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The British High Commissioner has thrown the ECB under the bus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="nl" dir="ltr">Aakhir main jeet cricket kee hogee <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVsEng?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVsEng</a><a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iramizraja</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> <a href="https://t.co/JNgOMcuD7Q">pic.twitter.com/JNgOMcuD7Q</a></p>— Christian Turner (@CTurnerFCDO) <a href="https://twitter.com/CTurnerFCDO/status/1440323635433017344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The British High Commissioner has thrown the ECB under the bus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="nl" dir="ltr">Aakhir main jeet cricket kee hogee <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVsEng?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVsEng</a><a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iramizraja</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> <a href="https://t.co/JNgOMcuD7Q">pic.twitter.com/JNgOMcuD7Q</a></p>— Christian Turner (@CTurnerFCDO) <a href="https://twitter.com/CTurnerFCDO/status/1440323635433017344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ramiz should take this video to the ICC Dispute resolution committee and make the ECB Sign a binding agreement with guarantees to be paid to the PCB with interest should the ECB fail to tour Pakistan in 2022
 
Ramiz should take this video to the ICC Dispute resolution committee and make the ECB Sign a binding agreement with guarantees to be paid to the PCB with interest should the ECB fail to tour Pakistan in 2022

The only thing Rameez needs to do is host Eng, Aust and NZ in UAE for home games. Then Try to convince other teams to travel Pakistan.

Apart from that nothing more Rameez or PCB can do here in real life. In fantasy world, we can assume many things.
 
Well if the British media and govt can paint ECB in a bad note, put pressure and get them to tour Pakistan in the recent future then I have to say Rameez Raja has played a blinder with his said bluntness.. something which I have been quite critical of. Will have to wait and see how things unfold
 
British high commission see no safety issues with pakistan. Let see how england weasel out of the 2022. PCB should stand firm now, england can forfeit + compensate or stay at home. There mental fatigue excuse wont work next year.
 
The British High Commissioner has thrown the ECB under the bus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="nl" dir="ltr">Aakhir main jeet cricket kee hogee <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVsEng?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVsEng</a><a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iramizraja</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> <a href="https://t.co/JNgOMcuD7Q">pic.twitter.com/JNgOMcuD7Q</a></p>— Christian Turner (@CTurnerFCDO) <a href="https://twitter.com/CTurnerFCDO/status/1440323635433017344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This sets a very dangerous precedence....what if England players are too tired to tour Sri Lanka...how about Bangladesh? What if they don't like the Windies any more, or only want 1 test and a couple of T20s? Dangerous, dangerous game the ECB are player power is playing in all this.
 
ECB's reasoning makes no sense.

Their security team is ok with the tour but they arent?

No wonder they are copping brickbats everywhere.
 
This sets a very dangerous precedence....what if England players are too tired to tour Sri Lanka...how about Bangladesh? What if they don't like the Windies any more, or only want 1 test and a couple of T20s? Dangerous, dangerous game the ECB are player power is playing in all this.

England have already cancelled SL, S.A, Bangladesh and now pakistan tours.

As far as england are concerned they just want their summer filled, play in IPL and any ICC tourney.
 
The British High Commissioner has thrown the ECB under the bus.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="nl" dir="ltr">Aakhir main jeet cricket kee hogee <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakVsEng?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakVsEng</a><a href="https://twitter.com/iramizraja?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iramizraja</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRealPCB?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheRealPCB</a> <a href="https://t.co/JNgOMcuD7Q">pic.twitter.com/JNgOMcuD7Q</a></p>— Christian Turner (@CTurnerFCDO) <a href="https://twitter.com/CTurnerFCDO/status/1440323635433017344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It is thanks to people like this, who are willing to speak the truth about the situation, that we are able to get a glimpse of how poor ECB's decision has been.

This is a revelation: not only does this show that the English government did not force ECB, it shows that they have made an entirely baseless decision.

