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Federal authorities have arrested a Toronto-area husband and wife accused of being Canadian accomplices to an enormous global scam involving overseas call centres, including the so-called CRA tax scam.

The calls will be familiar to many Canadians: Scammers, commonly in India, impersonate officials from the Canada Revenue Agency and insist the recipient owes taxes and must pay immediately, or else face arrest or imprisonment.

Gurinder Dhaliwal, 37, and Inderpreet Dhaliwal, 36, both of Brampton, Ont., were arrested and charged on Wednesday, said Insp. Jim Ogden, of the RCMP's financial crime unit for the Greater Toronto Area.

They each face one count of fraud over $5,000, one count of laundering the proceeds of crime and one count of property obtained by crime.

"We have disrupted the necessary flow of money from Canada to India, which will have a big impact on the operation and bottom line of scammers," Ogden said Friday, in announcing the charges.
RCMP Insp. Jim Ogden announces the arrest of two Canadians in connection with the infamous CRA telephone scam that originates overseas during a news conference in Milton, Ont., on Friday. (Michael Wilson/CBC)

Officials also announced they have issued a Canada-wide arrest warrant for a third individual, a 26-year-old foreign national, who is currently believed to be in India.

RCMP further said investigators searched the couple's home, seizing $26,000 in cash, $114,000 in jewelry, a cash-counting machine and envelopes allegedly sent by scam victims containing money they believed they owed.

The CRA scam alone has resulted in reported losses of more than $17.2 million in Canada between 2014 and 2019, Ogden said.

Additional phone-based and online scams — including the SIN scam, the tech support scam and the bank investigators scam — have also targeted Canadians. The Canadian Anti-Fraud Centre said it received nearly 20,000 reports about such calls in 2019, with more than 5,500 people falling victim last year.
As part of this week's arrests, RCMP also seized $26,000 in cash, $114,000 in jewelry and a cash-counting machine. (Michael Wilson/CBC)
How the arrests went down

Earlier this week, Marketplace was present when officers arrested the couple.

Undercover RCMP officers had been tailing the couple for days. Early Wednesday morning, Gurinder Dhaliwal stepped out of his home, got into his car and headed for work at a nearby factory.

Officers don't believe he had any idea he was being followed; unmarked vehicles tailed him, switching positions to avoid detection.
RCMP officers, whose identities CBC News has agreed to keep secret, huddle outside the accused man's workplace on Wednesday morning. (CBC)

"When he comes out, we'll be ready for him," said one RCMP officer.

As Dhaliwal pulled into the parking lot of his employer in Georgetown, Ont., at 5:45 a.m., the order was given and officers surrounded the man.

Within seconds, he was taken into custody, the contents of his pockets emptied as police loaded him into a vehicle to take him to the RCMP's financial crimes unit in Milton, Ont., where he was fingerprinted and processed.
The RCMP have arrested a married couple alleged to be acting as money launderers for those behind scam call centres operating out of India. (CBC)

Police allege Dhaliwal acted as an intermediary between Canadian victims and the organized crime groups operating the call centre scams back in India.

A few hours after the man was arrested, officers then called his wife, Inderpreet Dhaliwal, ordering her to come to the RCMP detachment. She, too, was under police surveillance and was taken into custody as soon as she parked her car.

In an exclusive interview with Marketplace following the arrests, Ogden said his team's investigation reveals this couple was working directly with scammers operating out of India.

"They were essentially money mules … that were receiving bags of cash, then counting cash, and then essentially dispersing it and making it accessible to those that are running the illegal call centres in India."

The couple have not yet entered a plea and were released on their own recognizance. They are scheduled to appear in a Brampton court on March 2.

Watch the full Marketplace episode, To Catch a Scammer below:
Marketplace tracks down the scammers behind those fake CRA phone calls

1 year ago 1:14

David Common travels to India in an attempt to catch the fraudsters behind the CRA tax scam 1:14
Marketplace gets action

Marketplace has reported extensively on these overseas call centres, twice travelling to India to investigate. That coverage was instrumental in action being taken back here at home, Ogden said.

"It certainly helped that CBC did their exposé ... that highlighted this a little more for all Canadians, including the RCMP. It pushed us in that direction and certainly investigate it," he said.

