Can Babar Azam join the group of Fab 4 and make it a Fab 5?

[marlonbrowndo]

Babar also does not have the resources and role models that the likes of Rohit and Kohli had and have. It’s a shame.

 

[Hasan123]

Lol people care way too much about this stuff. Babar is a world class batter and will break a lot of Pakistani batting records. What more do you want ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

It isn’t an excuse. A guy in his early 20s carrying a batting lineup is an achievement by itself. Like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] said. He has never seen such a big gap between a country’s best batsman and it’s second best. Babar unfortunately can’t bat with the same mindset that the Indian batsmen can. That isn’t to say that Babar can make 200s or play freaky innings like Rohit does because he can’t. Rohit is among the top 3 ODI openers if not the best. But I just don’t think it’s right to compare Babar to Indian batsmen because unfortunately he is a part of an inferior system and more often than not will have to single handedly carry his batting lineup which is an achievement in and of itself.

Well summarized. Been ages since Pakistan has produced a consistent batsman like Babar. Not sure if he will have crazy peak like Moyo. But he will be more like Indian players who churns out consistent scores. Someone who will consistently spend time at the crease. That is a very good start.

 

[Captain caveman]

How did this become a babar vs rohit thread?
Anyways , let me add my 2 pennies worth.
Sharma like sehwag before him, are just flat track bullies, just like warner and smith. On flat tracks thers nothing for the bowler to work with, the bowlers are effectively neutralised.

 

[Captain caveman]

How did this become a babar vs rohit thread?
Anyways , let me add my 2 pennies worth.
Sharma like sehwag before him, are just flat track bullies, just like warner and smith. On flat tracks theres nothing for the bowler to work with, the bowlers are effectively neutralised.

Continue...
The bowling equivalent would be green mambas for pace bowlers or rank turners for spinners, where effectively, batsman are neutralised.
All odis are played n a flat track, hence sharma is so effective, scoring a couple of double hundreds. There is no doubt sharma is talented, just like jason roy is talented and the best white ball batsman in the world today, in my opinion, but put them on a FAIR pitch, not a flat track, or a green mamba or a rank turner, where the battle between bat and ball is 50/50 and you will see that these guys are very average batsmen, you tend to get such pitches in tests matches, the highest pinnacle of the sport, though teams like india like to take advantage of home conditions and prepare rank turners.
Though babar does not have the power game that rohit has, on a 50/50 pitch, theres no comparison, babar is leagues above sharma as a batsman!

 

[Sunny_majoka]

There are no Fab 4 , or anything like that

 

[jaguarjack]

It isn’t an excuse. A guy in his early 20s carrying a batting lineup is an achievement by itself. Like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] said. He has never seen such a big gap between a country’s best batsman and it’s second best.

mid 90s says hi...

 

[jnaveen1980]

Continue...
The bowling equivalent would be green mambas for pace bowlers or rank turners for spinners, where effectively, batsman are neutralised.
All odis are played n a flat track, hence sharma is so effective, scoring a couple of double hundreds. There is no doubt sharma is talented, just like jason roy is talented and the best white ball batsman in the world today, in my opinion, but put them on a FAIR pitch, not a flat track, or a green mamba or a rank turner, where the battle between bat and ball is 50/50 and you will see that these guys are very average batsmen, you tend to get such pitches in tests matches, the highest pinnacle of the sport, though teams like india like to take advantage of home conditions and prepare rank turners.
Though babar does not have the power game that rohit has, on a 50/50 pitch, theres no comparison, babar is leagues above sharma as a batsman!

Don't hold on to that. On a bouncy pitch Rohit sharma is a beast. His problem is swing especially against new ball. So the leagues above comment is not true. Babar does have issues against fast short pitched stuffs. Also if i were i a captain i would block the point point area bit like how India did with Kane williamson by having a fielder at the backward point. Also he is not exactly comfortable against moving ball either.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Don't hold on to that. On a bouncy pitch Rohit sharma is a beast. His problem is swing especially against new ball. So the leagues above comment is not true. Babar does have issues against fast short pitched stuffs. Also if i were i a captain i would block the point point area bit like how India did with Kane williamson by having a fielder at the backward point. Also he is not exactly comfortable against moving ball either.

if anything babar is very good vs short pitch bowling. babar is better than rohit overall if you consider all conditions. I rate babar over rohit in all formats. babar plays with a weaker team which makes him look inferior.
Babar's only weakness is leg spin.

 

[Captain caveman]

Don't hold on to that. On a bouncy pitch Rohit sharma is a beast. His problem is swing especially against new ball. So the leagues above comment is not true. Babar does have issues against fast short pitched stuffs. Also if i were i a captain i would block the point point area bit like how India did with Kane williamson by having a fielder at the backward point. Also he is not exactly comfortable against moving ball either.

I said in the thread about tim paine saying he needed virats permission to play at the gabba, that sharma is an excellent puller and hooker.
Babar doesnt really have these shots, though i have seen him use the pull shot occasionally.
But at the same time, babar will not get out just because the pitch is bouncey , whereas rohit is a sitting duck on in swinging conditions.

 

[Darkrai]

Babar has played too many soft T20s in the last 3 years unlike Kohli who is regularly rested in such matches. If Kohli, Rohit, Babar play in the same team, what are the odds of Babar outperforming them?

Like Pakistan’s T20 ranking, Babar’s T20 ranking is fake as well. He is top 5 but not the best by any means.

Sir Mamoon, i need you to take off you blue-tinted glasses so you can accurately read these stats
Rohit Sharma:
Career Average: 32
2019 Average: 27 @ SR of 134, 11 matches played-5 of which were against Bangladesh and West Indies.

Babar's T20I career is there for everyone to see. His 2019 performances were good as well, except for SL series where he failed, and of course, Pakistan was whitewashed because he is the only good player in the team. It's funny people used to bash him for performing against SL and WI, now they've been shown their oukat. When he failed in 1 match against Aus, Pakistan barely crossed 100. Essentially, he plays with atrocious players, which clearly affects his performance as well. When he had a competent batting partner, in Somerset, he shined. But he has still done very well.

In your opinion, he isn't the best or even close, which I have no issue with, but that won't change facts-that he has been a top performer.

 

[Slog]

What is your point?

Kohli scored 80 and 77 against Australia and Pakistan after coming to the crease in the 25th over. Was that his fault?

Should he have told Rohit and Dhawan/Rahul to fail so that he can come to the crease early and play an “impactful” innings to win Mobashir’s approval on PP?

I have stated already. Kohli had an excellent World Cup but not to his normal standards. He is the best ODI batsman of all time and he should have done more.

