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British MPs hope India will reciprocate Pakistan’s ‘progressive approach’ on Kashmir

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British Parliamentarian Debbie Abrahams – who is chair of the All Party Parliamentary Kashmir Group (APPKG) in the British House of Commons – on Wednesday said Pakistan's stance on the Kashmir issue reflected the country's openness and progressive approach to the dispute, expressing hope that India would "reciprocate".

A delegation of the APPKG, which is an independent group of parliamentarians from the United Kingdom, was scheduled to visit both sides of the Line of Control to evaluate the human rights situation in the region.

However, in a surprise move by Indian authorities, the British MP along with her delegation was denied entry into the country two days ago despite having a valid visa.

Speaking in Islamabad alongside Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi and British MP Imran Hussain, Abrahams welcomed the foreign minister’s stance on having a third UN report issued on human rights violations along both sides of the LoC, adding that it showed the openness and progressive approach taken by Pakistan on this issue. "I hope India will reciprocate as well."

"We [the group] had a very full and frank discussion with the foreign minister. I am very grateful to him and to the Pakistani government for facilitating this independent trip of the group from the UK parliament.

"We sought to visit Pakistan and Azad Kashmir so that we could understand in more detail about what was happening and to speak with people there.

"We also sought to visit India and Jammu and Kashmir, but unfortunately that hasn’t happened. Hopefully it will happen in the future," she said.

Abrahams reiterated that Qureshi was very forthcoming about what was happening [in the region] even when "pressed for answers to specific questions that were raised in the last UN human rights report".

"When we were planning this trip, we wanted to make sure that the delegation visited both India and Jammu & Kashmir and had access in the same way we have been facilitated by the Pakistani government.

"But I have had no responses to my requests for a delegation to go to Jammu & Kashmir [on India's side]. I hope India will take the opportunity to reflect on Pakistan’s approach to addressing the issues that it has faced in different parts of the country and how they are responding to the report from the UN [...] and take the opportunity to become more open […] We are an independent group, we are not anti-India or pro-Pakistan, we are pro-human rights."

When asked what practical measures the group will undertake to end repression in the valley, she replied:

"Please don’t be under any illusion we are not doing that. Last week, I met with the British foreign minister […] and I know my conservative colleagues who are part of this delegation will also be reporting back to their parties.

"What is going on in Jammu & Kashmir has not gone unnoticed. We are not here for a sightseeing trip, to look at what is happening and to do nothing. We are constantly raising this [...] we hope in addition to what we are doing through our government, the international community as a whole will realise that human rights is a priority and that priorities are not just about trade."

Meanwhile, the foreign minister, replying to a question from a reporter, said the Kashmir issue was not an "internal matter" as had been claimed by the Indian government.

"It was answered very well by UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres [during his visit to Pakistan] when he categorically said that the Security Council resolutions are as relevant now as they used to be before," Qureshi said in response to a reporter's question.

"It is an internationally recognised dispute and the UN chief endorses that. He also said that he is concerned about human rights violations […]."

Commenting on a recent statement made by India’s External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, Qureshi said that the statement was his opinion and everyone had a right to one.

At the Munich Security Conference, the minister, in reply to US Senator Lindsey Graham saying the Kashmir issue should be resolved by two democracies, Jaishankar had said that the Kashmir issue will be settled by “one democracy and you know which one”.

“You said that one democracy will take an action. You have already taken that decision on August 5, 2019 and you can see the reaction to that decision,” Qureshi said in response to Jaishankar's comments from a few days ago.

"Today many organisations within India, as well as internal human rights groups are calling the Public Safety Act (PSA) draconian," the foreign minister said.

"Today, a huge segment of population within India […] are saying the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) was a folly and has defaced the image of a secular, democratic India," he added.

Adding to the foreign minister's comments, APPKG Vice Chair MP Hussain said: "Human rights can never be bilateral issues, they are international issues for the international community and anybody reverting back from that point needs to go back and check the rule book.

"The Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) and the PSA are both draconian pieces of legislation that are recognised, again in international laws, as illegal. We [the british government] cannot shy away from the issue, other governments have shied away from the issue [...] but we must be bolder," he added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1535441/b...ate-pakistans-progressive-approach-on-kashmir
 
Debbie Abrahams who?

Oh, the former shadow minister who got fired from her position by her party which itself was fired by the voters. Okay then...
 
