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'Bumrah has less threatening performances than Shaheen in all formats' : Aaqib Javed

WengerOut said:
McGrath > Wasim > Ambrose > Tapash Baisya > Khaled Mahmud > Steyn > Rest

This would be my order with Rubel Hossain just missing out
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Bangaldesh has to find a batsman like Bumrah first before finding bowler like Bumrah :) Most runs in one over in a Test match belongs to Bumrah :)
 
Shaheen has a clean action.

Does Bumrah have a clean action? We can't tell until he gets tested.

Until Bumrah gets tested, his records should have an asterisk mark. :inti
 
Bhaijaan said:
He is better than Shaheen after Shaheen suffered from injury but Shaheen is still a more impactful 1st over bowler.

And calm down, he's not the best ever. Not even Top 10. Wasim, Waqar, Shabby were different level.
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Shaheen took another early wicket. Getting belted now but eagle made early impact again.
 
Despite all the accolades Bumrah gets, he is a bit underrated in the Sub-continent among fans and commentators while SENA nations treat him as their most difficult adversary bar none.

He reached to such a level that if you have Bumrah in your team, you can win the World-cups.
His only underwhelming performance in Tests in the recent times was in England in 2025 where he averaged 26 @14 tests. 2 of those tests were played on absolute belters and he was still on recovery mode from his back injury during his BGT series.

His BGT stats were simply out of the world with 32 wickets @13 average. We would have probably drawn if he was not injured in that 2nd innings of 5th test.

He won us 2 T20 WCs 2024, 2026 with him being the MOTT in 2024 and one of key differentiator in 2026 along with Sanju Samson.

His current peers never had such a peak and may be post 2000’s very few like Steyn and Starc may have had infact. But his consistency is next level.

And to compare him with Shaheen is absolutely ridiculous. He was never as good as Bumrah in Tests and his only comparison was in few ODIs and T20s similar to Ajanta Mendis type peak.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Despite all the accolades Bumrah gets, he is a bit underrated in the Sub-continent among fans and commentators while SENA nations treat him as their most difficult adversary bar none.
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Probably true,

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He is the greatest quick bowler ever': Stuart Broad makes big claim​


Steven Finn, who represented England between 2010 and 2016, was full of admiration for Bumrah’s skills, declaring him the greatest bowler of all time. “Everyone else is mortal. There are good bowlers, there are great bowlers, but then there is Jasprit Bumrah, who sits above all of them at the moment. And I include people like (Pat) Cummins, (Mitchell) Starc. I think he’s just on another planet when compared to any other bowler,” Finn said in a conversation with Broad.

Broad, who ranks as the fifth-highest wicket-taker in Test cricket history, echoed Finn’s sentiments. "You could put a really strong argument that he is the greatest quick bowler ever. Malcolm Marshall, Richard Hadley, Curtly Ambrose, Glenn McGrath – all these guys. It’s difficult to make comparisons because we didn’t see Malcolm Marshall in a T20 World Cup semifinal, where the ball is flying to all parts. He is certainly the best I’ve ever seen, that is for sure,” said Broad.
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Butcher: ‘Astonishing’ Bumrah is an outlier in world cricket, and maybe he will be forever​

The skill that he has to bowl the perfect yorker, to change his pace in a way that is so well disguised and so brilliantly executed in terms of the perfect length, the perfect line and whatever else, when the pressure is highest and people are coming at him, or coming at the bowling to go big, is quite remarkable."

"He's an absolutely outlier in world cricket at the moment, and maybe forever. People love doing the comparison thing of great bowlers from different eras but nearly all of those guys didn't have to contend with scoring rates as they are meant to be in T20 cricket, and therefore it's impossible to say whether or not they would have been or could have been as good as he is. He is absolutely outstanding

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Mark Butcher: India Became Stronger When They Stopped Relying On Individual Superstars | T20 World Cup 2026

Mark Butcher has praised India head coach Gautam Gambhir for building a T20 World Cup winning side without reliance on individual super stars.
www.wisden.com www.wisden.com
 
Buffet said:
Probably true,

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He is the greatest quick bowler ever': Stuart Broad makes big claim​


Steven Finn, who represented England between 2010 and 2016, was full of admiration for Bumrah’s skills, declaring him the greatest bowler of all time. “Everyone else is mortal. There are good bowlers, there are great bowlers, but then there is Jasprit Bumrah, who sits above all of them at the moment. And I include people like (Pat) Cummins, (Mitchell) Starc. I think he’s just on another planet when compared to any other bowler,” Finn said in a conversation with Broad.

