Can Babar Azam join the group of Fab 4 and make it a Fab 5?

[jiduguravindra]

I am really happy to see the way he is developing. I would definitely rather have Babar than Joe Root in my test, ODI, T20 teams. Hopefully he will continue to go from strength to strength.

P.S - I just read a thread complaining about Indian posters on PP - I haven’t read through all of them here, but apart from a few unfair members on here, most of the Indian posters I read on this thread have reasonable views. So [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION], don’t worry, be happy

Everyone agrees that he is in top 5 as far as limited overs are concern but when u are talking about test cricket he has to prove a lot to consider him as top 5.

 

[Mobashir]

How in the world do you remember a random post from september? Do you have photographic memory? Lol

Lol just red it in a thread on Buttler.

Would love to know how does hyperion changes so quickly.

 

[Itachi]

Still long way to come in the same tier as of fab 4. But he is at the verge of surpassing QDK that i agree.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lol just red it in a thread on Buttler.

Would love to know how does hyperion changes so quickly.

Lol just read? You have been continuously moaning about ever since I said Butler has more impact than Babar. Tell me honestly, did it really hurt that much man?

 

[Ab Fan]

I still rate Qdk higher than Babar. Babar is yet to match a few Qdk's exploits over his career. Once he does that I will rate Babar higher.

 

[Mobashir]

I still rate Qdk higher than Babar. Babar is yet to match a few Qdk's exploits over his career. Once he does that I will rate Babar higher.

I also agree that overall QdK is a little in front of Babar. He has played some tremendous innings. In tests, it often results in fifties, but I rate some of those fifties more than double hundreds.
His 95 in the last match was an exceptional innings.

 

[Mobashir]

Lol just read? You have been continuously moaning about ever since I said Butler has more impact than Babar. Tell me honestly, did it really hurt that much man?

Yes just red your post in the other thread. From where I quoted you.

Why will that hurt? I am convinced you are a hater so when I read these kinds of comments coming from you that makes me happy. You keep on shooting yourself in the feet.

Buttler better than Babar in tests, lol.

 

[Ab Fan]

I also agree that overall QdK is a little in front of Babar. He has played some tremendous innings. In tests, it often results in fifties, but I rate some of those fifties more than double hundreds.
His 95 in the last match was an exceptional innings.

Agreed with this. Both Babar and Qdk are tremendous players and their peak days are yet to come.

 

[Mobashir]

I don't even wanna try to remember what I posted yesterday lol, not worth the time.

That's one of the first reasonable thing you have written in this thread, the quicker you forgot what you have written the better.

 

[Hyperion66]

Yes just red your post in the other thread. From where I quoted you.

Why will that hurt? I am convinced you are a hater so when I read these kinds of comments coming from you that makes me happy. You keep on shooting yourself in the feet.

Buttler better than Babar in tests, lol.

Butler despite being talented bottle it up more often than not, still a bigger match winner than Babar no matter how you slice and dice it. Instead of stalking me and digging up my ancient posts if you could just accept this fact the pain will be a lot less.

 

[Hyperion66]

That's one of the first reasonable thing you have written in this thread, the quicker you forgot what you have written the better.

I post here for fun and unlike you my life isn't dependent on winning an argument here lol.

 

[Darkrai]

Butler despite being talented bottle it up more often than not, still a bigger match winner than Babar no matter how you slice and dice it. Instead of stalking me and digging up my ancient posts if you could just accept this fact the pain will be a lot less.

This post is a good example of why you get threads like the one Rana made about Indians being unsupportive of Pakistan cricket.

Babar Azam in Test:
Average: 42.7
SR: 56
100s: 4

Babar in 2019:
Average: 68.4
SR: 72.3
100s: 3

Josh Buttler in Test:
Average: 33
SR: 57.4
100s: 1

Jost in 2019:
Average: 25.1
SR: 48.5
100s: 0

 

[Mobashir]

Butler despite being talented bottle it up more often than not, still a bigger match winner than Babar no matter how you slice and dice it. Instead of stalking me and digging up my ancient posts if you could just accept this fact the pain will be a lot less.

You still think Buttler is a better test Batsman than Babar Azam?

 

[Ronaldo7]

You still think Buttler is a better test Batsman than Babar Azam?

No point talking to him. He’s confused himself

 

[Mobashir]

No point talking to him. He’s confused himself

Babar is obviously better than Buttler in Test cricket and there is nothing to be proud about it. Buttler is a failure at test match level.
I just want to know how far someone can go in his stubbornness.

 

[JaDed]

Babar is obviously better than Buttler in Test cricket and there is nothing to be proud about it. Buttler is a failure at test match level.
I just want to know how far someone can go in his stubbornness.

You are equally stubborn when you rate Babar same as Kohli at current level

 

[Ted123]

Qdk and Babar are two players to look forward to in next few years, probably KL Rahul as well. But he will have to cement his place in tests.

