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Can Asif Ali be a better Pakistan's T20I captain than Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan?

shamaan said:
First he nerds
Why are you not mentioning the rest of the psl seasons or you going to pick and choose.

I already told you anyone baring Asif Ali.
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If you can't name anyone, just sit back down and come back when you can name someone who can hit sixes and make the most of the power play. rather than wasting it like Babar and rizwan
 
I will be more than happy to bring Asif Ali in the happy but for that he need to score some runs in domestics. Where are his runs??? At least in domestics, he can show his form and then we can all talk about injustice.

He is seen as a power hitter now, there is really no chance he is ever gonna open and that is a fact we all know. IF and buts do not solve anything..

let Asif score heavy runs and he can be back in the team 100%.
 
emranabbas said:
Give me a reason why he shouldn’t open it’s clear he’s been misused number 7.
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There are a million reasons why he shouldn’t be in the team at any position. How about the fact that he is awful.

You don’t walk to about his embarrassing numbers because it is an argument that you cannot win. I can guarantee you that no good batsman will average 15 @ 133 after 50+ innings irrespective of his batting position.

You can spend a whole year and you will not be able to come up with a single solid reason for why Asif Ali has earned the right to be in the T20I team at any position.

Asif Ali is a tried and tested failure. He was not misused, he is not just good enough and his numbers at all level prove it. Accept it and move on.
 
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@emranabbas

Also, don’t waste you energy over something that will never happen. PCB takes dumb decisions but it is not dumb enough to select Asif Ali as opener.
 
Mamoon said:
@emranabbas

Also, don’t waste you energy over something that will never happen. PCB takes dumb decisions but it is not dumb enough to select Asif Ali as opener.
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But it can pick guys like Babar, Rizwan, Haseebullah and Abdullah Shafique as openers in an era where the powerplay is being utilised at strike rates of 160+ by the modern sides?
 
Rana said:
But it can pick guys like Babar, Rizwan, Haseebullah and Abdullah Shafique as openers in an era where the powerplay is being utilised at strike rates of 160+ by the modern sides?
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Babar and Rizwan are proper batsmen, Asif is not worth the dirt on their shoes. Shafique is not in the mix for T20Is anymore, at least not if Babar and Rizwan are available.

If Haseebullah plays 50+ T20Is, he will do better than 15 @133. Anyone would.

Asif Ali is the worst batsman to ever play 50+ matches for Pakistan in white ball cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar and Rizwan are proper batsmen, Asif is not worth the dirt on their shoes. Shafique is not in the mix for T20Is anymore, at least not if Babar and Rizwan are available.

If Haseebullah plays 50+ T20Is, he will do better than 15 @133. Anyone would.

Asif Ali is the worst batsman to ever play 50+ matches for Pakistan in white ball cricket.
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Babar is a proper batsman. Stop trying to normalise Rizwan as a ‘proper batsman’. It is disrespectful to the game of cricket. He is an improved version of a tailender.

It is a shame that you insist on players who play an outdated version of cricket in positions that require taking as many risks as possible. This is why the USA defeat is justified. It is a humiliation that this mindset has thoroughly deserved.
 
Rana said:
Babar is a proper batsman. Stop trying to normalise Rizwan as a ‘proper batsman’. It is disrespectful to the game of cricket. He is an improved version of a tailender.

It is a shame that you insist on players who play an outdated version of cricket in positions that require taking as many risks as possible. This is why the USA defeat is justified. It is a humiliation that this mindset has thoroughly deserved.
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Yes, the guy who averages 40+ in all formats is an “improved version of a tailender”, but the guy who averages 15 is a pocket dynamite who will usher a new era 🤡

The USA defeat happened because people like you vouched for the mental strength and temperament of Amir, who proceeded to bowl the worst Super Over in history.

I have a problem with Babar for trusting a washed up, rubbish bowler like Amir in a pressure situation.
 
Rana said:
Babar is a proper batsman. Stop trying to normalise Rizwan as a ‘proper batsman’. It is disrespectful to the game of cricket. He is an improved version of a tailender.

It is a shame that you insist on players who play an outdated version of cricket in positions that require taking as many risks as possible. This is why the USA defeat is justified. It is a humiliation that this mindset has thoroughly deserved.
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Never seen a tailender averaging around 40
 
Kianig89 said:
Never seen a tailender averaging around 40
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This is questionable. It’s like people who attain fake degrees. There needs to be a serious inquiry into this. Rizwan’s average suggests he is a better batsman than Lara, Ponting, Inzimam etc. In what world is this true?
 