Broad, who ranks as the fifth-highest wicket-taker in Test cricket history, echoed Finn’s sentiments. "You could put a really strong argument that he is the greatest quick bowler ever. Malcolm Marshall, Richard Hadley, Curtly Ambrose, Glenn McGrath – all these guys. It’s difficult to make comparisons because we didn’t see Malcolm Marshall in a T20 World Cup semifinal, where the ball is flying to all parts. He is certainly the best I’ve ever seen, that is for sure,” said Broad.
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Butcher: ‘Astonishing’ Bumrah is an outlier in world cricket, and maybe he will be forever​

The skill that he has to bowl the perfect yorker, to change his pace in a way that is so well disguised and so brilliantly executed in terms of the perfect length, the perfect line and whatever else, when the pressure is highest and people are coming at him, or coming at the bowling to go big, is quite remarkable."

"He's an absolutely outlier in world cricket at the moment, and maybe forever. People love doing the comparison thing of great bowlers from different eras but nearly all of those guys didn't have to contend with scoring rates as they are meant to be in T20 cricket, and therefore it's impossible to say whether or not they would have been or could have been as good as he is. He is absolutely outstanding

www.wisden.com

Mark Butcher: India Became Stronger When They Stopped Relying On Individual Superstars | T20 World Cup 2026

Mark Butcher has praised India head coach Gautam Gambhir for building a T20 World Cup winning side without reliance on individual super stars.
www.wisden.com www.wisden.com
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I notice you revere Bhumrah a lot. Is it your inferiority complex as a SA fan? Bhumrah is a good, even very good bowler. Nothing more. Where was he during WC final 2023? CT 2017 F? 2016 T20 SF AND 2019 SF? 2021 T20 WC? In England test series Ind won when he wasn't there. He is no Wasim Akram. Stop with this nonsense.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I notice you revere Bhumrah a lot. Is it your inferiority complex as a SA fan? Bhumrah is a good, even very good bowler. Nothing more. Where was he during WC final 2023? CT 2017 F? 2016 T20 SF AND 2019 SF? 2021 T20 WC? In England test series Ind won when he wasn't there. He is no Wasim Akram. Stop with this nonsense.
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Ya Stuart Broad, Mcgrath all have inferiority complex. Someone with a ridiculous handle in a forum like you have the right complex lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Ya Stuart Broad, Mcgrath all have inferiority complex. Someone with a ridiculous handle in a forum like you have the right complex lol
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Firstly my handle name is better than jnaveen or whatever that is. You admitted you were tullugu and that itself is a shame. I don't need to tell you your reputation in the US. Stick to cricket.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Firstly my handle name is better than jnaveen or whatever that is. You admitted you were tullugu and that itself is a shame. I don't need to tell you your reputation in the US. Stick to cricket.
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You have given away lol. Thanks. Yes Bumrah sucks :) But what do you think of Travis Head? He faield badly as a player and captain
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I notice you revere Bhumrah a lot. Is it your inferiority complex as a SA fan? Bhumrah is a good, even very good bowler. Nothing more. Where was he during WC final 2023? CT 2017 F? 2016 T20 SF AND 2019 SF? 2021 T20 WC? In England test series Ind won when he wasn't there. He is no Wasim Akram. Stop with this nonsense.
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Broad, McGrath, Border, Waughan, Butcher on and on calling him best ever candidate translate to you feeling all of them have inferioirty coplex then no one can help you. I do see him clearly ahead of Wasim in all formats but not the best ever. best ever in the test format is Marshall. Best ever in all formats combined is Mcgrath.

Stop this non-sense, lol. Why are you so mad at simply sharing how high he gets rated by ex players. Waqar himself is on record saying that Bumrah is better than 2 Ws at similar stage. You can call him also to stop the non-sense.
 
At this point in his career. Shaheen has far more threatening performances, across all matches and conditions.

He can take a match-winning position for Pakistan and single-handedly turn it into a match-losing one in the space of 6 balls. His performance also threatens the spectators as batsmen are able to launch him into the stands at will, and with shear force.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
At this point in his career. Shaheen has far more threatening performances, across all matches and conditions.

