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Brian Lara and Sachin Tendulkar's stats vs best bowlers

Rickz said:
Not really, people ignore Tendulkar's knocks under pressure and his ability to score in big games in comparison to Lara.
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How many other great players need a string of performances in losing causes, a list of 50's as an opening bat and knocks against Zimbabwe to justify their standing?
 
leatherface58 said:
I would pick Lara if I have to play against trundlers. SRT struggled against trundla' beauties like Razzaq, Cronje.
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Yep.

So true.

Sachin was wobbly against Razzaq and Cronje.

Why I don't know.
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Against spinners too. No one has played Murali with the kind of ease that Lara had, while he tackled Warne alright too. Tendulkar owned Warne, but against Murali in SL, he was not always sure (again compared to Lara he would pale in comparison).

I would like to cite an incident of a Test match in Pakistan where he was batting with Bravo, and Bravo was clearly struggling against Kaneria, wasn't able to read him at all. WI was about to collapse, with Bravo being their last defense to support Lara. Sensing trouble, Lara decided to switch ends, taking the responsibility to face Kaneria himself, and attacked him. His demolition of Kaneria forced Inzy to take him off the attack, and allowed Bravo a breather. Bravo settled himself to 30-odd valuable runs I believe, and gave WI some respite.

Such contributions usually get lost in scoreboards and stats-driven analysis.
 
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tempus123 said:
Against spinners too. No one has played Murali with the kind of ease that Lara had, while he tackled Warne alright too. Tendulkar owned Warne, but against Murali in SL, he was not always sure (again compared to Lara he would pale in comparison).

I would like to cite an incident of a Test match in Pakistan where he was batting with Bravo, and Bravo was clearly struggling against Kaneria, wasn't able to read him at all. WI was about to collapse, with Bravo being their last defense to support Lara. Sensing trouble, Lara decided to switch ends, taking the responsibility to face Kaneria himself, and attacked him. His demolition of Kaneria forced Inzy to take him off the attack, and allowed Bravo a breather. Bravo settled himself to 30-odd valuable runs I believe, and gave WI some respite.

Such contributions usually get lost in scoreboards and stats-driven analysis.
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Murali ranks Tendulkar the best batsman to play him, and Lara the second best.
 
Stallion__ said:
Is that necessary to point that out, everytime?

Sachin too got reprieve (missed stumping) in his Chennai knock when he was close to his century.

Missed chances are the part of the game, nothing out of ordinary here.
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His point probably was not to take anything away from the knock, but to point out that winning a match was pure luck.
 
miandadrules said:
Murali ranks Tendulkar the best batsman to play him, and Lara the second best.
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Certainly not. He and McGill rated Lara better than Tendulkar. It's for all to see, even if not recognized by the bowlers themselves. I can put my neck out and say no one played Murali at home at his peak, with the kind of ease Lara did (Sehwag, YK did but not as consistently)
 
tempus123 said:
Certainly not. He and McGill rated Lara better than Tendulkar. It's for all to see, even if not recognized by the bowlers themselves. I can put my neck out and say no one played Murali at home at his peak, with the kind of ease Lara did (Sehwag, YK did but not as consistently)
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Already acknowledged.
 
Kumar Sangakkara on Lara :


http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/375538.html

I have been unfortunate enough as a Sri Lanka cricketer to have witnessed him at his best at close quarters. The West Indian tour to Sri Lanka in November 2001 was The Brian Lara Show. In just six innings he scored 688 runs at 114.66, with three hundreds and a fifty. He did so at a time when Muttiah Muralitharan and Chaminda Vaas were at their lethal best on Sri Lankan pitches that had bite, bounce, turn and reverse swing. Yet West Indies still lost 0-3.

He is also the most destructive player of spin I have seen. To my mind he is the only batsman to have effectively tamed the threat of Murali and dominated him and Shane Warne. Brian has all the cliché attributes of a great player of spin: a good eye, quick feet, the ability to read from the hand, and an attacking attitude, combined with the most solid of forward defences. But to my mind what truly sets him apart and makes him such a fine player of spin, better than the rest, is that he is not content to react to the bowler. He keeps challenging himself in the middle of an innings to exploit the one area of the field the bowler wants him to exploit. I have seen Murali turn the ball square across him, with no midwicket, enticing him to play against the turn, and I have seen Brian keep driving, flicking and sweeping into that one vacant spot. Doing it once or twice is comprehensible, but to watch him do it for an entire session, it made you raise your eyebrows in amazement and wonder.
 