Rana said:
This is questionable. It’s like people who attain fake degrees. There needs to be a serious inquiry into this. Rizwan’s average suggests he is a better batsman than Lara, Ponting, Inzimam etc. In what world is this true?
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This is not fake

Rizwan scored this runs in international cricket by doing the hard yards in front of whole world. How it needs inquiry

Do you even know what you're taking about.

Sharjeel or Asif score kry to runs , Rizwan ke fake runs. Wow this is something out of bounded rationality
 
Kianig89 said:
Never seen a tailender averaging around 40
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Shaun Pollock was considered a tail ender and he averaged 32. And this was in an era where the one ball rule made batting very difficult.

In this era every Tom dick and Harry averages 40 to 50. It's a joke now.

Gone are the days where pointings 40 avg and 80 sr meant you were a hard hitting certified ATG batsmen.

Now frauds like imam are avg and striking higher then pointing but anyone who's watched these 2 would know that imam's bhoota isn't even fit to lace the shoelaces of Pointing( Mamoon's quote intended)

Avg 40 in this era is honestly meaningless. Even in tests they've become meaningless due to deliberately putch curation to favour sides or players hence ramiz was turning pindi into a road for tests.

In the past test pitches were curated to be playable, nowadays their curated to give hone teams or certain players advantages.
 
mominsaigol said:
Shaun Pollock was considered a tail ender and he averaged 32. And this was in an era where the one ball rule made batting very difficult.

In this era every Tom dick and Harry averages 40 to 50. It's a joke now.

Gone are the days where pointings 40 avg and 80 sr meant you were a hard hitting certified ATG batsmen.

Now frauds like imam are avg and striking higher then pointing but anyone who's watched these 2 would know that imam's bhoota isn't even fit to lace the shoelaces of Pointing( Mamoon's quote intended)

Avg 40 in this era is honestly meaningless. Even in tests they've become meaningless due to deliberately putch curation to favour sides or players hence ramiz was turning pindi into a road for tests.

In the past test pitches were curated to be playable, nowadays their curated to give hone teams or certain players advantages.
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Care to name proper Pakistan batsman averaging 40.

Pollock was a bowling allrounder not a tailender.

How much low you people will go in Rizwan bashing
 
Mamoon said:
There are a million reasons why he shouldn’t be in the team at any position. How about the fact that he is awful.

You don’t walk to about his embarrassing numbers because it is an argument that you cannot win. I can guarantee you that no good batsman will average 15 @ 133 after 50+ innings irrespective of his batting position.

You can spend a whole year and you will not be able to come up with a single solid reason for why Asif Ali has earned the right to be in the T20I team at any position.

Asif Ali is a tried and tested failure. He was not misused, he is not just good enough and his numbers at all level prove it. Accept it and move on.
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In a Pakistani lineup where Babar and Rizwan open and play the first 15 overs like it’s a test match, they set the entire team up for failure. By the time they’re done, incoming batsmen are forced into high-risk, desperate cricket just to make up for the slow start. Any one at that position wouldn't play at their full potential. So the 15 average your harping about means zilch unless asif ali was given a fair opportunity.
No batsmen can average 40 coming in at 18th over playing catch up.

Asif Ali often comes in during the last 2 or 3 overs, when five fielders are outside the 30-yard circle, compared to the first powerplay when Babar and Rizwan bat with only two fielders outside the circle—and yet they still struggle.

They don’t make use of the fielding restrictions and lack the ability to clear the boundary, missing a crucial opportunity to set the tone early in the innings.

That's why asif ali is needed upfront to make full use of field restrictions which babar and rizwan fail to make use of.

This isn’t ODI or Test cricket—T20 is about impact, strike rate, and seizing the moment. Averages of 40+ with poor strike rates don’t mean a thing here. It’s like having a Ferrari without an engine; it looks good on paper, but it’s not going anywhere. Their cautious, snail-paced batting style is exactly what’s holding the team back from competitive totals and making the powerplay a wasted opportunity. And that's exactly what you guys do jump up and down about oh rizwan made 50 oh Babar made 50 in a but don't look at the bigger picture that Pakistan lost the match.

