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Can Alastair Cook break Sachin Tendulkar's record for most Test runs?

excellent post

tendulkar does not have "high impact" records such as highest score in a test innings,triple hundreds,most runs in a calender year,most runs in a series,hundreds in fourth innings etc etc which a player of his caliber should have achieved.

i think kohli is going to surpass him when it comes to these high impact records.

Actually he was top scorer in an year 5 times.He was also the top rated batsman of the world more times than anyone else,even viv,lara or ponting.He is the only batsman in history to average 40 plus against all test sides home and away.(except bradman)No one else has that.
Tendulkar in the 90s was the greatest batsman i ever saw.He declined after the back and elbow injuries in the mid 2000s.For someone to be the best batsman in the world and top scorer in today's ultra competitive sport at the age of 40 in 2010-11 was insane.No other batsman can do that at age 40.
Tendulkar in 1990s faced the best bowlers in the world,simply incomparable to the FTB generation post 2000s.The only one comparable was lara,and he played for records even more.Ponting didn't face a single ATG bowler in his peak in early 2000s,not mcgrath or warne and not steyn.Sangakkara scored like 3k-4k runs against bangladesh lol.

Tendulkar's main weakness was susceptibility to pressure ,he was the player in the history of the game who had to handle this most and sometimes was vulnerable to it.Other weakness was his awareness of records.He was not a selfish player by any means but cared about records a bit more than necessary which was a hangover from the indian cricket culture of 1980s when he came into the side.
 
Knew it. It looks easy when the player is at its peak but thats a huge mountain to climb. I am sorry but not even Kohli can climb that in tests.
 
Kohli will not finish as an ATG test player anyway. For him to be compared to Tendulkar in tests is very unfair.
 
He will retire in a year to 18 months. Always said he won't break Sachins record. He's played over 150 games, English players don't play for longevity usually. English pundits think Cook can play for another 5 or 6 years which I don't see happening.
 
Tendulkar started at a relatively early age to built up his record, and mostly kept up the high scoring innings through out. So it will be not an easy task for Cook to match it, and the Australians are not helping him in any way !!!!!!
 
I don't see anyone who is currently playing to be good enough to break tendulkar's record, tendulkar achieved what he achieved due to the sheer longevity of his career while maintaining his performances at a level only ATG's can reach and because he started as early as he did.

Smith has been phenomenal in last few years but he will have to continue in the same vein for atleast next 7-8 years to get to tendulkar and i don't see that happening, smith's ability comes from his reflexes when he gets to 32-33 those will slow down which is when his technique will come back to bite him badly.

Kohli i don't think is good enough to be even considered for this, he will surpass tendulkar in ODI's without difficulty but not tests.

Neither williamson nor root right now possess the run making ability of either kohli or smith and by the time they achieve that level of consistency they will have the same problem as the likes of cook and others have had just not enough time to get where tendulkar is Stats wise.
 
Shows Tendulkar's greatness. Not only did he debut and hold his own as a 16 year old, he kept up an ATG level till he was 38 years old. It's insane when you think about it.
 
Tendulkar started at a relatively early age to built up his record, and mostly kept up the high scoring innings through out. So it will be not an easy task for Cook to match it, and the Australians are not helping him in any way !!!!!!

while he did start early but India played very few Test matches back then ... during his Peak yrs 1990-2003 Aus played 159 Tests and Eng 153 compared to Indias 109 ... Just imagine what his record might have been had he played more Test matches in the 90s and early 2000s !! Should have played atleast 25 more Test matches during his peak yrs. Such a shame.

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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
 
while he did start early but India played very few Test matches back then ... during his Peak yrs 1990-2003 Aus played 159 Tests and Eng 153 compared to Indias 109 ... Just imagine what his record might have been had he played more Test matches in the 90s and early 2000s !! Should have played atleast 25 more Test matches during his peak yrs. Such a shame.

Link:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...1990;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
He also skipped a few easy tours, to Zim once in 2005 & WI twice, in 2006 & 2011. He should've played all of those games, could've retired early & some of his haters wouldn;t have had a heartache or stomach burn seeing him play 200 tests.

