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Asia Cup is scheduled to be played next year in India but why can't ACC schedule it in England given the fact that the world cup is to be played their a year latter. All the asian sides can have some valuable experience in the English conditions.

Given the fact that Asian teams won't find it hard to attract huge crowds in England and the entire tournament can be played in one ground for example in Birmingham (edgbaston) and even for non-india games we can have good crowds which is hardly a possibility if the Tournament is played in India
 
Who cares about Asia Cup. It has no prestige. ICC tournaments matter only.
 
I don't think it should be played in India

Either Bangladesh or Sri Lanka would be adequate venues
 
ECB will never allow a high profile tournament to clash with its own domestic and home international season.
 
I can see the logic but I don't think Pakistan will mind to match- they play 5 ODIs in England right before the WC.
 
SL should host the Asia Cup. India has already hosted many events in the recent past, BD had the last 2 Asia Cups so no to them, Pakistan can't:( So I think SL should.
 
Good idea but ECB won't let it clash with England home season. It's been in Bangladesh a lot recently, SL always has rain, Pakistan + Afghanistan are not safe and it will be difficult for Pakistan to go to India because of political tensions etc. Maybe UAE could host it
 
aloo paratha said:
SL should host the Asia Cup. India has already hosted many events in the recent past, BD had the last 2 Asia Cups so no to them, Pakistan can't:( So I think SL should.
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Can you name the many events after 2011 WC which even SL co-hosted
 
Arham_PakFan said:
If India will host it,will all games be at one venue or will there be multiple host cities?
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Any tournament that is hosted in India includes multiple venues.

That must is do obvious. India has such huge landscape and diversity that every match seems to be held in a different country.

Organise one match in North, one in West, one in South and one in East which resembles like a world in it's own.
 
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It's Asia Cup. Why would you want to hold it outside Asia. If I was in charge I would hold the tournament in a neutral venue like UAE where we can get full house in almost every game. I don't know why the Asian Cricket Council refrain from holding it there
 
The best place for Asia Cup (if it's outside the home of any of the participants) in CANADA, more specifically GTA.

More or less, now the population of GTA (Or other way, within 1 hour driving distance from ON 401 & ON 404 interchange) is around 10 million - at least 15% of that is south Asian origin up to 2nd generation, probably even higher because many, many IND/PAK/BD Sikh, Christian & Hindu community are registered with their Canadian passport. These people are still cricket followers & there is a good number of Caribbean people - their 50+ citizen are still cricket mad.

Canada gives another cricket season for South Asian teams between June to September, whose domestic cricket season from OCT to MAY is extremely busy. Weather is absolutely gorgeous for cricket, timing as well - if they start the matches at 9 AM (between 6-7PM in South Asia) - better, if it's a D/N start from 5PM (basically 1st innings in day light), which is a 3-4 AM start in South Asia.

IND-PAK-BD-SRL-AFG - 5 teams for round robin league & then SF (1 v 4, 2 v 3), followed by Final & 3rd/4th play-off - in total 14 matches in 17 days (Friday start, 2 weeks later 3rd/4th play off on Saturday & Final on Sunday) - each & every match'll be sold out (in Canadian $, even 10-12K stadium is more than enough to match the gate of Eden or Gaddafi) + the Tv money.

If it's T20, then even better for timing - they can start at 7PM & finish by 10PM, which is like early morning start & finish before office in South Asia.
 
Let's just go n give it to the Indians in there own back yard.
Will be a great step in the development of our team for 2019 in terms of dealing with big crowds n pressure
 
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Pakistan touring India. Should be a lot of fun.

Hope Pakistan and India make the final.
 
I personally think the Asia cup needs to be held in UAE. We need a couple of tournaments there every now and then. It's a neutral venue, has a huge target audience, a lot of sponsors and all the recreation options international cricketers need. Even the fans travelling from Pakistan and other countries can have a good time.

Having almost every other tournament in India is a serious problem for Pakistani fans, not because of jealousy or hate but because it's nearly impossible to travel there to watch a game despite being so close. Only if we had better relations..
 
ExpressPacer said:
I personally think the Asia cup needs to be held in UAE. We need a couple of tournaments there every now and then. It's a neutral venue, has a huge target audience, a lot of sponsors and all the recreation options international cricketers need. Even the fans travelling from Pakistan and other countries can have a good time.

Having almost every other tournament in India is a serious problem for Pakistani fans, not because of jealousy or hate but because it's nearly impossible to travel there to watch a game despite being so close. Only if we had better relations..
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UAE is a very boring venue to host Cricket, pathetic pitches also.
 