Asif Ali’s ability to clear the boundary is precisely what’s needed, especially during the powerplay when only two fielders are outside the circle. That’s the time to take risks and put the opposition on the back foot. Meanwhile, Babar has managed only around 6 or 8 sixes in the 70-odd powerplays he’s played in, that’s not just low, it’s unacceptable in T20 cricket. If the openers aren’t taking advantage of the fielding restrictions, then they’re squandering the foundation for the entire innings.
 
Thread is about ASIF ALI.

WHY ARE YOU GUYS COMPARING RIZ WITH OTHER PLaYERS?

PLEASE FIND OTHER THREADS FOR THIS TYPE OF CHAT
 
Kianig89 said:
This is not fake

Rizwan scored this runs in international cricket by doing the hard yards in front of whole world. How it needs inquiry

Do you even know what you're taking about.

Sharjeel or Asif score kry to runs , Rizwan ke fake runs. Wow this is something out of bounded rationality
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Hard yards in T20 isn’t about opening the innings like it’s a test match and wasting the powerplay. That approach only puts the team at a disadvantage and contributes to the loss.

The hard yards would be Rizwan opening the innings, fully exploiting the powerplay with only two fielders outside the circle, hitting a few sixes where the boundaries are clear, finding gaps for fours, and taking the score to a competitive 50-60 in the first 6 overs.

I don’t understand what’s so hard for you lot to understand about that.

If he can do that I would rate him not interested in his 40+ average
 
emranabbas said:
Hard yards in T20 isn’t about opening the innings like it’s a test match and wasting the powerplay. That approach only puts the team at a disadvantage and contributes to the loss.

The hard yards would be Rizwan opening the innings, fully exploiting the powerplay with only two fielders outside the circle, hitting a few sixes where the boundaries are clear, finding gaps for fours, and taking the score to a competitive 50-60 in the first 6 overs.

I don’t understand what’s so hard for you lot to understand about that.

If he can do that I would rate him not interested in his 40+ average
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Don't divert the topic, Rizwan scored a run by a gentle nudge has small value of Asif Ali scoring a run via ugly hoick
 
Kianig89 said:
Don't divert the topic, Rizwan scored a run by a gentle nudge has small value of Asif Ali scoring a run via ugly hoick
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Let’s see how Rizwan or Babar would perform if they had to come in at the 18th over, playing catch-up. They wouldn’t even manage an average of 10.
 
emranabbas said:
Let’s see how Rizwan or Babar would perform if they had to come in at the 18th over, playing catch-up. They wouldn’t even manage an average of 10.
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It's all hypothetical but the fact is Rizwan and Babar are accomplished players
 
emranabbas said:
Let’s see how Rizwan or Babar would perform if they had to come in at the 18th over, playing catch-up. They wouldn’t even manage an average of 10.
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We’ve already seen it with Rizwan in the past. An absolute failure. Someone who ran away from his flaws and incompetence as a batter and used his manager to pull strings for him with influential people, to push him into positions which would give his input a little more value, and misguide the gullible masses…and indirectly destroying Pakistan cricket, giving it a slow and poisonous death.
 
Rana said:
We’ve already seen it with Rizwan in the past. An absolute failure. Someone who ran away from his flaws and incompetence as a batter and used his manager to pull strings for him with influential people, to push him into positions which would give his input a little more value, and misguide the gullible masses…and indirectly destroying Pakistan cricket, giving it a slow and poisonous death.
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Oh damn just checked rizwans average at number 7 it's a mighty 11 🤣🤣🤣
 
Kianig89 said:
It's all hypothetical but the fact is Rizwan and Babar are accomplished players
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Please don't put Babar and rizwan in the same sentence .

Babar before his form slump was a good accumulator. Yes he was a very overrated batsmen however he was the one key accumulator in the 2017-2019 team and allowed Imam, Fakhar, Haris sohail, sarfi, Imad and malik to bat around him.

To top it off he was pretty good at rotating strike as well.

He was overrated in the sense that he is not pakistan's best ever batter. Infact he isn't even top 5. Saeed, Yousaf, Inzi, Ijaz, Zaheer, Younis were all better players then he is.