 

[Mobashir]

I don't often base my thinking on stats but if you look at the statistics of both Babar and Virat in 2019 you can also see the "on current form they are at the same level".

Tests:
Babar: 6 tests, 11 innings, 616 runs @68,44 with 3 hundreds, 3 fifties, SR - 72,30
Kohli : 8 tests, 11 innings, 612 runs @ 68,22 with 2 hundreds, 2 fifties, SR - 63,28

ODI's :
Babar : 1092 runs in 20 inns @60,66 with 3 hundreds, 6 fifties- SR - 92-30
Kohli : 1377 runs in 25 innings @59,86 with 5 hundreds, 7 fifties - SR 96,36.

T20's :
Babar : 10 innings 374 runs @ 41, 55 with 4 fifties - SR 136,99
Kohli - 10 innings 466 runs@ 77,66 with 5 fifties - SR 147,93

So it's about the same in every format apart for the average in T20's. But that's not a that big factor.

In Tests if we analyse both performances, Babar is ahead, Kohli failed in all 5 innings away from home and scored 2 hundreds at home against SA and Bangladesh. Babar was more consistent with 3 hundreds and 3 fifties, a hundreds at the gabba against Start, Hazlewood, Cummins and also a 97 there. Babar's SR also makes him a much more dominant batsman.

In ODI's although the Stats are quite the same, but Babar played 5 ODI's in SA and the rest of his games in England (apart from 2 home ODI's). Also Babar having the superior world cup makes him slightly better.

In T20's, stats are quite in favor of Virat and you can argue that he had a better T20 year than Babar. Although I will point out that Babar has 4 fifties, 1 in SA, 1 in England and 2 in Australia against Starc/Cummins. 3 out of Kohli's 50's came against west indies.


Don't even want to go in the who was the better batsman in 2019 between them, just to show that the statement both are at the same level on current form is pretty correct.

You are equally stubborn when you rate Babar same as Kohli at current level

At least I have numbers to back my claim.
You will not find two players with numbers so close to each other in Tests and ODI's. And when I made my claim it wasn't even the case.

 

[JaDed]

At least I have numbers to back my claim.
You will not find two players with numbers so close to each other in Tests and ODI's. And when I made my claim it wasn't even the case.

Rohit Sharma.
Tests:
6 innings Runs:556 avg:92.7 SR :76.0 Hundreds:3

ODI:
27 1,490 Avg: 57.3 SR:89.9

T20
14 396 Avg:28.3 SR:138.5


Rohit is not even included in your discussion, checkout his tests and ODI numbers as an opener that too, Rohit has been doing extremely well for a while in ODIs now, so my assumption is one year is enough to be included in the discussion irrespective against whom the runs come?

 

[Mobashir]

On courent form, overall I will have Smith as the undisputed number 1; Kohli/Babar on tie for 2nd position and Williamson at 4.
Williamson hasn't played since the world cup but had a brilliant world cup.

Failing in one game doesn't change the fact that Kohli is leagues above Babar irrespective of the format.



Making a few pretty fifties doesn't make you as good as Kohli and better than Williamson. Babar is not a top 5 batsman in any format. (not even top 15 in Tests honestly).

Until he gets a few test hundreds and impact full white ball knocks against top teams , he has no business with the Fab 4 or 5.

) In John McEnroe's words, "You cannot be serious".

How is he among top 10 test bats with a chillar average like 35? I just wanna know more about the source of such pearls of wisdom.

BTW if batted that way in the matches that really mattered Pak would have seen the lights of a wc knock out for a change

Yes sir understood.

Let's do a country wise breakdown of test bats I would pick over Babar. Making a test XI doesn't make sense as I will have to include bowlers so many deserving bats will be left out.

India: Kohli, Pujara, Rahane, Rohit (Yes, averages more than Babar and Babar is no world beater overseas), Pant (Gave real performances in Eng and Aus, not just few pretty cover drives).

Pak: Azhar, Shafiq (Albeit inconsistent but performed against better bowlers in tougher conditions)

SL : Kusal Perera ( A bit debatable perhaps but he is a match winner on his day)

BD : Shakib (Achieved much more than Babar with the bat)

Aus: Smith, Warner

SA: None

Eng : Root, Stokes (as a pure bat), Butler.

NZ : Kane, Taylor

This is delusion and cluelessness of the highest order, Babar is a nobody in tests, an absolute and proper nobody, one has to be of spcial kind to consider him a top 10 test bat who averages a mighty 35 and doesn't have a single century overseas. I am truly impressed with your reasoning.

I could have quoted many more posts.
Stop hating and using stat to prove your hate guys. Enjoy Babar Azam's wonderful batting for 10 more years.