Had their security delegation and British High Commission stated that the security arrangements were sub-par, Pakistan would have nothing.

This is a great injustice, actually, it is racial discrimination against us. It is good that there are people whose hearts are in the right places, who stand up to such discrimination and poor treatment when they see this.

I will repeat: a friend in need is a friend indeed. Pakistan extended the hand of support to NZC and ECB, and they threw that support and respect away when they decided to abandon their tours without considering what the ground reality was.

One thing which does stand out now is that the NZC and their government made the decision to abandon the tour: as per the British High Commission, the evidence was not strong enough to dissuade England's tour of Pakistan.

Ramiz and the PCB now have multiple avenues to address this issue, and we need to exercise all of them:

1.) Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan are willing to send their teams. Inquire and get statements from all these boards, ask them their thoughts on the security arrangements, and if they are willing to send their teams.

2.) NZC abandoned the tour on a decision they made along with their government; this Five Eyes' evidence was not strong enough to dissuade the British High Commission, so it is clear they bailed out. Tom Latham made a statement about the security being excellent, you have a press release with David White agreeing to look into compensations, and you have the negligence showed by NZC to avoid sharing this evidence. You have multiple players talking about safety arrangements, you have the approval of the security delegations in place. It is time to deal NZC a hit that they will remember for a long time; this is not just a hit dealt by Pakistan, but a hit dealt by those who have been victim to discrimination among international politics. This is a hit that will rock the Big 3, because we'll have made an example of one of their subordinates.

3.) With England in mind, PCB must contact the ECB to make compensations. They made the personal decision to pull out; their government did not force them to make this decision. Their security delegation approved of the measures in place, and deemed the tour to go on. If player fatigue is such an issue, then England should be ready to compensate us for their own poor management of their players. That reason is shallow, and with the statement made by the British High Commission, they will have nowhere to run.

Take money away from those in power and their egos will be crushed.

Pakistan must be the next party to exchange blows, because this will not only show that all boards need to be treated as equals, it will help other, smaller boards stand up to these types of injustices and absurd demands.

SLC, BCB, and ACB are standing with us because they too have experienced this discrimination: English players refused to tour BD in 2016, England canceled a tour of SA and SLC, and Australia refuses to play against Afghanistan for a series that was already decided to take place.

Now is the time to speak up, and stand up for ourselves. It is the time to end this mentality that western, white boards can make the decisions they want on their own personal terms and agendas.

If we fail to make a move, we will have done a great injustice with this beautiful sport, but also a great injustice in failing to destroy this racist mindset in it's weakest stage.

It is time for all these boards who have been victim to such crude, shambolic decisions to stand together, and deal a hit to the Big 3 which they will keep in mind whenever this thought crosses their minds again.

Now is not the time to look at past differences, it is the time to focus on what can be improved for the future.

You may call me dramatic, you may call be irrational, but I know racism when I see it, and I know when it is right to stand up for those who have suffered in the past, and those who will continue to suffer if we don't take the actions we need to right now.

I rest my case.
 
Divide and rule strategy on display.
Say one thing ..do other thing.
Keep others confused.
If a govt directive can ask a team to abandon tour then can a govt directive not be sent to not abandon tour.
Why High commission not send such directive to ECB?
Its a divide and rule and keep opposition confused strategy they way i see it
 
NZ left the tour due to their government becoming involved.

However, ECB independently decided to skip the tour. Shows Pakistan has no cricketing allies. ECB could have revived Pakistan cricket in a matter of a week.
 
ECB's reasoning makes no sense.

Their security team is ok with the tour but they arent?

No wonder they are copping brickbats everywhere.

Lol it’s so hard to digest for us fans because of the amount of ** in their statement, they could’ve sent 14 different players who haven’t been in the bubble for England if they were so concerned about mental well being of the current squad.