Rizwan on the other hand isn't an accomplished batter. He's a limited hack and the pure definition of a very medicore stat padder.
 
emranabbas said:
Oh damn just checked rizwans average at number 7 it's a mighty 11 🤣🤣🤣
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It is unfortunate for Asif Ali that he has the same agent as Rizwan. The agent decides which one of his assets needs to be in the right place so that he can gain maximum revenue through a pre-determined ploy of marketability.

The same agent tweeted Fakhar’s tweet at a time when he was being tipped as white ball captain in order to clear the way for Rizwan. That’s the level he is willing to stoop down to protect his key asset. He doesn’t care about Pakistan.
 
How can the agent get his way?

Well simple: push hard to ensure that captain is represented by you, and the CS is also represented by you.

Make ploys/tactics in your confines for maximum profitability

Make false images of projection to fool the gullible masses.

Use social media to promote those false projections.

Rake in as much as you can. Pakistan jaye bhaar main!
 
Rana said:
How can the agent get his way?

Well simple: push hard to ensure that captain is represented by you, and the CS is also represented by you.

Make ploys/tactics in your confines for maximum profitability

Make false images of projection to fool the gullible masses.

Use social media to promote those false projections.

Rake in as much as you can. Pakistan jaye bhaar main!
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So powerful :mush
 
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emranabbas said:
In a Pakistani lineup where Babar and Rizwan open and play the first 15 overs like it’s a test match, they set the entire team up for failure. By the time they’re done, incoming batsmen are forced into high-risk, desperate cricket just to make up for the slow start. Any one at that position wouldn't play at their full potential. So the 15 average your harping about means zilch unless asif ali was given a fair opportunity.
No batsmen can average 40 coming in at 18th over playing catch up.

Asif Ali often comes in during the last 2 or 3 overs, when five fielders are outside the 30-yard circle, compared to the first powerplay when Babar and Rizwan bat with only two fielders outside the circle—and yet they still struggle.

They don’t make use of the fielding restrictions and lack the ability to clear the boundary, missing a crucial opportunity to set the tone early in the innings.

That's why asif ali is needed upfront to make full use of field restrictions which babar and rizwan fail to make use of.

This isn’t ODI or Test cricket—T20 is about impact, strike rate, and seizing the moment. Averages of 40+ with poor strike rates don’t mean a thing here. It’s like having a Ferrari without an engine; it looks good on paper, but it’s not going anywhere. Their cautious, snail-paced batting style is exactly what’s holding the team back from competitive totals and making the powerplay a wasted opportunity. And that's exactly what you guys do jump up and down about oh rizwan made 50 oh Babar made 50 in a but don't look at the bigger picture that Pakistan lost the match.

Asif Ali’s ability to clear the boundary is precisely what’s needed, especially during the powerplay when only two fielders are outside the circle. That’s the time to take risks and put the opposition on the back foot. Meanwhile, Babar has managed only around 6 or 8 sixes in the 70-odd powerplays he’s played in, that’s not just low, it’s unacceptable in T20 cricket. If the openers aren’t taking advantage of the fielding restrictions, then they’re squandering the foundation for the entire innings.
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Whether Pakistan are 120-6 after 18 overs or 220-6. In both cases Asif Ali has only one job, to come and hit as many sixes as he can. But not only does he fail more often than not as seen by his comical average which can be justified due to the nature of his role. He also fails while eating up deliveries as shown by his strike rate of 133 which is a joke for a supposed power hitter/finisher. A complete burden on the team. If he was any good at his job he would have many 10 ball 20, 15 ball 30 not outs in his career boosting his average but he fails 9 times out of 10 and gives no impact.
 
MHN1293 said:
Whether Pakistan are 120-6 after 18 overs or 220-6. In both cases Asif Ali has only one job, to come and hit as many sixes as he can. But not only does he fail more often than not as seen by his comical average which can be justified due to the nature of his role. He also fails while eating up deliveries as shown by his strike rate of 133 which is a joke for a supposed power hitter/finisher. A complete burden on the team. If he was any good at his job he would have many 10 ball 20, 15 ball 30 not outs in his career boosting his average but he fails 9 times out of 10 and gives no impact.
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This is what the whole thread is about that he's not a finisher as you've mentioned but he's shoved down the order when his power hitting skills should be used upfront in the power play when only 2 fielders are outside the circle. He's a fakhar type of player not a finisher

