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Can Asif Ali be a better Pakistan's T20I captain than Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan?

Rana said:
Where should we send Babar and Rizwan? MLC in USA?
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They're not going anywhere. They will at least play one format for Pakistan for many years.

Can't say the same for Asif, Akmal, and Sharjeel though.
 
Darkrai said:
They're not going anywhere. They will at least play one format for Pakistan for many years.

Can't say the same for Asif, Akmal, and Sharjeel though.
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They tried to play Canada league

That’s their level. So is Bangla league. They will strike at 120 too in Hong Kong sixes
 
Rana said:
They tried to play Canada league

That’s their level. So is Bangla league. They will strike at 120 too in Hong Kong sixes
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They can play those leagues once they retire. For now, one is the captain of Pakistan while the other is one of the main players.
 
Darkrai said:
They can play those leagues once they retire. For now, one is the captain of Pakistan while the other is one of the main players.
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They will play Major League cricket when they retire?
 
emranabbas said:
With a lineup consisting of:

Asif

Fakhar

Saim

Usman


We only need one of them to get going in the powerplay, and we’re almost guaranteed to set a solid foundation for a win—there’s about a 99% chance of victory. These players have the aggressive mindset and the ability to take on the bowlers early, which can lead to a big total in the first few overs. Their attacking approach puts pressure on the opposition from the get-go, something that can turn the game in our favor quickly.

On the other hand, Babar and Rizwan simply don’t possess that kind of firepower. While they can anchor an innings, they rarely explode in the powerplay. Their cautious approach often leads to slow starts, meaning the team misses out on building pressure early in the game. As much as they contribute to the team, they just don’t have that ability to dominate and change the game in those crucial early moments like Asif, Fakhar, Saim, or Usman can.
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99% is too far you must be on the wind up.
 
emranabbas said:
Because in that PSL was when the change was made.

2011-2016 asif ali opener

PSL 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 asif ali number 7

Can't make it any easier than that

Mentioned them all you understand now?
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Did Asif Ali bat at number 7 during all them seasons in every single game.

I already told you anyone baring Asif Ali he belongs in Sunday league cricket.
 
shamaan said:
Did Asif Ali bat at number 7 during all them seasons in every single game.

I already told you anyone baring Asif Ali he belongs in Sunday league cricket.
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How does he belong in Sunday league but Rizwan and Babar belong at International level with strike rates of 90-100 in ICC competitions as openers???
 
Rana said:
How does he belong in Sunday league but Rizwan and Babar belong at International level with strike rates of 90-100 in ICC competitions as openers???
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Isn't he playing in some Hong Kong competition ?
 
mominsaigol said:
Pollock is a tailender and so is cummins.

However they make rizwan look like a tailender and themselves as proper batters.

They were a certified no 8. Rizwan is a certified no 9
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This is completely false - no one viewed Pollock as a tailender. He was bowling all-rounder. Name a few other tailenders who have scored 7,000+ runs in international cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
This is completely false - no one viewed Pollock as a tailender. He was bowling all-rounder. Name a few other tailenders who have scored 7,000+ runs in international cricket.
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Fair. Don't mind this take.
 
Those unable to post without frothing at the mouth should not post here.

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Ahem Ahem

Rizwan won series as captain in convincing fashion, so no comparison with Asif Ali.

Rather Asif Ali hopes as captain Khatam shud
 
mominsaigol said:
This thread is iconic. From both ends, Rizzu supporters and haters. Closing it would be an injustice towards both ends
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What you cannot close is reality. It can take forever to forget it, but you cannot erase it.

Reality=USA

Reality= strike rates of 90 and 100 as T20i openers in two ICC events

Reality= hiding in the powerplay when your team needs 18 to win in the year 2024 on a flat deck.
 
Kianig89 said:
Ahem Ahem

Rizwan won series as captain in convincing fashion, so no comparison with Asif Ali.

Rather Asif Ali hopes as captain Khatam shud
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Asif Ali nearly won the greatest tournament of Hong Kong sixes. That alone is better than a WC.
 
Asif Ali nearly won Hong Kong sixes tournament a fact. Rip your logic a fact.
 
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khyberlion said:
Asif Ali nearly won Hong Kong sixes tournament a fact. Rip your logic a fact.
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Pakistan losing to Afghanistan in the World Cup without Asif Ali is also a harsh reality.

You can act all giddy today. Eventually, things will resume as per normal.
 
Rana said:
Pakistan losing to Afghanistan in the World Cup without Asif Ali is also a harsh reality.

You can act all giddy today. Eventually, things will resume as per normal.
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Yes looking at Asif Ali in the Hong Kong sixes he would have won us the world cup.
 
Rana said:
What you cannot close is reality. It can take forever to forget it, but you cannot erase it.