Nevertheless, I am not sure what your point is. Let’s assume that Kohli was rubbish at the World Cup and didn’t have the caliber to play an impactful innings like the the GOAT Babar.

What are you implying?

1) Is Babar better at 25 than Kohli at 25?

2) is Babar a better pressure player?

3) Is Babar a more impactful match-winner?

4) Does Babar have better talent and better technique?

5) Will Babar end up as a better batsman and break Kohli’s records?

Which one is it. Please don’t beat around the bush anymore.

Kohli is a far more accomplished batsman than Babar at the same age and when their careers end will clearly have the more impressive pedigree but you are being disingenuous when you say Kohli had an excellent World Cup. It was not as big a failure as 2015 but he scored soft runs and went missing when pressure was on.

In fact he hasn’t had a great ODI
WC at all which is a bit of a mystery because his World T20s have been absolutely dominating

 

[jiduguravindra]

In fact he hasn’t had a great ODI
WC at all which is a bit of a mystery because his World T20s have been absolutely dominating

When it comes to t20I,kohli is legend with 2 Mos in 2 t20 wc, played stunning knocks in pressure.
Infact in t20i
1.kohli
2.daylight
Other batsmens
Hope he will come good in odi wc as well.

 

[Aman]

Babar is already averaging 50+ at no 3, its not like he is averaging 28-29 so he is already settled and on his way to a great career. My reply was regarding the point that Rohit is a giant it will never be a comparison, as nobody would have predicted what Rohit would become what he is now as he was never an opener to start with.

Saying it will never be a comparison is just ignoring all the possibilities of Rohit himself is an example of.

Never going to happen.

Rohit is an elite talent who has destructive batting power which he has made well use of, Babar just doesn't have the game or talent to match it. No shame in that, there aren't many in the game's history who can.

 

[Hyperion66]

Never going to happen.

Rohit is an elite talent who has destructive batting power which he has made well use of, Babar just doesn't have the game or talent to match it. No shame in that, there aren't many in the game's history who can.

Game, set, match.

 

[Mamoon]

Sir Mamoon, i need you to take off you blue-tinted glasses so you can accurately read these stats
Rohit Sharma:
Career Average: 32
2019 Average: 27 @ SR of 134, 11 matches played-5 of which were against Bangladesh and West Indies.

Babar's T20I career is there for everyone to see. His 2019 performances were good as well, except for SL series where he failed, and of course, Pakistan was whitewashed because he is the only good player in the team. It's funny people used to bash him for performing against SL and WI, now they've been shown their oukat. When he failed in 1 match against Aus, Pakistan barely crossed 100. Essentially, he plays with atrocious players, which clearly affects his performance as well. When he had a competent batting partner, in Somerset, he shined. But he has still done very well.

In your opinion, he isn't the best or even close, which I have no issue with, but that won't change facts-that he has been a top performer.

Tell me one thing with utmost honesty.

If you have the choice between Babar and Rohit, who would you pick for your T20 side? if you say Babar, then I will tell you what I told Mobashir yesterday. You deserve to support a rubbish side like Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli is a far more accomplished batsman than Babar at the same age and when their careers end will clearly have the more impressive pedigree but you are being disingenuous when you say Kohli had an excellent World Cup. It was not as big a failure as 2015 but he scored soft runs and went missing when pressure was on.

In fact he hasn’t had a great ODI
WC at all which is a bit of a mystery because his World T20s have been absolutely dominating

In my opinion, Kohli missed out on two certain hundreds in the World Cup because of running out of time. He scored 83 against Australia and 77 against Pakistan and both times, he came to the crease around the 25th over. If he had enough time in those games and scored those hundreds, would people be calling his World Cup impact-less?

I would argue that the crazy form of Rohit, Dhawan (before he got injured) and Rahul who didn’t set the world on fire but occupied the crease, made it difficult for Kohli to have an impact on the World Cup. He didn’t even get the time to fill his boots against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, where he came to the crease after the 30th over in both occasions.

Apart from the semi-final which was indeed a failure, I believe that Kohli did pretty much all he could in those circumstances. He missed out on the 3-4 hundreds because of his openers.

 

[Mamoon]

The comparison has switched from FAB 4 to Babar vs Rohit Sharma.

Anyways Babar is a good ODI batsmen but he will NEVER be able to score 250 odd runs once, let alone twice coming aa one down in his career.

Rohit is like Afridi, keeps you in the game while Babar would be like a consistent hard working batsmen.

Except Rohit is even more consistent than Babar and hits the ball better than Afridi ever could.

 

[Mamoon]

It isn’t an excuse. A guy in his early 20s carrying a batting lineup is an achievement by itself. Like [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] said. He has never seen such a big gap between a country’s best batsman and it’s second best. Babar unfortunately can’t bat with the same mindset that the Indian batsmen can. That isn’t to say that Babar can make 200s or play freaky innings like Rohit does because he can’t. Rohit is among the top 3 ODI openers if not the best. But I just don’t think it’s right to compare Babar to Indian batsmen because unfortunately he is a part of an inferior system and more often than not will have to single handedly carry his batting lineup which is an achievement in and of itself.

I agree that the gap between Pakistan’s best batsman (Babar) and the second best batsman (whoever he is) is certainly bigger than any team.

However, that doesn’t tell us how good Babar is. That tells us how rubbish Pakistan is. Babar’s status cannot be enhanced because he plays in a poor team because there is no guarantee that he would do even better in a stronger team.

 

[Mobashir]

In my opinion, Kohli missed out on two certain hundreds in the World Cup because of running out of time. He scored 83 against Australia and 77 against Pakistan and both times, he came to the crease around the 25th over. If he had enough time in those games and scored those hundreds, would people be calling his World Cup impact-less?

I would argue that the crazy form of Rohit, Dhawan (before he got injured) and Rahul who didn’t set the world on fire but occupied the crease, made it difficult for Kohli to have an impact on the World Cup. He didn’t even get the time to fill his boots against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, where he came to the crease after the 30th over in both occasions.

Apart from the semi-final which was indeed a failure, I believe that Kohli did pretty much all he could in those circumstances. He missed out on the 3-4 hundreds because of his openers.

You really seem to miss the dynamics of an ODI innings.
Kohli may have missed the hundreds because of time and because the openers played so well. But it's also because the openers played so well that he could score those impact less, easy fifties at run a ball without any pressure. He was not hurting the opposition for his first 50 runs at least.

If you come in early and keep loosing partners it's not the same dynamic. So you can never use this kind of logic of ifs and buts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

if anything babar is very good vs short pitch bowling. babar is better than rohit overall if you consider all conditions. I rate babar over rohit in all formats. babar plays with a weaker team which makes him look inferior.
Babar's only weakness is leg spin.