In all seriousness though the media hype around his 100th ton did ruin the last couple of years of his career.
 
Crazy how Tendulkar kept up his level for 20+ years. Runs don't grow on trees. That level of longevity is a remarkable and rare attribute.
 
Records are meant to be broken. It will be good if some one can maintain the same level of performance for decades and beak SRT's record.

Cook can still break it. He just needs to keep doing enough to not get dropped. Easy runs/tons will come. All attacks won't be similar to what he is facing right now in Aus.
 
Cook's time is up. He's almost 33 and another difficult series (lets say against SA or India) and he will be on his way. If England had somebody knocking on the door I would have said this was probably his last series. I feel for him but time catches up to every one.
 
Cook's career rests on the next 3 tests in the Ashes. He had to give up his captaincy after the debacle in India where after a good start his batting went downhill. His team suffered as well. He along with Root is the best player in the top order. His repeated failures isn't going to do any good for his team. No one is standing up to be counted like S Marsh has done for Australia either. Another couple of failures, people will be calling for his head. He isn't the captain anymore and lots of heads rolled after 2013/14 Ashes debacle and this time too there will be a few. Cook might be one of them.
 
Cook's time is up. He's almost 33 and another difficult series (lets say against SA or India) and he will be on his way. If England had somebody knocking on the door I would have said this was probably his last series. I feel for him but time catches up to every one.

Indian bowlers in Eng? It's hardly a difficult series for Cook.
 
People on PP underrate the importance of longevity.

You don't get to records just because you played a lot of games but you played a lot of games since you were able to sustain a high level for a long time.
 
Aus bowlers are too quick for him. His reaction time is slow. Feet movement is non existent.

Another failure for Cookie Monster.
 
I would drop him down to #3, see how he goes there. Might be a way to get a couple more years out of him.
 
Time is up for him

Once a strong pillar of England batting, now a burden.
 
Rubbish player, and yet PP has a thread on this guy comparing him to Sachin.

ATG players don't go 2+ years without a century.
 
Looks like a walking wicket now and should retire at end of this series.
 
I think his time is up, barring a voluntary spell at first drop to see if giving up the opening berth brings him back to life a bit. Otherwise he will soon be enjoying a thoroughly deserved retirement.

Some really ignorant comments coming out though, “rubbish player” etc he is clearly not that, he has been a very good batsman in world cricket and a great player for England, deserves a bit of respect.
 
Some really ignorant comments coming out though, “rubbish player” etc he is clearly not that, he has been a very good batsman in world cricket and a great player for England, deserves a bit of respect.

Agreed......
 
The question should be how many more test matches is he going to play?

That average is going south very fast...
 
Rubbish player, and yet PP has a thread on this guy comparing him to Sachin.

ATG players don't go 2+ years without a century.

The thread is about whether he can break Sachin's record, it's not a comparison of Sachin vs Cook. I doubt there's many who believe Cook is even close to Sachin's level.
 
He is a great opener for england but greatly helped by insane no of test matches that england plays to bulk up his stats.
He has played 150 tests in just 11 years!!! On the other hand sachin got just 51 tests during his 7 years of prime 1994-00.
He is at the level of justin langer, kirsten and below the likes of hayden, greame smith even if he has got 3000-4000 runs more them.
 
People on PP underrate the importance of longevity.

You don't get to records just because you played a lot of games but you played a lot of games since you were able to sustain a high level for a long time.

False. You can also play a lot of games if there is no one good enough to replace you, once you're over the hill or you were lucky enough to be picked early by a team in transition.

A 17 year old star that emerges in a mediocre cricketing nation tomorrow will easily get to play 200 tests if the level of competition is not intense. Sachin, Kapil and Cook all played longer than they should have.

Longevity matters far less for me than a player's peak performances.
 
I would drop him down to #3, see how he goes there. Might be a way to get a couple more years out of him.

I would do the same. England have no champions waiting on the sidelines who can do better and his vast experience puts him in a better position than the likes of Ballance or Jennings. If he can get past Pakistan, Cookie will enjoy the Indian bowlers when they arrive for their traditional thumping.