 

[luv u cricket]

Butler despite being talented bottle it up more often than not, still a bigger match winner than Babar no matter how you slice and dice it. Instead of stalking me and digging up my ancient posts if you could just accept this fact the pain will be a lot less.

so was inzimam and saeed anwar , better match winners than tendulkar

 

[Ronaldo7]

Rohit Sharma.
Tests:
6 innings Runs:556 avg:92.7 SR :76.0 Hundreds:3

ODI:
27 1,490 Avg: 57.3 SR:89.9

T20
14 396 Avg:28.3 SR:138.5


Rohit is not even included in your discussion, checkout his tests and ODI numbers as an opener that too, Rohit has been doing extremely well for a while in ODIs now, so my assumption is one year is enough to be included in the discussion irrespective against whom the runs come?

How many hundreds and 97s in the SENA countries?

 

[Mobashir]

Babar looks nothing less than a best in the world batsman at the crease. His SR in test cricket over the lest year or so is really setting him apart from the fab 4.
Let's see if he can maintain such dominance for a long time.

 

[JaDed]

How many hundreds and 97s in the SENA countries?

Er again then this thread won’t have purpose coz

Babar in Tests:

Aus 5 tests avg 27, 1 ton

no tons in other SENA countries(could had got one in nz but “could”..) also terrible in Windies..

Pant has a ton in Aus.. and averages same in England as Babar in Aus with a ton.. poor 27

, if Sena is a thing then Babar hasn’t done anything remarkable.. also why don’t you guys include Windies as well..?


also what do you mean by 97s?

 

[Mobashir]

Kohli has done quite poorly in both the T20I and ODI series. That's a disappointment for him, he could have played his first matchwinning innings away vs NZ. Couldn't have a better opportunity than this weak NZ attack.

If he doesn't bounce back in the test series he will probably fall behind Babar Azam on current form.

 

[Titan24]

Er again then this thread won’t have purpose coz

Babar in Tests:

Aus 5 tests avg 27, 1 ton

no tons in other SENA countries(could had got one in nz but “could”..) also terrible in Windies..

Pant has a ton in Aus.. and averages same in England as Babar in Aus with a ton.. poor 27

, if Sena is a thing then Babar hasn’t done anything remarkable.. also why don’t you guys include Windies as well..?


also what do you mean by 97s?

Babar has just played 1 match in Eng and was 68 not out and looking comfortable before getting retired hurt but helped Pak win the match.

2 matches in NZ and averages 47

3 matches in SA and averages 40.

Firstly 2,3 matches arent enough in my opinion to judge anybody in any condition as not to forget Babar was still finding his feet in tests when he last toured those countries. In Aus he looked a different player this time around then his last tour.

As reference Kohli has around 38 matches in countries you are referring (Including WI)to in comparison to Babar who has just played 12,13 matches.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli has done quite poorly in both the T20I and ODI series. That's a disappointment for him, he could have played his first matchwinning innings away vs NZ. Couldn't have a better opportunity than this weak NZ attack.

If he doesn't bounce back in the test series he will probably fall behind Babar Azam on current form.

Again, your kindness is amazing. He actually fell behind Babar on current form as soon as he scored his first run in international cricket.

Also, please don’t be shy. I know you want to state that Babar is a better batsman than Kohli. There is no need of hiding behind “current form”.

 

[silentkiller187]

This thread is not as far fetched as it may have seemed when it was created, Baber is the real deal, if he carries on the way he is he wll be an ATG for pakistan, many experts who have played the game from around the world concur so don't let the opinions of some closeted indian fans dampen our optimism.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

the way root is demolishing his career and how the burden of captaincy is accelerating it, he would be forgotton soon....

I doubt you can call it Fab 4 any more.. its Fab 3 with Root long gone and Babar knocking the doors. Need the key of a 100 in Nz and Eng to make the door fall down for him

there are 2 type of blind idiots on this post

1) who think Babar is better than Kholi right now... plain and simple, he is not. he has to score a lot of big runs to claim it.

2) Idiots who think he cannot do it, can i please borrow ur brilliant future reading skills to get me to win some lotteries... blind garbage minds will never want to be proven wrong hence barking like mad.

in short, Babar is the best player in the world outside the Fab-3 of Kholi - Smith - Williamson

rohits and pujaras and Sakibz and Warners and roots have been left behind by Babar... if you cannot accept it , see a pshycatrist

 

[Mobashir]

I don't often base my thinking on stats but if you look at the statistics of both Babar and Virat in 2019 you can also see the "on current form they are at the same level".

Tests:
Babar: 6 tests, 11 innings, 616 runs @68,44 with 3 hundreds, 3 fifties, SR - 72,30
Kohli : 8 tests, 11 innings, 612 runs @ 68,22 with 2 hundreds, 2 fifties, SR - 63,28

ODI's :
Babar : 1092 runs in 20 inns @60,66 with 3 hundreds, 6 fifties- SR - 92-30
Kohli : 1377 runs in 25 innings @59,86 with 5 hundreds, 7 fifties - SR 96,36.

T20's :
Babar : 10 innings 374 runs @ 41, 55 with 4 fifties - SR 136,99
Kohli - 10 innings 466 runs@ 77,66 with 5 fifties - SR 147,93

So it's about the same in every format apart for the average in T20's. But that's not a that big factor.