He is the only cricketer correct me to be featured on Time's magazine, got into top 11 Bradman, Benued, Wisden number 2 of all time. Top 7 of Wisden cricketers of all time.

The fact also remains he did not score a hundred against Donald and Tendulkar has played slightly more under pressure hundred innings than Lara. Also Tendulkar scored 116 and 52 2nd test facing McGrath, Warne, Brett Lee 2nd and 4th innings. Compare this to Lara's contribution in 2000.
 
Rickz said:
He is the only cricketer correct me to be featured on Time's magazine, got into top 11 Bradman, Benued, Wisden number 2 of all time. Top 7 of Wisden cricketers of all time.

The fact also remains he did not score a hundred against Donald and Tendulkar has played slightly more under pressure hundred innings than Lara. Also Tendulkar scored 116 and 52 2nd test facing McGrath, Warne, Brett Lee 2nd and 4th innings. Compare this to Lara's contribution in 2000.
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After all that why do Dravid, Laxman and Sehwag have more iconic innings?
 
The 135 should be higher ranked up than 105. And I get Laxman;s 281 was very important. Also Tendulkar scored 128 chasing 391 in the all and important third match against McGrath and Warne.

Tendulkar's 135 vs Pak when India 84-5, bringing them 16 runs of victory with 3 wickets in hand,
His 169 vs Donald, when India were pegged back at 54-5,
His 155 vs Warne facing a deficit,
His 145 vs Steyn at his best,
His 100 chasing 380 vs Eng,
His 116 vs Warne, McGrath in Australia 99, India 84-5,
His 193 counter attacking innings in a won test in England 2002,

You consistently ignored Lara's contribution in the 5 match test Australia series in 2000. Also his no hundred against Donald. Moreover, Lara did play very well in a series where he totally dominated Sri L compared to Sachin's knocks against McgRath, Warne in harder conditions in Australia 99 where he was the only batsman saving India.
 
Rickz said:
The 135 should be higher ranked up than 105. And I get Laxman;s 281 was very important. Also Tendulkar scored 128 chasing 391 in the all and important third match against McGrath and Warne.

Tendulkar's 135 vs Pak when India 84-5, bringing them 16 runs of victory with 3 wickets in hand,
His 169 vs Donald, when India were pegged back at 54-5,
His 155 vs Warne facing a deficit,
His 145 vs Steyn at his best,
His 100 chasing 380 vs Eng,
His 116 vs Warne, McGrath in Australia 99, India 84-5,
His 193 counter attacking innings in a won test in England 2002,

You consistently ignored Lara's contribution in the 5 match test Australia series in 2000. Also his no hundred against Donald. Moreover, Lara did play very well in a series where he totally dominated Sri L compared to Sachin's knocks against McgRath, Warne in harder conditions in Australia 99 where he was the only batsman saving India.
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Iconic innings only please.
 
Rickz said:
The 135 should be higher ranked up than 105. And I get Laxman;s 281 was very important. Also Tendulkar scored 128 chasing 391 in the all and important third match against McGrath and Warne.

Tendulkar's 135 vs Pak when India 84-5, bringing them 16 runs of victory with 3 wickets in hand,
His 169 vs Donald, when India were pegged back at 54-5,
His 155 vs Warne facing a deficit,
His 145 vs Steyn at his best,
His 100 chasing 380 vs Eng,
His 116 vs Warne, McGrath in Australia 99, India 84-5,
His 193 counter attacking innings in a won test in England 2002,

You consistently ignored Lara's contribution in the 5 match test Australia series in 2000. Also his no hundred against Donald. Moreover, Lara did play very well in a series where he totally dominated Sri L compared to Sachin's knocks against McgRath, Warne in harder conditions in Australia 99 where he was the only batsman saving India.
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Btw you sound like broken record, regurgitating the same paragraph over and over.
 
So Laxman has played an iconic innings, is this your criteria for determining which batsman is better? His 136 and 155 are iconic innings.

You ignored my last paragraph hence the repetition. I've justified all of your posts.
 
Rickz said:
The 135 should be higher ranked up than 105. And I get Laxman;s 281 was very important. Also Tendulkar scored 128 chasing 391 in the all and important third match against McGrath and Warne.

