Both Koreas agree to field a joint ice-hockey team but Pak India cannot even play vs each other?

[MenInG]

Great news for North & South Koreas but does make you wonder what it will take for Pak India to come together to even play AGAINST each other?

 

[MenInG]

Will this happen in our lifetime? A bilateral series?

 

[Slog]

Koreans are one people.

Pakistanis and Indians aren't. Only the British artificially made the subcontinent into one unit for their own administrative ease

 

[boomboomcheema]

Koreans are one people.

Pakistanis and Indians aren't. Only the British artificially made the subcontinent into one unit for their own administrative ease

Agree but would you say that current day Pakistan and India are also artificial Unions since they are a mix of many different ethnicities and people with very less in common with one another ?

 

[Slog]

Agree but would you say that current day Pakistan and India are also artificial Unions since they are a mix of many different ethnicities and people with very less in common with one another ?

yes but atleast there is some a legitimate reason behind Pakistan's founding ie it being Homeland for Muslims of subcontinent. It wasnt drawn up for ease of administration and there was an independence movement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No thaw in relations before 2020.

 

[Varun]

Will this happen in our lifetime? A bilateral series?

Of course we'll have a bilateral series at some point. Even a flood of them, like in the mid-2000s.

Past record states that expecting a multi-year thaw in relations is not wise, however.

 

[Madplayer]

None of the koreas has grabbed land.

 

[Pakistanian]

Korean is an ethnicity lol, strange comparison.
1.5 billion south asians would miss out opportunities if we onlt fielded one team. Korea together only has 70 million people, that's less than Punjab alone and many Indian states. If 1.5 billion people had to fight to be on an 11 man roster, that would be disastrous.

 

[imrankhannsu]

I would like to see Pakistan vs India series

 

[amax]

Koreans are one people , one ethnicity but Pakistanis and Indians are not , two of the most diverse multi ethnic countries.

 

[Syed1]

There are five, six ethnicities in Pakistan alone. Alot more in India.... meanwhile both Koreas are the same people with the same language.



We can hope for better relations between countries and then sporting ties will resume.

 

[troodon]

There are five, six ethnicities in Pakistan alone. Alot more in India.... meanwhile both Koreas are the same people with the same language.



We can hope for better relations between countries and then sporting ties will resume.

In a way both India and Pak are artificial countries. Both are still in tact because of Religion.

That is why I feel Hinduism is very important for India. Something that binds a Tamil to a Rajasthani or Punjabi or Himachali. Otherwise, the commonality is very minimal. I am sure it is the same for Pak when it comes to Sindhis/Muhajirs and Pashtuns.

 

[troodon]

Koreans are one people , one ethnicity but Pakistanis and Indians are not , two of the most diverse multi ethnic countries.

Most of South Korea is Christian. North Korea are still Buddhist or Traditional religion followers. A big difference when it comes to belief system.

 

[Syed1]

In a way both India and Pak are artificial countries. Both are still in tact because of Religion.

That is why I feel Hinduism is very important for India. Something that binds a Tamil to a Rajasthani or Punjabi or Himachali. Otherwise, the commonality is very minimal. I am sure it is the same for Pak when it comes to Sindhis/Muhajirs and Pashtuns.

That's true not sure about India, but Pakistan at times feels an artificial country and we are united generally by religion or things like cricketing achievement, natural disasters or tragedies (Zainab case) or our mutual dislike for India (not people but government)... However, 70 years since independence people across the board now speak Urdu even if their mother tongue is different and this is another factor that unites us. I noticed alot of South Indians that I've met had very limited grasp of Hindi and they were patriotic about their language.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Most of South Korea is Christian. North Korea are still Buddhist or Traditional religion followers. A big difference when it comes to belief system.

Was South Korea Christian before they became a USA client state? Always wondered how that relationship worked.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Most of South Korea is Christian. North Korea are still Buddhist or Traditional religion followers. A big difference when it comes to belief system.

I think only 35 % of the South Koreans are Christian while there is no freedom to follow religion in North Korea. The Number of Christians in North Korea are expected to rise with strong network of foreign funded evangelicals present in the country. I remember reading somewhere that at the time of division of Korean Peninsula, the Number of Christians present in South Korea were barely 1%.