Bring back Hameed next year, partner him with Stoneman and bat Cook and Root at #3 and #4, respectively. A quite solid top four, at least on paper, which Malan, Bairstow, Stokes and Moeen can capitalize one.
 
People on PP underrate the importance of longevity.

You don't get to records just because you played a lot of games but you played a lot of games since you were able to sustain a high level for a long time.

Cook debuted in 2006 and only plays tests. He hasn't yet completed 12 years and doesn't play limited overs either. It is pretty normal to be fit for 12 years of your career.

Tendulkar/Ponting/Kallis case is a longevity in true sense not Cook for me.
 
Sachin, Kapil and Cook all played longer than they should have.

Longevity matters far less for me than a player's peak performances.

Er, how do you know if someone played longer? Based on their last years? Sachin was written off from 2007 itself. Then he made a comeback, won us an ODI series in Australia, drew us series in South Africa. Helped the team achieve no 1 ranking in tests (he had highest average). Played a pivotal role in world cup semi final which we won. Became the first ODI batsman to score 200

So you can whine about how he played longer than he should but using your logic he would have been dropped by 2008 and done none of those things

But wait, it's an Indian player. I like how you threw in Cook there to balance stuff but Indian player and Bilal's comment
 
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Cook's legacy is all about those two big series against depleted sides but he did scored plenty enough to make those two series memorable. There is not much to really remember of Cook apart from that.

That 294 in Abu Dhabi came on the flattest deck of all time against an attack with Wahab being the best bowler by far in that match for Pakistan.No yasir or ajmal.

I cant find a peak period in his overall career like we could for other great players. Overall, very very good test cricketer(over achieved a bit), decent captain( poor tactically but credit for carrying the team for this long)and a failed ODI cricketer. Nobody will remember him 50 years down the lines when talking about ATGs.

Sanga,Kohli, Smith and ABDV are the only ones post 2000s that will be remembered even many years later.
 
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Rubbish player, and yet PP has a thread on this guy comparing him to Sachin.

ATG players don't go 2+ years without a century.

Nah, he is a very good batsman. He is simply past his prime now.
 
False. You can also play a lot of games if there is no one good enough to replace you, once you're over the hill or you were lucky enough to be picked early by a team in transition.

A 17 year old star that emerges in a mediocre cricketing nation tomorrow will easily get to play 200 tests if the level of competition is not intense. Sachin, Kapil and Cook all played longer than they should have.

Longevity matters far less for me than a player's peak performances.

Well one case in entire history so far and there were lots of mediocre sides in history. Let's see if we get to see few more cases in future. Having said that SRT did play 10-12 tests extra.
 
Well one case in entire history so far and there were lots of mediocre sides in history. Let's see if we get to see few more cases in future. Having said that SRT did play 10-12 tests extra.

Well i for once agree with [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] that Sachin overstayed for 2 years ( 20 odd tests ). I am his greatest fan .
 
I absolutely despised Cook for years. Found him boring and awkward to watch apart from the slog sweep he used to play to spinners early in his career. But the tour of India with KP changed me. I still wouldn't regard him as an ATG because ATGs are also supposed to entertain while piling up the runs. But he sure deserves a lot of respect for his guts, dedication and will to just bat and bat and bat. Great batsman.
 
Well i for once agree with [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] that Sachin overstayed for 2 years ( 20 odd tests ). I am his greatest fan .

He had a gun series in SA. He was performing better than anyone else in world at that time and ranked 1 or 2.

Do we give 2-3 series to see decline for players to decide that it's over or we are talking after having benefit of hindsight ? If you give at least 2-3 series to call it a day then he did hung out for 10-12 tests extra. Now having the benefit of hindsight make it look like he hung out for 20-25 tests extra.

Just from my memory,

Wasim played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Border played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Ponting played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.

I can list a lot more players here. Yes, all of them could have retired at precise time before they declined, but that's just benefit of hindsight here.

I won't call 2-3 series immediately after SA series as over staying. I will call it over staying after that for sure.
 