They didn’t say security was the reason, and that they were worried about the players mental well being due to being in a bubble all year long, but then why couldn’t they send the women’s team? How many bubbles have the women’s team been in? Surely their schedule wasn’t as jam packed as the men’s?

ECB just didn’t want to go, they didn’t come in 2020, they never came in 2021 and now PCB should cut ties with ECB, imo because we get nothing back from them.
 
It's Pakistan's own fault for doing favours for white people and trusting their word at all. This is what they do.

Pakistan is not even set to tour England for a while so they don't have to worry about any consequences or repercussions for a long time.
 
The only thing Rameez needs to do is host Eng, Aust and NZ in UAE for home games. Then Try to convince other teams to travel Pakistan.

Apart from that nothing more Rameez or PCB can do here in real life. In fantasy world, we can assume many things.

Maybe your struggling to understand so i ll repeat it again

Uae isnt an option full stop Neither is any other neutral territory Home matches will only be held in pakistan
 
Maybe your struggling to understand so i ll repeat it again

Uae isnt an option full stop Neither is any other neutral territory Home matches will only be held in pakistan

He knows. He just wants Pakistan to be a doormat.
 
absolute bottle job by the ECB and the british government trying to deflect blame on each other.
 
Lol it’s so hard to digest for us fans because of the amount of ** in their statement, they could’ve sent 14 different players who haven’t been in the bubble for England if they were so concerned about mental well being of the current squad.

They didn’t say security was the reason, and that they were worried about the players mental well being due to being in a bubble all year long, but then why couldn’t they send the women’s team? How many bubbles have the women’s team been in? Surely their schedule wasn’t as jam packed as the men’s?

ECB just didn’t want to go, they didn’t come in 2020, they never came in 2021 and now PCB should cut ties with ECB, imo because we get nothing back from them.

I think this treatment has been happening for a long time and only now the younger generations are becoming conscious enough to understand how spiteful and petty some people can be.
 
Extremely ordinary stuff from ECB. They couldn’t even send 15 decent players out of their pool of talent if mental fatigue of two T20Is was an issue?
 
How can the ECB hold security concerns when their own government gave the green light?
 
Divide and rule strategy on display.
Say one thing ..do other thing.
Keep others confused.
If a govt directive can ask a team to abandon tour then can a govt directive not be sent to not abandon tour.
Why High commission not send such directive to ECB?
Its a divide and rule and keep opposition confused strategy they way i see it

So is it now British high commission’s job to send “directives”?
 
absolute bottle job by the ECB and the british government trying to deflect blame on each other.

ECB thrown under the bus who threw players under the bus and everyone threw NZ under the buss lol
 
ECB thrown under the bus who threw players under the bus and everyone threw NZ under the buss lol

this is exactly what happens when you protest instead of being a good little boy and be like 'sorry nzc you feel insecure - its ok go back home'. i agree with you ! :)

all these western powers are complete and utter hypocrites. wo karein to dance ham karein to mujra.
 
Well this clears up a few misgivings regarding the local High Commission advising ECB not to tour.
 
Englands womens team have said they are disappointed that the tours been cancelled and say the so called workloads and stress issue was a load of rubbish. This was a board decision, plus it was mentioned these fixtures were know 5 or 6 months ago so why complain of fatigue now, complete loads of nonsense from ECB here.
 
Pakistan were ill prepared for England, should have arranged a team of psychiatrists for the touring team.
 
Can the PCB use these facts in the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee to strengthen its claim for compensation? I hope RR and WK don't fall for the ECB and British High Commission bait that we will tour you in 2022. Make them sign guarantee money
 
On ground security consultant’s advice for tour?

So what I understand from all other threads is

1. ECB cancelled due to mental fatigue etc of the players.
2. Travel advisory to Pakistan has not changed.
3. On ground security consultants for ECB’s advice is still that it is safe to tour Pakistan.
4. On ground security consultants for ECB and NZC are same.
5. NZC cited the advice of on ground security consultant as one of the main reasons for tour abandonment.