Tendulkar's 135 vs Pak when India 84-5, bringing them 16 runs of victory with 3 wickets in hand,
His 169 vs Donald, when India were pegged back at 54-5,
His 155 vs Warne facing a deficit,
His 145 vs Steyn at his best,
His 100 chasing 380 vs Eng,
His 116 vs Warne, McGrath in Australia 99, India 84-5,
His 193 counter attacking innings in a won test in England 2002,

You consistently ignored Lara's contribution in the 5 match test Australia series in 2000. Also his no hundred against Donald. Moreover, Lara did play very well in a series where he totally dominated Sri L compared to Sachin's knocks against McgRath, Warne in harder conditions in Australia 99 where he was the only batsman saving India.
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But he didn't save India though.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Ofcourse it doesnt matter, Cheating>>>>>>>>Non Cheating........... Agreed..
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Stop whining, it doesn't matter to the batsman if the fielder dropped the ball on purpose or by mistake.

Ofcourse, we can also shed some spot-light on Sachin tampering the ball if you are so interesting in discussing cheats. :)
 
Rickz said:
So Laxman has played an iconic innings, is this your criteria for determining which batsman is better? His 136 and 155 are iconic innings.

You ignored my last paragraph.
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Good innings isn't the same as Iconic.

In that case we might as well bring up Lara's 275.
 
Bilal7 said:
Stop whining, it doesn't matter to the batsman if the fielder dropped the ball on purpose or by mistake.

Ofcourse, we can also shed some spot-light on Sachin tampering the ball if you are so interesting in discussing cheats. :)
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Moin is a cheat, cheaters gonna cheat :angel:
 
Sorry, trying to save India, why do you keep ingnoring Lara has no hundred against Donald, his lack of contribution in Australia 2000 in 5 match test series.

You threw out the series were Lara dominated Sri Lanka and I replied back with Sachin the only India player dominating that series for them against better bowlers and the world's best team.
 
Romali_rotti said:
No proof and inconclusive, Javed Miandad was never given LBW in Pakistan which no one can prove was cheating either.... Greatest BUMPED catch of all time is there for all to see...
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What's the difference between Moin and Kumble?

Kumble's were inconclusive? That's convenient.
 
Rickz said:
Sorry, trying to save India, why do you keep ingnoring Lara has no hundred against Donald, his lack of contribution in Australia 2000 in 5 match test series.

You threw out the series were Lara dominated Sri Lanka and I replied back with Sachin the only India player with poor umpiring decision dominating that series against better bowlers and the world's best team.
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Talk about broken record.

No one is ignoring Lara's 2000 series. He has more than countered that with some of the most iconic knocks in the history of the game against Australia.

Unfortunately for you, Lara has scaled heights that Tendulkar didn't come close to. Tendulkar on the other hand was far more consistent.

Now, only Tendulkar had to deal with poor umpiring, whereas Umpires were enamoured with Lara.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Point is umpires make calls all the time, no one can prove Bucknor cheated, its bad luck, Big difference to Blant Cheating..............
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Moin appealed, let's say knowingly that it wasn't out, yet Kumble innocently appealed over and over again?

Very convenient.
 
What were the heights Lara achieved that Tendulkar didnt come close to?

I am curious.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Greatest BUMPED catch of all time and appealing for it, he shouldve been banned for just blant cheating..
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Can you conclusively prove that Moin saw it as a bump ball?

Certainly isn't the greatest either. Re Waugh-Lara.
 
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Scrolln said:
Came in an all important dead rubber after failing to score anything significant in all matches that mattered.

I think we can let this go.

Next please.
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On one hand Tendulkar didn't have match winning knocks because of poor Indian bowling yet still no iconic knocks despite playing in a substantial number of dead rubbers.
 
miandadrules said:
153 in 4th innings Vs Aus, 213 vs Aus, 277 Vs Aus.

501, 400, 375 to name a few.
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SRT has played knocks which are equally good as 213, and arguably better than his 277 vs Aus. I will rule the 153* in Lara's favor as i rate it as the second best test innings of all time. But to say SRT came nowhere close is harsh.

