Can Imran Khan's government solve the nation's energy crisis?

[MenInG]

People are fed up with constant load shedding as well as issues with petrol prices - Can Imran Khan's government solve or alleviate these problems?

 

[Asim_khan]

People are fed up with constant load shedding as well as issues with petrol prices - Can Imran Khan's government solve or alleviate these problems?

Probably not. Haven't made any grand claims in regards to it so imho won't be expecting anything. It will take pretty much the whole of their 5 year tenure to get anywhere near ending it and then some.

Wonder what the fix will be? Supply line from iran? Thar coal? Hydroelectric dams? Basha dam?

 

[batnbowl]

Unlikely as it will take a good amount of resources (finance) + time to build dams and the ancillary systems - probably a single term at a min.

Will be interesting if he can clinch a deal with the Chinese to help fund a few dams in the country

 

[Syed1]

People don't realize Pakistan has more installed capacity than it needs. Its just that there are massive line losses and insufficient transmission lines to actually get the power to the users. Also there is theft of power at unprecedented levels which contributes to circular debt. If today the government of Pakistan has enough resources to pay of the debt of the independent power producers Pakistan will not experience such crazy amounts of loadshedding.

 

[PetroDollars]

Can't believe how ignorant people are in this country and on this forum.

You really want to spend billions upon billions on building dams to reduce energy load shedding. )

Look at the facts - Pakistan today produces around 10,000MW and i take it demand is around 12,000MW from what i read last - However this is where things get interesting, because just before when Musharraf handed the country to Zadari, Pakistans energy production was 19,000MW with a demand of 21,000MW

Its crazy but most power plants are sitting abandoned because gov. stopped making payments.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

He will have to.

In this day and age, an economy can't thrive without proper energy distribution for its small companies.

 

[Couch Cricketer]

Can't believe how ignorant people are in this country and on this forum.

You really want to spend billions upon billions on building dams to reduce energy load shedding. )

Look at the facts - Pakistan today produces around 10,000MW and i take it demand is around 12,000MW from what i read last - However this is where things get interesting, because just before when Musharraf handed the country to Zadari, Pakistans energy production was 19,000MW with a demand of 21,000MW

Its crazy but most power plants are sitting abandoned because gov. stopped making payments.

Our economy is growing at 5% a year. Our electricity demand would increase by at least that much. So our current production capacity might be able to meet demand but I doubt it. We need to liberalize electricity production and distribution to a free market as well as move towards solar, wind and build more dams instead of using fossil fuels which we are importing and costs us more dollars than we are earning. Electrical distributors should not be supplied with electricity that they are unable to collect money for as they don't work on recovery incur huge debts and keep expecting bail outs from the government.
Ik and Asad Umar have promised to start giving out facts instead of government massaged numbers on everything would be interesting to see

1.) How much production capacity we actually have
2.) What is the total demand
3.) What is the peak demand
4.) How much foreign exchange it costs us to use fossil based electricity.
5.) How much is stolen.

I would recommend for PTI apart from building dams they should ask and facilitate Non Resident Pakistani's to invest in solar and wind farms in Pakistan as this will bring in dollars and at the same time decrease our use of fossil fuel based power generation that would result in using even less foreign exchange on fossil fuels. So the usefulness of each foreign investment dollar would be compounded.

 

[Fahdi]

Can't believe how ignorant people are in this country and on this forum.

You really want to spend billions upon billions on building dams to reduce energy load shedding. )

Look at the facts - Pakistan today produces around 10,000MW and i take it demand is around 12,000MW from what i read last - However this is where things get interesting, because just before when Musharraf handed the country to Zadari, Pakistans energy production was 19,000MW with a demand of 21,000MW

Its crazy but most power plants are sitting abandoned because gov. stopped making payments.

Dams aren't needed to reduce load shedding. They are needed primarily for water storage and irrigation. Dams are needed for our very survival, the electricity they produce is a byproduct although it's still very important. Plus hydroelectricity is very cheap and is also clean and sustainable.