'They're nothing but financial terrorists': 60,000 Canadians have complained about the CRA phone scam

How we got inside an overseas tech support scam targeting Canadians

Ogden leads Project Octavia, a special task force formed in 2018 to investigate the widespread scam. It came about one month after a Marketplace investigation identified the location of one major criminal enterprise in Mumbai behind the harassing calls.
A CBC Marketplace investigation into the CRA phone scam tracked some of the calls to this nondescript, low-rise apartment building in Mumbai. (Dave MacIntosh/CBC)

At the time, a senior Indian police commissioner said the RCMP had never reached out to co-ordinate prosecution of the offending call centres. Canadian federal officials later said they were communicating with other authorities in India and conducting their own investigations.

"We started our investigation in October of 2018 [and] these particular individuals that have been arrested today and will be charged actually came to light in March of 2019," said Ogden.

RCMP probe of international CRA phone scam IDs Canadian suspects

As RCMP raids target India over CRA phone scam, possible Canadian collaborators have reason to be nervous

'More arrests coming'

Police have since worked with Indian authorities to carry out a flurry of raids against suspected illegal call centres in the country. Canadian officials said Friday they know of 39 call centres, in the New Delhi and Noida area, that have been shut down.

Ogden said still others will face police scrutiny and that he anticipates more arrests and charges "in the next few weeks."

He also offered this message to those still involved in the scam: "We'll find you, and we'll further investigate, and we'll charge where we can."

Victims of the scams are often elderly or new Canadians who don't realize that federal tax authorities or major tech companies would never demand payment unsolicited, either by phone or online, or ask them to pay in difficult-to-trace Bitcoin or retail gift cards.
After falling victim to tech support scammers in India, Nahid Philipos is thrilled to see arrests have been made in Canada. (CBC)

That's what happened to Nahid Philipos, a Toronto woman who lost $3,000 to the so-called tech support scam — after calling a number she found online when her iPhone stopped working.

After news of this week's arrests, Philipos said she is relieved to see police finally making arrests here in Canada.

"Even if I'm not getting my money [back], I'm happy that action is being taken for other people to be safe. It is very important," she said.
Still more work to be done

Mark Simchison, the former head of the Hamilton Police Service's major fraud unit, has been following these types of scams closely for years.

"Good for them. It's about bloody time," he said about this week's arrests.
Mark Simchison, the former head of the Hamilton Police Service's major fraud unit, said he is pleased to see Project Octavia moving forward. (CBC)

Before this action, Simchison believed Canadian authorities were not sufficiently prioritizing the issue.

"I wanted to have faith and I'm glad that they proved me right," said Simchison. "And kudos to … Marketplace, because you were the one that instigated this, in my view."

Simchison said while he is pleased to see Project Octavia moving forward, it's clear, however, that there's more work to be done.

"Slowly, they may erode away at this; it's not going to stop overnight, but it may deter them. And then, of course, something new will come along unfortunately. But that's just the way it works. That's how fraud works."



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rcmp-cra-telephone-scam-fraud-investigation-1.5463838
 
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I actually used to receive this type of call frequently. I got threatened with a lawsuit once.

Canada needs to weed out these scammers. Just deport. No need to keep them in jail.
 
This is really common in America, we get so many indian scammers pretending to be IRS or SSA employees, they've given all south Asians a bad name.
 
I support surgical strikes on some of these scammers based in call centers in india.
 
India seems to have too many of these scammers.
I got a few calls too. I just give them an earful and Hang up.
 
I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?
 
I support surgical strikes on some of these scammers based in call centers in india.

I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?

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India seems to have too many of these scammers.
I got a few calls too. I just give them an earful and Hang up.
Even I got these calls so many times recently last week. There are so many of these scammers in Noida, Gurgaon etc.
 
I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?

:)) That's genuinely funny.
 
I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?

:)))wth man
 
I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?

Hilarious lol
 
I live In Canada and I have recieved these calls as well. I am glad they got arrested and I am sure thier is more people involved in this who are still in the country. Stuff like this gives Indians and desis a bad name as well it needs to stop
 
The CRA and the IRS agents are not authorized to contact people on the phone. All communications are via official letters
 
I think there are two ways to deal with them -

1) Just hang up.

2) Mess around with them and waste their time.
 