He can take a match-winning position for Pakistan and single-handedly turn it into a match-losing one in the space of 6 balls. His performance also threatens the spectators as batsmen are able to launch him into the stands at will, and with shear force.
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He makes people happy. Almost makde Shanaka happy. Got away.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
I notice you revere Bhumrah a lot. Is it your inferiority complex as a SA fan? Bhumrah is a good, even very good bowler. Nothing more. Where was he during WC final 2023? CT 2017 F? 2016 T20 SF AND 2019 SF? 2021 T20 WC? In England test series Ind won when he wasn't there. He is no Wasim Akram. Stop with this nonsense.
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Are you for real?

Bumrah has some unreal stats in WCT20’s - 40 wickets @13.65 average and 5.67 economy.

These are some other worldly stats. He literally won the 2024 T20 WC by himself.

How many WCs did Wasim Akram win??

Stats wise, Bumrah is better than Wasim in ODI Worldcups too

Bumrah - 38 wickets @ 19.5 avg, 4.2 econ., 27.5 SR

Wasim - 55 wickets @ 23.8 avg, 4.04 econ., 35.4 SR

He has better average and SR than Wasim at marginally lower econ. which is insane in current scenario.

He achieved far more than Wasim in SENA nations and there is no comparison
 
Aaqib is right though, Shaheen is definitely a huge threat to Pakistan team in all formats.
 
Bumrah is pampered like a trophy wife.

If he is so great, why can't he handle more workload? Real ATGs don't get pampered. They have good fitness, lots of wickets, and can handle huge workloads. McGrath barely missed any series during his playing days. He had 381 ODI wickets and 563 Test wickets. Bumrah barely has 200 wickets and he huffs and puffs like a senior citizen.

True ATGs = McGrath, Wasim, Rabada, Pollock, Ambrose etc.
Temu/Fake ATG = Bumrah.

:inti
 
sweep_shot said:
Bumrah is pampered like a trophy wife.

If he is so great, why can't he handle more workload? Real ATGs don't get pampered. They have good fitness, lots of wickets, and can handle huge workloads. McGrath barely missed any series during his playing days. He had 381 ODI wickets and 563 Test wickets. Bumrah barely has 200 wickets and he huffs and puffs like a senior citizen.

True ATGs = McGrath, Wasim, Rabada, Pollock, Ambrose etc.
Temu/Fake ATG = Bumrah.

:inti
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How do you people even post about cricket? Seems like someone who relies only on Cricinfo stats (Or whatever website you use to get stats) with no actual knowledge of the game. Can you please explain how Rabada bowls more than Bumrah or how his workload is higher than the latter? Not your opinion but via facts. I would love to know. Both of them at an average play 6.5 Tests a year and bowl 16.8 overs an innings. Rabada picks 4.6 wickets a Test and Bumrah 4.5. Both of them on an average play 9 ODIs a year. Bumrah plays 8-9 T20Is on an average a year and Rabada 7-8. They both play IPL but Bumrah plays more games a season on an average. Now please tell me how is Rabada have more workload than Bumrah and please justify your statement.
 
giri26 said:
How do you people even post about cricket? Seems like someone who relies only on Cricinfo stats (Or whatever website you use to get stats) with no actual knowledge of the game. Can you please explain how Rabada bowls more than Bumrah or how his workload is higher than the latter? Not your opinion but via facts. I would love to know. Both of them at an average play 6.5 Tests a year and bowl 16.8 overs an innings. Rabada picks 4.6 wickets a Test and Bumrah 4.5. Both of them on an average play 9 ODIs a year. Bumrah plays 8-9 T20Is on an average a year and Rabada 7-8. They both play IPL but Bumrah plays more games a season on an average. Now please tell me how is Rabada have more workload than Bumrah and please justify your statement.
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Rabada bullied Bangladesh in Bangladesh. Since they have been his slaves lol
 
Hitman said:
Bumrah is at least 3 levels ahead of Akram in Tests. An average of 19.79 at an SR of 42.8 vs an average of 23.62 at an SR of 54.6

Anyone with a brain who is not a blind fan can see it with their eyes closed.​
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You lose credibility when you make posts like this. Then again, you never had much to begin with. :inti

Forget about McGrath or Wasim. I can name 15 bowlers who were better Test bowlers than Bumrah.

Bumrah would probably be a water boy in the 90's.
 
sweep_shot said:
You lose credibility when you make posts like this. Then again, you never had much to begin with. :inti

Forget about McGrath or Wasim. I can name 15 bowlers who were better Test bowlers than Bumrah.