Rohit Sharma is literally making a claim for the greatest ODI opener ever. Babar isnt close.

 

[Mobashir]

Game, set, match.

You still have to explain how is Buttler a better test batsman than Babar Azam.

 

[Aman]

Isn't Rohit going hundred for hundred with Kohli the last few years, who has had an insane run of form outside the WC? )

He was the leading run scorer in the WC as well, think he equalled/broke the record for most 100s/runs in a WC as well IIRC.

 

[Mamoon]

You really seem to miss the dynamics of an ODI innings.
Kohli may have missed the hundreds because of time and because the openers played so well. But it's also because the openers played so well that he could score those impact less, easy fifties at run a ball without any pressure. He was not hurting the opposition for his first 50 runs at least.

If you come in early and keep loosing partners it's not the same dynamic. So you can never use this kind of logic of ifs and buts.

You really seem to have missed the career of a batsman who has 43 ODI hundreds at the age of 31, and who is also the greatest chaser of big totals in history (most hundreds while chasing).

A batsman who only thrives when the openers put a partnership, allowing him to score impact-less easy 50s cannot be a hundred making machine like Kohli. His 43 hundreds proves that he thrives when he comes in early.

Kohli is the last player in history that you should be accusing of hiding. He is not de Villiers, who hid like a coward from the top 3 all his career - a tactical blunder that cost his team the 2015 World Cup.

 

[andy0204]

Instead of claiming let's judge him after 3 years.

 

[Mobashir]

You really seem to have missed the career of a batsman who has 43 ODI hundreds at the age of 31, and who is also the greatest chaser of big totals in history (most hundreds while chasing).

A batsman who only thrives when the openers put a partnership, allowing him to score impact-less easy 50s cannot be a hundred making machine like Kohli. His 43 hundreds proves that he thrives when he comes in early.

Kohli is the last player in history that you should be accusing of hiding. He is not de Villiers, who hid like a coward from the top 3 all his career - a tactical blunder that cost his team the 2015 World Cup.

I have not accused Kohli of hiding. He is a one down batsman and came all world cup at 3. Why will I accused him of hiding?

I am just telling you that it's easier to come in at 180/1 after 30 to make a run a ball 50 rather than come in with wickets going down around you. At 180/1 teams will not attack you and will not go for your wicket, they will let you the easy singles etc, so apart if you play high risk cricket you don't have many chances to give your wicket away. And this is precisely what Kohli did.

Why are you always bringing career stats when we are just trying to analyse world cup. Your speech seems to be empty of analyse and just a repetition of Kohli has 70 hundreds, Kohli is the best chaser ever, Kohli is the best batsman ever etc...

Just told you what I have written above about an ODI innings and not specially about Kohli, that's the case for everyone. You can agree or disagree.

 

[Mobashir]

In fact he hasn’t had a great ODI
WC at all which is a bit of a mystery because his World T20s have been absolutely dominating

Not really a mystery, you just go and look the bowling attacks he scored against in those T20 world cup and compare them with bowling attacks in ODI world cups.

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

What about the Fab 10?

Virat Kohli (India)
Steve Smith (Australia)
Kane Williamson (New Zealand)
Joe Root (England)
Babar Azam (Pakistan)
Mushfiqur Rahim (Bangladesh)
Shai Hope (West Indies)
Aiden Makram (South Africa)
Avishka Fernando (Sri Lanka)
Rahmat Shah (Afghanistan)

 

[Mobashir]

Tell me one thing with utmost honesty.

If you have the choice between Babar and Rohit, who would you pick for your T20 side? if you say Babar, then I will tell you what I told Mobashir yesterday. You deserve to support a rubbish side like Pakistan.

Both are very good. But if both continue to play the way they are playing these days I will take Babar.
Babar has to continue to play like this witch, to me, isn't a guarantee in T20I's.

 

[Mamoon]

I have not accused Kohli of hiding. He is a one down batsman and came all world cup at 3. Why will I accused him of hiding?

I am just telling you that it's easier to come in at 180/1 after 30 to make a run a ball 50 rather than come in with wickets going down around you. At 180/1 teams will not attack you and will not go for your wicket, they will let you the easy singles etc, so apart if you play high risk cricket you don't have many chances to give your wicket away. And this is precisely what Kohli did.

Why are you always bringing career stats when we are just trying to analyse world cup. Your speech seems to be empty of analyse and just a repetition of Kohli has 70 hundreds, Kohli is the best chaser ever, Kohli is the best batsman ever etc...

Just told you what I have written above about an ODI innings and not specially about Kohli, that's the case for everyone. You can agree or disagree.

The point is that your point is useless in the context of Kohli. You can use this logic to downplay a mediocre batsman and accuse him of scoring soft runs but you cannot use this logic against someone who has 43 hundreds.

It is like calling Steve Smith a flat track bully after he scores a few Test hundreds on flat pitches. He might have benefited from the flat tracks in those instances, but he is obviously far from a flat track bully.

You are still not making any point. I asked you before and I will ask you again. What exactly are you implying here?

Is Babar a better pressure player than Kohli?

Is he more talented and has better technique?

Is he mentally stronger?

Is he a bigger match-winner?

Is Kohli incapable of playing the innings that Babar played against New Zealand in the World Cup?

Is Kohli a choker and cannot handle World Cup pressure?

is Kohli inferior to Babar against quality attacks?

Please pick one or multiple statements and finally make your point. However, bear in mind that every single statement is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth.

 

[Mobashir]

In my opinion, Kohli missed out on two certain hundreds in the World Cup because of running out of time. He scored 83 against Australia and 77 against Pakistan and both times, he came to the crease around the 25th over. If he had enough time in those games and scored those hundreds, would people be calling his World Cup impact-less?

I would argue that the crazy form of Rohit, Dhawan (before he got injured) and Rahul who didn’t set the world on fire but occupied the crease, made it difficult for Kohli to have an impact on the World Cup. He didn’t even get the time to fill his boots against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, where he came to the crease after the 30th over in both occasions.

Apart from the semi-final which was indeed a failure, I believe that Kohli did pretty much all he could in those circumstances. He missed out on the 3-4 hundreds because of his openers.

I didn't wanted to go into further analyzing this but your repeatedly say such nonsense that I had to.

Kohli's world cup in terms of coming early vs coming once the platform is set :

Coming early vs South Africa : came in at 13-1 after 5.1. Could have score a hundred or whatever you want, finished with 18 from 34 balls.

Coming with a platform vs Australia : came in at 127/1 after 22.3 and scored 82 from 77, losing his wicket in the last over. No further pressure of wicket falling. 4 fours and 2 sixes. The scoring rate is of an accumulator playing in these conditions.