Lets not get carried away guys as it's an 'internal matter'.
 
If you aren’t pro Pakistan you wouldn’t be calling it Azad Kashmir.. lol
Good Job Pakistan for being such a nice and accountable and open government.
Now if we could have same accountability about these terrorists camps and other terrorists factories.

Hafeez Saeed is useless now so he has been jailed now.. well FaTf hearing is soon.
But Masoor Azhar got away because he is useful puppet still, this is the same guy Mr Qureshi the foregin minster said was sick and kept in some government facilitiy ��
 
If you aren’t pro Pakistan you wouldn’t be calling it Azad Kashmir.. lol
Good Job Pakistan for being such a nice and accountable and open government.
Now if we could have same accountability about these terrorists camps and other terrorists factories.

Hafeez Saeed is useless now so he has been jailed now.. well FaTf hearing is soon.
But Masoor Azhar got away because he is useful puppet still, this is the same guy Mr Qureshi the foregin minster said was sick and kept in some government facilitiy ��

You mean the Indian terrorists?

Oh boy what a trash post.
Calling it Azad Kashmir means they are not bias???

Is this what India are producing these days?
 
Debbie Abrahams who?

Oh, the former shadow minister who got fired from her position by her party which itself was fired by the voters. Okay then...

The problem with BJP and Hindutva led India is this that sooner or later they will be criticised by the Secularist world, just as they criticise the Islamic system led governments on blasphemy and minorities issues.

It may be that the Secularists are at all time low at moment in the world, but the right wing of Europe also has no love for the Hindutva led India.

People in Europe have indeed started hating Hindutva led India, while same India was more darling to them when it was led by the secular government.
 
The problem with BJP and Hindutva led India is this that sooner or later they will be criticised by the Secularist world, just as they criticise the Islamic system led governments on blasphemy and minorities issues.

It may be that the Secularists are at all time low at moment in the world, but the right wing of Europe also has no love for the Hindutva led India.

People in Europe have indeed started hating Hindutva led India, while same India was more darling to them when it was led by the secular government.

Which secular government?
 
You mean the Indian terrorists?

Oh boy what a trash post.
Calling it Azad Kashmir means they are not bias???

Is this what India are producing these days?

Can you list the Indian terrorists sanctioned by UN?
 
Which secular government?

It seems you are not interested in serious discussion and that is why you are putting words in my mouth.

I was clear that these are the European Secular People who have started hating the Hindutva led India. No where I talked about the secular governments.
 
Can you list the Indian terrorists sanctioned by UN?

Once US considered Moodi as terrorist and did refused him the Visa.

Hindutva led India may get into same type of troubles sooner or later. Even if no official problems, still the secular people all over the world will consider Hindutva as a form of terrorism and hatred.
 
Same UN which says Kashmir is not part of
India and is disputed territory?

It’s hilarious though to see the flip flops :))

Ive made this simple point dozens of times but the same lame argument is still deployed.

On OP.

It's a good example of British Pakistanis becoming MPs and raising the voice for Kashmir, this will never stop and only get stronger in the years ahead.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very pleased to meet with <a href="https://twitter.com/PakPMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PakPMO</a> this pm & to be given assurances that we can meet with whoever we wish while in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pakistan</a> There was openness & transparency to some tough questioning of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForeignMinisterQureshi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ForeignMinisterQureshi</a> as well on HR issues inc terrorism in <a href="https://t.co/za17u4QBot">https://t.co/za17u4QBot</a> <a href="https://t.co/EkHGJXr3Vz">https://t.co/EkHGJXr3Vz</a></p>— Debbie Abrahams (@Debbie_abrahams) <a href="https://twitter.com/Debbie_abrahams/status/1230173973616504833?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 19, 2020</a></blockquote>
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You mean the Indian terrorists?

Oh boy what a trash post.
Calling it Azad Kashmir means they are not bias???

Is this what India are producing these days?

Indian terrorists lol unless you mean a few misguided brainwashed youth who joined ISIS a few years back and regretted their decision, I can’t think of any.
 
Shop will close for Modi and BJP if they stop doing the politics of fear mongering.

Narrative of anti-muslim and anti-Pakistan was and is remain the biggest and easily sell able to the people of India.
 
If you aren’t pro Pakistan you wouldn’t be calling it Azad Kashmir.. lol
Good Job Pakistan for being such a nice and accountable and open government.
Now if we could have same accountability about these terrorists camps and other terrorists factories.