He initially started his career as a power hitter Upfront as an opener and was doing well and for some reason misbah shoved him down the Order as a finisher.
 
emranabbas said:
This is what the whole thread is about that he's not a finisher as you've mentioned but he's shoved down the order when his power hitting skills should be used upfront in the power play when only 2 fielders are outside the circle. He's a fakhar type of player not a finisher

He initially started his career as a power hitter Upfront as an opener and was doing well and for some reason misbah shoved him down the Order as a finisher.
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He could 80 mph bowlers and did his job but For some to call him to be captain says everything about his knowledge. If only Rabada,Bumrah etc were told to only bowl at 80mph.
 
emranabbas said:
In a Pakistani lineup where Babar and Rizwan open and play the first 15 overs like it’s a test match, they set the entire team up for failure. By the time they’re done, incoming batsmen are forced into high-risk, desperate cricket just to make up for the slow start. Any one at that position wouldn't play at their full potential. So the 15 average your harping about means zilch unless asif ali was given a fair opportunity.
No batsmen can average 40 coming in at 18th over playing catch up.

Asif Ali often comes in during the last 2 or 3 overs, when five fielders are outside the 30-yard circle, compared to the first powerplay when Babar and Rizwan bat with only two fielders outside the circle—and yet they still struggle.

They don’t make use of the fielding restrictions and lack the ability to clear the boundary, missing a crucial opportunity to set the tone early in the innings.

That's why asif ali is needed upfront to make full use of field restrictions which babar and rizwan fail to make use of.

This isn’t ODI or Test cricket—T20 is about impact, strike rate, and seizing the moment. Averages of 40+ with poor strike rates don’t mean a thing here. It’s like having a Ferrari without an engine; it looks good on paper, but it’s not going anywhere. Their cautious, snail-paced batting style is exactly what’s holding the team back from competitive totals and making the powerplay a wasted opportunity. And that's exactly what you guys do jump up and down about oh rizwan made 50 oh Babar made 50 in a but don't look at the bigger picture that Pakistan lost the match.

Asif Ali’s ability to clear the boundary is precisely what’s needed, especially during the powerplay when only two fielders are outside the circle. That’s the time to take risks and put the opposition on the back foot. Meanwhile, Babar has managed only around 6 or 8 sixes in the 70-odd powerplays he’s played in, that’s not just low, it’s unacceptable in T20 cricket. If the openers aren’t taking advantage of the fielding restrictions, then they’re squandering the foundation for the entire innings.
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I repeat: Asif Ali is a pathetic batsman who will be a failure in every position. If he opens, he will be as big a failure as Sharjeel was in T20 internationals.

Once again, stop wasting your thoughts with dumb ideas that will never materialize because no decision-maker in PCB is stupid enough to push for this.
 
Rana said:
It is. Everything about him is. It’s a misconception. His agency has a big hand in this.
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Yes, his agency bats for him which is why he averages 40+ in all formats. 🤡
 
emranabbas said:
This is what the whole thread is about that he's not a finisher as you've mentioned but he's shoved down the order when his power hitting skills should be used upfront in the power play when only 2 fielders are outside the circle. He's a fakhar type of player not a finisher

He initially started his career as a power hitter Upfront as an opener and was doing well and for some reason misbah shoved him down the Order as a finisher.
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Not sure what time period you are talking about because I checked his year by year t20 stats and none are impressive
 
So debate on Asif Ali had led to new Pandora box

1. Asif Ali is an opener not a finisher :zaka

2. Tailenders also average 40 though NASA has started research on it :wa
 
“Asif Ali is not a finisher” yet he has finished a few matches for Pakistan and also in PSL. So who was that guy?

This proves that it is not about his batting position, but it is about the fact that he is a poor player who fails 9/10 times and the few once in a blue moon don’t make up for all the matches that he loses for Pakistan with his brainless batting.
 
Mamoon said:
I repeat: Asif Ali is a pathetic batsman who will be a failure in every position. If he opens, he will be as big a failure as Sharjeel was in T20 internationals.

Once again, stop wasting your thoughts with dumb ideas that will never materialize because no decision-maker in PCB is stupid enough to push for this.
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There's nothing wrong with my logic, if a batsman like Rizwan, who averaged 11 at number 7, can push his average above 40, then it should be a piece of cake for Asif Ali
 
Mamoon said:
“Asif Ali is not a finisher” yet he has finished a few matches for Pakistan and also in PSL. So who was that guy?