In Tests if we analyse both performances, Babar is ahead, Kohli failed in all 5 innings away from home and scored 2 hundreds at home against SA and Bangladesh. Babar was more consistent with 3 hundreds and 3 fifties, a hundreds at the gabba against Start, Hazlewood, Cummins and also a 97 there. Babar's SR also makes him a much more dominant batsman.

In ODI's although the Stats are quite the same, but Babar played 5 ODI's in SA and the rest of his games in England (apart from 2 home ODI's). Also Babar having the superior world cup makes him slightly better.

In T20's, stats are quite in favor of Virat and you can argue that he had a better T20 year than Babar. Although I will point out that Babar has 4 fifties, 1 in SA, 1 in England and 2 in Australia against Starc/Cummins. 3 out of Kohli's 50's came against west indies.


Don't even want to go in the who was the better batsman in 2019 between them, just to show that the statement both are at the same level on current form is pretty correct.

Again, your kindness is amazing. He actually fell behind Babar on current form as soon as he scored his first run in international cricket.

Also, please don’t be shy. I know you want to state that Babar is a better batsman than Kohli. There is no need of hiding behind “current form”.

This was a previous answer to one of your post.

Don't know why my comments on current form hurt you that much when they can be verified by rankings, stats and even on the actual way both are batting. Where as people saying Buttler is a better test bat than Babar is acceptable for you?

 

[Mobashir]

the way root is demolishing his career and how the burden of captaincy is accelerating it, he would be forgotton soon....

I doubt you can call it Fab 4 any more.. its Fab 3 with Root long gone and Babar knocking the doors. Need the key of a 100 in Nz and Eng to make the door fall down for him

there are 2 type of blind idiots on this post

1) who think Babar is better than Kholi right now... plain and simple, he is not. he has to score a lot of big runs to claim it.

2) Idiots who think he cannot do it, can i please borrow ur brilliant future reading skills to get me to win some lotteries... blind garbage minds will never want to be proven wrong hence barking like mad.

in short, Babar is the best player in the world outside the Fab-3 of Kholi - Smith - Williamson

rohits and pujaras and Sakibz and Warners and roots have been left behind by Babar... if you cannot accept it , see a pshycatrist

Root had a brilliant world cup, he has just won a series in SA even tough SA isn't that good. So I don't think he is destroying anything. Some batting conditions make hundred scoring hard and there some important 50's value more than hundreds and even double hundreds sometimes.This is what he just did in SA.

 

[JaDed]

Babar has just played 1 match in Eng and was 68 not out and looking comfortable before getting retired hurt but helped Pak win the match.

2 matches in NZ and averages 47

3 matches in SA and averages 40.

Firstly 2,3 matches arent enough in my opinion to judge anybody in any condition as not to forget Babar was still finding his feet in tests when he last toured those countries. In Aus he looked a different player this time around then his last tour.

As reference Kohli has around 38 matches in countries you are referring (Including WI)to in comparison to Babar who has just played 12,13 matches.

Yes but if you see the trail of discussion, it was about Babar being equal to Kohli currently.. when I asked for the reason I was told on current form of Babar he is equal to Kohli as a player, then I brought in current form of Rohit.. and then the above question about centuries in SENA...

 

[Ab Fan]

On current form, Babar is also better than Smith in tests. So, we get the idea of how much value this current form is of when he is better than Kohli in LOIs and Smith in tests on current form.

 

[JaDed]

Also what is annoying is how so many Pakistanis have gotten on the Babar train eventhough many of them wanted him out of the team two years ago.

Even then I remember saying Babar looks most assured on crease among all batsmen in PCT.

 

[Titan24]

Yes but if you see the trail of discussion, it was about Babar being equal to Kohli currently.. when I asked for the reason I was told on current form of Babar he is equal to Kohli as a player, then I brought in current form of Rohit.. and then the above question about centuries in SENA...

Oh, I get it. You are correct. Irrespective of the form Babar is nowhere near Kohli on any scale, he will have to perform for prolonged periods of time to come anywhere near Kohli in terms of stature. In terms of stature Babar is behind others in the fab 4 as well in tests as its impossible for a 25 year old to achieve what veterans of much more years have done. Though In ODIs I think he is right up there with Williamson and Smith. I also think overall skill wise in tests he is up there with Root and Williamson, just needs to convert that into test numbers as well.

 

[Humza_Razzaque]

Cant believe this guy came out of such a domestic circuit filled with lunatics, this guy truely seems like a anomaly comparing him to all the others we have produced in the last 20 years

 

[NauV]

I don't why we have to demean or bring down certain players to play up our favorite players . . It just doesn't make sense and it makes you look absolutely foolish! and this is absolutely rampant on Pak Passion . .

Why can't we marvel at the individual abilities of each player and recognize that they're all playing under different circumstances within their own teams and setup and have a different role to perform, and they do that with aplomb!