Hafeez Saeed is useless now so he has been jailed now.. well FaTf hearing is soon.
But Masoor Azhar got away because he is useful puppet still, this is the same guy Mr Qureshi the foregin minster said was sick and kept in some government facilitiy ��

What an Enlightening post.

How dare the territory be referred to as Azad Kashmir.
 
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It seems you are not interested in serious discussion and that is why you are putting words in my mouth.

I was clear that these are the European Secular People who have started hating the Hindutva led India. No where I talked about the secular governments.

You said

"while same India was more darling to them when it was led by the secular government."


I am asking which secular govt.?
 
All IK has received for his pacifist approach are international brownie points that will amount to zilch.

Politics, as Bismarck once said, is the art of the possible.
 
Once US considered Moodi as terrorist and did refused him the Visa.

Hindutva led India may get into same type of troubles sooner or later. Even if no official problems, still the secular people all over the world will consider Hindutva as a form of terrorism and hatred.

Wrong!!!!

That 2005 decision was based on Mr. Modi's failure to stop a series of deadly riots three years earlier by Hindus against minority Muslims in the Indian state of Gujarat, where he was (and remains) chief minister. The State Department invoked a little-known U.S. law passed in 1998 that makes foreign officials responsible for "severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for visas. Mr. Modi is the only person ever denied a visa to the U.S. under this provision, U.S. officials confirm.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....endra-modi-was-banned-from-the-u-s-1399062010

Secondly Modi was an accused in 2005, in 2012 courts exonerated him. Few months after that, the US ambassador met him and invited him to US. All this before he became PM.

So no US never considered Modi as a terrorist. He had allegations of violation of religious freedom.

India doesn't exist to please others.Afaik No Indian hindu has been caught in terrorist activities outside India. People are more concerned with ISIS AlQaida etc etc.
 
It asks Pakistan to vacate the illegally occupied kashmiri territory. We call it PoK.

Well done.

I've told you this a 100 times. Pakistan will vacate in an instant as soon as India confirms a vote for self determination will be held, as per UN resolutions.

When is India offering this vote or when is India taking back Kashmir from Pakistan?
 
Well done.

I've told you this a 100 times. Pakistan will vacate in an instant as soon as India confirms a vote for self determination will be held, as per UN resolutions.

When is India offering this vote or when is India taking back Kashmir from Pakistan?

UN says PoK has to be vacated. After that any process starts. Vacate pok, hand it over to UN. Then UN can decide the time line.
 
You said

"while same India was more darling to them when it was led by the secular government."


I am asking which secular govt.?


What a question!!!!

There was Congress Government only. So, why did you need to even ask this question?

And note, I didn't say that Europen people loved Congress government, but I said that European people loved Indian Secular State.
 
Wrong!!!!

That 2005 decision was based on Mr. Modi's failure to stop a series of deadly riots three years earlier by Hindus against minority Muslims in the Indian state of Gujarat, where he was (and remains) chief minister. The State Department invoked a little-known U.S. law passed in 1998 that makes foreign officials responsible for "severe violations of religious freedom" ineligible for visas. Mr. Modi is the only person ever denied a visa to the U.S. under this provision, U.S. officials confirm.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www....endra-modi-was-banned-from-the-u-s-1399062010

Secondly Modi was an accused in 2005, in 2012 courts exonerated him. Few months after that, the US ambassador met him and invited him to US. All this before he became PM.

So no US never considered Modi as a terrorist. He had allegations of violation of religious freedom.



You may celebrate for it, but for me and many more European people, your so called ""severe violations of religious freedom" by Modi is equal to "terrorism".

Therefore those Hindus who were involved in killing of Muslims, they were Terrorists. While Modi also ignored his duties to that extent that he was considered the criminal too and thus the only person who was refused Visa for it.


India doesn't exist to please others.Afaik No Indian hindu has been caught in terrorist activities outside India. People are more concerned with ISIS AlQaida etc etc.

Secular population of Europe is not concerned about BJP led Indias existence, but they are concerned with the Human Rights Violation.

They are perhaps more concerned with ISIS and al-Qaida, but they are also concerned with the blasphemy laws in Muslim countries, with the problems of minorities in Pakistan, and as well as the Hindutva led BJP government too.
 
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