So the question is that is the advice of on ground security consultant different for ECB and NZC? Or am I missing something?
 
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Fawad Chaudry has said that the Govt of Pakistan was going to seperately sue the ECB, NZCB and the relevant authorities to recoup the losses suffered by PTV. RR has already said he is going to go to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee for Compensation from Both NZCB and the ECB. Given the facts that are now coming to the fore, i think the PCB and the Govt of Pakistan have a pretty strong case.
 
Fawad Chaudry has said that the Govt of Pakistan was going to seperately sue the ECB, NZCB and the relevant authorities to recoup the losses suffered by PTV. RR has already said he is going to go to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee for Compensation from Both NZCB and the ECB. Given the facts that are now coming to the fore, i think the PCB and the Govt of Pakistan have a pretty strong case.

I hope so. But given our historical attitude of “matti pao “, this may get pushed under the carpet.

Nonetheless, this last week was an eye opener. I had no idea that sports world is still so nakedly “might is right” type and racist.
 
How is that possible? Are ECB so naive? Don't they know they will have to face consequences if they decide against the tour on their own?
If they have done it, then I hope PCB takes them to task.
 
The only thing Rameez needs to do is host Eng, Aust and NZ in UAE for home games. Then Try to convince other teams to travel Pakistan.

Apart from that nothing more Rameez or PCB can do here in real life. In fantasy world, we can assume many things.

Wondering what IQ is required to understand that Pakistan will not play any home series away from home . Pakistan cricket cricket cannot be taken back 12 years .
 
I dont know why some people are taking this so seriously?

Let me give one real life example :
6 years back-->
I asked for career promotion from my manager; after few months it turned out I did not get it.. My manager said he recommended me , but unfortunately something happened and I could not get it

Today , I am he manager -->
I can tell you everyone in leadership gets involved in decision making ; and then everyone is given task what they have to say to defend this DECISION.


====Coming back to the context here====
If English dailies before ECB scrapped the tour would have said; hey we get the info. that our might be called off, can ECB take proactive measures so that it will go ahead as planed..
Then it was different .. But here now writing articles slamming ECB will not help anyone except these dailies attracting more views ..

And for British High Commissioner : No need to speak in Urdu just to show that he cared..If he really cared he could have said, I am looking forward to the ECB tour and I have made arrangements to meet players..then it could have been genuine efforts

Coming to twitter now, showing tears and sad faces, will not really help
 
I hope so. But given our historical attitude of “matti pao “, this may get pushed under the carpet.

Nonetheless, this last week was an eye opener. I had no idea that sports world is still so nakedly “might is right” type and racist.

They will not get anything...
ECB, NZC can possibly quote security concerns to their players

Has Cricket South Africa asked for compensations? No because they know they can not get anything..
Has ECB asked for compensation from BCCI? Again, no because even ECB know they can not get anything..

These tours are binding based on mutual understanding and one party can pull out citing any genuine reasons related to safety or threat..

That is why Australia/ England set the worst possible precedent by pulling out from CSA tours..
 
Englands womens team have said they are disappointed that the tours been cancelled and say the so called workloads and stress issue was a load of rubbish. This was a board decision, plus it was mentioned these fixtures were know 5 or 6 months ago so why complain of fatigue now, complete loads of nonsense from ECB here.
exactly

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NZ and England are those teams who have parallel B/C/Z teams playing competitive cricket
For England arranging 12 abled men to play 2 internationals in 4 days is not a big deal; but they still refused.

Connotations are related to what Zim cricket faced str the start of Mugabe tenure...That was political, this is political

We as Pakistanis need to understand politics and sports can not be separated.. And us supporting new regime in Afghanistan is the main reason

And I can force, post WT20 (if pakistan's performance is not good).. Even Bangladesh and West Indies are going to refuse to tour
 
They will not get anything...
ECB, NZC can possibly quote security concerns to their players

Has Cricket South Africa asked for compensations? No because they know they can not get anything..
Has ECB asked for compensation from BCCI? Again, no because even ECB know they can not get anything..