This proves that it is not about his batting position, but it is about the fact that he is a poor player who fails 9/10 times and the few once in a blue moon don’t make up for all the matches that he loses for Pakistan with his brainless batting.
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Babar and rizwan has lost us more matches with their slow batting but your not going to saying anything about that because it don't fit your agenda
 
Mamoon said:
“Asif Ali is not a finisher” yet he has finished a few matches for Pakistan and also in PSL. So who was that guy?

This proves that it is not about his batting position, but it is about the fact that he is a poor player who fails 9/10 times and the few once in a blue moon don’t make up for all the matches that he loses for Pakistan with his brainless batting.
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He was a victim of groupism led by Babar and Rizwan.
They should have identified his talent for opening slot.

His lofted mid wicket heaves would have provided awesome PP returns because outside of PP he was caught 90% of the times attempting that shot
 
Kianig89 said:
So debate on Asif Ali had led to new Pandora box

1. Asif Ali is an opener not a finisher :zaka

2. Tailenders also average 40 though NASA has started research on it :wa
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2. Tailenders also average 40 though NASA has started research on it

You took the tailender thing way too literally. Rizzu is a medicore batsmen and nothing will chanhe that
 
emranabbas said:
Yes rizwan was the first tailender to average 40
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He's also the first tailender-keeper ever from Pak to average 40+ in tests including countries like Australia, England , New Zealand.

South Africa tour is approaching though and these stats will be rectified and tailender will get exposed
 
Kianig89 said:
Earlier you said Rizwan averages 11 @ no.7 , now Rizwan is a tailender averaging 40.

Seems Rizwan has made you head spun 360' relax
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Yes rizwan the tailender who failed at number 7
Now unfortunately destroying pakistans powerplays
 
Ahmed216 said:
He's also the first tailender-keeper ever from Pak to average 40+ in tests including countries like Australia, England , New Zealand.

South Africa tour is approaching though and these stats will be rectified and tailender will get exposed
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Tell naseem to open in powerplay and just block and waste the powerplay even he will average 50+
 
Kianig89 said:
Earlier you said Rizwan averages 11 @ no.7 , now Rizwan is a tailender averaging 40.

Seems Rizwan has made you head spun 360' relax
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He’s supposed to take you seriously even though you presented Imam ul Haq as Chris Gayle here?
 
leaving Asif Ali aside, even if Naseem were to open in the first powerplay, he would still put Pakistan in a better position than Rizwan and Babar.
 
mominsaigol said:
Shaun Pollock was considered a tail ender and he averaged 32. And this was in an era where the one ball rule made batting very difficult.

In this era every Tom dick and Harry averages 40 to 50. It's a joke now.

Gone are the days where pointings 40 avg and 80 sr meant you were a hard hitting certified ATG batsmen.

Now frauds like imam are avg and striking higher then pointing but anyone who's watched these 2 would know that imam's bhoota isn't even fit to lace the shoelaces of Pointing( Mamoon's quote intended)

Avg 40 in this era is honestly meaningless. Even in tests they've become meaningless due to deliberately putch curation to favour sides or players hence ramiz was turning pindi into a road for tests.

In the past test pitches were curated to be playable, nowadays their curated to give hone teams or certain players advantages.
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Pollock was a tail ender ? Have u even seen him playing ?
 
Rana said:
But the defeat to USA is reality. It’s not wish wosh. It happened. The two laanats were a major reason for it. What do you say now?
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AzamKhan UsmanKhan Imad Amir , all the cheela chamcha were part of the team
 
Rana said:
They were also part of the team that lost to Zimbabwe? And Afghanistan?
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Upsets do happen

A very strong Pakistan lost to BD in 99

WI lost to Kenya in 96

Aus lost BD in 2005

Many many matches
 
Kianig89 said:
Dewane ka khwab

Billi ko khwab mai chechray

Hatheli p sarso jamana

Story of Asif Ali lovers
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What’s Asif Ali lovers? He is a selfless cricketer who fights for Pakistan when he plays for them. You have an issue with people who support Pakistan first?
 