Bumrah would probably be a water boy in the 90's.
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I posted facts to back myself up, not cooked up opinions like you did.
 
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Jasprit Bumrah now has the best economy rate in three T20 World Cups among players to have bowled 100-plus balls

No other bowler finished top more than once
 
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Michael Vaughan: "If you put Jasprit Bumrah in England's team, they win it. I reckon they put him on anybody's team. Probably Lionel Messi, Ronaldo, these kinds. He is the best bowler I've ever seen. I started watching cricket probably in 85' or 86', when I really started to study cricket. And he's the best I've seen.”


https://twitter.com/x/status/2031671691705749714
 
sweep_shot said:
Bumrah is pampered like a trophy wife.

If he is so great, why can't he handle more workload? Real ATGs don't get pampered. They have good fitness, lots of wickets, and can handle huge workloads. McGrath barely missed any series during his playing days. He had 381 ODI wickets and 563 Test wickets. Bumrah barely has 200 wickets and he huffs and puffs like a senior citizen.

True ATGs = McGrath, Wasim, Rabada, Pollock, Ambrose etc.
Temu/Fake ATG = Bumrah.

:inti
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The liar is caught lying again

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cricket/comments/1qrvosh/most_overs_bowled_by_fast_bowlers_in_this_decade

Bumrah is among the bowlers with most overs bowled in this decade, just slightly behind Cummins (but played in more matches than Cummins)

Bumrah has bowled more than 200 overs more than Rabada

In the modern era all bowlers are rotated for workload, Cummins and hazlewood didn't bowl in all important Ashes, Rabada missed many important series lately.

But hey lie that only Bumrah is rested.
 
giri26 said:
How do you people even post about cricket? Seems like someone who relies only on Cricinfo stats (Or whatever website you use to get stats) with no actual knowledge of the game. Can you please explain how Rabada bowls more than Bumrah or how his workload is higher than the latter? Not your opinion but via facts. I would love to know. Both of them at an average play 6.5 Tests a year and bowl 16.8 overs an innings. Rabada picks 4.6 wickets a Test and Bumrah 4.5. Both of them on an average play 9 ODIs a year. Bumrah plays 8-9 T20Is on an average a year and Rabada 7-8. They both play IPL but Bumrah plays more games a season on an average. Now please tell me how is Rabada have more workload than Bumrah and please justify your statement.
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I have posted stats above. Bumrah has bowled more than 200 overs more than Rabada this decade in all formats.

Freaking 200+ overs. And this was before the world t20

@sweep_shot has just been caught in another lie.
 
Man, you have to understand something: not every post here deserves a logical reply.

I was here before you, doing exactly what you do now. But you have to understand that a lot of people here just rely on manipulation and coping mechanisms, and many of them are actually trolls.

This guy clearly has low self esteem and just wants a reaction. No matter how much you prove him wrong, he will keep replying because attention is the only thing he wants. He doesn’t have any knowledge. All he does is post score update and point the most obvious thing. Only way he remains relevant is being anti-India and he keeps pushing that agenda.

So it’s better to just ignore him.

And about Rizwan T20 champ; he’s a troll as well. He has around 5 IDs and plays different personalities with each account. I have already told you not to take him seriously but you keep engaging with him.

Seriously man, stop it. You are wasting your time. If you keep doing it even after I have told you this then honestly I will just consider it foolish.
 
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Buffet said:
Probably true,

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He is the greatest quick bowler ever': Stuart Broad makes big claim​


Steven Finn, who represented England between 2010 and 2016, was full of admiration for Bumrah’s skills, declaring him the greatest bowler of all time. “Everyone else is mortal. There are good bowlers, there are great bowlers, but then there is Jasprit Bumrah, who sits above all of them at the moment. And I include people like (Pat) Cummins, (Mitchell) Starc. I think he’s just on another planet when compared to any other bowler,” Finn said in a conversation with Broad.