False. You can also play a lot of games if there is no one good enough to replace you, once you're over the hill or you were lucky enough to be picked early by a team in transition.

A 17 year old star that emerges in a mediocre cricketing nation tomorrow will easily get to play 200 tests if the level of competition is not intense. Sachin, Kapil and Cook all played longer than they should have.

Longevity matters far less for me than a player's peak performances.

Absolutely agree again you present the most brilliant arguments without chance of counter, it wasn't as if the tendulkar played 200 test matches while averaging 50+, nope average batsman is what he is. So what if the you look at actual stats rather than having a biased viewpoint that off the 66 players two played 100+ test matches only 2 managed to average more than him 1 of them kallis played 36 matches less while other sangakkara played 66 matches less. Because longevity at that level does not matter at all
 
He had a gun series in SA. He was performing better than anyone else in world at that time and ranked 1 or 2.

Do we give 2-3 series to see decline for players to decide that it's over or we are talking after having benefit of hindsight ? If you give at least 2-3 series to call it a day then he did hung out for 10-12 tests extra. Now having the benefit of hindsight make it look like he hung out for 20-25 tests extra.

Just from my memory,

Wasim played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Border played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Ponting played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.

I can list a lot more players here. Yes, all of them could have retired at precise time before they declined, but that's just benefit of hindsight here.

I won't call 2-3 series immediately after SA series as over staying. I will call it over staying after that for sure.

He last played SA in Jan 2011. He retired on Nov 2013. So yeah I have accomodated 2-3 series when I said 2 years instead of almost 3 he overstayed.
 
He last played SA in Jan 2011. He retired on Nov 2013. So yeah I have accomodated 2-3 series when I said 2 years instead of almost 3 he overstayed.

If you are giving him 3 series after SA tour then he played 12 tests after that. He didn't play 20 odd tests after that. That's why I said that he played 12 tests extra.
 
If you are giving him 3 series after SA tour then he played 12 tests after that. He didn't play 20 odd tests after that. That's why I said that he played 12 tests extra.

Exaggerating to convey the point across ;-). Jokes apart , yeah i dunno what i was thinking.
 
Exaggerating to convey the point across ;-). Jokes apart , yeah i dunno what i was thinking.

That's fine.

Lot's of time he gets criticized for over staying and I think that's warranted, but some perspective is needed.

Yes, he was past his prime in Eng and Aus tour and it was visible. But he got many starts without making it big.

Just to put it in perspective, He was second highest scorer from India in Eng and Aus. That was his 2 tours after SA. Then he played WI at home with average of mid 40s. These 3 tours were clearly below his standards, but not horrible ones.

Next 3 series against NZ, Eng and Aus at home were horrible ones. Ideally he should have not played anything after WI series at home, but he did over stay. These 3 series were the prime examples of him being done with cricket. If anything he can be accused of overstaying for these 3 test series. He did make a call to retire after these 3 series.

Posters often lump his tours of Eng and Aus to make a case that he should have retired after SA tour, but he was still the second highest scorer in those two series. Not a great tour of Eng or Aus by any means, but we have many guns batsmen averaging in mid 30s in many countries even in their entire career and that's what SRT's averaged in his last tour of Eng and Aus.
 
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Well one case in entire history so far and there were lots of mediocre sides in history. Let's see if we get to see few more cases in future. Having said that SRT did play 10-12 tests extra.

Sachin played 20-30 tests more than anyone else because he was ahead of the curve as a teenager and because India did not have an established batting order when he came onto the scene. Otherwise, the likes of Cook, Kallis, Dravid, Ponting have all nearly played as long as he has. Longevity is overrated.

Quality over quantity always. Sachin is a legend for me because he was a fantastic batsman at his peak, not because he played more and as a result, scored more, than anyone else.