We're lucky to be seeing the likes of Kohli, Rohit, Williamson, Smith, Babar, Root, ABD, et al. in the same era! Cherish it, enjoy their sheer skill and talent!

Don't be foolish in trying to undermine the achievements of one player to prove a point for the other!

 

[Mobashir]

On current form, Babar is also better than Smith in tests. So, we get the idea of how much value this current form is of when he is better than Kohli in LOIs and Smith in tests on current form.

No he isn't better than Smith in tests on current form.
Smith last ashes are better than anything Babar has done in tests and even Kohli has done.

 

[Raja111]

No he isn't better than Smith in tests on current form.
Smith last ashes are better than anything Babar has done in tests and even Kohli has done.

Isn't kohli better than smith On Current Form according to the ICC rankings?
Also smith got two poor series at home recently!
or you want kohli to perform against top teams like babar is doing now to overtake smith on current form?.

 

[Mobashir]

Isn't kohli better than smith On Current Form according to the ICC rankings?
Also smith got two poor series at home recently!
or you want kohli to perform against top teams like babar is doing now to overtake smith on current form?.

The top order scored so heavily that he was not even needed. Smith is in own league as a Test batsman not because of his average but because of the amount of crucial and difficult innings he has played.
As I said, the last ashes alone are better than the amount of difficult career runs the likes of Root, Kohli and Williamson have scored. In terms of career, Babar's name has nothing to do along these 4 already great batsmen.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Babar is better than everyone bar Smith and Kohli in the world. He's the king of this generation.

There's no fab 4 anymore. It is fab 3 with , ,

Let the battles begin!

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Root had a brilliant world cup, he has just won a series in SA even tough SA isn't that good. So I don't think he is destroying anything. Some batting conditions make hundred scoring hard and there some important 50's value more than hundreds and even double hundreds sometimes.This is what he just did in SA.

SA win had nothing to do with root ... SA were seriously struggling and eng just hit them on the right time...

Again, Root's WC numbers would be very different if he sandwiched between giants of modern day white ball cricketers

with Roy Bairstow above him and Morgan Stokes and butler to follow... he had abs no pressure....

take that to some1 like Babar who had the legendary Haffez-Malik to follow and blind tulla fakhar to preceed him

Babar's game went to a next level as soon as a half decent (i think he is easily the 2nd best batsmen in pak at the min) Harris Sohail came into the team. Babar owes his 100 against NZ to Harris Sohail. the difference between Babar with Haffez and Babar with Harris was day n night

Root, well is losing ground and is seriously losing votes... i dont think he would survive for long on eng test captaincy ... Stokes might be getting tht lead role soon (he would be captain had he not beaten the pulp out of tht dude in bristol)

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Babar is better than everyone bar Smith and Kohli in the world. He's the king of this generation.

There's no fab 4 anymore. It is fab 3 with , ,

Let the battles begin!

come on dude .... Williamson says hello.... lol

No doubt for me, Babar is ahead of root but to overtake williamson, he needs to scor big in next 2 series, away in Eng and NZ...

if he scores crucial runs (not 100z) crucial runs and wins us games, then he will be no3 for sure

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Babar has to overrtake Smith, Kholi , Williamson,(in that order) in tests and Kholi, Wiiliamson in LOI

He is already ahead of Root in all formats,

Ahead of smith in LOI

in tests, the beacon is Smith, followed by Kholi and williamson

Overall across formats, its the King Kholi who he needs to target ... He is there and there about with Williamson but behind on decimal points.

 

[Ahmed216]

Babar azam has clearly replaced joe root but he has a bit more to do before i'd rate him as highly as kane.
What smith and kohli have achieved i just hope babar has those ethics and hunger to come close to them

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Babar azam has clearly replaced joe root but he has a bit more to do before i'd rate him as highly as kane.
What smith and kohli have achieved i just hope babar has those ethics and hunger to come close to them

What has Kane achieved that Babar has not? He scored more centuries but that because Babar is a junior. Babar will overtake him in the next 4 years. I don't see any reason for Babar to be rated lower than Williamson. The reason why I'm still rating Babar below Kohli is because Babar doesn't have many double centuries or the amount of runs Kohli scored in England in one series. But Babar will eventually overtake Kohli in the next 4-5 years too.

The only competition left for Babar will be Smith but he will be in decline soon and I expect his average to come down.

 

[Ab Fan]

It's Fab 6

Kohli

Smith

Daylight

Williamson/Root

Quinton de Kock/ Babar Azam

 

[Ahmed216]

What has Kane achieved that Babar has not? He scored more centuries but that because Babar is a junior. Babar will overtake him in the next 4 years. I don't see any reason for Babar to be rated lower than Williamson. The reason why I'm still rating Babar below Kohli is because Babar doesn't have many double centuries or the amount of runs Kohli scored in England in one series. But Babar will eventually overtake Kohli in the next 4-5 years too.