Coming with a platform vs Pakistan: came in at 136/1 after 23 overs. Scrored 77 of 65. Again, without any pressure, started his innings like an accumulator, without taking any risk. 50 from 51 balls, with 3 fours. Had he played more modern day like cricket the hundred wasn't out of reach. Still well played.

Coming early vs Afghanistan came in after 4. 2 overs with 7/1. Played a good innings with wickets falling but apart form himself nothing stopped him to make a hundred.

Coming early vs West Indies came in at 30/1 after 6 overs. No further pressure of wickets going down till the 21st wicket, still managed to accumulate 72 from 82 balls.

Coming early vs England Chasing 337 he came in the 3rd over. No pressure of wickets going down as he was the next wicket himself in the 29th over. Score was just 146 because he accumulated another fifty - 66 from 76 balls chasing that much. (king of chases I heard...)

Coming with a platform vs Bangladesh: Came in at the 30th over with the score at 180. Could have played an impact innings but he was again accumulating run a ball runs in a non pressure innings but this time he failed to play an non impactful innings and scored 26 from 27 balls.

SEMI FINAL VS NEW ZEALAND : lol

So, first all your claims are completely falls and as I said we can't do these if this and if that.
Secondly, you want me to call this world cup a great world cup by 2019 batting standards?
Will hardly make the list of the top 10 batsmen of the world cup with O impact innings.

 

[Mobashir]

The point is that your point is useless in the context of Kohli. You can use this logic to downplay a mediocre batsman and accuse him of scoring soft runs but you cannot use this logic against someone who has 43 hundreds.

It is like calling Steve Smith a flat track bully after he scores a few Test hundreds on flat pitches. He might have benefited from the flat tracks in those instances, but he is obviously far from a flat track bully.

You are still not making any point. I asked you before and I will ask you again. What exactly are you implying here?

Is Babar a better pressure player than Kohli?

Is he more talented and has better technique?

Is he mentally stronger?

Is he a bigger match-winner?

Is Kohli incapable of playing the innings that Babar played against New Zealand in the World Cup?

Is Kohli a choker and cannot handle World Cup pressure?

is Kohli inferior to Babar against quality attacks?

Please pick one or multiple statements and finally make your point. However, bear in mind that every single statement is laughable and couldn’t be further from the truth.

If you want I can wander all these question but it will probably always be the same problem. Babar is way too young in his career to be compared to Kohli.

I haven't made any big statement. The statement is clear - On current form, Babar is on par with Kohli as a batsman. (and Kohli can be proud of it, so well Babar is playing).
To repeat myself, if the discussion in going on for so long is only because indians and you can't accept the reality of what I said and have to bring 43 hundreds, 70 hundreds, best chaser in history etc witch is all irrevalant on current form.

 

[Mamoon]

If you want I can wander all these question but it will probably always be the same problem. Babar is way too young in his career to be compared to Kohli.

I haven't made any big statement. The statement is clear - On current form, Babar is on par with Kohli as a batsman. (and Kohli can be proud of it, so well Babar is playing).
To repeat myself, if the discussion in going on for so long is only because indians and you can't accept the reality of what I said and have to bring 43 hundreds, 70 hundreds, best chaser in history etc witch is all irrevalant on current form.

Yeah, the current form argument is also nonsense. On current form, Kohli scored 250+ against South Africa a couple of Tests ago. Do you think Babar has the temperament to score 250 today?

Or do you think Kohli cannot score 104 in Australia today, a country where he has scored more Test hundreds than any overseas batsman except Tendulkar (both have scored 6).

What exactly do you even mean by current form? Today, yesterday, last month, last week, last year, last two years? Are you aware of Kohli’s Test and ODI record since 2018?

I am sorry but you don’t have an argument. Kohli and Babar are not comparable even on current form, regardless what you mean by “current”.

Furthermore, Kohli at 25 was far more accomplished than Babar at 25.

Let me summarize with the following points:

- Kohli was better than Babar at 25

- Kohli is better than Babar on current form, irrespective of how you define current.

- Kohli will always be better than Babar because Babar will have to pull off something extremely extraordinary to surpass Kohli’s legacy as a batsman.

If I am being generous, I would say that Babar has about 1% chance of becoming a bigger batsman than Kohli.

 

[Mobashir]

I didn't wanted to go into further analyzing this but your repeatedly say such nonsense that I had to.

Kohli's world cup in terms of coming early vs coming once the platform is set :

Coming early vs South Africa : came in at 13-1 after 5.1. Could have score a hundred or whatever you want, finished with 18 from 34 balls.

Coming with a platform vs Australia : came in at 127/1 after 22.3 and scored 82 from 77, losing his wicket in the last over. No further pressure of wicket falling. 4 fours and 2 sixes. The scoring rate is of an accumulator playing in these conditions.

Coming with a platform vs Pakistan: came in at 136/1 after 23 overs. Scrored 77 of 65. Again, without any pressure, started his innings like an accumulator, without taking any risk. 50 from 51 balls, with 3 fours. Had he played more modern day like cricket the hundred wasn't out of reach. Still well played.

Coming early vs Afghanistan came in after 4. 2 overs with 7/1. Played a good innings with wickets falling but apart form himself nothing stopped him to make a hundred.

Coming early vs West Indies came in at 30/1 after 6 overs. No further pressure of wickets going down till the 21st wicket, still managed to accumulate 72 from 82 balls.

Coming early vs England Chasing 337 he came in the 3rd over. No pressure of wickets going down as he was the next wicket himself in the 29th over. Score was just 146 because he accumulated another fifty - 66 from 76 balls chasing that much. (king of chases I heard...)

Coming with a platform vs Bangladesh: Came in at the 30th over with the score at 180. Could have played an impact innings but he was again accumulating run a ball runs in a non pressure innings but this time he failed to play an non impactful innings and scored 26 from 27 balls.

SEMI FINAL VS NEW ZEALAND : lol

So, first all your claims are completely falls and as I said we can't do these if this and if that.
Secondly, you want me to call this world cup a great world cup by 2019 batting standards?
Will hardly make the list of the top 10 batsmen of the world cup with O impact innings.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] still waiting for you to admit that it was a mistake claiming Kohli missed hundreds in the world cup because of x, y and z reasons.

 

[BlueBeamer]

If you want I can wander all these question but it will probably always be the same problem. Babar is way too young in his career to be compared to Kohli.

I haven't made any big statement. The statement is clear - On current form, Babar is on par with Kohli as a batsman. (and Kohli can be proud of it, so well Babar is playing).
To repeat myself, if the discussion in going on for so long is only because indians and you can't accept the reality of what I said and have to bring 43 hundreds, 70 hundreds, best chaser in history etc witch is all irrevalant on current form.