Reality=USA

Reality= strike rates of 90 and 100 as T20i openers in two ICC events

Reality= hiding in the powerplay when your team needs 18 to win in the year 2024 on a flat deck.
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The question is, why did the team need 19 runs in the Super Over vs USA? Who was the genius bowler who conceded 18 runs in a Super Over vs USA? Can you please remind me…
 
Rana said:
Asif Ali won the match v Afghanistan in 2021

Did Pakistan win without him in 2023?
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Pakistan lost to Bangladesh in the 2018 Asia Cup with Asif Ali and and beat them without him in 2023. 🤡
 
Rana said:
What you cannot close is reality. It can take forever to forget it, but you cannot erase it.

Reality=USA

Reality= strike rates of 90 and 100 as T20i openers in two ICC events

Reality= hiding in the powerplay when your team needs 18 to win in the year 2024 on a flat deck.
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18-0
 
Its getting painful, somebody has to call it surely otherwise it will linger on till eternity
 
What was this pathetic performance?! How do you have a captain who strikes at 90 in the last 2 T20 world cups as an opener??

When will Pakistan learn to move away from Laanti white ball approach? How can Pakistan appoint a player who promotes a laanti approach as their captain? When will we learn???
 
Asif Ali school of thought Usman Khan also played the game and anyone care to post his performance
 
He should never be there in the team again
 
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I have been disappointed with Asif in recent times but I wouldn't giving him another go at 6 in T20 only. The next T20 world cup is in India so pitches will be very flat, he might be ideal in those conditions.
 
Nabeel23 said:
I have been disappointed with Asif in recent times but I wouldn't giving him another go at 6 in T20 only. The next T20 world cup is in India so pitches will be very flat, he might be ideal in those conditions.
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Why 6? If he plays…just send him to open with 2 fielders outside for 36 balls

Get the most you can out of him!
 
Rana said:
Why 6? If he plays…just send him to open with 2 fielders outside for 36 balls

Get the most you can out of him!
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Agreed!

That is what modern gameplay demands to utilize the powerplay as much as possible but here in Pakistan we try to save our wickets early on as if it's a 50 over match.

we need someone who can do full hara huri in powerplay and Asif Ali is one of them.
 
As I have said many times before Pakistan really need modern day agressive players in LOIs. But behind this there is alot more. You need to be street smart, intelligent (yaini understand your role and also read the opposition's bowler, their field placements etc), have proper hitting technique, right attitude, stamina and most importantly focus on your fitness.

Of course you can throw in Asif Ali and give him the license to attack. He can hit, but he lacks most of the other things I mentioned above. Smart bowlers will just bowl short pitched deliveries to him and he will last a couple of balls and then back to pavilion. Seen that many times. And I can guarantee you that most of the pakistani openers will think they have done their job scoring 45 (34).

If Saim Ayub can work a bit harder on his game awareness he can be very good opener for Pakistan.

A big country like Pakistan with mostly focus on one game only (cricket) it really shouldn't be that difficult to find a couple of good openers possessing mjority of the qualities mentioned before. But then they need to to end the sifarishi culture first.
 
IAJ said:
As I have said many times before Pakistan really need modern day agressive players in LOIs. But behind this there is alot more. You need to be street smart, intelligent (yaini understand your role and also read the opposition's bowler, their field placements etc), have proper hitting technique, right attitude, stamina and most importantly focus on your fitness.

Of course you can throw in Asif Ali and give him the license to attack. He can hit, but he lacks most of the other things I mentioned above. Smart bowlers will just bowl short pitched deliveries to him and he will last a couple of balls and then back to pavilion. Seen that many times. And I can guarantee you that most of the pakistani openers will think they have done their job scoring 45 (34).

If Saim Ayub can work a bit harder on his game awareness he can be very good opener for Pakistan.

A big country like Pakistan with mostly focus on one game only (cricket) it really shouldn't be that difficult to find a couple of good openers possessing mjority of the qualities mentioned before. But then they need to to end the sifarishi culture first.
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Our bigger problem remains lower middle order batting.

Our best players fakhar saim Usman Babar Rizwan are all top order batters.
 
gazza619 said:
42 is greater than 10.
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Regardless, Rizwan has been on a downward trajectory since his 171 against Bangladesh and Babar has been on a downward trajectory since 2022 asia cup.

It's safe to say both are finished. Bas karo yaar. Babar had his purple accumulative patch from 2016-2021. Enjoy his triple centuries of gand attacks and his NZ century.

As for rizzu, He only had 2020-2021 as his purple patch and it's funny cause unlike Babar, Rizwan's purple patch wasn't that good. They were accumulative t20 scores. His greatest moment will be india 2021 game and his 200 score chases with Babar of fraudulent attacks

However they were finished in 2022 and it was evident that they were.

As I said bas karo, Babar is in danger of having his t20 avg drop below 40 now and rizzu will drop his below 45 very soon.