Lara himself has played arguably a dozen better innings than 400* and 375*, so i dont know why you're mentioning them?
 
miandadrules said:
On one hand Tendulkar didn't have match winning knocks because of poor Indian bowling yet still no iconic knocks despite playing in a substantial number of dead rubbers.
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Laralovers will find all Lara knocks iconic, and Sachinistas will do the same for SRT.

If you do not find SRT's domination of Warne in 1998 (which Ian Chappell described as the best session of play he has ever seen) as iconic then there's no point debating.
 
Scrolln said:
SRT has played knocks which are equally good as 213, and arguably better than his 277 vs Aus. I will rule the 153* in Lara's favor as i rate it as the second best test innings of all time. But to say SRT came nowhere close is harsh.

Lara himself has played arguably a dozen better innings than 400* and 375*, so i dont know why you're mentioning them?
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Please show which knocks were equivalent to the 213 under the circumstances?

Those are land mark knocks whether you like or not. It's iconic because he became the first man to reclaim the world record. It all adds to the legend.

Why could Tendulkar in 200 test matches do something similar?
 
Romali_rotti said:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/fFyTUob8LF0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Watch 8:16 onwards.... Cheated your way to a Victory...........
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That clears it up thanks.

So when a Pakistani appeals knowing it isn't out and the two umpires deliberate before giving it out it's cheating.

However, when an Indian who by coincidence is bowling from an end with an Indian umpire continually appeals knowing full well it was no where near close to being out, it's only appealing.
 
Scrolln said:
Laralovers will find all Lara knocks iconic, and Sachinistas will do the same for SRT.

If you do not find SRT's domination of Warne in 1998 (which Ian Chappell described as the best session of play he has ever seen) as iconic then there's no point debating.
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I guess Wisden is a Lara lover then.
 
miandadrules said:
I guess Wisden is a Lara lover then.
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If you take the Wisden as the bible than can you please elaborate as to why Harbhajan has more entries in the top 100 bowling performances of all time than Imran/Wasim/Waqar combined? In the same list Malcolm Marshall does not even get a mention.

Maybe Harby reached heights the aforementioned greats did not even come close to.
 
Scrolln said:
If you take the Wisden as the bible than can you please elaborate as to why Harbhajan has more entries in the top 100 bowling performances of all time than Imran/Wasim/Waqar combined? In the same list Malcolm Marshall does not even get a mention.

Maybe Harby reached heights the aforementioned greats did not even come close to.
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Waqar and Wasim never had a series like Harby did against Australia.

Unfortunately the rest of his career doesn't stack up to the 2Ws.
 
miandadrules said:
That clears it up thanks.

So when a Pakistani appeals knowing it isn't out and the two umpires deliberate before giving it out it's cheating.

However, when an Indian who by coincidence is bowling from an end with an Indian umpire continually appeals knowing full well it was no where near close to being out, it's only appealing.
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Cheaters gonna cheat....... Greatest bumped catch of all time..................
 
miandadrules said:
Please show which knocks were equivalent to the 213 under the circumstances?

Those are land mark knocks whether you like or not. It's iconic because he became the first man to reclaim the world record. It all adds to the legend.

Why could Tendulkar in 200 test matches do something similar?
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His final test hundred (146 against SA) in Cape Town for starters? He had Gambhir for support the same way Lara had Jimmy Adams in that innings. Both of them came after early wickets had fallen and their team was facing a huge deficit.

Two main differences in the innings being that while WI bowlers (Walsh/Ambrose) could destroy the Aus batting in the second innings, a relatively incompetent Indian attack failed to do so. And SRT played that knock in SA, while Lara did it in the safe shores of home.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Cheaters gonna cheat....... Greatest bumped catch of all time..................
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Cheaters definitely going to cheat.

If I had a lower intellect I guess the suitable retort would be with your logic Kumble's 10 was greatest case of home cooking ever.
 
miandadrules said:
That clears it up thanks.

So when a Pakistani appeals knowing it isn't out and the two umpires deliberate before giving it out it's cheating.

However, when an Indian who by coincidence is bowling from an end with an Indian umpire continually appeals knowing full well it was no where near close to being out, it's only appealing.
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Which incident of Kumble you are referring to here ?
 
Scrolln said:
His final test hundred (146 against SA) in Cape Town for starters? He had Gambhir for support the same way Lara had Jimmy Adams in that innings. Both of them came after early wickets had fallen and their team was facing a huge deficit.