These tours are binding based on mutual understanding and one party can pull out citing any genuine reasons related to safety or threat..

That is why Australia/ England set the worst possible precedent by pulling out from CSA tours..

CSA and English cannot do much because Covid was a factor for their tours being abandoned. With the NZCB and the ECB, Covid was not a factor and neither was security therefore this is a totally different ball game where the PCB has a really strong case
 
England have already cancelled SL, S.A, Bangladesh and now pakistan tours.

As far as england are concerned they just want their summer filled, play in IPL and any ICC tourney.

This is true. The problem is, these boards need to unite and refuse all future tours to England until they are repaid in full.
 
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Fawad Chaudry has said that the Govt of Pakistan was going to seperately sue the ECB, NZCB and the relevant authorities to recoup the losses suffered by PTV. RR has already said he is going to go to the ICC Dispute Resolution Committee for Compensation from Both NZCB and the ECB. Given the facts that are now coming to the fore, i think the PCB and the Govt of Pakistan have a pretty strong case.

Fawad Chaudhry after India defeat in WC semifinal:
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Fawad Chaudhry after NZ pullout: Friendship with NewZeeland - CANCELLED!:asif
 
Its high times all the members from ICC resign, leave Ind, Eng, Aus and NZ and form new ICC. Big 3 along with NZ can play together and arrange World CUP...
All the members are small but working together can make a big impact.
 
lol this so bad from ECB, at least we had a threat and were advised to leave.

Their authorities are fine with the tour and they bailed citing a bogus reason.

If the players don't feel safe, just say it rather than using COVID related stress/fatigue as an excuse.
 
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They will not get anything...
ECB, NZC can possibly quote security concerns to their players

Has Cricket South Africa asked for compensations? No because they know they can not get anything..
Has ECB asked for compensation from BCCI? Again, no because even ECB know they can not get anything..

These tours are binding based on mutual understanding and one party can pull out citing any genuine reasons related to safety or threat..

That is why Australia/ England set the worst possible precedent by pulling out from CSA tours..
We can, ECB can't.

High commission said the security was okay yet they pulled out. PCB can definitely go after them.
 
ECB thrown under the bus who threw players under the bus and everyone threw NZ under the buss lol
Pakistani's threw NZ under the bus, most neutrals are glad NZ pulled out when there were credible and direct intel regarding attacks on the team.
 
It is thanks to people like this, who are willing to speak the truth about the situation, that we are able to get a glimpse of how poor ECB's decision has been.

This is a revelation: not only does this show that the English government did not force ECB, it shows that they have made an entirely baseless decision.

Had their security delegation and British High Commission stated that the security arrangements were sub-par, Pakistan would have nothing.

This is a great injustice, actually, it is racial discrimination against us. It is good that there are people whose hearts are in the right places, who stand up to such discrimination and poor treatment when they see this.

I will repeat: a friend in need is a friend indeed. Pakistan extended the hand of support to NZC and ECB, and they threw that support and respect away when they decided to abandon their tours without considering what the ground reality was.

One thing which does stand out now is that the NZC and their government made the decision to abandon the tour: as per the British High Commission, the evidence was not strong enough to dissuade England's tour of Pakistan.

Ramiz and the PCB now have multiple avenues to address this issue, and we need to exercise all of them:

1.) Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan are willing to send their teams. Inquire and get statements from all these boards, ask them their thoughts on the security arrangements, and if they are willing to send their teams.

