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Can Alastair Cook break Sachin Tendulkar's record for most Test runs?

shariqnoor said:
So runs in the 4th and 5th tests don't matter?

I thought the argument on this thread was that Cook can't score now. I didn't know that runs scored after the series is lost are meaningless.
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Runs scored when the series is alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runs scored after the series is lost.
 
Hitman said:
Runs scored when the series is alive >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Runs scored after the series is lost.
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Thank you for stating the obvious!!
 
And while we're at it, let's remove all the Sachin runs that he scored from his tally after India had lost the series. :P
 
shariqnoor said:
And while we're at it, let's remove all the Sachin runs that he scored from his tally after India had lost the series. :P
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Sure. Kindly let us know of those innings. The onus is on you to name them since you made the claim.
 
Sachin Tendulkar's record is that he has scored the maximum number of runs in tests. That is the record the OP was looking to beat when creating this thread.

If people want to discuss 4th innings tally or run scored in team wins or losses, or runs scored during solar eclipse, make another thread and discuss it there. :trump

Stick to the topic. Will Cook be able to overtake that record?
 
shariqnoor said:
And you still don't understand the preposterousness of my statement!!!
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I do. But I simply don't rate any innings played after a series is lost. Particularly by a batsman who couldn't do anything significant while the series was alive.
 
Oligochaetes said:
Sachin Tendulkar's record is that he has scored the maximum number of runs in tests. That is the record the OP was looking to beat when creating this thread.

If people want to discuss 4th innings tally or run scored in team wins or losses, or runs scored during solar eclipse, make another thread and discuss it there. :trump

Stick to the topic. Will Cook be able to overtake that record?
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Exactly my point. And yes I think he will barring any injury!!!
 
5th century in Australia and now has a century on all Australian Ashes' ground
 
A Test ton on each major Australian Test ground is a nice record to have. Just heard that one on the commentary. Not many players from inside or outside Australia can boast that one.
 
Hitman said:
I do. But I simply don't rate any innings played after a series is lost. Particularly by a batsman who couldn't do anything significant while the series was alive.
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He was going through a slump in form this whole year. Why single out his first 3 Ashes performance? Every batsman in the world goes through a slump. No big deal. Its how he comes out of it that defines a player. And he has done it previously as well. In 2014 he averaged about 32. Came back and averaged 55 or so the following year. Who's to say 2018 will not be a bumper year for him?
 
shariqnoor said:
He was going through a slump in form this whole year. Why single out his first 3 Ashes performance? Every batsman in the world goes through a slump. No big deal. Its how he comes out of it that defines a player. And he has done it previously as well. In 2014 he averaged about 32. Came back and averaged 55 or so the following year. Who's to say 2018 will not be a bumper year for him?
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When did I dismiss that or anything else in your post? I'm speaking about his performance in the ongoing series.
 
Good knock, but in a low pressure dead rubber against a depleted Aus attack.

Still not convinced he can surpass SRT, but its nice to see him back among runs.
 
I wonder why the whole cricketing fraternity rates Tendulkar's 114 at Perth in 1992 so highly. India were already down 3-0 in the series. Absolutely useless innings and useless runs for India and himself. :P
 
shariqnoor said:
I wonder why the whole cricketing fraternity rates Tendulkar's 114 at Perth in 1992 so highly. India were already down 3-0 in the series. Absolutely useless innings and useless runs for India and himself. :P
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Because he didn't go missing in the previous matches when the series was alive. Her scored 148 in Sydney in the same series.
 
So now runs after the series is lost matters if only you have scored when the series was alive?? Laughable. Runs are runs whenever they are scored and against any team. We are not discussing who the better player here is. If we were discussing that, then a case can be made of the significance of the runs. Not now. You're bringing this discussion in a wrong thread. Also you're making it seem like Cook always scores when the series is lost.
 
Hitman said:
Because he didn't go missing in the previous matches when the series was alive. Her scored 148 in Sydney in the same series.
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You cant discount this hundred. A hundred is still a hundred no matter when, where and against whom its scored.

Obviously, Cookie won't reach the heights of Sachin, but that doesn't mean he has not been a great servant for England and cricket in his own right.
 
Why is the discussion about how valuable Cook's runs are?

It doesn't matter if he scores against Zimbabwe or if he scores on the flattest pitch in history.

