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This isn't NZ's intel, it's 5 eyes intel and needs approval form other alliance members to share. Given USA's relationship with Pakistan, it's likely from their end and they do not want to share their intel with Pakistan. End of.
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Its similar advisory on india Terrosrists are likely to carry out attacks
Heck england has had more than its fair share N Dont get me started on the wackos in nz Youve forgot the mosque massacre in christchurch? Short memories
Do you know how advisories work for these countries? They are incredibly conservative and want to reduce all possible liabilities. Look for advisories on some other countries, you might be surprised.
FWIW, US, UK, Australia, Canada have all improved their advisory levels for Pakistan in the recent past.
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NZ has had one fatal terrorist attack in 40 years.
Recent past is more of an indicator than decades old info.
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Okay, NZ has had one fatal attack in the last 2,5,10 years.
If teams think NZ is unsafe, they don't have to tour.
Yes, of course. There's an advantage to being part of the western bloc, as to a large extent they drive the global narrative, accurate or inaccurate.
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InshaAllah Pakistan will fulfil your wishes and not tour.
Thank you. May I please what you mean by the second paragraph? The way I would think is:
- if credible then better to come out and expose that PAK did have an intel failure instead of not doing so just to protect its reputation just for the sake of having future tours
- god forbid if during one of the future tours someone gets attacked / hurt, it may make NZ govt regret this decision. After all, saving human lives is more important than maintaining reputations for the purposes of cricket tours
Do you think it is justifiable to keep the threat a secret to preserve reputations at the risk of compromising lives?
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According to The Times, government support for the Ashes tour has been tempered by frustration at the ECB's withdrawal from their two-match tour of Pakistan, which was due to take place in Rawalpindi on October 13 and 14. The paper reports that the Prime Minister and senior officials within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office believe that the decision, which was made on player welfare grounds rather than issues of security, has damaged relations between the UK and the Pakistan government.
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Because Imran Khan is Chief patron of PCB.
It will damage relations of course. Let's see what ECB respond with now that their High Commission, ex-players, and now their Prime Minister and government have sided with the tour progressing.
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Yes, Boris Johnson has not been happy with this decision for obvious reasons. The PCB better demand compensation from the ECB or lock in guarantee money of gigantic proportions that they will come to Pakistan for 3 test matches, 5 ODI's and 5 T-20's in 2022.
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Then your board should be ready to compensate us for their own decision.
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Withdrawal due to security issues is a valid excuse.
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Wow. This is quite interesting.
Never expected Pakistan's anger to reach that far up the government hierarchy.
And we had bootlickers suggesting to continue with the bootlicking approach.
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If security claims can be verified.
Anyways, their board has already talked about compensation.
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One one reason why:
Imran Khan is the Chief in Patron of PCB.
Boris Johnson, and the English government, cannot afford to create issues with Pakistan after we helped in their evacuation of citizens.
Furthermore, there is no basis for ECB's decision, which is why their government has distanced themselves from the issue.
If their government sees this to be a large threat on their relations with Pakistan, then I would not be surprised if ECB reconsider their decision to tour.
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Islamabad: Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi will leave for the United Kingdom on Saturday to hold talks with British officials on different issues which also include the cancellation of England’s tour to Pakistan, ARY News reported citing sources.
According to details, Shah Mehmood Qureshi will meet his British counter counterpart and senior British government officials.
It was understood that FM Qureshi will also raise ECB’s decision of canceling men and women teams’ tour to Pakistan with UK officials.
Earlier The Times reported that UK’s Prime Minister Boris Johnson and senior officials within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office were also not happy with ECB’s decision.
They believe that the decision, which was made on player welfare grounds rather than issues of security by the ECB, has damaged relations between the UK and the Pakistan government.
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According to details, Shah Mehmood Qureshi will meet his British counter counterpart and senior British government officials.
It was understood that FM Qureshi will also raise ECB’s decision of canceling men and women teams’ tour to Pakistan with UK officials.
Earlier The Times reported that UK’s Prime Minister Boris Johnson and senior officials within the Foreign and Commonwealth Office were also not happy with ECB’s decision.
They believe that the decision, which was made on player welfare grounds rather than issues of security by the ECB, has damaged relations between the UK and the Pakistan government.