Two main differences in the innings being that while WI bowlers (Walsh/Ambrose) could destroy the Aus batting in the second innings, a relatively incompetent Indian attack failed to do so. And SRT played that knock in SA, while Lara did it in the safe shores of home.
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Sure that was the main difference.

That is not an iconic innings it's a quality innings. Was Tendulkar the skipper coming off a humiliating defeat, on the verge of being sacked with his own fans baying for his blood?

Also shall we ignore that Lara was facing a superior bowling attack?
 
tempus123 said:
Actually Moin also urged Saqlain to bowl the next delivery early before umpires have a rethink. It clearly showed he knew.
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Oh hell yes Moin knew exactly what he was doing.. It was utterly disgusting, greatest bumped catch of all time..
 
tempus123 said:
Actually Moin also urged Saqlain to bowl the next delivery early before umpires have a rethink. It clearly showed he knew.
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Moin has some sway over the umpires.

You'd think they would have selected umpires with a little more resolve.
 
miandadrules said:
Moin has some sway over the umpires.

You'd think they would have selected umpires with a little more resolve.
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The urging to Saqlain was to make sure the next delivery is bowled and then umpires can't change their decision.

That was one of the worst umpiring decisions of all time, I believe. Not because it was a wrong decision, but because they, even after consulting among themselves, didn't find it fit to refer it to third umpire.
 
tempus123 said:
The urging to Saqlain was to make sure the next delivery is bowled and then umpires can't change their decision.

That was one of the worst umpiring decisions of all time, I believe. Not because it was a wrong decision, but because they, even after consulting among themselves, didn't find it fit to refer it to third umpire.
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Yet the blame lies on Moin, when other players are absolved.

Let's make it clear that I'm not defending Moin but the questioning the duplicity of the logic being used.
 
miandadrules said:
Yet the blame lies on Moin, when other players are absolved.

Let's make it clear that I'm not defending Moin but the questioning the duplicity of the logic being used.
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The blame lies on Moin because he knew he was cheating. I respect(ed) Moin as a fierce competitor and a fighter, but that act didn't sit well with me.

If you can throw light on Kumble incident, may be we can talk about it also.
 
miandadrules said:
Sure that was the main difference.

That is not an iconic innings it's a quality innings. Was Tendulkar the skipper coming off a humiliating defeat, on the verge of being sacked with his own fans baying for his blood?

Also shall we ignore that Lara was facing a superior bowling attack?
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Which bowlers made the attack superior ?
 
miandadrules said:
Sure that was the main difference.

That is not an iconic innings it's a quality innings. Was Tendulkar the skipper coming off a humiliating defeat, on the verge of being sacked with his own fans baying for his blood?

Also shall we ignore that Lara was facing a superior bowling attack?
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Warne was in terrible form in that series averaging 100+ taking 2 wickets in 3 matches.

I can argue that facing McGrath/Gillispie at home is easier than facing Steyn/Morkel away. However McGill bowled decently in the WI tour when he wasn't serving full tosses. The difference isn't as much as you'd think.

As for the circumstances are concerned, if we start taking those into consideration, i can name innings like his Chennai 136 when he played one of the greatest knocks with cramps all over his body against a legit Pak bowling attack. This was the first Indo-Pak test in 10 years i believe?

There is also a small point of SRT being under more public scrutiny than arguably any other sportsman ever due to him being born in a country that can claim to be decent only in one major sport.
 
tempus123 said:
The blame lies on Moin because he knew he was cheating. I respect(ed) Moin as a fierce competitor and a fighter, but that act didn't sit well with me.

If you can throw light on Kumble incident, may be we can talk about it also.
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How can you say conclusively that Moin knew it wasn't out yet Kumble was appealing innocently in the Afridi dismissal.

The irony being that Romali is complaining about Ganguly being wronged, when he himself tried blatantly claiming a bump ball catch in a World Cup final. That was a far more clean cut issue but only Moin, is the guilty party?
 
Scrolln said:
Warne was in terrible form in that series averaging 100+ taking 2 wickets in 3 matches.

I can argue that facing McGrath/Gillispie at home is easier than facing Steyn/Morkel away. However McGill bowled decently in the WI tour when he wasn't serving full tosses. The difference isn't as much as you'd think.

As for the circumstances are concerned, if we start taking those into consideration, i can name innings like his Chennai 136 when he played one of the greatest knocks with cramps all over his body against a legit Pak bowling attack. This was the first Indo-Pak test in 10 years i believe?