Infact their SR's are in danger of dropping below 125 for Bobby and below 120 for rizwan.
 
mominsaigol said:
Regardless, Rizwan has been on a downward trajectory since his 171 against Bangladesh and Babar has been on a downward trajectory since 2022 asia cup.

It's safe to say both are finished. Bas karo yaar. Babar had his purple accumulative patch from 2016-2021. Enjoy his triple centuries of gand attacks and his NZ century.

As for rizzu, He only had 2020-2021 as his purple patch and it's funny cause unlike Babar, Rizwan's purple patch wasn't that good. They were accumulative t20 scores. His greatest moment will be india 2021 game and his 200 score chases with Babar of fraudulent attacks

However they were finished in 2022 and it was evident that they were.

As I said bas karo, Babar is in danger of having his t20 avg drop below 40 now and rizzu will drop his below 45 very soon.

Infact their SR's are in danger of dropping below 125 for Bobby and below 120 for rizwan.
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This is the first time your anti-RizBar post is slightly balanced.

Our main point of difference on Riz has been that you want to drop Riz at all cost and just play any random keeper at no.7. This does not make any sense. My view point on Riz is that he needs to drop down the batting order. He is still the best keeper in the country by a country mile. His field placements and bowling changes during captaincy has also been a breath of fresh air.

With regards to Babar, he should have never been picked for T20s on Australia tour. He is our best ODI player and still has the skill to make a come back in Test cricket.
 
gazza619 said:
This is the first time your anti-RizBar post is slightly balanced.

Our main point of difference on Riz has been that you want to drop Riz at all cost and just play any random keeper at no.7. This does not make any sense. My view point on Riz is that he needs to drop down the batting order. He is still the best keeper in the country by a country mile. His field placements and bowling changes during captaincy has also been a breath of fresh air.

With regards to Babar, he should have never been picked for T20s on Australia tour. He is our best ODI player and still has the skill to make a come back in Test cricket.
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@mominsaigol a good poster his veiws are normally balanced, just some need to take off their rizbar love heart glasses off
 
gazza619 said:
This is the first time your anti-RizBar post is slightly balanced.

Our main point of difference on Riz has been that you want to drop Riz at all cost and just play any random keeper at no.7. This does not make any sense. My view point on Riz is that he needs to drop down the batting order. He is still the best keeper in the country by a country mile. His field placements and bowling changes during captaincy has also been a breath of fresh air.

With regards to Babar, he should have never been picked for T20s on Australia tour. He is our best ODI player and still has the skill to make a come back in Test cricket.
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Our main point of difference on Riz has been that you want to drop Riz at all cost and just play any random keeper at no.7.

False, i never said all formats. That suggestion was only for tests.

in odi and t20 usman khan is a fine replacement. Usman khan avg 74 in List A but pakistan have not given him time to adjust.

He's played pretty much all his tours overseas and wasn't once given a settled batting position.

In the previous game we got to see glimpses of a what he can be if given a proper rope.
 
mominsaigol said:
Our main point of difference on Riz has been that you want to drop Riz at all cost and just play any random keeper at no.7.

False, i never said all formats. That suggestion was only for tests.

in odi and t20 usman khan is a fine replacement. Usman khan avg 74 in List A but pakistan have not given him time to adjust.

He's played pretty much all his tours overseas and wasn't once given a settled batting position.

In the previous game we got to see glimpses of a what he can be if given a proper rope.
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I think I may have suggested for odi as well but for odi the comparison was more to do with sarfi, haris and other players.

Players like sarfi, garis aren't very good batters so they understand that they should play at 7 in odi. Rizzu blocks numbers at no 4.

That's not the case for usman Khan who's a proper domestic performer and deserves a very long rope in t20 and odi.

Usman Khan is a good batsmen and I've seen what he can do.
 
Babar in T20 world cups

36.60 - Average
111.35 - Strike Rate

Asif Ali in world cups

29.50 - Average
218.51 - Strike Rate


Babar on average is going to score 6 runs more than asif ali but waste so many balls better to get asiif ali in ASAP in the 1st powerplay
 
emranabbas said:
Babar in T20 world cups

36.60 - Average
111.35 - Strike Rate

Asif Ali in world cups

29.50 - Average
218.51 - Strike Rate


Babar on average is going to score 6 runs more than asif ali but waste so many balls better to get asiif ali in ASAP in the 1st powerplay
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They use to say it’s only afghan that he played that special knock against.

Fast forward a few years later, Pakistan supporters watch an in-depth documentary on the Afghans getting Babar & Rizwan to surrender the flag.
 
Asif Ali in action for T10, some serious business it will be let's see how many sixes he can it
 
Asif Ali scored an unbeaten 21 off 12 balls leading his team to victory against Northern Warriors in the Abu Dhabi T10 League.
 
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