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On one hand we have theories that NZ and Eng backing out was a political move planned by US and backed by UK, and then there's this news saying UK govt is not happy with ECB for pulling out of the Pakistan tour and spoiling relations with Pakistan Govt.
So.. does this mean, the pull out wasn't politically motivated? Or is this some high level drama..?
IMO those are lower in the list of probabilities. What I think happened with NZ is they got some Intel about an attack, however the Intel was likely a hoax or low probability. There's a good chance if there was something to it, it would have been revealed already. Keep in mind the 5 eyes is famous for bombing weddings and cars based on bad Intel. Most likely this will be revealed at a later date when things are quiet and people have forgotten about this episode.
England players, at least the senior ones, probably got spooked by the sudden withdrawal of the NZ and that was that.
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I think those are certainly valid reasons. But another major reason is that UK is home to a massive Pakistani diaspora which serves as an important constituency for British politicians. And something like this will not sit well with that constituency.
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Not just that, I have read several posts here urging Pakistani cricketers to temper their statements and social media activity. As if it is wrong for them to express their anger at something almost every Pakistani is expressing their anger at.
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Verified? NZ govt is a sovereign government and doesnt need pakistan's permission to issue any order to Kiwis.
Well i hear they are ready to pay whatever expenses were incurred while the team was in pakistan.
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New Zealand should be held accountable for potentially endangering the lives of others by withholding information.
Anyways, I think the initial emotional outburst is over and people have focused their attention towards ECB, who are being put into a meat grinder by their own government and players too apparently.
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As we speak right now, I think there are reports going around that England's players did not refuse to tour Pakistan.
Now the British High Commission, the British Government, and now their own players have all thrown ECB under the bus.
Will be interesting if they approach the decision with a different mindset, and perhaps, they might change their decision.
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NZ is not responsible for the safety of pakistanis. Held accountable? This is classified information and NZ is not under any obligation to share it.
ECB is a different issue altogether.
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PCB went out of their way for ECB too, during tough covid times they showed up and they made money from us.
Its a very disgusting move by them, shameless actually. No honour amongst thieves as they say.
Its a very disgusting move by them, shameless actually. No honour amongst thieves as they say.
If they change their decision they will look like clowns, for doing a U-turn. Best case is they visit Pakistan after WT20, assuming Ashes runs into issues (which is looking very possible ATM).
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Why would Ashes run into issues? Ashes is a huge for English and Aussies, don’t think that would run into issues.
As per latest news they are having issues with quarantine rules. It might get resolved but let's see.
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Everyone is responsible for human life regardless of race, Creed, religion, nationality
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This doesn't hold any water in a court of law. No sovereign government is obligated to share its classified intelligence.
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I would like to see how the Americans would feel about it if another country had advance intell on the 9/11 attacks but withheld the info on account of that is classified information
Joshila Bhai is quite black and white with no room for nuance on topics like these where being nuanced doesn't help him.
Any reasonable person would question why the intelligence can't be shared when it comes to protecting a sports team. It's not like the OBL or something remotely similar. At the very least ICC (if it were an effective organization) should ask the reason why the intelligence can't be shared.
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Had there been an attack and lives lost, which could have been prevented if this information was shared, New Zealand would have been blasted by media around the world.
They are very lucky.
It's the beginning of governments taking hold of cricket as a means of creating political tensions.
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In all fairness Pakistan should send their B team as a mark of protest. It would give fringe players some international exposure , will hit the revenue of hosts and at the same time no one be able to question.
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Well that country was within its legal rights to withhold that info.
We don't know, if someone actually did.
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There are many such attacks where some country has advance intel, but they may not share it with a "non ally".
NZ govt would have been praised for pulling out their team and their stand would have been vindicated.
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I have my doubts over UK being responsible because if Boris Johnson is displeased with ECB's decision, he can't be supporting NZC's decision either.
It can't be Australia because they are irrelevant, so it leaves only US.
Political games.
Just fyi, America actually did have advanced intel on 26/11 in India. AFAIK, it was withheld and not shared (or at the last minute).
Huh? It was shared months before.