The only competition left for Babar will be Smith but he will be in decline soon and I expect his average to come down.

Babar is yet to play those crunch knocks in LOI chases that kane often does where he plans his innings beautifully and picks the gaps with great precision.
Also kane has test hundreds around the world

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Babar is yet to play those crunch knocks in LOI chases that kane often does where he plans his innings beautifully and picks the gaps with great precision.
Also kane has test hundreds around the world

What crunch LOI chases? I can't remember any.. do you have links? I feel Guptill is more important than Kane for NZ team

With Babar, I still remember the world cup math winning hundred against NZ on a seaming pitch. You see the difference?

 

[CobraRules]

Fab 4 was based on their potential for test exploits. It was never meant for LOI.
If we will look now and compare then Now, Fab 4 are well ahead because they had played a lot of matches. Comparing Babar with them is unfair to Babar because he is just finding his feet in Tests.

IMO The Batsmen who are/has done better than Babar Azam in Tests till now-

Steve Smith
Virat Kohli
Kane Williamson
Joe Root
C.Pujara
D.Warner
Marnus Labuschagne
A.Rahane

Babar Azam is basically at QDK level in Tests now.


And In ODIs
Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma, David Warner are only better than Babar.

 

[Balthazar]

Most of fab four are non-existent in shorter formats. We need to seperate formats and look into individually. There are like 8-10 batsmen who are better than Babar when you take it individually.

 

[globalcitizen]

there are many players at the moment to claim the fab 4 tag. But atleast set some standards. Babar has not scored even 2000 runs in career after being on scene for 5 years..
He is getting better but others are turning into monsters.. like labushagne

 

[Ted123]

Certainly. Babar is an all formats batsmen and has hit his peak already.

 

[as-95]

there are many players at the moment to claim the fab 4 tag. But atleast set some standards. Babar has not scored even 2000 runs in career after being on scene for 5 years..
He is getting better but others are turning into monsters.. like labushagne

The hypocrisy in this post is unreal... You claim that standards should be set and Babar should not be considered as part of the Fab 4 because he has not scored 2000 runs in test's... He is not far off 2000 test runs and will probably have them by the end of the series. Along with this, he has almost 3500 ODI runs which is phenomenal for a 25 year old...

Despite you claiming that standards should be set, you then talk about Labuschagne who has less Test runs than Babar and has only played 2 ODI innings ) Your hatred for Pakistan clouds your views and you should have a nice, cool glass of water to calm yourself down

 

[globalcitizen]

The hypocrisy in this post is unreal... You claim that standards should be set and Babar should not be considered as part of the Fab 4 because he has not scored 2000 runs in test's... He is not far off 2000 test runs and will probably have them by the end of the series. Along with this, he has almost 3500 ODI runs which is phenomenal for a 25 year old...

Despite you claiming that standards should be set, you then talk about Labuschagne who has less Test runs than Babar and has only played 2 ODI innings ) Your hatred for Pakistan clouds your views and you should have a nice, cool glass of water to calm yourself down

LoL I dint claim labushagne is at same level , but I am saying his returns are extraordinary and other players need to watch out.. probably reading comprehension issues ok it happens ...
my understanding is fab 4 tag is performance across formats so it will take time for others to stake that claim! Babar decock Nicholas pooran and labushagne are worthy contenders in future not now

 

[Titan24]

LoL I dint claim labushagne is at same level , but I am saying his returns are extraordinary and other players need to watch out.. probably reading comprehension issues ok it happens ...
my understanding is fab 4 tag is performance across formats so it will take time for others to stake that claim! Babar decock Nicholas pooran and labushagne are worthy contenders in future not now

Babar has played 4 innings in Pak and has scored 3 100s (2 of them were not outs) and 1 50. Labu's returns are extraordinary at home, let Babar play as many matches at home too.

QDK bats lower down the order in tests which is completely different than being a top order batsmen, one of the reasons Ghilcrist was never compared with the best in tests despite averaging 47 and Quinten doesnt average 40 at the moment and his conversion rate is also nothing to right home about due the position he bats at.

Pooran is yet to play a test and has played 3 FC matches at an average of 23. He is already 24, so not sure whats the point of mentioning him at the moment.

 

[globalcitizen]

Babar has played 4 innings in Pak and has scored 3 100s (2 of them were not outs) and 1 50. Labu's returns are extraordinary at home, let Babar play as many matches at home too.

QDK bats lower down the order in tests which is completely different than being a top order batsmen, one of the reasons Ghilcrist was never compared with the best in tests despite averaging 47 and Quinten doesnt average 40 at the moment and his conversion rate is also nothing to right home about due the position he bats at.

Pooran is yet to play a test and has played 3 FC matches at an average of 23. He is already 24, so not sure whats the point of mentioning him at the moment.