2.) NZC abandoned the tour on a decision they made along with their government; this Five Eyes' evidence was not strong enough to dissuade the British High Commission, so it is clear they bailed out. Tom Latham made a statement about the security being excellent, you have a press release with David White agreeing to look into compensations, and you have the negligence showed by NZC to avoid sharing this evidence. You have multiple players talking about safety arrangements, you have the approval of the security delegations in place. It is time to deal NZC a hit that they will remember for a long time; this is not just a hit dealt by Pakistan, but a hit dealt by those who have been victim to discrimination among international politics. This is a hit that will rock the Big 3, because we'll have made an example of one of their subordinates.

3.) With England in mind, PCB must contact the ECB to make compensations. They made the personal decision to pull out; their government did not force them to make this decision. Their security delegation approved of the measures in place, and deemed the tour to go on. If player fatigue is such an issue, then England should be ready to compensate us for their own poor management of their players. That reason is shallow, and with the statement made by the British High Commission, they will have nowhere to run.

Take money away from those in power and their egos will be crushed.

Pakistan must be the next party to exchange blows, because this will not only show that all boards need to be treated as equals, it will help other, smaller boards stand up to these types of injustices and absurd demands.

SLC, BCB, and ACB are standing with us because they too have experienced this discrimination: English players refused to tour BD in 2016, England canceled a tour of SA and SLC, and Australia refuses to play against Afghanistan for a series that was already decided to take place.

Now is the time to speak up, and stand up for ourselves. It is the time to end this mentality that western, white boards can make the decisions they want on their own personal terms and agendas.

If we fail to make a move, we will have done a great injustice with this beautiful sport, but also a great injustice in failing to destroy this racist mindset in it's weakest stage.

It is time for all these boards who have been victim to such crude, shambolic decisions to stand together, and deal a hit to the Big 3 which they will keep in mind whenever this thought crosses their minds again.

Now is not the time to look at past differences, it is the time to focus on what can be improved for the future.

You may call me dramatic, you may call be irrational, but I know racism when I see it, and I know when it is right to stand up for those who have suffered in the past, and those who will continue to suffer if we don't take the actions we need to right now.

I rest my case.
Negligence to share private 5 eyes intel lmao.

What world are you living in? :raja
 
lol this so bad from ECB, at least we had a threat and were advised to leave.

Their authorities are fine with the tour and they bailed citing a bogus reason.

If the players don't feel safe, just say it rather than using COVID related stress/fatigue as an excuse.

Reminds me The pot calling the kettle black. If NZ has this so-called threat it should same for England because all NZ, Eng and Aus are from same block because those so-called 5 eyes.
 
Reminds me The pot calling the kettle black. If NZ has this so-called threat it should same for England because all NZ, Eng and Aus are from same block because those so-called 5 eyes.
World of difference between both scenarios and you know it.

Our government advised we left with PMs from both countries getting involved.

ECB had no government intervention and by all accounts they are being told they can proceed with the tour.
 
World of difference between both scenarios and you know it.

Our government advised we left with PMs from both countries getting involved.

ECB had no government intervention and by all accounts they are being told they can proceed with the tour.

The info came from British itself and NZ along with Australia are from Western Block.

Also if they (NZ) knew about the threat why they went to Pakistan in the first place and cancelled tour 30 min before the toss? Doesn't make sense. It was last minute stunt by NZ Government and players play along with the script given to them to defame Pakistan so Pakistan will be labeled as unsafe for cricket.
 
The info came from British itself and NZ along with Australia are from Western Block.

Also if they (NZ) knew about the threat why they went to Pakistan in the first place and cancelled tour 30 min before the toss? Doesn't make sense. It was last minute stunt by NZ Government and players play along with the script given to them to defame Pakistan so Pakistan will be labeled as unsafe for cricket.
There were multiple threats, the ones which were before the tour were investigated deemed not to be credible.

Stop acting ignorant and trying to put all the blame on NZ for using common sense and going home. This intel was directly from 5 eyes.
 
There were multiple threats, the ones which were before the tour were investigated deemed not to be credible.

Stop acting ignorant and trying to put all the blame on NZ for using common sense and going home. This intel was directly from 5 eyes.