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ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister (FM) Shah Mahmood Qureshi, who is in the United Kingdom on a three-day official visit, said that he will discuss the ECB’s decision to cancel tours of its men’s and women’s cricket teams to Pakistan with the UK counterpart tomorrow (Tuesday), ARY News reported.
Speaking exclusively with ARY News, the foreign minister said that he will meet British counterpart Dominic Raab on Tuesday to discuss England’s tour cancellation, Afghanistan issue and other matters.
“I will meet with the UK counterpart tomorrow and convey him reservations of Pakistan over the cancellation of England’s tour to Pakistan,” he said while talking with ARY News.
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Speaking exclusively with ARY News, the foreign minister said that he will meet British counterpart Dominic Raab on Tuesday to discuss England’s tour cancellation, Afghanistan issue and other matters.
“I will meet with the UK counterpart tomorrow and convey him reservations of Pakistan over the cancellation of England’s tour to Pakistan,” he said while talking with ARY News.
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in a meeting with British counterpart Elizabeth Truss has conveyed Islamabad’s disappointment over the English Cricket Board’s decision to cancel a Pakistan tour scheduled for the first half of October.
The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) earlier this month canceled both its men’s and women’s cricket tours to Pakistan. The decision came just days after New Zealand scrapped its tour to Pakistan moments before the start of the first one-day international in Rawalpindi, citing a specific threat to its cricket team. New Zealand did not share the details of the threat with Pakistan.
“This had not only caused financial loss to Pakistan Cricket Board but also deeply disappointed millions of cricket fans,” Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement, quoting Qureshi as telling Truss.
Shunned by all after the deadly 2009 attack on the Sri Lanka team bus in Lahore, Pakistan has been trying to woo back top international teams.
England is scheduled to tour Pakistan for test and limited-overs matches late in 2022 and the British High Commissioner in Islamabad has said he “will redouble my efforts in advance of England’s Autumn 2022 tour.”
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1937551/pakistan
The England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) earlier this month canceled both its men’s and women’s cricket tours to Pakistan. The decision came just days after New Zealand scrapped its tour to Pakistan moments before the start of the first one-day international in Rawalpindi, citing a specific threat to its cricket team. New Zealand did not share the details of the threat with Pakistan.
“This had not only caused financial loss to Pakistan Cricket Board but also deeply disappointed millions of cricket fans,” Pakistan’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement, quoting Qureshi as telling Truss.
Shunned by all after the deadly 2009 attack on the Sri Lanka team bus in Lahore, Pakistan has been trying to woo back top international teams.
England is scheduled to tour Pakistan for test and limited-overs matches late in 2022 and the British High Commissioner in Islamabad has said he “will redouble my efforts in advance of England’s Autumn 2022 tour.”
https://www.arabnews.pk/node/1937551/pakistan
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Well done for expressing your disappointment Qureshi sab...
Now what?
Now what?
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KARACHI: England cricket team will come to Karachi next year, British High Commissioner to Pakistan, Christian Turner said in a statement on Thursday.
While addressing to World Maritime Day Seminar here on Thursday, Turner expressed hopes for the development of the metropolitan city in the near future.
“We are looking forward to seeing the development of Karachi in near future. We want to bring back cricket to Pakistan. England cricket team will be in Karachi next year on an available window,” he said.
It must be noted here that England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) withdrew both their men and women teams from the Pakistan tour citing security concerns causing mental pressure for their players.
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While addressing to World Maritime Day Seminar here on Thursday, Turner expressed hopes for the development of the metropolitan city in the near future.
“We are looking forward to seeing the development of Karachi in near future. We want to bring back cricket to Pakistan. England cricket team will be in Karachi next year on an available window,” he said.
It must be noted here that England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) withdrew both their men and women teams from the Pakistan tour citing security concerns causing mental pressure for their players.
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Tom Harrison flies to Pakistan in a bid to repair relations between ECB and PCB
Tom Harrison, the ECB chief executive, will meet with Pakistan's prime minister, Imran Khan, as well as the PCB chief executive Ramiz Raja, in a bid to repair relations with the country in the wake of last month's cancelled T20I tour.
Officials at the PCB were incensed when England pulled out of the two-match tour at short notice a few weeks ago.