I think you are all obsessed with age. It does not come crashing down for a player just because he is 23 or 24 and not done much in career. Things can change anytime. It’s much better to have a career of 5yrs with extraordinary achievement than 10 yrs of average performance.. Get over the obsession of age

 

[Titan24]

I think you are all obsessed with age. It does not come crashing down for a player just because he is 23 or 24 and not done much in career. Things can change anytime. It’s much better to have a career of 5yrs with extraordinary achievement than 10 yrs of average performance.. Get over the obsession of age

I didnt even mention the age other than for Pooran. Considering he has just played 3 FC matches at 24 years of age shows he hasnt developed his 4 day game which one expects from someone of that age. I cant think of many greats who only had 3 FC matches under their belt at 24 before taking the test cricket by storm.

Hussey is one example who did extremely well in tests after making his test debut at 29-30 years of age but guy had close to 200 FC matches before making his test debut.

Still nothing is impossible but I am not sure if Pooran can be rated in tests at the moment without even making a debut and 3 Fc matches @23 under his belt.

 

[Sean143]

Virat Kohli's dip in form could be the start of the Babar Azam era

Now is the time.
Kohli's game won't improve any further from now and babar is going from strength to strength.
King Kohli might as well be replaced by King Bobby as the best batsman across formats in about 2 years time.

 

[tyron_woodley]

this thread will age well as usual. Virat is tired. After rest virat will be back to his best.

 

[Aman]

Lmao.

What has Babar Azam accomplished for it to be his era?

Stokes won England a WC, is it his era?

 

[Mujtaba2900]

Now is the time.
Kohli's game won't improve any further from now and babar is going from strength to strength.
King Kohli might as well be replaced by King Bobby as the best batsman across formats in about 2 years time.

.

 

[Hawkeye]

Babar already is Fab 4. Or fab5 if you want.

Getting to where Kohli is will take a few years, because he's younger than him.

It's not happening right now. Wait until Babar is 30.

 

[Mobashir]

Now is the time.
Kohli's game won't improve any further from now and babar is going from strength to strength.
King Kohli might as well be replaced by King Bobby as the best batsman across formats in about 2 years time.

Babar should aim to emulate Smith rather than Virat Kohli. Crucial, important knocks is always the way to go rather than becoming a run scoring machine.

 

[Mobashir]

this thread will age well as usual. Virat is tired. After rest virat will be back to his best.

He did sent you a message to tell you that it's fatigue?
What if he scores a hundred in the second innings?

Bizarrely there was no fatigue at all hitting his highest test score Vs SA, hitting day night hundred vs Bangladesh At home and now he is so tired that he can't score a run.

 

[Ab Fan]

Now is the time.
Kohli's game won't improve any further from now and babar is going from strength to strength.
King Kohli might as well be replaced by King Bobby as the best batsman across formats in about 2 years time.

It's very unlikely that Babar will be able to surpass Kohli in limited overs because the latter has a legacy of being considered as the greatest run chaser ever. I agree he couldn't do it in WC'19 semi final. But still the amount of time, he has chased down over 300 scores and the ease with which he has done is phenomenal.

Babar is an excellent ODI player himself but he doesn't possess the ruthless of Kohli and is more on lines of Williamson and Root as LOs player. He can still surpass both but reaching Kohli and de Villiers level will be hard for him. AB is very well recognized for changing the way modern day ODI cricket is perceived while Kohli is the greatest run chaser. Even Quinton de Kock has 5000+ runs to his name in ODIs. So, he too is in reckoning.

In test cricket, let Babar play more. Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root all have 6K-7K + runs and still have 4-5 years of more cricket left in them.

 

[Shams123]

It's very unlikely that Babar will be able to surpass Kohli in limited overs because the latter has a legacy of being considered as the greatest run chaser ever. I agree he couldn't do it in WC'19 semi final. But still the amount of time, he has chased down over 300 scores and the ease with which he has done is phenomenal.

Babar is an excellent ODI player himself but he doesn't possess the ruthless of Kohli and is more on lines of Williamson and Root as LOs player. He can still surpass both but reaching Kohli and de Villiers level will be hard for him. AB is very well recognized for changing the way modern day ODI cricket is perceived while Kohli is the greatest run chaser. Even Quinton de Kock has 5000+ runs to his name in ODIs. So, he too is in reckoning.

In test cricket, let Babar play more. Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root all have 6K-7K + runs and still have 4-5 years of more cricket left in them.

Completely agree with this. The more I see Babar the more he reminds me of Kane. I reckon if we can get some good dynamic players around him he can play a key role even in big run chases. And I have alway believed test cricket will be his most sucessful format.

 

[Mueez]

No disrespect to Babar.

But Kohli is a dream run chaser.

He is a brand. I think cricket will never see a Kohli again when he retires.

 

[Mueez]

Babar, in my opinion, is in top 3 at the moment.

Virat
Smith
Babar

 

[tyron_woodley]

short answer. No.

he is from a different era.

he is the leader of the new fab 4.

babar
KL Rahul
labuschagne
QDK

 

[MenInG]

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[TeymurBlake]

I don't think they will be any additions or subtractions in the the Fab 4. Kohli, Smith, Williamson and Root are the fab 4. Babar is in the next cycle of batsman, sure his record is impressive and maybe he could match up with some of them and has gone ahead of some. But the fact of the matter is that he's apart of the different generation of batsman.