Er, how do you know if someone played longer? Based on their last years? Sachin was written off from 2007 itself. Then he made a comeback, won us an ODI series in Australia, drew us series in South Africa. Helped the team achieve no 1 ranking in tests (he had highest average). Played a pivotal role in world cup semi final which we won. Became the first ODI batsman to score 200

So you can whine about how he played longer than he should but using your logic he would have been dropped by 2008 and done none of those things

But wait, it's an Indian player. I like how you threw in Cook there to balance stuff but Indian player and Bilal's comment

I'm not whining. I couldn't care less about Sachin since he's not a Pakistani player. You lot have a history with idolizing your players and placing them on pedestals from where it is tough to nudge them aside for newer, hungrier players. It happened with Kapil and then it happened with Sachin. Both played the last few matches of their career solely because their egos were urging them to break some dumb, longevity records.

He had a gun series in SA. He was performing better than anyone else in world at that time and ranked 1 or 2.

Do we give 2-3 series to see decline for players to decide that it's over or we are talking after having benefit of hindsight ? If you give at least 2-3 series to call it a day then he did hung out for 10-12 tests extra. Now having the benefit of hindsight make it look like he hung out for 20-25 tests extra.

Just from my memory,

Wasim played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Border played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.
Ponting played couple of series with poor performance before calling it a day.

I can list a lot more players here. Yes, all of them could have retired at precise time before they declined, but that's just benefit of hindsight here.

I won't call 2-3 series immediately after SA series as over staying. I will call it over staying after that for sure.

He played for 2-3 years extra solely so he could get to the 200 test matches mark and get to 100 centuries. It's not about hindsight, it's about players having extra-long careers because they refuse to move on. Some guy said longevity is underrated and my comment was in response to him.

Of course, you can only find out that it is time to move on after you fail in a couple of series. That happens with every player, barring a few special cases who retire while on top.
 
Coming back to Cook, he needs to either move down the order or retire. He cannot handle opening duties anymore. Either bat him at #3 or #4.

England's problem is that they do not have any batsmen waiting on the sidelines, apart from Hameed.
 
Cook debuted in 2006 and only plays tests. He hasn't yet completed 12 years and doesn't play limited overs either. It is pretty normal to be fit for 12 years of your career.

Tendulkar/Ponting/Kallis case is a longevity in true sense not Cook for me.

Kallis was a class apart. He batted for years like those two but also bowled. He bowled fast.
 
Shows Tendulkar's greatness. Not only did he debut and hold his own as a 16 year old, he kept up an ATG level till he was 38 years old. It's insane when you think about it.

What does this even mean? I'm assuming you're trying to say for every year he played, he could be considered great. But...

13 of his playing years he averaged below the ATG average of 50.

6 of his playing years he averaged below 40! 6 years!

5 of his years he actually, unbelievably averaged below 30!!

Cook is going through a bad patch obviously, but using it to make Sachin look better isn't right. Sachin had a lot of bad patches. But to be fair to him, he probably had more purple patches then anyone else as well.
 
He played for 2-3 years extra solely so he could get to the 200 test matches mark and get to 100 centuries. It's not about hindsight, it's about players having extra-long careers because they refuse to move on.

So what was the exact test series do you think he should have retired which would have satisfied you? I gave an exact breakdown earlier, feel free to point out which doesn't require benefit of hindsight.
 
So what was the exact test series do you think he should have retired which would have satisfied you? I gave an exact breakdown earlier, feel free to point out which doesn't require benefit of hindsight.

The moment he realized that he was only playing to get personal landmarks is the moment he should have called it quits. India had enough batting talent to replace him.
 
The moment he realized that he was only playing to get personal landmarks is the moment he should have called it quits. India had enough batting talent to replace him.

No one knows when he realized it. I was asking for your opinion based on all the test series I listed above.

I have often seen PPers quoting random number of tests, but I don't think that he overstayed by more than 10-12 tests when I look at series breakdown.
 
No one knows when he realized it. I was asking for your opinion based on all the test series I listed above.

I have often seen PPers quoting random number of tests, but I don't think that he overstayed by more than 10-12 tests when I look at series breakdown.

The player himself does. It's useless what you and I think, even the selectors and captain has zero say when it's a player like Sachin, who is worshipped by his over-enthusiastic fans. It's up to the player to value the team's success over his personal records and not doing so is quite selfish.
 