Broad, who ranks as the fifth-highest wicket-taker in Test cricket history, echoed Finn’s sentiments. "You could put a really strong argument that he is the greatest quick bowler ever. Malcolm Marshall, Richard Hadley, Curtly Ambrose, Glenn McGrath – all these guys. It’s difficult to make comparisons because we didn’t see Malcolm Marshall in a T20 World Cup semifinal, where the ball is flying to all parts. He is certainly the best I’ve ever seen, that is for sure,” said Broad.
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Butcher: ‘Astonishing’ Bumrah is an outlier in world cricket, and maybe he will be forever​

The skill that he has to bowl the perfect yorker, to change his pace in a way that is so well disguised and so brilliantly executed in terms of the perfect length, the perfect line and whatever else, when the pressure is highest and people are coming at him, or coming at the bowling to go big, is quite remarkable."

"He's an absolutely outlier in world cricket at the moment, and maybe forever. People love doing the comparison thing of great bowlers from different eras but nearly all of those guys didn't have to contend with scoring rates as they are meant to be in T20 cricket, and therefore it's impossible to say whether or not they would have been or could have been as good as he is. He is absolutely outstanding

www.wisden.com

Mark Butcher: India Became Stronger When They Stopped Relying On Individual Superstars | T20 World Cup 2026

Mark Butcher has praised India head coach Gautam Gambhir for building a T20 World Cup winning side without reliance on individual super stars.
www.wisden.com www.wisden.com
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SENA nations approach fast bowling more methodologically. While they couldn't figure out his action, they pretty much accept the numbers as facts and don’t live in nostalgia.

May be that is the reason. He is literally the outlier in every aspect these days. Take is Bowling Average, Economy, Strike rate or Clutch performances

Most legends may have 1 or 2 of these filters but it’s absolutely ridiculous to have all of these.

Imagine having Best bowl. Avg. in SENAI with 200+ wickets, clutch performances in BGT series and handing T20WCs to his team. What more can one achieve.

ODI WC should be his next target. I hope he gets the WTC championship soon too. But it depends on his body.

300+ Test wickets now seem very much feasible by next year. Lets see.
 
Bumrah is ten levels above Shaheen and two-three levels above Waqar. The rules of ball tempering are far stricter now then but if Bumrah was given access to those tempered balls then his stats which are fairly believable right now would be unreal back.

Hope this helps the pakistanis here.
 
Unleashed said:
Bumrah is ten levels above Shaheen and two-three levels above Waqar. The rules of ball tempering are far stricter now then but if Bumrah was given access to those tempered balls then his stats which are fairly believable right now would be unreal back.

Hope this helps the pakistanis here.
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He is anyday and everyday better than both Wasim and Waqar. His numbers prove it.
 
Lol folks take Bangladeshi moose so seriously just troll him and move on.. he doesnt even know how many overs were in 1992,1996 wc..
Him talking about Bumrah is equivalent to Andrew Tate talking about Michael Jordan
 
Unleashed said:
I've a bias for Wasim, as he was the absolute best when I started watching Cricket so I didn't add his name but thats true.
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Having a bias is different from accepting facts which overwhelmingly are in favor of Bumrah. Don't bother about what biased sore losers have to say.​
 
Hitman said:
Having a bias is different from accepting facts which overwhelmingly are in favor of Bumrah. Don't bother about what biased sore losers have to say.​
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Just have a laugh at them mate and move on. They are all reeling from the fact that India has won the same amount of major trophies in the last three years as Pakistan have won in their entire history.
 
Now on topic, for test Bumrah needs to achive 300 wickets in a similar consistency to be really considered as in the same league of Marshall McGrath etc. In limited over, he is the greatest fast bowler I have seen playing. We badly need WTC, I strongly believe we have a great chance to get in next couple of years.
 
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IndCricFan said:
Now on topic, for test Bumrah needs to achive 300 wickets in a similar consistency to be really considered as in the same league of Marshall McGrath etc. In limited over, he is the greatest fast bowler I have seen playing. We badly need WTC, I strongly believe we have a great chance to get in next couple of years.
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Welcome to the forum and you are so right, I have similar feelings regarding WTC as well.

As for the Tom and Jerry with my brothers here, it's all fun. A part of me finds @sweep_shot brother a cutie as well.
 
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Buffet said:
Broad, McGrath, Border, Waughan, Butcher on and on calling him best ever candidate translate to you feeling all of them have inferioirty coplex then no one can help you. I do see him clearly ahead of Wasim in all formats but not the best ever. best ever in the test format is Marshall. Best ever in all formats combined is Mcgrath.