MMHS said:
The best place for Asia Cup (if it's outside the home of any of the participants) in CANADA, more specifically GTA.

More or less, now the population of GTA (Or other way, within 1 hour driving distance from ON 401 & ON 404 interchange) is around 10 million - at least 15% of that is south Asian origin up to 2nd generation, probably even higher because many, many IND/PAK/BD Sikh, Christian & Hindu community are registered with their Canadian passport. These people are still cricket followers & there is a good number of Caribbean people - their 50+ citizen are still cricket mad.

Canada gives another cricket season for South Asian teams between June to September, whose domestic cricket season from OCT to MAY is extremely busy. Weather is absolutely gorgeous for cricket, timing as well - if they start the matches at 9 AM (between 6-7PM in South Asia) - better, if it's a D/N start from 5PM (basically 1st innings in day light), which is a 3-4 AM start in South Asia.

IND-PAK-BD-SRL-AFG - 5 teams for round robin league & then SF (1 v 4, 2 v 3), followed by Final & 3rd/4th play-off - in total 14 matches in 17 days (Friday start, 2 weeks later 3rd/4th play off on Saturday & Final on Sunday) - each & every match'll be sold out (in Canadian $, even 10-12K stadium is more than enough to match the gate of Eden or Gaddafi) + the Tv money.

If it's T20, then even better for timing - they can start at 7PM & finish by 10PM, which is like early morning start & finish before office in South Asia.
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I disagree. While there is a huge South Asian population, I know for a fact that most aren't cricket crazy. Most of the 2nd generation expats don't even know about cricket. You would probably get a couple of good audiences for Indo-Pak games or maybe India vs Bangladesh but do you seriously expect fans to turn up to watch Afghanistan-Ban or Sri Lanka vs Ban in HUGE numbers. Having the tournament in the UK (if you have to have it outside of Asia) will probably result in a lot more people coming in to watch games.

Apart from that, I personally don't think the fast paced life of Canada and the US allows for people to spend hours watching a bunch of men hit a ball. Maybe they'd turn up for T20i's but I seriously don't expect a couple of packed stands, let alone full house stadiums for ODIs. It would be the same for England had they not have such a long cricketing history.

Also you need to take into consideration that travelling to Canada to watch a game of cricket from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh is extremely expensive compared to the UK, which is not exactly feasible itself. The cold weather where you're house bound for most part of the year isn't ideal either.
 
czar said:
UAE is a very boring venue to host Cricket, pathetic pitches also.
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Clearly you started watching cricket just recently. Sharjah cup's and other tournaments of the last played in the UAE offered some of the best cricket you'd ever get to see. The only reason you consider it boring is because Pakistan have offered poor standards of cricket there. Otherwise, UAE is as good as anywhere in the world.
 
MMHS said:
The best place for Asia Cup (if it's outside the home of any of the participants) in CANADA, more specifically GTA.

More or less, now the population of GTA (Or other way, within 1 hour driving distance from ON 401 & ON 404 interchange) is around 10 million - at least 15% of that is south Asian origin up to 2nd generation, probably even higher because many, many IND/PAK/BD Sikh, Christian & Hindu community are registered with their Canadian passport. These people are still cricket followers & there is a good number of Caribbean people - their 50+ citizen are still cricket mad.

Canada gives another cricket season for South Asian teams between June to September, whose domestic cricket season from OCT to MAY is extremely busy. Weather is absolutely gorgeous for cricket, timing as well - if they start the matches at 9 AM (between 6-7PM in South Asia) - better, if it's a D/N start from 5PM (basically 1st innings in day light), which is a 3-4 AM start in South Asia.

IND-PAK-BD-SRL-AFG - 5 teams for round robin league & then SF (1 v 4, 2 v 3), followed by Final & 3rd/4th play-off - in total 14 matches in 17 days (Friday start, 2 weeks later 3rd/4th play off on Saturday & Final on Sunday) - each & every match'll be sold out (in Canadian $, even 10-12K stadium is more than enough to match the gate of Eden or Gaddafi) + the Tv money.

If it's T20, then even better for timing - they can start at 7PM & finish by 10PM, which is like early morning start & finish before office in South Asia.
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:) Would go to at least 2-3 games. This wouldn't happen though :(
 
Ya. Let's host ASIA cup in England. While we are at it, let's see if we can host the Ashes in Sri Lanka and Chappel-Hadlee trophy in Bangladesh.
 
MMHS said:
The best place for Asia Cup (if it's outside the home of any of the participants) in CANADA, more specifically GTA.