This thread is simply about a statistic. Why do people keep treating it like a Sachin vs Cook comparison? :danish

Don't worry [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] everyone knows Sachin is better. :srini

But there is a chance Cook will overtake him! Statistically...
 
Abdullah719 said:
Why is the discussion about how valuable Cook's runs are?

It doesn't matter if he scores against Zimbabwe or if he scores on the flattest pitch in history.

This thread is simply about a statistic. Why do people keep treating it like a Sachin vs Cook comparison? :danish

Don't worry [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] everyone knows Sachin is better. :srini

But there is a chance Cook will overtake him! Statistically...
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Sachins entire legacy is mainly based on being the leading run scorer, it's the fundamental argument which his fans use to advocate his greatness. If he's overtaken then it doesn't matter what people say, Alastair Cook will go down as the superior batsman based on his superior numbers although I expect him to retire long before he gets close to that record anyway.
 
I have no problem with Hitman questioning the significance of the hundred if he wants to make this a discussion about Cook vs Tendulkar. However this is not the thread where the significance of the hundred needs to be questioned. Its as simple as that.
 
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shariqnoor said:
I have no problem with Hitman questioning the significance of the hundred if he wants to make this a discussion about Cook vs Tendulkar. However this is not the thread where the significance of the hundred needs to be questioned. Its as simple as that.
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It does count, special knock under immense pressure; it's about pride, honour, queen and country [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] ; Indians will never know this because they have never been the most patriotic bunch to be fair. Also given how out of form he has been even more special, Cook has always been one of the strongest cricketer's mentally; I recall him being on the verge of getting the boot after being humiliated repeatedly by Asif and Aamir in 2010 then he bounced back with a special knock at the Oval which saved his career. He's a fighter and that should be respected, just because the series is lost it doesn't mean that England just show up with their pants down for the remaining Tests, it would be a very Indian thing to do.
 
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He’s on course to break it but with still just over 4k runs required, it is unlikely. This is most probably because he will stop playing by then. Unlike some countries, English players generally don’t play on just to break records or the English system doesn’t allow it if they’re no longer performing.
 
Very good knock on a dead rubber. However, people should not take too much of this into consideration and get ahead of themselves by bringing SRT here.

Cook isn't even in top5 test batsmen from his era at first place. So, he is nothing more than just England great.
 
shaz619 said:
Sachins entire legacy is mainly based on being the leading run scorer, it's the fundamental argument which his fans use to advocate his greatness.
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Tendulkar was a bonafide ATG just half way thru his career . I get it that it is difficult for Pakistanis to come to terms with it but tell me something new :) also I dont think most fans claim that his greatness is due to volume of runs.
 
Tusker said:
Tendulkar was a bonafide ATG just half way thru his career . I get it that it is difficult for Pakistanis to come to terms with it but tell me something new :) also I dont think most fans claim that his greatness is due to volume of runs.
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He was rated by WISDEN as the 2nd greatest Test and ODI batsman way back in 2002 when he didn't have any records under his belt. He was also rated as the 7th greatest cricketer of all time (ahead of Imran Khan) by ESPN Legends of Cricket way back in 2001, just halfway through his career. I wonder why, since he didn't have any records under his belt back then. Oh, wait .... I know the reason. It was because of BCCI arm twisting :P
 
Tendulkar hasnt created an unbreakable record. One day it will be broken.

Now Muralitharan's 800 on the other hand is a much bigger and tougher target, and with number of test matches set to diminish in the coming years, Murali's record will never be broken.

NEVER!!!!! :95:
 
Tusker said:
Tendulkar was a bonafide ATG just half way thru his career . I get it that it is difficult for Pakistanis to come to terms with it but tell me something new :) also I dont think most fans claim that his greatness is due to volume of runs.
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Yeah yeah we get it he's the goat based on his superior numbers which 99% of you claim, tell me something new ya broken records :)) still trying to feel better about the CT wedgie we gave you in the final :yk2
 
Indians backtracking on statistic oriented logic because they are sweating about their most famous one being broken :broad
 
Cook needs to play another 60 Tests at a very good average of 50 to come close to Sachin's record.

I think Cook will retire with around 13k runs.
 
troodon said:
Cook needs to play another 60 Tests at a very good average of 50 to come close to Sachin's record.