Well Babar on current form scored a grand total of 6 runs when his team needed him to draw the T20 series in Aus. Kohli in a similar situation in 3rd T20i scored 61 of 41 to level the series.


I wonder why the no. 1 T20I who is on par with Kohli failed to win the match for his team in a crunch situation on foreign soil.

 

[jiduguravindra]

Not really a mystery, you just go and look the bowling attacks he scored against in those T20 world cup and compare them with bowling attacks in ODI world cups.

Every team will plays their best possible Xi in world cups.Kohli who absolutely dominated 2 Wt20 and won 2 mos awards and u are questioning the bowling lineup of opposition teams.
Last one as per current form Babar is the best batsmen in the world even better than smith because babar scored century where Smith only scored 4.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Funny thing is some even suggest that he has left everyone else behind except Kohli and Smith lol In the match Labu played an outstanding knock not to forget couple of lone warrior innings in England while his team was collapsing around him. Latham, Nichols have been consistent as well. Hope produced a brilliant match winning 100 in England. Karunaratne has also been consistent.

 

[Buffet]

What exactly do you even mean by current form? Today, yesterday, last month, last week, last year, last two years? Are you aware of Kohli’s Test and ODI record since 2018?

Current form is normally last 1-2 years. Highlighted record of Babar in the last 12 months and the last 2 years.


Last 12 Months in Test:


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Last 12 months in ODI:


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Last 2 Years in Test:

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Last 2 Years in ODI:

 

[Relic]

Well Babar on current form scored a grand total of 6 runs when his team needed him to draw the T20 series in Aus. Kohli in a similar situation in 3rd T20i scored 61 of 41 to level the series.


I wonder why the no. 1 T20I who is on par with Kohli failed to win the match for his team in a crunch situation on foreign soil.

I wonder why you didn't mention that Babar scored consecutive fifties before that. hmmm

Stop picking and choosing

You really sound like an ignorant...

 

[Relic]

Funny thing is some even suggest that he has left everyone else behind except Kohli and Smith lol In the match Labu played an outstanding knock not to forget couple of lone warrior innings in England while his team was collapsing around him. Latham, Nichols have been consistent as well. Hope produced a brilliant match winning 100 in England. Karunaratne has also been consistent.

Now you're going to consider scores less than 100 as outstanding?

Then why didn't you mention Babar's 90 vs NZ IN NZ when he was the only batsman standing at the end and his 68* against England in england where he was the joint second highest run scorer of the match and was retired hurt??

You seriously mentioned Hope??
The guy who averages in the 20s and the only two centuries he had to his name were scored in the same match against England LOL

 

[BlueBeamer]

I wonder why you didn't mention that Babar scored consecutive fifties before that. hmmm

Stop picking and choosing

You really sound like an ignorant...

Well a certain guy keeps mentioning that Babar is on par with Kohli on current form but the only time he faced a crunch situation in exact same circumstances as Kohli he failed despite all the hoo haa about being no.1 batsman in that format.


I am not picking and choosing but there are certain posters in this thread who keep pushing their cherry-picked narratives just to show that Babar is somehow of Kohli's level with exactly one good innings in ODI and an above average innings in test. I do not hate Babar, infact I feel he has all the makings of a potential great....its just that he's not there yet.

 

[BlueBeamer]

Current form is normally last 1-2 years. Highlighted record of Babar in the last 12 months and the last 2 years.


Last 12 Months in Test:

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Last 12 months in ODI:
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Last 2 Years in Test:
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Last 2 Years in ODI:
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So, he almost always at the bottom of the table despite being on par with Kohli on current form

 

[Hyperion66]

You still have to explain how is Buttler a better test batsman than Babar Azam.

I don't have to explain anything to a guy who thinks Babar is as good or even better than Kohli and Rohit. Would much rather watch paint dry or Azhar Ali's net session.

 

[andy0204]

I don't have to explain anything to a guy who thinks Babar is as good or even better than Kohli and Rohit. Would much rather watch paint dry or Azhar Ali's net session.

Or listening to opera .

 

[Relic]

Well a certain guy keeps mentioning that Babar is on par with Kohli on current form but the only time he faced a crunch situation in exact same circumstances as Kohli he failed despite all the hoo haa about being no.1 batsman in that format.


I am not picking and choosing but there are certain posters in this thread who keep pushing their cherry-picked narratives just to show that Babar is somehow of Kohli's level with exactly one good innings in ODI and an above average innings in test. I do not hate Babar, infact I feel he has all the makings of a potential great....its just that he's not there yet.

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Are you for real or are you just trying to troll? Coz honestly I'll feel sorry for you either way.

Wasn't it a "crunch situation" when we were 10/2 in 3 overs and then Babar scored 59 off 38 to take us to a decent enough total??

And then in the NEXT t20 he scored another fifty when we were 29/2 in 5 overs.

this:
"The only time he faced a crunch situation in exact same circumstances as Kohli he failed despite all the hoo haa about being no.1 batsman in that format." is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard on PP all week.

I've now given you TWO examples of when Babar saved us from a bad position. We didn't win because our bowlers didn't perform. How's that Babar's fault??
How can you possible question his no.1 ranking??


As I said before, STOP embarrassing yourself
[MENTION=149691]Captain caveman[/MENTION] These are the types of people we have on PP

 

[Buffet]

So, he almost always at the bottom of the table despite being on par with Kohli on current form

Bottom of table as presented is not meanigful. Default is sorted by runs.

You should look at Avg, SR, tons etc.


In my opinion,

Over All: Kohli Day light others

Test Format: Smith > Kohli and then some gap and others.


I don't think this talk of Babar joining fab 4 is even rational. Babar may play some meanigful knocks and get 8-10 tons in tests, but by then Fab 4 will be in their last leg. Babar should be compared with younger generation of players.

 

[Relic]

Well a certain guy keeps mentioning that Babar is on par with Kohli on current form but the only time he faced a crunch situation in exact same circumstances as Kohli he failed despite all the hoo haa about being no.1 batsman in that format.


I am not picking and choosing but there are certain posters in this thread who keep pushing their cherry-picked narratives just to show that Babar is somehow of Kohli's level with exactly one good innings in ODI and an above average innings in test. I do not hate Babar, infact I feel he has all the makings of a potential great....its just that he's not there yet.

Also, it wasn't even the exact same situation as Babar was batting first while Kohli was chasing.
It's sad that you're ignoring this fact

 

[BlueBeamer]

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Are you for real or are you just trying to troll? Coz honestly I'll feel sorry for you either way.

Wasn't it a "crunch situation" when we were 10/2 in 3 overs and then Babar scored 59 off 38 to take us to a decent enough total??