More or less, now the population of GTA (Or other way, within 1 hour driving distance from ON 401 & ON 404 interchange) is around 10 million - at least 15% of that is south Asian origin up to 2nd generation, probably even higher because many, many IND/PAK/BD Sikh, Christian & Hindu community are registered with their Canadian passport. These people are still cricket followers & there is a good number of Caribbean people - their 50+ citizen are still cricket mad.

Canada gives another cricket season for South Asian teams between June to September, whose domestic cricket season from OCT to MAY is extremely busy. Weather is absolutely gorgeous for cricket, timing as well - if they start the matches at 9 AM (between 6-7PM in South Asia) - better, if it's a D/N start from 5PM (basically 1st innings in day light), which is a 3-4 AM start in South Asia.

IND-PAK-BD-SRL-AFG - 5 teams for round robin league & then SF (1 v 4, 2 v 3), followed by Final & 3rd/4th play-off - in total 14 matches in 17 days (Friday start, 2 weeks later 3rd/4th play off on Saturday & Final on Sunday) - each & every match'll be sold out (in Canadian $, even 10-12K stadium is more than enough to match the gate of Eden or Gaddafi) + the Tv money.

If it's T20, then even better for timing - they can start at 7PM & finish by 10PM, which is like early morning start & finish before office in South Asia.
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Came here to suggest this as well lol,

People are cricket crazy in Toronto and even Mississauga. Have never seen as many league cricket teams in any other Western place that doesn't play cricket as a full member.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I disagree. While there is a huge South Asian population, I know for a fact that most aren't cricket crazy. Most of the 2nd generation expats don't even know about cricket. You would probably get a couple of good audiences for Indo-Pak games or maybe India vs Bangladesh but do you seriously expect fans to turn up to watch Afghanistan-Ban or Sri Lanka vs Ban in HUGE numbers. Having the tournament in the UK (if you have to have it outside of Asia) will probably result in a lot more people coming in to watch games.

Apart from that, I personally don't think the fast paced life of Canada and the US allows for people to spend hours watching a bunch of men hit a ball. Maybe they'd turn up for T20i's but I seriously don't expect a couple of packed stands, let alone full house stadiums for ODIs. It would be the same for England had they not have such a long cricketing history.

Also you need to take into consideration that travelling to Canada to watch a game of cricket from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh is extremely expensive compared to the UK, which is not exactly feasible itself. The cold weather where you're house bound for most part of the year isn't ideal either.
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I also thought so, when first I landed at Pearson. You have no idea how popular cricket is in Canada!!! Also, to fill a stadium like Rogers' centre (48,000 capacity), you don't need full 2mn South Asian (& other cricket playing nationals) to follow the game - one out of 25 is more than enough - it'll be far, far better than those UAE grounds, which produces more runs than paid spectators.

Sahara Cup was a super hit in mid 90s - since then, South Asian population has at least tripled in 20+ years & now Afghan, Lankan & BD community has their own team to cheer for. What AFG-SRL-BD, even, I feel there'll be more WI crowd in Toronto than Kingston, if their match is played here!!!! You have no idea how many Sri Lankan & Afghans are there in GTA (not to mention other 3 nations which has 1.70bn population in total across planet earth & one of the largest expat base in GTA) and most of them are earning decent enough for spending even $450, for a family pass for the whole tournament (which they'll share among neighbors by respective match day).

Besides, in Canada, full summer (July & August) is Eid - schools are closed, lots of paid vacations - people save money for fun in those 2 months. 8 hours day light means, people easily visit among places 250km away & come back in same day driving. A cricket match in Toronto means, it's basically covering Eastern Canada from Halifax to Ottawa & even some part of US - Toronto -NY/Chicago now is like local bus service, couple of fights in almost every hour & the tickets are quite cheap - and it's not our Asian airport that you need 2 hours for checking out of airport, after 45 minutes of international flight.

If it's marketed properly, the potential are unlimited - TV money is same, on field branding is at least same, if not higher - gate money is at least 100 times more than UAE. Average 10K/match @ $25 (which is damn cheap compared to any such entertainment - a trip in Zoo costs $40/person, just at gate, then $3-7 for every event/ride; parking at downtown is $35/day flat or $10+/hour:() means ~$250,000 match day - 13/14 matches means, over $3mn = 25 crore+ PKR, just at gate. On top of that, I do believe CBC, TSN or Sportsnet will buy Canadian broadcasting rights.