Now Harrison has flown in to assure Ramiz, the new chairman of the PCB, that England remain committed to their Test tour of the country at the end of 2022. England have not toured Pakistan since late 2005.
He is also set to meet with prime minister Khan, Pakistan's greatest allrounder and World Cup-winning captain prior to his move into politics, who also serves as patron-in-chief of the PCB.
Speaking in the wake of the cancelled T20I tour - which followed hot on the heels of New Zealand's abandonment of their own tour on the morning of their opening ODI in Rawalpindi - Ramiz hit out at what he called cricket's "western bloc", and said that the PCB would be making contingency plans to protect their home itinerary in the event of another England pull-out next year.
"I am severely disappointed in England's withdrawal but it was expected because this western bloc gets united unfortunately and tries to back each other," Ramiz said. "This is a lesson for us because we go out of our way to accommodate and pamper these sides when they visit. From now on we will only go as far as is in our interest."
Harrison's trip is only expected to last a couple of days. He is due in the UAE later in the week as the ICC hold their first in-person chief executives' meeting since the start of the pandemic.
The news comes on the same day that Cricket Australia announced its plans for a three-Test, three-ODI and one-off T20I tour in March 2022. If it goes ahead as planned, it will be their first tour of the country since 1998.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-repair-relations-between-ecb-and-pcb-1288288
Tom Harrison, the ECB chief executive, will meet with Pakistan's prime minister, Imran Khan, as well as the PCB chief executive Ramiz Raja, in a bid to repair relations with the country in the wake of last month's cancelled T20I tour.
Officials at the PCB were incensed when England pulled out of the two-match tour at short notice a few weeks ago.
Now Harrison has flown in to assure Ramiz, the new chairman of the PCB, that England remain committed to their Test tour of the country at the end of 2022. England have not toured Pakistan since late 2005.
He is also set to meet with prime minister Khan, Pakistan's greatest allrounder and World Cup-winning captain prior to his move into politics, who also serves as patron-in-chief of the PCB.
Speaking in the wake of the cancelled T20I tour - which followed hot on the heels of New Zealand's abandonment of their own tour on the morning of their opening ODI in Rawalpindi - Ramiz hit out at what he called cricket's "western bloc", and said that the PCB would be making contingency plans to protect their home itinerary in the event of another England pull-out next year.
"I am severely disappointed in England's withdrawal but it was expected because this western bloc gets united unfortunately and tries to back each other," Ramiz said. "This is a lesson for us because we go out of our way to accommodate and pamper these sides when they visit. From now on we will only go as far as is in our interest."
Harrison's trip is only expected to last a couple of days. He is due in the UAE later in the week as the ICC hold their first in-person chief executives' meeting since the start of the pandemic.
The news comes on the same day that Cricket Australia announced its plans for a three-Test, three-ODI and one-off T20I tour in March 2022. If it goes ahead as planned, it will be their first tour of the country since 1998.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...-repair-relations-between-ecb-and-pcb-1288288
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He’s probably on a stop off before he flies to India to sit on BCCI’s lap
ECB in damage control mode post Pak tour pull-out
Looks like ECB is working towards mending the relations with PCB. Tom Harrison, the ECB chief executive, will meet with Pakistan's prime minister, Imran Khan, as well as the PCB chief executive Ramiz Raja in the coming week.
Also, this news on the heels of Australia announcing a full tour in the coming year - yes, I know that nothing is confirmed till the first ball is played but we cannot deny the importance of this announcement.
So, can we please get a show of hands from those that said that Ramiz Raja should play soft and diplomatic with these boards and not "destroy" our "relationships"? Looks like he did just fine and once again proved the value in standing up for one's self!
Looks like ECB is working towards mending the relations with PCB. Tom Harrison, the ECB chief executive, will meet with Pakistan's prime minister, Imran Khan, as well as the PCB chief executive Ramiz Raja in the coming week.
Also, this news on the heels of Australia announcing a full tour in the coming year - yes, I know that nothing is confirmed till the first ball is played but we cannot deny the importance of this announcement.
So, can we please get a show of hands from those that said that Ramiz Raja should play soft and diplomatic with these boards and not "destroy" our "relationships"? Looks like he did just fine and once again proved the value in standing up for one's self!