There is also a small point of SRT being under more public scrutiny than arguably any other sportsman ever due to him being born in a country that can claim to be decent only in one major sport.
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This is where I have an issue.

Look at the spin you're trying too put on it.

A legit Pakistan attack? An overweight, diabetic Wasim and a Waqar returning from a career threatening back injury as a shell of his former self. I think Mushy may have played to, even though he was finished as a world class bowler 2 seasons prior. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way. And yet SRT didn't succeed did he? When the pressure was applied he folded and saw his team succumb to defeat.
 
miandadrules said:
How can you say conclusively that Moin knew it wasn't out yet Kumble was appealing innocently in the Afridi dismissal.

The irony being that Romali is complaining about Ganguly being wronged, when he himself tried blatantly claiming a bump ball catch in a World Cup final. That was a far more clean cut issue but only Moin, is the guilty party?
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If you watch the video, it is clear that no way in the world, could Moin not know it. It was not a close bump catch, but a clear half foot rebound. Plus his urgency to make Saqlain bowl the next delivery soon was making it all clear.

Afridi dismissal on the other hand, was appealed by the WK and surely you don't expect a bowler to know from 22 yards if the faint edge happened or not. While analysing his wickets, Kumble later confirmed that in his opinion, Afridi did edge the ball, that makes it clear that at least he didn't knowingly appeal.

Seriously you can't compare these two dismissals.

About Ganguly claiming catch of Gilly, most likely he was just trying to inject some life in the lost match, and he laughed about it too after the appeal was rejected. Though I agree, he had no business appealing that.
 
miandadrules said:
How can you say conclusively that Moin knew it wasn't out yet Kumble was appealing innocently in the Afridi dismissal.

The irony being that Romali is complaining about Ganguly being wronged, when he himself tried blatantly claiming a bump ball catch in a World Cup final. That was a far more clean cut issue but only Moin, is the guilty party?
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Are you talking about the Afridi wicket during that 10 wicket innings?

I think there is a significant difference in claiming a bump catch. Fielders know, or at least have an idea when it is a bump catch. Thats why when a fielder is not sure, he asks for the catch to be referred.

As for the Afridi wicket, there is a huge noise which sounds like nick when Afridi's bat hit his pad just as the ball whizzed through his bat.

Though I dont know why are we discussing two irrelevant event which happened 16 years back? And what has that got to do with Lara vs tendulkar
 
miandadrules said:
This is where I have an issue.

Look at the spin you're trying too put on it.

A legit Pakistan attack? An overweight, diabetic Wasim and a Waqar returning from a career threatening back injury as a shell of his former self. I think Mushy may have played to, even though he was finished as a world class bowler 2 seasons prior. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way. And yet SRT didn't succeed did he? When the pressure was applied he folded and saw his team succumb to defeat.
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Honestly speaking, the same could be said of Australian attack too. You conveniently forgot Saqlain's role. Plus in that match it was Wasim and Waqar who did the early damage in the second innings.
 
tempus123 said:
If you watch the video, it is clear that no way in the world, could Moin not know it. It was not a close bump catch, but a clear half foot rebound. Plus his urgency to make Saqlain bowl the next delivery soon was making it all clear.

Afridi dismissal on the other hand, was appealed by the WK and surely you don't expect a bowler to know from 22 yards if the faint edge happened or not. While analysing his wickets, Kumble later confirmed that in his opinion, Afridi did edge the ball, that makes it clear that at least he didn't knowingly appeal.

Seriously you can't compare these two dismissals.

About Ganguly claiming catch of Gilly, most likely he was just trying to inject some life in the lost match, and he laughed about it too after the appeal was rejected. Though I agree, he had no business appealing that.
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Here we go again.

Moin cheated, yet Ganguly was injecting life.
 
miandadrules said:
This is where I have an issue.

Look at the spin you're trying too put on it.

A legit Pakistan attack? An overweight, diabetic Wasim and a Waqar returning from a career threatening back injury as a shell of his former self. I think Mushy may have played to, even though he was finished as a world class bowler 2 seasons prior. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way. And yet SRT didn't succeed did he? When the pressure was applied he folded and saw his team succumb to defeat.
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Didn't the same attack nearly win you a world cup 4 months down the line?
 
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