Obviously there is logistical costs, tax ...... but, that's more or less everywhere - probably more in UK & UAE. Toronto is expensive, but that's for accommodating club cricketers - Taj Palace, Marriott or Westin doesn't charge much less at Mumbai or Lahore or Dhaka than Toronto Hilton.
 
aloo paratha said:
:) Would go to at least 2-3 games. This wouldn't happen though :(
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I'll go for every game, as long as I can manage day off.

Not possible in 2018, because of India's summer schedule - but going forward, PCB should definitely look for this avenue. Like it or not, cricket isn't returning in PAK soon - and those UAE wickets are worst for PAK team; it almost took them to missing a tournament that they eventually won in UK - Toronto climate & wickets are probably closest to Oval that one can get outside London.
 
Suleiman said:
Came here to suggest this as well lol,

People are cricket crazy in Toronto and even Mississauga. Have never seen as many league cricket teams in any other Western place that doesn't play cricket as a full member.
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Unless someone stays in GTA for summer, won't believe that it's actually among top most popular summer games & most popular among South Asians. People drive over 100KM to King City or Pickering or Brampton to watch club games!!!!! I am certain that it's more popular than greater Auckland, Singapore, Hongkong or Glasgow here.
 
MMHS said:
Unless someone stays in GTA for summer, won't believe that it's actually among top most popular summer games & most popular among South Asians. People drive over 100KM to King City or Pickering or Brampton to watch club games!!!!! I am certain that it's more popular than greater Auckland, Singapore, Hongkong or Glasgow here.
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If Cricket is really so popular in Canada, especially among the South Asians then why dont the Asian Boards organize Cricket series in the country and tap the potential market?

An Indo Pak series in Canada or a T20 Tournament between India, Pakistan, Bangaldesh and SL?
 
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MMHS said:
I also thought so, when first I landed at Pearson. You have no idea how popular cricket is in Canada!!! Also, to fill a stadium like Rogers' centre (48,000 capacity), you don't need full 2mn South Asian (& other cricket playing nationals) to follow the game - one out of 25 is more than enough - it'll be far, far better than those UAE grounds, which produces more runs than paid spectators.

Sahara Cup was a super hit in mid 90s - since then, South Asian population has at least tripled in 20+ years & now Afghan, Lankan & BD community has their own team to cheer for. What AFG-SRL-BD, even, I feel there'll be more WI crowd in Toronto than Kingston, if their match is played here!!!! You have no idea how many Sri Lankan & Afghans are there in GTA (not to mention other 3 nations which has 1.70bn population in total across planet earth & one of the largest expat base in GTA) and most of them are earning decent enough for spending even $450, for a family pass for the whole tournament (which they'll share among neighbors by respective match day).

Besides, in Canada, full summer (July & August) is Eid - schools are closed, lots of paid vacations - people save money for fun in those 2 months. 8 hours day light means, people easily visit among places 250km away & come back in same day driving. A cricket match in Toronto means, it's basically covering Eastern Canada from Halifax to Ottawa & even some part of US - Toronto -NY/Chicago now is like local bus service, couple of fights in almost every hour & the tickets are quite cheap - and it's not our Asian airport that you need 2 hours for checking out of airport, after 45 minutes of international flight.

If it's marketed properly, the potential are unlimited - TV money is same, on field branding is at least same, if not higher - gate money is at least 100 times more than UAE. Average 10K/match @ $25 (which is damn cheap compared to any such entertainment - a trip in Zoo costs $40/person, just at gate, then $3-7 for every event/ride; parking at downtown is $35/day flat or $10+/hour:() means ~$250,000 match day - 13/14 matches means, over $3mn = 25 crore+ PKR, just at gate. On top of that, I do believe CBC, TSN or Sportsnet will buy Canadian broadcasting rights.

Obviously there is logistical costs, tax ...... but, that's more or less everywhere - probably more in UK & UAE. Toronto is expensive, but that's for accommodating club cricketers - Taj Palace, Marriott or Westin doesn't charge much less at Mumbai or Lahore or Dhaka than Toronto Hilton.
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Those are some very strong and convincing arguments and you're probably right since you know more and live there. I'm happy as long as we can get exciting cricket. Lots of roars and jam packed stadiums.
 
What I see, people have no idea about Canadian weather. It's cold, bitter cold, even south-eastern Ontario, to a level of -35C~38C for two months. It's more or less consistent below zero from Dec to March & in single digit (with chili arctic wind for 2 months either side), BUT some of the best spring/summer days in world are the 4 months from June to September - and I have lived in all 5 continents for both summer & winter. Temperature between 12C-35C, low humidity, crystal clear air & blue sky with very little rain & a nice, cool Atlantic breeze blowing between the mountains & lakes!!!!!!!!! Absolute perfect cricket weather. Add to that, possible 12 hours of playing light from 8AM to 8PM and no dew at night.
 