And then in the NEXT t20 he scored another fifty when we were 29/2 in 5 overs.

this:
"The only time he faced a crunch situation in exact same circumstances as Kohli he failed despite all the hoo haa about being no.1 batsman in that format." is probably the most ignorant thing I've heard on PP all week.

I've now given you TWO examples of when Babar saved us from a bad position. We didn't win because our bowlers didn't perform. How's that Babar's fault??
How can you possible question his no.1 ranking??


As I said before, STOP embarrassing yourself

[MENTION=149691]Captain caveman[/MENTION] These are the types of people we have on PP

Why are you hung up on previous matches!...Point is both Kohli and Babar had to perform well in the last match to save the series. This is called a real crunch situation -- the do or die match. Except one performed per expectations other didn't.


The day Babar single-handedly dominates a LOI or Test series in a SENA nation, I will consider him worthy of comparison.

 

[BlueBeamer]

Also, it wasn't even the exact same situation as Babar was batting first while Kohli was chasing.
It's sad that you're ignoring this fact

Well setting a target is often much easier than chasing one unless you conjure up some logic that it isn't.

 

[Ab Fan]

Fab four has four names- Smith, Kohli, Williamson, Root.

Babar has the ceiling to become a better test batsmen than Root and a better ODI batsmen than Root, Williamson and Smith. This means the "fab four" isn't the greatest thing ever been and as far as Babar is concerned, at this time, we can only make assumptions.

Whether Babar can achieve that much or not or achieve even more, only time will tell.

 

[Relic]

Well setting a target is often much easier than chasing one unless you conjure up some logic that it isn't.

I don't want to feed anything more to a troll like you.
So move on and stop being ignorant

 

[Mobashir]

I don't have to explain anything to a guy who thinks Babar is as good or even better than Kohli and Rohit. Would much rather watch paint dry or Azhar Ali's net session.

Every excuse to not answer the question is good.
Next time you better think a little before posting such things - thinking helps!

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Fab Four is nothing but an arbitrary term.

It doesn't matter to me if Babar is grouped with them or not. I just want him to be the best he can be.

 

[Mobashir]

Bottom of table as presented is not meanigful. Default is sorted by runs.

You should look at Avg, SR, tons etc.


In my opinion,

Over All: Kohli Day light others

Test Format: Smith > Kohli and then some gap and others.


I don't think this talk of Babar joining fab 4 is even rational. Babar may play some meanigful knocks and get 8-10 tons in tests, but by then Fab 4 will be in their last leg. Babar should be compared with younger generation of players.

So ODI's and T20's count to much that as an overall batsman you consider Kohli way ahead of anyone else- Smith including?

Can I have your list of top 5 batsmen overall?
1. Kohli
Daylight
Then?

 

[Titan24]

Never going to happen.

Rohit is an elite talent who has destructive batting power which he has made well use of, Babar just doesn't have the game or talent to match it. No shame in that, there aren't many in the game's history who can.

What exactly is the debate here? If its regarding the 3 double hundreds of Rohit than I doubt any player will be able to do that anytime soon.

Now that double hundreds are aside what exactly Rohit has achieved that Babar by the end of next 10 years when Rohit will be relaxing and mentoring one of the IPL franchises.

No doubt Rohit has a destructive power game but than Kohli, Smith, Williamson, Root also dont have such level of power game. Does it make them much inferior to Rohit?

If the answer is no then Babar already has more ODI centuries than Smith, 2 less than Williamson and 5 less than Root.

If power game is the only discussion than this might not be the suitable thread.

 

[Titan24]

Fab Four is nothing but an arbitrary term.

It doesn't matter to me if Babar is grouped with them or not. I just want him to be the best he can be.

Exactly. In next 5 years when most of the Fab 4 will retire, Babar will be the one and only lion of the jungle.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

So, he almost always at the bottom of the table despite being on par with Kohli on current form

Pakistan play a lot fewer games compared to other countries. Number of runs scored should not be the criteria. Average runs per game would be better.

That being said, he is nowhere near Kohli.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Fab four has four names- Smith, Kohli, Williamson, Root.

Babar has the ceiling to become a better test batsmen than Root and a better ODI batsmen than Root, Williamson and Smith. This means the "fab four" isn't the greatest thing ever been and as far as Babar is concerned, at this time, we can only make assumptions.

Whether Babar can achieve that much or not or achieve even more, only time will tell.

Correct. Needs to become a better batsman than Smith in ODIs. But in tests, he needs to surpass many other batsmen. Warner, Karunaratne, Agarwal etc.

 

[Buffet]

So ODI's and T20's count to much that as an overall batsman you consider Kohli way ahead of anyone else- Smith including?

Discussion was about current situation. I give more weight to test than ODI.


Let's take a look at current situation,

Test rating of Smith : 931
Test rating of Kohli: 928
Huge Gap
Others..



ODI rating of Kohli: 895
Huge gap
Huge gap
Huge gap
ODI rating of Smith: 636

No batsmen is close to Smith and Kohli in Test format. Smith is too far behind Kohli in ODI format. These ratings are most objective despite having many flaws.


Top 5 will be harder to put than simply saying that,

Over all Kohli is far ahead as batsman than others.
In test format Smith is ahead than Kohli and others are far behind.

I am very comfortable making both statements.

 

[Buffet]

Discussion was about current situation. I give more weight to test than ODI.


Let's take a look at current situation,

Test rating of Smith : 931
Test rating of Kohli: 928
Huge Gap
Others..



ODI rating of Kohli: 895
Huge gap
Huge gap
Huge gap
ODI rating of Smith: 636

No batsmen is close to Smith and Kohli in Test format. Smith is too far behind Kohli in ODI format. These ratings are most objective despite having many flaws.


Top 5 will be harder to put than simply saying that,

Over all Kohli is far ahead as batsman than others.
In test format Smith is ahead than Kohli and others are far behind.

I am very comfortable making both statements.

You don't have to really think too much to say that kohli is best batsman of his generation. Except Smith no one is close. And Smith has 34 tons in all formats. Kohli has 71 tons.

 

[BlueBeamer]

You don't have to really think too much to say that kohli is best batsman of his generation. Except Smith no one is close. And Smith has 34 tons in all formats. Kohli has 71 tons.

Expecting excuses to this like - LOI's don't matter, runs in bilateral LOI's don't matter, only tests matter, 1 test ton= 20 LOI tons and etc etc

 

[Darkrai]

Tell me one thing with utmost honesty.

If you have the choice between Babar and Rohit, who would you pick for your T20 side? if you say Babar, then I will tell you what I told Mobashir yesterday. You deserve to support a rubbish side like Pakistan.