Kianig89 said:
Upsets do happen

A very strong Pakistan lost to BD in 99

WI lost to Kenya in 96

Aus lost BD in 2005

Many many matches
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Any team with Babar and Rizwan playing and losing to a minnow is not an upset, it’s losing to a team that is their level or slightly above it. This is what you people fail to understand. There are plenty of posters who predicted the Pakistan loss to USA.
 
So far to conclude things

Misbah the destroyer of Pakistan cricket also supported Asif Ali, so not sure where the Misbah critics will hide on this.

Asif Ali is not a finisher not an opener , being misused/ mishandled as a player

Rizwan is tailender and tailender do average in 40s

Pakistan lost to USA but AzamKhan UsmanKhan Amir Imad are not guilty in it.

Continue making fool of yourself.
 
Kianig89 said:
Continue making fool of yourself.
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It’s what you have been doing and trying to do misleading others.

Anyone who defends the rubbish brand of white ball cricket Pakistan is playing is living in a fool’s paradise. You are defending it religiously.
 
mominsaigol said:
Shaun Pollock was considered a tail ender and he averaged 32. And this was in an era where the one ball rule made batting very difficult.

In this era every Tom dick and Harry averages 40 to 50. It's a joke now.

Gone are the days where pointings 40 avg and 80 sr meant you were a hard hitting certified ATG batsmen.

Now frauds like imam are avg and striking higher then pointing but anyone who's watched these 2 would know that imam's bhoota isn't even fit to lace the shoelaces of Pointing( Mamoon's quote intended)

Avg 40 in this era is honestly meaningless. Even in tests they've become meaningless due to deliberately putch
mango_bite77 said:
Pollock was a tail ender ? Have u even seen him playing ?
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Lol Shan Pollock was a tailender. It's gets worse by each post.
 
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No one ever considered Pollock a tailender. He was a genuine bowling all-rounder.

He was a better batsman than Cummins and no one in his right mind would view Cummins as a tailender.
 
Mamoon said:
No one ever considered Pollock a tailender. He was a genuine bowling all-rounder.

He was a better batsman than Cummins and no one in his right mind would view Cummins as a tailender.
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Agreed, Pollock was more of a batsman than Rizwan is
 
emranabbas said:
There's nothing wrong with my logic, if a batsman like Rizwan, who averaged 11 at number 7, can push his average above 40, then it should be a piece of cake for Asif Ali
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Your logic is absolute drivel.

Rizwan only played two innings at number 7 where got out for 6 and remained not out on 5.

In comparison, Asif Ali played 9 innings at number 7 with an average of 17.

Anyone with some brain cells would realize that it is completely dumb to compare data points when there is such a significant difference between number of innings played.

Rizwan would obviously average a lot more than 17 at 7 if he were play around 9 innings.

It gets worse for Asif Ali - he averaged 13 at 5/6 after 33 innings, while Rizwan averages 30 at 5/6 after 8 innings.

33 innings is a huge sample size in T20I cricket, and anyone averaging 13 at 5/6 is no shape or form capable of playing international cricket.

Asif Ali is a complete failure and he will not average more than 20-22 if he were to open in T20Is. He will basically be similar to Sharjeel who averaged 22 at a SR of 133 as T20I opener, same Sharjeel that deluded 0 IQ fans consider a far superior T20 opener than Babar and Rizwan.
 
emranabbas said:
Babar and rizwan has lost us more matches with their slow batting but your not going to saying anything about that because it don't fit your agenda
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Babar and Rizwan’s best knocks are bigger than Asif’s entire sorry career.

I don’t need an agenda to prove that Babar and Rizwan are in a different galaxy to Asif.

It is like comparing a Ferrari with a rickshaw, or us as posters.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar and Rizwan’s best knocks are bigger than Asif’s entire sorry career.

I don’t need an agenda to prove that Babar and Rizwan are in a different galaxy to Asif.

It is like comparing a Ferrari with a rickshaw, or us as posters.
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Absolutely. Rizwan and Babar might look great on paper, like a Ferrari, but without the "engine" to speed things up, they’re not getting us far especially in the powerplays. Their cautious play often keeps the score low early on, giving the opposition an easy start.

Asif, on the other hand, might be a bit unpredictable, but he’s way more likely to put up a decent total in the powerplays. Sure, he’s hit-or-miss, but his aggressive style means he’s got a better shot at giving us a fast, impactful start than Babar and Rizwan.
 