I think Cook will retire with around 13k runs.
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Exactly. Its not easy as people think it is. He needs another 4000 runs. At his average of 45, that will take about 90 innings, which is about 50 tests. England will play 50 tests in about 4 years, so he will need to perform at a pretty high level for another 4 years. If he performs at that level for another 50 tests, then he surely deserves the records.

But, in the last 2 years, he averages about 40. Its not going to get easy for him. He will score a century like he scored today, every 4-5 games. But it won't be enough to get him to Sachin's records.

People need to realise the consistency it requires to reach Sachin's record. Any player who crosses it, will thoroughly deserve that record.
 
shaz619 said:
It does count, special knock under immense pressure; it's about pride, honour, queen and country [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] ; Indians will never know this because they have never been the most patriotic bunch to be fair. Also given how out of form he has been even more special, Cook has always been one of the strongest cricketer's mentally; I recall him being on the verge of getting the boot after being humiliated repeatedly by Asif and Aamir in 2010 then he bounced back with a special knock at the Oval which saved his career. He's a fighter and that should be respected, just because the series is lost it doesn't mean that England just show up with their pants down for the remaining Tests, it would be a very Indian thing to do.
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What happened to Mr. Mentally Strong in first three tests???
 
Good hundred by Cook but again he is not under any pressure. England have already lost the Ashes, so they don't have anything to lose. I would have been more impressed if this knock had come at Brisbane, Adelaide or Perth. This is a career saving hundred by Cook. If he had failed in the last 2 tests, he surely would have been one of the people to take the fall for the Ashes loss.
 
It is a very good knock as it may be a dead rubber for England but it is not a dead rubber for him as he needs to score runs to prove critics wrong. He will have to play well over the next few years to beat SRT's record and keep his place but it is possible.
 
With flat pitch coming in all over the world and degrade of bowling quality, it is evident that sooner or Tendulkars record will be broken. If cook cannot do it, someone else will.

That's not a big deal in my opinion.
 
Just one good knock and ppers started yelling. Cook will never be able to surpass srt 's record of most runs. Its simple and clear, he doesn't look like a guy who still has it in him to make 4000 more runs. He will end up near 13500 to 14500 runs.
 
shaz619 said:
It does count, special knock under immense pressure; it's about pride, honour, queen and country [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] ;
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Lolwut? It's a personal accomplishment of considerable magnitude no doubt, but the series is already done and dusted.

shaz619 said:
Indians will never know this because they have never been the most patriotic bunch to be fair. ..........
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Why talk of things of which you know little to nothing?
 
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Some of the Indian PPers are sweating a bit I think!
 
James said:
Some of the Indian PPers are sweating a bit I think!
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Cook averages 46, was never an ODI player and has too many holes in his graph.

The only aspect where Cook shades Tendulkar is in captaincy.
 
Excellent inning even though it was dead rubber and pitch was a bit slow...<B>He elevates himself now to the Smith- Hayden-Younis level.</B>
 
About 4000 runs to get.
Be real he will never reach that.

This innings means his place is safe for the next year. Also Eng doesnt really have better openers.
 
Gratulations homie. Just gotta keep pushing harder and the only way from here is up.
 
Alastair Cook went from 9th highest run-scorer in Tests to 6th in 24 hours, passing Mahela Jayawardene, Shivnarine Chanderpaul and Brian Lara.

Source TNS Twitter
 
Needs another 1,423 Test runs to finish second to Tendulkar on the run scoring chart at least. That seems like a realistic target to me and would be a great effort.
 
Cook's 244* has been a phenomenal effort. This knock has also sealed his place in the side for another year atleast
 
pakistani pride said:
About 4000 runs to get.
Be real he will never reach that.

This innings means his place is safe for the next year. Also Eng doesnt really have better openers.
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So he's averaging 45ish right now.

He'll need 88,88 innings x 45 runs/innings = 4000 runs .

That's 44ish test matches.

It all boils down to his form, competition from other English openers and ECB's will to persist with an old opener.

I think he'll end up as the second, SRT was scoring since he was 16 years old. Cook started his test career way later.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So he's averaging 45ish right now.


He'll need 88,88 innings x 45 runs/innings = 4000 runs .

That's 44ish test matches.