The fact that I’m still here following and supporting Pakistan after the incompetence shown by the PCB, team management, and players time again, yes, I deserve this mediocre team.

As for Rohit being better than Babar, if our main criteria for judging players is power-hitting ability, ignoring average/consistency or the fact that most of Babar’s 50s have comes at a SR of 150+, then I’m confident Babar isn’t even in top 15.

 

[Ab Fan]

Apart from three double hundreds, Rohit also had a brilliant World Cup this year where he was the leading run-scorer and also was one of the most impact batsmen in this tournament, which is why India didn't lose a single match till they played England and were at the top of chart.

He has outrageous stats as an opener and his past 6 years record shows that not only he is a destructive batsmen once set but also a very consistent performer, averaging close to 60 as opener is really freak.

 

[Mamoon]

The fact that I’m still here following and supporting Pakistan after the incompetence shown by the PCB, team management, and players time again, yes, I deserve this mediocre team.

As for Rohit being better than Babar, if our main criteria for judging players is power-hitting ability, ignoring average/consistency or the fact that most of Babar’s 50s have comes at a SR of 150+, then I’m confident Babar isn’t even in top 15.

Good. I appreciate your honesty. You don’t have to justify why you would prefer Babar over Rohit in your T20 team.

Aap ko aap ki ghatya team mubarak ho.

 

[Titan24]

Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson were given the name of Fab 4 not only because they were the best batsmen of their sides but performed similar roles they played at almost similar positions and were part of the same age bracket.

Babar is much younger than these while Rohit isnt even a middle order player and is a pretty ordinary test player and stats show that too if we exclude the recent heroics and bashing of teams at home.

Rohit has 2000 odd runs in tests at 32 year of age, so much for the fab 4 audition.

In this thread people have brought in names like Warner (A below average player abroad), QDK (A wicket keeper who doesnt bat in Fab 4 positions in any format including no 7 in tests) etc without understanding what exactly fab 4 is.

Who are the best middle order batsmen across the formats under 31-32 years of age and everyone will get the answer, no point in circling around and trying to bring in names which arent even relevant.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] still waiting for you to admit that it was a mistake claiming Kohli missed hundreds in the world cup because of x, y and z reasons.

Admit?

No player can score a hundred in every match. I gave you a list of matches where Kohli didn’t get the chance to score a hundred and you simply reinforced it by highlighting those matches.

The matches against South Africa and New Zealand were failures indeed.

Against Australia, he faced 77 balls and got out on the second last ball of the innings. How many runs should he have scored after coming to the crease in the 23rd over and facing 77 balls? I am sorry he didn’t score 122 in 77 balls like Babar Azam would have.

India have a weak middle-order. He struck a hundred run partnership with Dhawan and ensured that India get to a match-winning total. It wasn’t an impact-less or a soft innings.

Against Pakistan, he faced 65 balls and got out in the 48th over. Was those 77 runs a poor effort? In what world? However, it was certainly a poor innings compared to the match-winning 48 in 57 by Babar in response.

Against both Australia and Pakistan, he was on top of the bowling and playing beautifully, and the only reason he didn’t score hundreds was because he ran out of time. You can call it ifs and buts, but remember, this Kohli we are talking about. No batsman in history has been better than him when it comes scoring ODI hundreds.

He didn’t click against Bangladesh but what did you expect him to do when he came to the crease in the 30th over? He was unlucky to not fill his boots against that mediocre attack because Rohit and Rahul had an 180 run opening partnership.

He could have scored hundreds against West Indies, Afghanistan and England though.

Was his World Cup as good as it should have been? No, but he wasn’t poor either. Pretty much every batsman in the world would be happy with 5 half-centuries in 9 innings, especially when he was certain to score hundreds in two of these innings.

Nevertheless, even if we accept your argument that Kohli failed in the World Cup and Babar was a million times better, what do we do with this information and what conclusion do we draw? Is the only instance where an inferior player has outperformed a superior player in a tournament?

Finally, please explain what do you mean by “Babar is better on current form”? Babar has been nowhere near Kohli in the last two years and Kohli scored 254 not out on current form.

 

[Hyperion66]

Post AB Rohit is the most consistent, most impactful limited overs player in the world, even better than Kohli on most days and much better than both Root and Williamson, it is a shame and insulting for Rohit to be compared with Babar. We all hype our own but this PP hype machine is in a league of it's own where delusion becomes the norm. The way it is going if Babar scores a couple more centuries he would already be challenging Bradman or Sachin's supremacy in PP. Babar is a good loi bat in his own rights but no where near the beast that Rohit is today. Sad part is even some of the most level headed folks here boarding this hype train.

 

[Aman]

What exactly is the debate here? If its regarding the 3 double hundreds of Rohit than I doubt any player will be able to do that anytime soon.

Now that double hundreds are aside what exactly Rohit has achieved that Babar by the end of next 10 years when Rohit will be relaxing and mentoring one of the IPL franchises.

No doubt Rohit has a destructive power game but than Kohli, Smith, Williamson, Root also dont have such level of power game. Does it make them much inferior to Rohit?

If the answer is no then Babar already has more ODI centuries than Smith, 2 less than Williamson and 5 less than Root.

If power game is the only discussion than this might not be the suitable thread.

Williamson, Smith and Root are never going to catch Rohit either. Unlike Kohli, he has performances in ICC events too. Making him near on impossible to beat unless you have the same talent, destructive ability and better performances. Those 3 don't.

Honestly, I don't know why you're arguing about this. I think he's already surpassed Sachin in the format, others might think he's close but I'd give him the edge after dominating the WC.

 

[Aman]

Post AB Rohit is the most consistent, most impactful limited overs player in the world, even better than Kohli on most days and much better than both Root and Williamson, it is a shame and insulting for Rohit to be compared with Babar. We all hype our own but this PP hype machine is in a league of it's own where delusion becomes the norm. The way it is going if Babar scores a couple more centuries he would already be challenging Bradman or Sachin's supremacy in PP. Babar is a good loi bat in his own rights but no where near the beast that Rohit is today. Sad part is even some of the most level headed folks here boarding this hype train.

People really don't get it or give Rohit the plaudits he deserves. This man dominated a WC and still we have people talking about Babar Azam, Williamson, Smith and Root

Rohit is a legit GOAT contender in the format.

 

[Relic]

Post AB Rohit is the most consistent, most impactful limited overs player in the world, even better than Kohli on most days and much better than both Root and Williamson, it is a shame and insulting for Rohit to be compared with Babar. We all hype our own but this PP hype machine is in a league of it's own where delusion becomes the norm. The way it is going if Babar scores a couple more centuries he would already be challenging Bradman or Sachin's supremacy in PP. Babar is a good loi bat in his own rights but no where near the beast that Rohit is today. Sad part is even some of the most level headed folks here boarding this hype train.