MMHS said:
Unless someone stays in GTA for summer, won't believe that it's actually among top most popular summer games & most popular among South Asians. People drive over 100KM to King City or Pickering or Brampton to watch club games!!!!! I am certain that it's more popular than greater Auckland, Singapore, Hongkong or Glasgow here.
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Lol funnily enough I only go there during the summers every 2 years and that is very true.

You have some ttfs like Nasir and Kami coming as well from time to time.
 
hafeezrocks said:
If Cricket is really so popular in Canada, especially among the South Asians then why dont the Asian Boards organize Cricket series in the country and tap the potential market?

An Indo Pak series in Canada or a T20 Tournament between India, Pakistan, Bangaldesh and SL?
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Because, among 5 Asian boards, one is monopolizing cricket money at home - taking cricket to Canada means cutting their pie to Canadian Govt. They (their company) did arrange cricket in Canada successfully 20 years back - now, it's not required for them. Among other 4 boards, best 2 are BCB & PCB - whose top executives won't get an entry level job for a global top brand in strategy or marketing on merit & without Govt. backing - otherwise, instead of these threats & boycotts, PAK-BD-SRL could have made tons of money for a WSC like annual triangular in Canada, during which is an off season for them.
 
OP wants it in eng to give advantage to Pak. :D :D

Arrange it in China ,another Asian country.
 
"Asia Cup" outside Asia doesn't sound right, and India is the best place to play cricket in Asia.
 
czar said:
What excuse can Pakistan give to avoid the Asia Cup in India ?
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No need to give any excuses. , its not an icc event and india doesnt play us in non icc events and on top of that its being played in indi
 
It will biggest Asia cup ever should attract lots of crowd and revenue in India.
we will have much improved afghanistan team this time who will be loved by indian crowd.
Bang SL UAE are boring places..only ind pak can bring flair to this tournament and pak can't host so....
 
rudra said:
It will biggest Asia cup ever should attract lots of crowd and revenue in India.
we will have much improved afghanistan team this time who will be loved by indian crowd.
Bang SL UAE are boring places..only ind pak can bring flair to this tournament and pak can't host so....
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Asia Cup should be hosted in Asia, preferably one of the participants hosting the tournament. Having said that, IND is the last place for such multi team tournament, because apart from 4 Indian matches, there'll hardly any local interest. That's more or less same for PAK & SRL as well. That's why, theoretically Canada came to mind, which has a significant critical number of people from all 5 countries.

Not sure why you think BD, SRL or UAE to be boring - on field/off field every element is there to manage your boredom, if you have that in your wallet, unless you try to convince yourself that India/PAK suddenly has shifted 2000 KM east or west geographically. On field, have you checked the number of one sided finish & number of close finish in India & BD in last few years?
 
Why England? It's like asking if the Ashes can be played in India..
 
JibranAnsari said:
No need to give any excuses. , its not an icc event and india doesnt play us in non icc events and on top of that its being played in indi
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Beating India in India would be lot more fun, why miss that opportunity. We did that last time in bi-lateral series. By then Sharjeel will be back. Is that after PSL? - We will have one or two more unknown for India to handle ;-)

Pakistan bowling is more versatile than anybody else, although we don't play IPL, but our bowlers will perform better than anybody else. Couple of young batters, we will be roaring again. Runs on board, we can do good everywhere, even on Mars.

Mental side of Advantage India had in past is neutralize for this generation :) At home they will be under pressure of perform, otherwise public will be on them at ground :srini India would be vary of chasing against us :ashwin:
 
if Im not wrong, Govt of India have barred playing Team India in neutral countries like UAE, and Canada back in 2000s. Im not sure if the ban have lifted or not. So, if ban still exist then we can safely count out of Canada and UAE as alternative. However, I'd love Team India to play here in Toronto, Id defo go for every Indian game. But we all know this aint happening.
 
Pakistan does not have a good record at Asia Cup , I think they have only won , two time .
 
Should happen wherever it suits Pakistan. Other Asian countries have enough of the fun at the expense of Pak.
 
Abdullah said:
Let's just go n give it to the Indians in there own back yard.
Will be a great step in the development of our team for 2019 in terms of dealing with big crowds n pressure
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Unfortunately this is true. Pakistan has clobbered India in ODIs in India for many series, bar the one in 2007. If this tournament is indeed held in India, you know who to back.
 
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