not saying that Pakistan army is interested in starting war, Read my post again.
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oh ok i just read it again. From what i remember India had invested a lot on loc and border a couple of years ago to prevent militants from entering and there were reports from indian side that its foolproof now?
 
Rishikesh said:
So you think it's ok to help militants in Kashmir side.
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First of all they are not Militants they are freedom fighter & they are fighting for the cause which ur PM Mr. Nahroo promised to them in front of whole world in 1948 (btw India went to UNO not Pakistan).

2ndly yes we support them morally & ethically as we want them to have independence & a right which was guranteed to them them by an Indian PM.

3rdly, Pakistan has never helped Kashmiris with weapons but yes I want Pak Army to help them with weapons.
 
Strike Rate said:
oh ok i just read it again. From what i remember India had invested a lot on loc and border a couple of years ago to prevent militants from entering and there were reports from indian side that its foolproof now?
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Still there are few difficult regions to monitor , have you noticed the time at which cease violations happens, it's very hard to maintain monitor these areas during night
 
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