It all boils down to his form, competition from other English openers and ECB's will to persist with an old opener.

I think he'll end up as the second, SRT was scoring since he was 16 years old. Cook started his test career way later.
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SRT played a lot less test matches per year. He palyed only 69 tests in entire 90's. From 1989 to 2004 i.e. 16 years sachin played 120 tests averaging 57+. In comparision Cook has played 151 tests in 12 years.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
So he's averaging 45ish right now.

He'll need 88,88 innings x 45 runs/innings = 4000 runs .

That's 44ish test matches.

It all boils down to his form, competition from other English openers and ECB's will to persist with an old opener.

I think he'll end up as the second, SRT was scoring since he was 16 years old. Cook started his test career way later.
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As I stated earlier in the thread, he will keep scoring one off brilliant hundreds like this innings, but will lack consistent performances. Will average slightly lower than his current 45 (still between 40 and 45 though ), so it will take him about 50-55 tests to get there. But his lack of consistent performances would mean that he would not have an impact on a series, especially at home. So he will retire after 2-3 years.
 
I don't know based on what it has been already decided that Cook is over and done. His record over the years has been very good and even this year he had scored a double hundred against West Indies.

The two things that can stop him from closing in on Tendulkar's runs is that Cook loses his hunger for cricket or that he ends up with a long-term injury. It is possible that he retires in a couple of years (not due to lack of form but simply due to fatigue) as English players hardly play till 38 or 39. But he is a world class player who has only turned 33. Younis Khan became a beast of a player just after he turned 33 years of age. In fact Younis scored 17 hundreds after he turned 33. Cooky will have some lean patches for sure but he is such a good player mentally that he will always come out on top. Just needs to play for 5 more years.
 
He will retire only after breaking Sachin record no suspense over this but he will not be able to perform for England that is for sure
 
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Cook eyeing the record :srt
 
shariqnoor said:
Younis Khan became a beast of a player just after he turned 33 years of age. In fact Younis scored 17 hundreds after he turned 33. Cooky will have some lean patches for sure but he is such a good player mentally that he will always come out on top. Just needs to play for 5 more years.
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Good points and did Misbah not really get going in his test career when he was about 36? Cook only needs to look at the two Pakistani stalwarts for some inspiration. :yk3:salute
 
It's okay parosis, SRT is far superior to Cook and will always remain so. Do not understand how Imran and SRT being the greatest Wisden player has any effect on the fact that Cook is closing in on that runs tally record. Personally don't think he will make it, English are by no means selfish. He will retire probably as second highest run scorer.
 
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Railu Katta said:
If he plays 200 test matches like tendulkar then he will go well beyond him.
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Assuming Cook will continue to average close to 50 in the next 50 Tests. Very hard to do.

Cook always feats whenever the bowling attacks are loaded with trundlers. He owned Indian trundlers on many occasions.
 
Opening in England is a hard task. Cook's ave of 46 is as good as 50 for any MO player. He has runs the world over. He is a world class opener. He may or may not go past Sachin but he is a great player in any case. He is the best opener since Greame Smith and one of the modern greats.

In fact in picking a side from 1990 onwards (as most of you guys are too young to have seen cricket before that) Cook would be a very good contender. Smith opens for sure and the 2nd spot is between Cook and Hayden.
 
Haz95 said:
It's okay parosis, SRT is far superior to Cook and will always remain so. Do not understand how Imran and SRT being the greatest Wisden player has any effect on the fact that Cook is closing in on that runs tally record. Personally don't think he will make it, English are by no means selfish. He will retire probably as second highest run scorer.
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I think Berry's rating of Viv #1 and Imran #2 over the past 40 years is most accurate.
 
bujhee kom said:
I think Berry's rating of Viv #1 and Imran #2 over the past 40 years is most accurate.
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Yeah because the entire Cricket World unanimously appointed Berry as the sole arbitrator when it comes to cricket rankings .... makes sense ... NOT !!
 
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Tusker said:
Yeah because the entire Cricket World unanimously appointed Berry as the single arbitrator when it comes to cricket rankings .... makes sense ... NOT !!
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To be sure those two are always rated highly and Berry is a respected cricket expert.