What is this post?

How are you grouping all PPers into one category just because of what ONE person said?

Your "I know it all" attitude isn't going to work here mate.

Except Mobashir, no one has said Babar is better than rohit. The comparison can't even be made because one is an opener the other one is a no.3 batsman.

 

[Relic]

People really don't get it or give Rohit the plaudits he deserves. This man dominated a WC and still we have people talking about Babar Azam, Williamson, Smith and Root

Rohit is a legit GOAT contender in the format.

Ok and?
How's that related to this thread??
The Rohit vs Babar comparison is over why are you bringing it up again?

If you really want to talk about rohit then make a thread on it.

This thread is not for that.

 

[Hyperion66]

Babar is much younger than these while Rohit isnt even a middle order player and is a pretty ordinary test player and stats show that too if we exclude the recent heroics and bashing of teams at home.

Rohit has 2000 odd runs in tests at 32 year of age, so much for the fab 4 audition.

Babar has one century outside UAE just one and you guys already belittling one of the modern day greats!! I will just patiently wait out and see how it goes, afterall Umar was better than Kohli and Shehzad was better than Sachin too once upon a time in PP, many of the posters who peddled such nonsense are still active.

 

[Titan24]

Post AB Rohit is the most consistent, most impactful limited overs player in the world, even better than Kohli on most days and much better than both Root and Williamson, it is a shame and insulting for Rohit to be compared with Babar. We all hype our own but this PP hype machine is in a league of it's own where delusion becomes the norm. The way it is going if Babar scores a couple more centuries he would already be challenging Bradman or Sachin's supremacy in PP. Babar is a good loi bat in his own rights but no where near the beast that Rohit is today. Sad part is even some of the most level headed folks here boarding this hype train.

People really don't get it or give Rohit the plaudits he deserves. This man dominated a WC and still we have people talking about Babar Azam, Williamson, Smith and Root

Rohit is a legit GOAT contender in the format.

Rohit is ATG of ODIs and this isnt even a debate neither anybody should compare Babar to him as Babar still has to play and perform a lot. How consistently Rohit produces destructive knocks in ODIs is just exceptional and nobody has done it as an opener in ODIs with so much of consistency as far as I can remember.

However Rohit isnt ATG in Test or T20s for that matter and isnt anywhere close to the Fab 4 in that regard.

Rohit Sharma is 32 and is definitely not a good enough test player to be part of the fab 4 discussion. If this thread would have been top batsmen in ODIs then Rohit would have been right up there.

 

[Hyperion66]

What is this post?

How are you grouping all PPers into one category just because of what ONE person said?

Your "I know it all" attitude isn't going to work here mate.

Except Mobashir, no one has said Babar is better than rohit. The comparison can't even be made because one is an opener the other one is a no.3 batsman.

Don't put words in my mouth. Show me a single sentence where I generalized? Hype machines are always created by a few who are generally more active and visible than the rest. Nowhere did I imply anything like what you said.

 

[Titan24]

Babar has one century outside UAE just one and you guys already belittling one of the modern day greats!! I will just patiently wait out and see how it goes, afterall Umar was better than Kohli and Shehzad was better than Sachin too once upon a time in PP, many of the posters who peddled such nonsense are still active.

Again are we on the same thread which says "Babar can join the Fab 4 and make in Fab 5"?

How is Rohit coming into the picture here?

Also are we talking about tests here? Because Rohit is a beast in ODIs but a mediocre test player and decent in T20s. He isnt a middle order player and is 32, so how is he relevant in this discussion?

Again Fab 4 consists of 4 players who play in the middle order, perform similar roles, of similar batting generation and age group along with performances across the formats.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Now you're going to consider scores less than 100 as outstanding?��

Then why didn't you mention Babar's 90 vs NZ IN NZ when he was the only batsman standing at the end and his 68* against England in england where he was the joint second highest run scorer of the match and was retired hurt??

You seriously mentioned Hope?? ��
The guy who averages in the 20s and the only two centuries he had to his name were scored in the same match against England LOL

What i am saying is he hasn't left the group where he already belongs to join the elite group. There are many doing very well besides Babar. When Amala was around he was breaking milestone record for fun in one dayers a format no one will remember him for. He is not doing anything like that now. He has had a tremendous last one year in the one dayers. Averaging 60 with a SR of 90 plus. Having said that Babar is closer to the very top (he may never catch them overall) in one dayers. But in Tests he has to do better than so many other batsmen before catching up with these guys.

About Shai hope he is the highest run getter in the last 12 months albeit at a lower strike rate. 1420 runs at an average of 67. 5 centuries. Rahim, Jason Roy, Morgan, Faf, Shakib, Warner, Van der dussen many have had very good last 12 months.

 

[Hyperion66]

Rohit is ATG of ODIs and this isnt even a debate neither anybody should compare Babar to him as Babar still has to play and perform a lot. How consistently Rohit produces destructive knocks in ODIs is just exceptional and nobody has done it as an opener in ODIs with so much of consistency as far as I can remember.

However Rohit isnt ATG in Test or T20s for that matter and isnt anywhere close to the Fab 4 in that regard.

Rohit Sharma is 32 and is definitely not a good enough test player to be part of the fab 4 discussion. If this thread would have been top batsmen in ODIs then Rohit would have been right up there.

Thanks for the reply, posters like you makes PP a good place for debate and disagree. Never claimed that Rohit is a test great. I just didn't understand why you have to make point about Babar, who may very well become a great player or fade away like Akmal, by ridiculing Rohit's test record? Not like Babar averaging in the 50's and Rohit in 30's, it is actually the other way around.

Couldn't care any less about t20. T20 records are like male underwear models, yes they exist and they don't mean jack.

 

[Titan24]

Thanks for the reply, posters like you makes PP a good place for debate and disagree.

I appreciate it.

There is no doubt as I have said time and time again in this thread that Babar has a long way to go especially in tests to be anywhere near what Fab 4 has achieved and is definitely not as good a player as Kohli and Rohit in ODIs currently. They have probably won more matches together than Babar has played in his career.

 

[Hyperion66]

I appreciate it.

There is no doubt as I have said time and time again in this thread that Babar has a long way to go especially in tests to be anywhere near what Fab 4 has achieved and is definitely not as good a player as Kohli and Rohit in ODIs currently. They have probably won more matches together than Babar has played in his career.

See we agree on more things than we disagree, cheers mate

 

[Syed1]

Aek hi batsman hai humaray pass osko bhi tum log nazar laga do