From breaking SRT's record to whether he will still be playing after end of Ashes.... What a transformation!
 
From breaking SRT's record to whether he will still be playing after end of Ashes.... What a transformation!

Its tough to maintain form over a long period of time...

Who can cross Sachin's tally?

Smith? How many does he need?

Does Babar have a chance? Unfortunately he will wont get to play enough test matches loooking at the current FTP
 
Its tough to maintain form over a long period of time...

Who can cross Sachin's tally?

Smith? How many does he need?

Does Babar have a chance? Unfortunately he will wont get to play enough test matches loooking at the current FTP
Neither, Smith will have to play at a similar level for another 8~10 years, that alongwith an eventual dip in form (unless he's the Don reincarnate) & less tests starting 2019.

Babar isn't even in the equation, now Root ~ he doesn't have the stomach for a long & hard grind.
 
Does Babar have a chance? Unfortunately he will wont get to play enough test matches loooking at the current FTP

Babar averages 24 in tests and doesn't have a total of 500 runs till now.

Sacin averages 54 and has 15000+ runs.

Not getting enough matches is the least of Babar's problems.
 
From breaking SRT's record to whether he will still be playing after end of Ashes.... What a transformation!

People do go overboard and think anyone can break sachins record when they are going through a purple patch. But the fact is you have to be consistent across both formats to break records like these. When you are out of form and only play tests it becomes difficult to make a comeback.
 
To break sachin's record one must be world class at the age of 16-17 and at 38 too.
Most greats start at 22 or finish before 35.
England playing insane amount of tests gave cook unfair advantage to play 150 tests in just 11 years.

Otherwise only a ATG prodigy with supreme hard work/dedication deserves to break his record.
 
To break sachin's record one must be world class at the age of 16-17 and at 38 too.
Most greats start at 22 or finish before 35.
England playing insane amount of tests gave cook unfair advantage to play 150 tests in just 11 years.

Otherwise only a ATG prodigy with supreme hard work/dedication deserves to break his record.

Give any great batsman 200 tests and he'd break Sachin's record. It's not like Sachin was scoring more runs per innings than anyone else in history. Most players get bored after a hundred and some tests and lose the hunger.
 
Give any great batsman 200 tests and he'd break Sachin's record. It's not like Sachin was scoring more runs per innings than anyone else in history. Most players get bored after a hundred and some tests and lose the hunger.

Exactly insatiable hunger for runs and longevity too are prime qualities of an ATG batsman.
Nobody is prevented from playing 200 tests barring he should be good enough for that long.

To break sachin record one needs to run a marathon at bolt's speed.
 
It seems difficult for Cook now. His career seems to be on the line after yet another Ashes failure.
 
Forget breaking the record, will he last past this tour? At this rate, the 2018 English summer could be his last.
 
Never rated Cook. He has benefited the most from playing in a batting friendly era against not many great bowlers, and playing a huge number of games.
 
Breaking Test runs as well as OD runs of Tendulkar will be improbable , its very remote that someone would be able to do that.
 
Give any great batsman 200 tests and he'd break Sachin's record. It's not like Sachin was scoring more runs per innings than anyone else in history. Most players get bored after a hundred and some tests and lose the hunger.
No.

Most batsmen were found out by bowlers and never recovered. Sachin used to come up with his own remedy after getting out or getting restricted.
 
Give any great batsman 200 tests and he'd break Sachin's record. It's not like Sachin was scoring more runs per innings than anyone else in history. Most players get bored after a hundred and some tests and lose the hunger.

For that one has to be of such standard, so no one including respective boards/selectors can argue against one playing that long. People only see the numbers and then talk about who will break it, that also shows one's knowledge about cricket because they do not have ability to take into consideration about other facts such as hunger to score, desire to survive that long, continue to score for years and years and much more......
 
Cook silencing his critics and doubters!! So far well played Cooky. A true great of English Cricket!!!
 
After the series is lost?

So runs in the 4th and 5th tests don't matter?

I thought the argument on this thread was that Cook can't score now. I didn't know that runs scored after the series is lost are meaningless.
 
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