Stop this non-sense, lol. Why are you so mad at simply sharing how high he gets rated by ex players. Waqar himself is on record saying that Bumrah is better than 2 Ws at similar stage. You can call him also to stop the non-sense.
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How many test wickets does Bhumrah have? How many did Ws have? How many SENA test series has Bhumrah won? He doesn't play Pak, SL are much weaker now than in Ws time. In England last year, India won when Bhumrah was absent and lost when he was there. How do you explain that?
 
Theanonymousone said:
Are you for real?

Bumrah has some unreal stats in WCT20’s - 40 wickets @13.65 average and 5.67 economy.

These are some other worldly stats. He literally won the 2024 T20 WC by himself.

How many WCs did Wasim Akram win??

Stats wise, Bumrah is better than Wasim in ODI Worldcups too

Bumrah - 38 wickets @ 19.5 avg, 4.2 econ., 27.5 SR

Wasim - 55 wickets @ 23.8 avg, 4.04 econ., 35.4 SR

He has better average and SR than Wasim at marginally lower econ. which is insane in current scenario.

He achieved far more than Wasim in SENA nations and there is no comparison
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What did he do in CT 2017F and WC F 2023? He even missed CT 2025 didn't he? He has done jack in ODIs and Tests. T20 only but even there he had cushion of 250 runs.
 
Josh said:
Michael Vaughn: Bumrah is the best I have ever seen

Someone from Dhaka: I can name 15 Bangladeshi bowlers who are better than Bumrah.
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One thing is for sure. From the time I followed Pakistan cricket religiously, I have never seen any commie gloat about a player as much as they do for bumrah. Not even for our Wasim or Imran. The level of praise and plaudits bumrah receives is far greater than anything I have seen in the past. As a Pakistani fan, hats off to the all format goat. Possibly top 6/7 odi bowler

And top 6 test bower of all time for now. One or 2 away series wins and he would be top 3. Away as in nz or SA
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
What did he do in CT 2017F and WC F 2023? He even missed CT 2025 didn't he? He has done jack in ODIs and Tests. T20 only but even there he had cushion of 250 runs.
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Against Rizzu champ he had cushion of 30 runs in 30 balls New York
 
The difference between Indian PPers and Pakistani PPers, generally speaking, is that most Indian fans have historically appreciated bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and Shoaib Akhtar. They still admire their bowling and respect their achievements and records.

On the other hand, many Pakistani PPers seem reluctant to acknowledge Jasprit Bumrah’s class and often look for reasons to downplay his performances simply because he is Indian.

If Bumrah had been from Pakistan, many of the same posters would likely be elevating him as the greatest fast bowler ever and placing him ahead of legends such as Wasim, McGrath, or Marshall.

This is often how online forums work—national bias, ego, and rivalry can override objective analysis, and discussions become less about cricketing merit and more about defending national pride.
 
big_gamer007 said:
The difference between Indian PPers and Pakistani PPers, generally speaking, is that most Indian fans have historically appreciated bowlers like Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, and Shoaib Akhtar. They still admire their bowling and respect their achievements and records.

On the other hand, many Pakistani PPers seem reluctant to acknowledge Jasprit Bumrah’s class and often look for reasons to downplay his performances simply because he is Indian.

If Bumrah had been from Pakistan, many of the same posters would likely be elevating him as the greatest fast bowler ever and placing him ahead of legends such as Wasim, McGrath, or Marshall.

This is often how online forums work—national bias, ego, and rivalry can override objective analysis, and discussions become less about cricketing merit and more about defending national pride.
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i wouldn’t take PP forum posts seriously. The general vibe I get is most Pak fans are genuinely obsessed and admire Virat Kohli, Bumrah and recently Abhishek Sharma.
 
Local.Dada said:
i wouldn’t take PP forum posts seriously. The general vibe I get is most Pak fans are genuinely obsessed and admire Virat Kohli, Bumrah and recently Abhishek Sharma.
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You may add Sanju in that list as well after his performance in the recent T20 World Cup.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
He doesn't play Pak, SL are much weaker now than in Ws time.
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LOL, Output actually heavily favors Bumrah compared to other pacers in history when it comes to turning it on against better teams in their era. Yes, Pak, SL, BD, WI are weak test teams so it's fair to see what Bumrah has done against Eng,SA, Same can be seen for others.

For example, take Wasim against better teams away and over all. Do the same for Bumrah. Gap is just too huge.