I liked to waste their time.. I’m in the US and this happens around here all the time.. didn’t they raid a call center in India associated with this and arrest a bunch of folks a while back?
 
These I disgusting ndians call me in Australia as well, disgusting Indians I have recoreded a bunch of these calls.

I do some scambaiting and waste their time, they usually target the elderly, it's disgusting.
 
I liked to waste their time.. I’m in the US and this happens around here all the time.. didn’t they raid a call center in India associated with this and arrest a bunch of folks a while back?

They did but I believe that was just one I'm sure theirs a lot more different people running these true of operations all over India
 
I usually troll them about the February 26/27 events from last year, which enrages them to no end. First pretend you are falling for their scam for a few minutes, then pull this one out: "How do you feel about Pakistani shooting down your plane in February last year"?

Lol I do the same, I sound white so when I ask them why India is committing genocide in Kashmir and when will they leave they get surprised and really offended - "No sur no sur, you vrong, vho tell you this?" and then I end it with pen**** and then they realized I know more than they think lmaooo
 
Lol I do the same, I sound white so when I ask them why India is committing genocide in Kashmir and when will they leave they get surprised and really offended - "No sur no sur, you vrong, vho tell you this?" and then I end it with pen**** and then they realized I know more than they think lmaooo

Does your name sound white, too?
 
Number of scammers increased a lot in last few years, majority of them are from noth India, are they being trained under modiji's skill India campaign ?
 
Number of scammers increased a lot in last few years, majority of them are from noth India, are they being trained under modiji's skill India campaign ?

Modi ji got special permission from Trump on fooling the Americans just as Trump himself has so often done in his business dealings before (and after) he became president.
 
Modi ji got special permission from Trump on fooling the Americans just as Trump himself has so often done in his business dealings before (and after) he became president.
There will be another feather in the cap of modiji if FATF sanctions India for not taking any action against scammers
 
These scammers rob elderly and new immigrants from non English speaking countries. Its such a shame for India.

Indian posters should not bring Pakistan into this thread as its akin to defending these scammers.
 
Central/West India, Indore city is the hub.
I think they are specialised in scamming Indians most of the stock exchange related scammers operates from there, North India(Delhi/UP) based are specialised in looting foreigners
 
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These scammers rob elderly and new immigrants from non English speaking countries. Its such a shame for India.

Indian posters should not bring Pakistan into this thread as its akin to defending these scammers.

Thanks you for being honest. I believe these people do give a lot of hard working indians in US, some of them very good friends of mine a bad name. In fact an American Indian friend of mine was complaining to me the other day that they managed to fool his elderly father and got his social security and DOB and all kinds of other information from him.

It’s terrible!
 
This is really common in America, we get so many indian scammers pretending to be IRS or SSA employees, they've given all south Asians a bad name.

And I get profiled when I go through airport security, so fair is fair.

In the same vein, the "good name" due to Nadella, Kurien, Pichai, Nooyi, Krishna etc. should be a professional plus for you if you are able to grab the opportunity. But you would need to discard the mace, put on a shirt, and trim that mustache.
 
A group of like 10 Indian men between like 25-40 were caught in New Zealand last year or 2 years ago for the same thing.
 
These scammers usually target elders.

A taxi driver saved an elderly woman from being scammed out of $25,000
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Rajbir Singh saved an elderly passenger in his cab from giving a scammer $25,000 in Roseville, California. He is flanked by Roseville Police records clerk Megan Harrigan and police Capt. Josh Simon.

(CNN)A California cab driver knew something sounded fishy when his elderly passenger said she needed a ride to the bank to withdraw $25,000.
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/16/us/taxi-driver-prevents-scam-trnd/index.html
 
From my recent experience, call centres in South Africa have now probably taken over India as the worst.

They are rude, obnoxious and not very intelligent.

Terrible customer experience most of the time.
 
From my recent experience, call centres in South Africa have now probably taken over India as the worst.

They are rude, obnoxious and not very intelligent.

Terrible customer experience most of the time.

Are these call centers genuine, i.e. companies have outsourced their customer service there, or are they scam call centers?

In my experience in Canada and US in the recent past, it's not very common to have genuine call centers in India. It was more common maybe 10 years.
 
Are these call centers genuine, i.e. companies have outsourced their customer service there, or are they scam call centers?