Rizwan is far better than any WK batsman produced by Australia post Gilchrist, and Gilchrist retired 17 years ago.

Leave it to Pakistani fans to disrespect one of the finest cricketers in its history in his position.

Also, the argument that an average of 40+ is nothing special in an era of inflated averages doesn’t help Asif Ali’s cause at all.

If Asif Ali is averaging 15 in this era of inflated averages, how much would he have averaged 15-20 years ago? 5?
 
With a lineup consisting of:

Asif

Fakhar

Saim

Usman


We only need one of them to get going in the powerplay, and we’re almost guaranteed to set a solid foundation for a win—there’s about a 99% chance of victory. These players have the aggressive mindset and the ability to take on the bowlers early, which can lead to a big total in the first few overs. Their attacking approach puts pressure on the opposition from the get-go, something that can turn the game in our favor quickly.

On the other hand, Babar and Rizwan simply don’t possess that kind of firepower. While they can anchor an innings, they rarely explode in the powerplay. Their cautious approach often leads to slow starts, meaning the team misses out on building pressure early in the game. As much as they contribute to the team, they just don’t have that ability to dominate and change the game in those crucial early moments like Asif, Fakhar, Saim, or Usman can.
 
emranabbas said:
Absolutely. Rizwan and Babar might look great on paper, like a Ferrari, but without the "engine" to speed things up, they’re not getting us far especially in the powerplays. Their cautious play often keeps the score low early on, giving the opposition an easy start.

Asif, on the other hand, might be a bit unpredictable, but he’s way more likely to put up a decent total in the powerplays. Sure, he’s hit-or-miss, but his aggressive style means he’s got a better shot at giving us a fast, impactful start than Babar and Rizwan.
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Who told you that Asif Ali is unpredictable and hit-or-miss?

A “batsman” who averages 15 is not unpredictable; he is a predictable failure. He is also not hit-or-miss; he is just miss.

It is your delusional that he would spawn into some dynamite opener who would give Pakistan flying starts because the problems in his batting and mindset that have plagued like him in all other positions would also plague him as an opener.

Runs don’t come for free when you open. You have to combat new ball bowlers and you often have to combat difficult conditions with the ball moving around. You have to be calculated.

Asif is just not good enough. His style isn’t aggressive. If it was, he wouldn’t have SR of only 133 after 50+ T20Is. Low average fan be excused, but there is no excuse for his SR.
 
emranabbas said:
With a lineup consisting of:

Asif

Fakhar

Saim

Usman


We only need one of them to get going in the powerplay, and we’re almost guaranteed to set a solid foundation for a win—there’s about a 99% chance of victory. These players have the aggressive mindset and the ability to take on the bowlers early, which can lead to a big total in the first few overs. Their attacking approach puts pressure on the opposition from the get-go, something that can turn the game in our favor quickly.

On the other hand, Babar and Rizwan simply don’t possess that kind of firepower. While they can anchor an innings, they rarely explode in the powerplay. Their cautious approach often leads to slow starts, meaning the team misses out on building pressure early in the game. As much as they contribute to the team, they just don’t have that ability to dominate and change the game in those crucial early moments like Asif, Fakhar, Saim, or Usman can.
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Asif Ali “aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 133

Fakhar Zaman “aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 133

Saim Ayub “ aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 122

:klopp
 
Sharjeel, the XXL dynamite and the father of T20 batting in Pakistan and the thousand times better T20 opener than Babar and Rizwan has the following stats as T20I opener:

18 innings, average of 22 at a SR of 133.

:klopp
 
Let's keep Asif Ali in Hong Kong leagues - that's his level. He can be the captain over there.

Send Akmal and Sharjeel there as well.
 
Darkrai said:
Let's keep Asif Ali in Hong Kong leagues - that's his level. He can be the captain over there.

Send Akmal and Sharjeel there as well.
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Where should we send Babar and Rizwan? MLC in USA?
 
Mamoon said:
Asif Ali “aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 133

Fakhar Zaman “aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 133

Saim Ayub “ aggressive mindset”

T20I SR of 122

:klopp
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99% chance of winning :yk

Fakhar was so bad when he was the opener, it was actually sad. The guy couldn't buy a run for most of his career as an opener. And he is supposed to be the best out of these guys.
 
Let’s send Babar and Rizwan to the Hundred….

Oh wait they tried 3 times
 
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