Wasim's avg in Ind/Aus/Eng/SA/WI : 27 wickets [away ]
Bumrah's Avg in Eng,SA,Eng,NZ : 20 wickets [away ]

Wasim's avg agaisnt Ind/Aus/Eng/SA/WI : 26 [home + away ]
Bumrah's Avg against Eng,SA,Eng,NZ : 21 [home + away ]

Outside of that Bumrah has played only 8 tests against WI/SL/BD with avg of 12. Wasim did not have that kind of record against weaker teams in his era as well. Wasim's not so impressive performance was not due to era being too hard because his peers like McGrath and Ambrose averaged 20-22 against stronger teams taken together. In short, weak or strong does not matter, Bumrah is not competing with Wasim. He clears him comfortably. Let's not talk about Waqar. Waqar was a tier below Wasim.

His competition is with Marshall, McGrath etc. To go above them he got to get past 300 test wickets in the test format with the same intentsity like now. Taking extra 75-100 wickes against weaker teams, like many past greats have done, won't elevate Bumrah to Marshall's level. Most of it has to be against good teams. In absence of that his career will be rated a bit below Marshall, McGrath etc in the test format.

If anyone can't get excited after seeing Marshall like quality in front of them then it means they don't enjoy cricket. I did not get to watch Marshall live, but glad to see Bumrah live. I will suggest enjoy it. No need to even compare if it makes it hard to appreciate. All greats like Wasim, Hadlee, Garner, IK, Marshall, MCgrath, Donald, Steyn, Warne, Murali, Ambrose etc have added a lot in history. Bumrah will extend it. Just enjoy it as cricket fan.
 
Buffet said:
LOL, Output actually heavily favors Bumrah compared to other pacers in history when it comes to turning it on against better teams in their era. Yes, Pak, SL, BD, WI are weak test teams so it's fair to see what Bumrah has done against Eng,SA, Same can be seen for others.

For example, take Wasim against better teams away and over all. Do the same for Bumrah. Gap is just too huge.

Wasim's avg in Ind/Aus/Eng/SA/WI : 27 wickets [away ]
Bumrah's Avg in Eng,SA,Eng,NZ : 20 wickets [away ]

Wasim's avg agaisnt Ind/Aus/Eng/SA/WI : 26 [home + away ]
Bumrah's Avg against Eng,SA,Eng,NZ : 21 [home + away ]

Outside of that Bumrah has played only 8 tests against WI/SL/BD with avg of 12. Wasim did not have that kind of record against weaker teams in his era as well. Wasim's not so impressive performance was not due to era being too hard because his peers like McGrath and Ambrose averaged 20-22 against stronger teams taken together. In short, weak or strong does not matter, Bumrah is not competing with Wasim. He clears him comfortably. Let's not talk about Waqar. Waqar was a tier below Wasim.

His competition is with Marshall, McGrath etc. To go above them he got to get past 300 test wickets in the test format with the same intentsity like now. Taking extra 75-100 wickes against weaker teams, like many past greats have done, won't elevate Bumrah to Marshall's level. Most of it has to be against good teams. In absence of that his career will be rated a bit below Marshall, McGrath etc in the test format.

If anyone can't get excited after seeing Marshall like quality in front of them then it means they don't enjoy cricket. I did not get to watch Marshall live, but glad to see Bumrah live. I will suggest enjoy it. No need to even compare if it makes it hard to appreciate. All greats like Wasim, Hadlee, Garner, IK, Marshall, MCgrath, Donald, Steyn, Warne, Murali, Ambrose etc have added a lot in history. Bumrah will extend it. Just enjoy it as cricket fan.
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Wasim has an Asian test Championship win, series draw vs GOAT WI team - what is Bhumrah claim to fame in tests? England series 2-2 and Ind lost both when Bhumrah was there and won when he was not.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Wasim has an Asian test Championship win, series draw vs GOAT WI team - what is Bhumrah claim to fame in tests? England series 2-2 and Ind lost both when Bhumrah was there and won when he was not.
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Played a major role in India winning Test series in Australia (2018–19 and 2020–21).

Multiple match winning five wicket halls in overseas test victories

Bumrah vs Wasim in ODI WC against tesr playing nations
Bumrah Akram
Matches 19 33
Wickets 36 42
Average 19.7 28.1
Economy 4.26 4.18
Strike Rate 27.8 40.3
Maidens 17 11

Much superior bowling avg

Both are legend of the game so one could still say Wasim had longer career but number wise Bumrah is superior
 
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