On the issue, if Cookie goes past Sachin it will mean a lot as Sachin has only this major record in so far as Tests go (plus most tons which is obviously a function of most runs & most games). Batting in the MO in India is much easier than opening in England. That much everyone can agree on.
 
bujhee kom said:
To be sure those two are always rated highly and Berry is a respected cricket expert.
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With due respect I dont need to use experts as crutches to figure out who is a better player between the three. Why? Because none of these so-called experts are amenable to providing answers to very difficult questions besides I know my cricket and I will give you proper Technical, Statistical and contextual explanations to back my views. Rest assured you will quietly walk away from the debate.

On the issue, if Cookie goes past Sachin it will mean a lot as Sachin has only this major record in so far as Tests go (plus most tons which is obviously a function of most runs & most games).
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Most 50s and most 150s , Most Away runs and hundreds belong to Tendulkar. Tendulkar is one of those once in a lifetime players whom you can say that the record has a better value if he owns it. Like Harsha once responded to some peurile punk who wanted to take cheap shots at Tendulkar missing out on scoring a 100 at Lords. Harsha's epic response was who's loss is it then ?

Batting in the MO in India is much easier than opening in England. That much everyone can agree on.
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You think Tendulkar only made runs in India ? He actually made more runs outside India than in India. And with due respect 2nd Inngs batting in India is much harder.

And please dont try to pretend that ODIs are all BullSh!t ....
 
Tusker said:
With due respect I dont need to use experts as crutches to figure out who is a better player between the three. Why? Because none of these so-called experts are amenable to providing answers to very difficult questions besides I know my cricket and I will give you proper Technical, Statistical and contextual explanations to back my views. Rest assured you will quietly walk away from the debate.



Most 50s and most 150s , Most Away runs and hundreds belong to Tendulkar. Tendulkar is one of those once in a lifetime players whom you can say that the record has a better value if he owns it. Like Harsha once responded to some peurile punk who wanted to take cheap shots at Tendulkar missing out on scoring a 100 at Lords. Harsha's epic response was who's loss is it then ?



You think Tendulkar only made runs in India ? He actually made more runs outside India than in India. And with due respect 2nd Inngs batting in India is much harder.

And please dont try to pretend that ODIs are all BullSh!t ....
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As AC doesn't play ODI's, this was an obviously test specific debate. Why people conflate formats I'll never know.
 
bujhee kom said:
As AC doesn't play ODI's, this was an obviously test specific debate. Why people conflate formats I'll never know.
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that was more to do with your : "Tendulkar has only few records ...." comment.

Anyhow the only reason Cook is in contention for Tendulkars run tally is because he gets a nice time off every year when Eng play ODIs. When you consider the burden of Workload Cook has pretty much gotten a handicap advantage.
 
ODIs are ODIs and I do not see any rationale in conflating analysis of formats. This is about the 5 day game.
 
Tusker said:
that was more to do with your : "Tendulkar has only few records ...." comment.

Anyhow the only reason Cook is in contention for Tendulkars run tally is because he gets a nice time off every year when Eng play ODIs. When you consider the burden of Workload Cook has pretty much gotten a handicap advantage.
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When you consider the increase in county cricket since he stopped playing LOIs Cook probably has a very similar workload in terms of matchdays (and probably more overs on the pitch) to the majority of England's all format players.
 
He can. Records are meant to be broken. Not like Sachin will lose all the runs he made. If Cook achieves it good for him. Having a long career itself is an achievement.
 
Tendulkar missed out so many Tests in the 90s when he was at his peak. One day craze engulfed the cricketing world. Until Australia started scoring 400 runs in a day in tests in the 2000s Test cricket had lost its charm for a while. Sachin either had to play rubbish team or hardly played any game.
 
HitWicket said:
When you consider the increase in county cricket since he stopped playing LOIs Cook probably has a very similar workload in terms of matchdays (and probably more overs on the pitch) to the majority of England's all format players.
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If the intensity, standards and importance of County cricket was even remotely close to ODI cricket it wouldn't be languishing where it is right now with generally a Old man and his dog witnessing action. Sorry but there is absolutely no comparison at all. And just for sh!ts and giggles Tendulkar played a ton of T20 Cricket.
 
bujhee kom said:
ODIs are ODIs and I do not see any rationale in conflating analysis of formats. This is about the 5 day game.
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Neither do I see the rationale in pretending that playing only ODIs does not offer advantage for Cook.
 
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