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with the population size of Pakistan, perhaps it's the second or third largest market after India. And this market needs to be tapped.
It's all about money.
If we need to play with other countries to generate revenue, then they equally need us to play with them.
In the past, I think ECB has been somewhat supportive of PCB - and perhaps now they are doing it again to support PCB to become the business rival of Indian market. Due to England's market size, they can't compete with the Indian market - and Pakistan could be their best business partner.
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ECB Deputy Chairman Martin Darlow and Chief Executive Tom Harrison are in Lahore to meet PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja and Chief Operating Officer Salman Naseer (Pictures courtesy of the PCB)
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Will be interesting to see what happens from this.
If I were Ramiz/Imran, I'd put them on the pump and question what their excuse was to avoid touring, why they did not even confront their players they claimed were "fatigued".
I'd like to see the look on their faces then.
Pathetic lot, opportunists.
If I were Ramiz/Imran, I'd put them on the pump and question what their excuse was to avoid touring, why they did not even confront their players they claimed were "fatigued".
I'd like to see the look on their faces then.
Pathetic lot, opportunists.
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ECB is severely under the pump due to YCC racism scandal which mainly targets cricketers from a Pakistani background. This is all face saving activity by them
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Naw, I wouldn't take that route at all. No point in living in the miseries of the past and digging up the graves.
They can give any reply, may be the one we want to hear, but then what? End of the game.
We have the upper hand in this meeting and we should play our cards very wisely.
I would rather look into discussing the future business deals and explore the ideas about how to form a partnership between ECB and PCB that can help PSL become a better rival of IPL.
Money is what it's all about. This is not a sports anymore. It's a business. And that's it!
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More English players in the PSL, more PSL advertisement in UK.
Heck, even a couple of PSL games should be played in UK. There is a large chunk of Pakistan cricket fans. And watching Pak and English players, play along or against each other in a PSL game in UK, could fetch up lucrative revenues in British pounds. Win win situation for PCB.
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Results of the meeting are out, just wanted to play 2 more T20Is.
I told you, they are not going to own up to their mistakes.
Shame that Ramiz didn't question them, should have at least made them think.
Saying you'll play 2 T20Is is one thing, coming and playing those games is another.
PSL and ECB is never going to happen. They have been trying to get some IPL games in UK for many years now, and have failed miserably. Even their best set of players made it clear how they were willing to prioritize IPL over national duty, so this competition will never happen.
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I am utterly disappointed by Ramiz if he settled for a mere two additional T20 games. What the heck?
We had the upper hand in this meeting, and we showed our cards to win a few pennies.
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Rambo looking lean and mean
In a highly professional meeting, he looks like a chai wala in that casual dress. And no wonder he displayed the mental intellect of a chai wala in the meeting by settling for two additional T20 games.
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You wouldn't put money on either Australia or England fulfilling these fixtures. All will depend on the political climate at the time. If Pakistan's Covid tour wasn't enough to persuade England of their obligations, I don't hold much hope for next year.
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Rambo is the boss in his den. If he was visiting England, I would expect him to suit up.
But here he's just showing who's the boss in his den to Harrison & co
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Rambo is the boss in his den. If he was visiting England, I would expect him to suit up.
But here he's just showing who's the boss in his den to Harrison & co
He surely doesn't look like one.
Perhaps he could've then wore Pakistan national dress in a decent white shalwar Qameez and a black waistcoat with pathani chappal.
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No. This is making more of a statement. This says to the Angrez "I don't care anymore for you guys like my predecessors in the past so much so that I can't be bothered to suit up and I'm attending the meeting in my casuals".
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Yep, and right now what he wears reminds of an old saying, "Dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghaat ka".
He is still wearing their dress.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Martin Darlow ECB Deputy Chair "It's great to be back in Pakistan. 17 years was far too long. We should have come back last year but we didn't, but we are here now, let's move on. It's great to be here" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvENG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1573351399055835137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2022</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Martin Darlow ECB Deputy Chair "It's great to be back in Pakistan. 17 years was far too long. We should have come back last year but we didn't, but we are here now, let's move on. It's great to be here" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvENG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvENG</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1573351399055835137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 23, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Should the victims be allowed to decide when we would like to move on Mr. Darlow?
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