In my experience in Canada and US in the recent past, it's not very common to have genuine call centers in India. It was more common maybe 10 years.

He is talking about the genuine ones(official) and you are right about call centers majority have movies to Philippines and Africa.
 
He is talking about the genuine ones(official) and you are right about call centers majority have movies to Philippines and Africa.

Yes lately all banks and credit card companies seem to have shifted their call centers to Philippines. It could be just economics. Maybe as India's IT industry matures and domestic consumption of IT services increases, it is becoming financially non viable for companies used to low wages to find employees in India.
 
He is talking about the genuine ones(official) and you are right about call centers majority have movies to Philippines and Africa.

Yes lately all banks and credit card companies seem to have shifted their call centers to Philippines. It could be just economics. Maybe as India's IT industry matures and domestic consumption of IT services increases, it is becoming financially non viable for companies used to low wages to find employees in India.

I have noticed Philippines myself (Africa less so) and their customer service seems to be far superior.

I am sure they can find people in India given India's population, but customers were quite often unhappy with the level of customer service.
 
I have noticed Philippines myself (Africa less so) and their customer service seems to be far superior.

I am sure they can find people in India given India's population, but customers were quite often unhappy with the level of customer service.

Its to do with margins and culture and the workforce, Philippines handles multiple customer cares(per person) and also is more in tune with American culture and their urban population is ready to work for that salary.

Indians in cities prefer to work in IT which pays better and has scope for growth.(after the dot com bubble crash)
Indians in tier two towns would work for call centers for those salaries but unfortunately they can’t give the same service or language proficiency as ones in cities(not degrading them but they just don’t grow up speaking English) so Philippines became preferred.
 
Illegal Call Centre Defrauding Senior Citizens In US Busted In Delhi

The Delhi Police has arrested three men for allegedly running illegal call centres here and defrauding senior citizens based in the US on the pretext of providing them with technical support against "malfunctioning" of their computers, officials said on Friday.

The accused, identified as Jatin Lamba, Harshad Madaan, and Vikas Gupta, were held in Delhi after police conducted overnight raids, whereas their counterpart Jayant Bhatia was arrested by Canadian Law Enforcement Agency from Toronto and Kulwinder Singh was arrested by the FBI, USA from New Jersey, they said.

Police said Jatin Lamba with his brother Gagan Lamba was running a company from Ganesh Nagar, New Delhi camouflaging as a tech support company and used to run call centres that targeted US citizens.

Deputy Commissioner of Police (IFSO, Special Cell) Prashant K Gautam said Gupta has been involved in the scam as calling agent to provide tech support to fix the technical glitch in the computer of the victim.

Madaan, the DCP said, used to mobilize the cheated funds to the account of the alleged company on a commission basis as he had arranged bank accounts in fraudulently-created companies WebMaster and Webleaders in the United States to collect the amount from victims in US and then transfer the same through a wire to the account of the alleged company in Delhi.

According to police, the matter came to light after the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) approached the Delhi Police through the Interpol Wing of the CBI with details of cyber criminals who had been operating full-fledged call centres from Delhi and adjoining areas to defraud senior citizens of the US on the pretext of providing them tech support against malfunctioning of their computers.

According to the information shared by the US, there are more than 20,000 victims who have fallen prey to such schemes of crime devised and executed by criminals based in India, causing a revenue loss of more than $10 million to America between 2012 and 2020, police said.

Explaining the modus operandi, the officer said that in scams of tech support, pop-ups were sent to a large number of targeted senior citizens who are not tech-savvy. They would be alerted to a Microsoft issue or some type of fraudulent activity that must be addressed immediately by calling a designated telephone number on the pop-up advertisement.

"On contacting the designated number, the target was convinced to pay a certain amount for fixing the so-called technical glitch by taking over the control of the computer of a victim through voluntarily-shared code of any RDP (Remote Desktop Programme) like AnyDesk, LogMeIn etc.

"Generally, it is a fake technical issue in the computer of a victim but they are convinced to pay certain sum of amount through cheque, money order or PayPal etc. In some instances, they re-victimise the same person to pay again and again. These types of threat vectors targeting US senior citizens were found to be originated from Canada or India," the DCP said.