Are you really that gullible or just pretending to defend your government? 2 of the 5 eyes members are UK and NZ. Does it give you any clue?
I don't care what you think because there will be always some people defend the authority whether they are right or wrong. You are treating their words as gospel truth.
 
Are you really that gullible or just pretending to defend your government? 2 of the 5 eyes members are UK and NZ. Does it give you any clue?
I don't care what you think because there will be always some people defend the authority whether they are right or wrong. You are treating their words as gospel truth.
I'm trusting 5 eyes intel over Pakistani intel.
 
Where is the credible Intel? Stop bleating nonsense like a sheep and show the threat. The level of security on this tour is unparalleled across sporting fixtures globally. What an absolute kop out by the NZ government.
 
I'm trusting 5 eyes intel over Pakistani intel.

Ironic that the UK, a prominent member of the Intel group, cited no security concerns for their tour. You keep believing everything fed to you. My view is that they received some Intel- didn't verify nor investigate and unilaterally pulled out without even bothering to consult with their hosts who had put up state visit level security. If the threat is so severe why are foreign governments visiting Pakistan? It's a joke of an explanation.
 
Ironic that the UK, a prominent member of the Intel group, cited no security concerns for their tour. You keep believing everything fed to you. My view is that they received some Intel- didn't verify nor investigate and unilaterally pulled out without even bothering to consult with their hosts who had put up state visit level security. If the threat is so severe why are foreign governments visiting Pakistan? It's a joke of an explanation.
The intel was credible and specific to NZ.
 
The only way to prove credibility is to share the Intel, that hasn't happened. Absolute baloney and Pakistan are totally right in their response.
 
The only way to prove credibility is to share the Intel, that hasn't happened. Absolute baloney and Pakistan are totally right in their response.
5 eyes probably don't want to share information and compromise their operations and sources.

Probably best it doesn't come out, if it is credible and the details of the plot are emerged it could be damaging to Pakistan cricket and put other players and countries off touring.
 
Learn from how the 5 eyes work

-create a hoax threat

-declare the hoax threat not credible enough and continue with ‘plans’

-announce that you have now received a ‘genuine’ and credible threat

-unilaterally decide to leave without sharing information
 
5 eyes probably don't want to share information and compromise their operations and sources.

Probably best it doesn't come out, if it is credible and the details of the plot are emerged it could be damaging to Pakistan cricket and put other players and countries off touring.

Excuse me for having very little faith in Western intelligence agencies after hundreds of episodes of false claims, lapses and agendas
 
Wondering what IQ is required to understand that Pakistan will not play any home series away from home . Pakistan cricket cricket cannot be taken back 12 years .

What IQ is required to understand that teams are not willing to tour pakistan and it doesn't matter to them whether pakistan cricket is 12 or 20 years back. For them its their safety that matters.
 
Learn from how the 5 eyes work

-create a hoax threat

-declare the hoax threat not credible enough and continue with ‘plans’

-announce that you have now received a ‘genuine’ and credible threat

-unilaterally decide to leave without sharing information
5 eyes intel hasn't even been disclosed.

The threats before the series were already found to be hoaxes.

For someone who has been posting on this matter for the last 3 days, you really are ignorant of the facts that have been reported from both sides.
 
What IQ is required to understand that teams are not willing to tour pakistan and it doesn't matter to them whether pakistan cricket is 12 or 20 years back. For them its their safety that matters.
Ask most non Pakistanis here if they'd go Pakistan and PPers will start to understand why international teams who are a much larger profile are cautious.

The image of Pakistan that exists to the rest of the world is not great, and most people wont go there unless there are incentives to go.
 
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What IQ is required to understand that teams are not willing to tour pakistan and it doesn't matter to them whether pakistan cricket is 12 or 20 years back. For them its their safety that matters.
No cricket board nor ICC can force Pakistan or any other nation to host their matches at a neutral venue. Will be interesting to see what the response is from the cricketing community regarding this delicate issue.
 
