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Can formal coaching produce Steven Smith, Javed Miandad....

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I feel that coaching can only do so much for a player, natural gift is an essential component

This ofcourse is bad news for many players but what I am saying here is that batting coaches are probably a luxury and not a necessity
 
Miandad was not really that unconventional, But smith technique is totally unique, what really helps is that he is such a good player on the leg side that bowlers can target his stumps for LBW or bowled and because he shuffles across so much he covers for the batsmen usual weakness outside off stump.
 
Miandad was not really that unconventional, But smith technique is totally unique, what really helps is that he is such a good player on the leg side that bowlers can target his stumps for LBW or bowled and because he shuffles across so much he covers for the batsmen usual weakness outside off stump.

Think Javed's stance, his style of play is not taught anywhere also?
 
Think Javed's stance, his style of play is not taught anywhere also?

There was nothing wrong with Javed stance during his playing days. Obviously modern day batsmen like to hold their bats higher and are more upright.
 
Yes, i feel its true...u cant coach backyard johny to bat like SS or have a stance like him or the pre delivery trigger movements....this is natural....and the guy who most resembles him is peter handscomb....
For javed miandad -another original guy, unconventional.....but what set him apart from all was his ability to size up the situation and make the most of what was in front at the moment...eg his ability to use the creae-the entire depth, his late cutting abiity...and above all his brain that was super alert...a real legend...
 
I feel that coaching can only do so much for a player, natural gift is an essential component

This ofcourse is bad news for many players but what I am saying here is that batting coaches are probably a luxury and not a necessity

I feel this does not take into account Smiths entire career. I will not speak about Miandad because he came up through the streets, in an era of limiting coaching within Pakistan, both domestically and within the international set up.

Now, back to Smith - I agree that natural gifts are important for all athletes, or anyone that achieves greatly in any field. Smith's greatest gift may be his hand eye coordination, however this is where the nurture v nature dynamic comes into play: baby Smith may have been born with this gift but all those years of practice playing in the back garden, then playing at club level, junior, state etc will have groomed this natural gift, which many other children will have also possessed.

Having said that, if we think back to Smith the debutant, he was a leg spinner who was a clumsy fielder, the gift of hand and eye we now see did not seem apparent. How dd it improve so much? How did he go from leggy to lower order slogger to bit parter to terrific batsman? He clearly wasn't born or naturally gifted as a batsman. He still isn't in the same way Kohli, Williamson, Babar seem to be. This clearly means he was coached, put in tonnes of hard work and coached some more. Listen to some of Smith's interviews about his transition period, he speaks glowingly about the coaches he needed to get to where he is today.

Nature v nurture is more like nature AND nurture.
 
There was nothing wrong with Javed stance during his playing days. Obviously modern day batsmen like to hold their bats higher and are more upright.

Miandad's general streetwise style of cricket could never be taught by a coach i feel
 
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