While Christianity continues to lose followers in United States, the American Evangelists continue to propagate Christianity among Asian Countries and creating demographic changes which might create further divisions in the future.

I am sure there would be plenty of old folks in South Korea that follow Buddhist traditions and might be disgruntled at the cultural overtake of Christianity in their country.

 

[troodon]

Was South Korea Christian before they became a USA client state? Always wondered how that relationship worked.

From Wiki, it seems its the Italian, French missionaries that spread Christianity in Korea. Goes back to 18th century.

From the same Wiki,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Korea
Religious conflict[edit]
Fundamentalist Protestant antagonism against Buddhism has been a major issue for religious cooperation in South Korea, especially during the 1990s to late 2000s. Acts of vandalism against Buddhist amenities and "regular praying for the destruction of all Buddhist temples"[68][69] have drawn criticism. Buddhist statues have been considered as idols, attacked and decapitated. Arrests are hard to enforce, as the perpetrators work by stealth at night."[70] Such acts, which are supported by some Protestant leaders,[71] have led to South Koreans having an increasingly negative outlook on Protestantism and being critical of church groups involved, with many Protestants leaving their churches in recent years.[60][72]
In contrast, relations between South Korean Catholics and Buddhists and other faiths has remained largely cooperative, partly due to the syncretism of many Buddhist and Confucian customs and philosophies into South Korean Catholicism, most notably the practice of jesa.[73]


Yet another example of Abrahamic faiths at odds with Eastern Dharmic Faiths.

This is almost as bad as what Taliban did to Bamiyan Buddhas.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

From Wiki, it seems its the Italian, French missionaries that spread Christianity in Korea. Goes back to 18th century.

From the same Wiki,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Korea
Religious conflict[edit]
Fundamentalist Protestant antagonism against Buddhism has been a major issue for religious cooperation in South Korea, especially during the 1990s to late 2000s. Acts of vandalism against Buddhist amenities and "regular praying for the destruction of all Buddhist temples"[68][69] have drawn criticism. Buddhist statues have been considered as idols, attacked and decapitated. Arrests are hard to enforce, as the perpetrators work by stealth at night."[70] Such acts, which are supported by some Protestant leaders,[71] have led to South Koreans having an increasingly negative outlook on Protestantism and being critical of church groups involved, with many Protestants leaving their churches in recent years.[60][72]
In contrast, relations between South Korean Catholics and Buddhists and other faiths has remained largely cooperative, partly due to the syncretism of many Buddhist and Confucian customs and philosophies into South Korean Catholicism, most notably the practice of jesa.[73]


Yet another example of Abrahamic faiths at odds with Eastern Dharmic Faiths.

This is almost as bad as what Taliban did to Bamiyan Buddhas.

I find South Korea fascinating as a project, as I am thinking about how Pakistan's future might unfold. I would have preferred it had become a US colony, but I think that's not doable, so instead it could become a Chinese client state instead.

 

[troodon]

I think only 35 % of the South Koreans are Christian while there is no freedom to follow religion in North Korea. The Number of Christians in North Korea are expected to rise with strong network of foreign funded evangelicals present in the country. I remember reading somewhere that at the time of division of Korean Peninsula, the Number of Christians present in South Korea were barely 1%.

While Christianity continues to lose followers in United States, the American Evangelists continue to propagate Christianity among Asian Countries and creating demographic changes which might create further divisions in the future.

I am sure there would be plenty of old folks in South Korea that follow Buddhist traditions and might be disgruntled at the cultural overtake of Christianity in their country.

Africa is another prime example. Propagating Abrahmiac faiths among people and finally changing the demographics where people kill each other in the name of religion.

Whenever the native culture is taken over by a foreign one there will be lot of friction between the native and the incoming foreign culture. Indian subcontinent is also another example. Christianity is spreading like wild fire among Dalits and Tribals. The lure of being treated equal and of course financial incentives is too much to ignore for the poor.

 

[Lonewarrior]

i dont understand one simple thing.
if "A" country dont want to play with us.
thn why we have a wish to play with them.
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