No cricket board nor ICC can force Pakistan or any other nation to host their matches at a neutral venue. Will be interesting to see what the response is from the cricketing community regarding this delicate issue.

Its pakistan that needs other boards to play them. Other boards can play all other teams except pakistan.
 
Pakistani's threw NZ under the bus, most neutrals are glad NZ pulled out when there were credible and direct intel regarding attacks on the team.

According to who? There was no credible threat Wheres the proof?
 
Ask most non Pakistanis here if they'd go Pakistan and PPers will start to understand why international teams who are a much larger profile are cautious.

The image of Pakistan that exists to the rest of the world is not great, and most people wont go there unless there are incentives to go.

The image is perfectly fine in most countries Otherwise you wouldnt get thousands of tourists delgates and diplomats in the country every year
 
The image is perfectly fine in most countries Otherwise you wouldnt get thousands of tourists delgates and diplomats in the country every year

Check out the advisories for Pakistan on NZ, Australia and USAs sites.

UK while not as harsh states terrorist's are very likely to carry out attacks.
 
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Ask most non Pakistanis here if they'd go Pakistan and PPers will start to understand why international teams who are a much larger profile are cautious.

The image of Pakistan that exists to the rest of the world is not great, and most people wont go there unless there are incentives to go.

A normal person doesn't get 4000 security personnel guarding a hotel....
 
A normal person doesn't get 4000 security personnel guarding a hotel....
That could be reassuring, but that's not normal. What's more reassuring is there being no need for security and being able to walk around in public without the fear of being attacked.

Kohli spoke about freely walking around with his wife in NZ and not being recognized.
 
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Check out the advisories for Pakistan on NZ, Australia and USAs sites.

UK while not as harsh states terrorist's are very likely to carry out attacks.

Yet the current terrorist threat level in the UK is at SUBSTANTIAL - Threat levels

There are 5 levels of threat:

low - an attack is highly unlikely
moderate - an attack is possible but not likely
substantial - an attack is likely
severe - an attack is highly likely
critical - an attack is highly likely in the near future
 
That could be reassuring, but that's not normal. What's more reassuring is there being no need for security and being able to walk around in public without the fear of being attacked.

Kohli spoke about freely walking around with his wife in NZ and not being recognized.

Not normal? But it’s normal when western countries deploy 13,000 troops for the olympics? Why do those countries need to deploy military troops? Are the athletes in danger? Aren’t they free to roam in public without being attacked?
 
Anything against Pakistan most of the Indiana will take those news as gospel truth. No point to argue with them.
 
The intel was credible and specific to NZ.

How hard is it to understand that UK is part of 5 eyes and would have had the same Intel, and the fact that their government was still ok with touring says it all?
 
How hard is it to understand that UK is part of 5 eyes and would have had the same Intel, and the fact that their government was still ok with touring says it all?

NZ have a different parameter when tolerating 3rd world countries in comparison to UK
 
How hard is it to understand that UK is part of 5 eyes and would have had the same Intel, and the fact that their government was still ok with touring says it all?


They would have. But their tour is weeks away.
 
I guess NZC and NZ government might as well be a little annoyed at Eng govt and ESI Risk for declaring Pakistan to be safe for touring. This has completely shattered their case/reasons.
 
That could be reassuring, but that's not normal. What's more reassuring is there being no need for security and being able to walk around in public without the fear of being attacked.

Kohli spoke about freely walking around with his wife in NZ and not being recognized.

Precautions are taken. Other boards have toured with the same security arrangements and found no problems.

Don't compare a first-world country's freedoms to that of a third-world country.
 
Negligence to share private 5 eyes intel lmao.

What world are you living in? :raja

It was negligence.

Had this happened to NZC when BD or PAK pulled out, we'd have seen a different side of the story.

Not surprising that you couldn't find anything else to nit-pick except for vocabulary...
 
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