"During course of investigation, two laptops and three mobile phones were taken into possession from the accused. Forensic scrutiny of Harshad Madaan's laptop led to the recovery of the statement of the commission received by him from M/s PC Support and Care (alleged company) for facilitating the transfer of cheated amount from the victims to the account of PC Support and Care Pvt. Ltd., which was incorporated on August 17, 2012, having its registered address at Ramesh Nagar, Delhi with two directors Jatin Lamba and Gagan Lamba," the officer said.

Police said a company identified as Techspine Technologies Pvt. Ltd. was also found to be incorporated with ROC- Delhi and Haryana by Vikas Gupta with Aditya Gupta as its directors.

"During his interrogation, Vikas Gupta stated that the alleged company was created to run a call centre from Faridabad to cheat the US citizens, but it could not take off and he ended up as a calling agent on behalf of M/s PC Support and Care," Gautam said.

Police said further investigation into the case is underway even as the scrutiny of bank accounts of the alleged company has revealed huge transactions from abroad and a total amount of credit entries to be ₹ 4,36,45,376 during the period from January 12, 2012, to November 6, 2020.

NDTV
 
Fake call centres that dupe people around the world are commonly found in India, but Mumbai police said on Monday that they managed to bust one because of what the workers were having for breakfast.

The centre, located in a house along Rajodi Beach outside India’s financial capital, housed dozens of employees who were not allowed to leave the building to prevent them from interacting with outsiders.

But police got a tip-off that someone was repeatedly ordering dozens of breakfasts from a nearby eatery — and at 4am.

“The beach resort is full of tourists on weekends and almost deserted on other days. So the 50 to 60 tea and breakfast orders so early every morning for many days raised our suspicion and we started secretly monitoring the place,” police officer Suhas Bavche told AFP.
 
The calls from Indian call centres are hilarious.


Usually when I get them on the weekends, I troll the living daylights out of them, make sure I keep them on the phone for atleast 30mins to an hour keeping them on the hook, leading them on, waste their time and get them frustrated as hell :)).

These guys/gals calling from Indian call centers don't realize they are walking into an ambush when they ring my number :apology
 
Indians harassed by spam calls flood on WhatsApp

WhatsApp has asked users to block and report suspicious accounts after several Indians complained about receiving calls from unknown international numbers.

Indian WhatsApp users have been sharing screenshots of such audio and video calls on social media.

With 487 million users, India has WhatsApp's largest userbase.

A government spokesperson said "service providers have issued an advisory" about these spam calls.

Users have been sharing screenshots online - with many saying they have been flooded with calls from countries in Southeast Asia and Africa.

Most of them have said that the frequency of these calls has gone up several time in recent days.

In its statement to NDTV, the messaging platform advised users to use privacy controls on the app and to safeguard their accounts by making personal details visible to only their contacts.

"It's important to report these accounts to WhatsApp so that we can take the required action against and ban them from the platform," a spokesperson for the company told the Times of India newspaper.

As part of its "preventive actions to combat abuse" on the platform, WhatsApp said it had banned 4.7 million accounts in March.

The company also said it had launched a safety campaign to educate users about tools on the platform that would help protect them from online scams, frauds, and other threats.

BBC
 
Indians harassed by spam calls flood on WhatsApp

WhatsApp has asked users to block and report suspicious accounts after several Indians complained about receiving calls from unknown international numbers.

Indian WhatsApp users have been sharing screenshots of such audio and video calls on social media.

With 487 million users, India has WhatsApp's largest userbase.

A government spokesperson said "service providers have issued an advisory" about these spam calls.

Users have been sharing screenshots online - with many saying they have been flooded with calls from countries in Southeast Asia and Africa.

Most of them have said that the frequency of these calls has gone up several time in recent days.

In its statement to NDTV, the messaging platform advised users to use privacy controls on the app and to safeguard their accounts by making personal details visible to only their contacts.

"It's important to report these accounts to WhatsApp so that we can take the required action against and ban them from the platform," a spokesperson for the company told the Times of India newspaper.

As part of its "preventive actions to combat abuse" on the platform, WhatsApp said it had banned 4.7 million accounts in March.

The company also said it had launched a safety campaign to educate users about tools on the platform that would help protect them from online scams, frauds, and other threats.

BBC

I've getting whatsapp calls and messages from scammers very frequently.
 
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