 

[Firebat]

In my opinion, with another year of continuation of his Test form as well as a good showing in the T20 WC, then I don't think ANY cricket fan can ignore him as the top 3 or 4 batsmen in the world. I think he is miles ahead of any of the batsmen in his generation, so he should be allowed to be compared to and compete with the current Fab 4 for a spot in it IMO.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wasim Akram "Babar Azam looked really good. Early in his innings he took his time and after that he went at nearly a run-a-ball. He showed his class and consistency as a batsman and he's certainly one of the top five players in world cricket right now" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1291284801689997313?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Seems to have the right gear for the job....


==

Pakistan limited-overs captain Babar Azam has been phenomenal with the bat so far. The cricketer is often hailed with the likes of Fab-4 of cricket which includes Indian skipper Virat Kohli, New Zealand captain Kane Williamson, England’s Test skipper Joe Root and Australia’s swashbuckling batsman Steve Smith.

Azam solidified his position as one of the best batsmen of the modern era as he is the only cricketer to have a spot in the top five of the ICC batting rankings across all the three formats of the game. He is ranked at number 2 in T20 Internationals, Number 3 in ODIs, and Number 5 in the longest format of the game. With 2045 runs in 29 Tests, 3359 runs in 74 ODIs, and 1548 runs in 41 T20I matches since making his debut in 2015 against Zimbabwe, the Lahore-born has caught the attention of everyone.

However, this time the fierce batsman is not in news for another splendid inning of his on the match field. Rather Babar made headlines after flashing his expensive Tag Heuer watch which is the 2020 unworn Monaco Gulf Special Edition. Azam took to his official Instagram handle to post a story of himself where he can be seen showing off his high-priced wristwatch while sporting a black tee.

The iconic Tag Heuer watch is priced around Rs. 7.24 lakhs ($9,848) and looks enticing with its blue dial and square face. The limited-edition piece is crafted with 100% calf leather, 100% stainless steel, and 100% Sapphire Crystal. The pristine timepiece is powered by an automatic movement with an adjustable leather strap and deployment clasp, this piece features a limited-edition offering for your timepiece collection.

The 25-year-old recently captained the Men in Green in a three-match T20I series against England which resulted in a draw by 1-1. The first match was abandoned due to persistent rain while the second match was won by Englishmen by 5 wickets. However, the visitors clinched the third and the final match by 5 runs to level the series.

After the series with Pakistan, England had played with Australia where they registered victory in the three-match T20I series by 2-1. This resulted in Dawid Malan replacing Babar Azam as the world’s top-ranked Twenty20 batsman. The 33-year-old Malan played splendid knocks of 66, 42, and 21 against Kangaroos and acquired the top spot in ICC’s latest T20I batsmen’s rankings with 877 points. While, on the other hand, Babar slipped to Number 2 spot with 869 points.

https://www.crictracker.com/babar-azam-flaunts-his-new-wrist-watch-worth-inr-7-24-lakhs/

 

[RainStopsPlay]

He's good for Pakistani standards but will not consider him in Fab 4 unless he takes his team home while chasing. Been waiting since ages for this guy to perform while chasing but looks like happy with reaching his personal milestones. Just not in the league of Dhawan, Rohit Sharma and Ross Taylor, let alone Fab 4.

 

[silentkiller187]

He's good for Pakistani standards but will not consider him in Fab 4 unless he takes his team home while chasing. Been waiting since ages for this guy to perform while chasing but looks like happy with reaching his personal milestones. Just not in the league of Dhawan, Rohit Sharma and Ross Taylor, let alone Fab 4.

I disagree, since his debut he is right up their in terms of 100's scored, definitely does warrant his place. If the players around him are rubbish its not his fault, he cant do everything for us, he scores at a good rate and is consistent, we just need a couple of more solid batsmen around him to support, and who knows may even free him up even more to be more expansive.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Start finishing more games to join the elite. At the moment he's on the verge of greatness, but a Steve Smith would have seen games like this home.

 

[saeed5646]

He's good for Pakistani standards but will not consider him in Fab 4 unless he takes his team home while chasing. Been waiting since ages for this guy to perform while chasing but looks like happy with reaching his personal milestones. Just not in the league of Dhawan, Rohit Sharma and Ross Taylor, let alone Fab 4.

Yup it is his fault he put his team from 4/51 in match winnig position and almost close it down by himself

If you are going to put zim bench mark then he did chase down target against zim in 2nd odi and finish notout .Apart from that he has produced match winning knock against nz in worldcup

 

[Zaz]

He shouldve seen the team home today

You could see there was gonna be an issue with him finishing the game as we neared the last 2-3 overs

This last step will elevate him from part of the good to great