I don't know where you get your figures from but the electricity demand in Pakistan is well over 20,000 MW in the summers. Even then you have to consider that many areas don't have access to electricity at all so they don't count in the "demand". Yes Pakistan has an installed capacity of about 25,000 MW but you have to understand what installed capacity is. Installed capacity is the maximum power a plant is capable of producing under ideal conditions but no plant ever operates at full capacity even in the best of conditions. Very efficient and well functioning plants operate at about 95% factor meaning that if the installed capacity is 100 MW than you'll get 95 MW. Also the total installed capacity includes hydro(29%) which can only produce electricity if the reservoir is above a certain level.

Yes if we make the payments we can bridge the shortfall almost to a great extent but we cannot make the payments. More than 50% of our circular debt is due to the energy sector. Fossil fuel based power plants are simply not sustainable for a country like Pakistan. Unfortunately that has been the focus of the previous 2 governments. There are studies to indicate that for a healthy economy energy generated from fossil fuels should be as little as possible whereas we are producing 64% of our electricity from fossil fuels.

And many of the dealings the past governments have done for electricity generation are ridiculous. There are plants which sell as electricity based on installed capacity rather than the power generated. Meaning if the government doesn't provide the plant fuel and the plant doesn't generate any electricity the government will still have to pay them the full amount.

There are plants which have been installed without transmission lines. There are also some cases like Nandipur power plant where electricity was being generated at 42 rupees per unit!

 

[hussain.r97]

They will have to work on solving this problem if they want to bring serious change because most industries are totally reliant on the energy sector. They can greatly improve the current situation if they can upgrade and expand on the current transmission lines, a big part of the problem is actually line losses, not capacity (though capacity is also an issue). Payments are not an option at this stage, so the first thing they should do is address the problem of line losses.

One thing they also need to do is really look at shifting away from fossil fuels, they are simply not sustainable for Pakistan. Pakistan is meant to be one of the most affected countries by climate change, yet we are still mostly running on fossil fuels. They need to take advantage of the vast swathes of land in Balochistan and Cholistan for solar power, they need to take advantage of the Indus river for hydropower, and they need to look into things like wind and tidal power too.

I am not expecting PTI to completely solve Pakistan's energy problems in a single term, but I do expect a reasonable level of improvement. If they can hang in for more than two terms, then I can see them totally solving Pakistan's energy problems.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I honestly don’t think the energy crisis can be completely solved within 5 years.If the current government is elected for a second tenure,it may be possible.

 

[Greenstorm]

We should set up plants to make solar cells and wind turbines in Pakistan(should seek help from China and Germany if needed). We are wasting natural gas to produce electricity inspite of having so many alternate resources. We will realize this when we will run out of gas to burn in our homes.

 

[The Viper]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Khan stated: "At the same time we have decided we will not have any more power based on coal. We have already scrapped 2 coal power projects, which were supposed to produce 2600MW of energy, and replaced it by hydroelectricity."<br><br>This is a big deal!<br><br>2/</p>— Chris Littlecott (@chrislittlecott) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrislittlecott/status/1337799263707951105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Khan continued: "As far as our indigenous coal goes, we have decided to ... produce energy either by coal-to-liquids or by coal-to-gas, so that we do not have to burn coal to produce energy."<br><br>Note: These alternatives are difficult, expensive, and still carbon-intensive.<br><br>4/</p>— Chris Littlecott (@chrislittlecott) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrislittlecott/status/1337799269479223298?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PM Khan had started by highlighting that Pakistan is the 5th most vulnerable country to the impacts of climate change. <br><br>He then concluded: "So I assure you that Pakistan will be doing its best to make its contribution to mitigate the effects of climate change."<br><br>6/ <a href="https://t.co/neiHWYrtaQ">pic.twitter.com/neiHWYrtaQ</a></p>— Chris Littlecott (@chrislittlecott) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrislittlecott/status/1337799274009161728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Slog]

Needs to figure out what the country wants to do.

They trumpet CPEC all the time which is primarily coal based power projects but at the same time say we’re moving away from coal and onto renewables. So CPEC is a big dud now?

People who have followed or remember my posts may recall that I had always said that these coal power projects seem like a bit of a dead end due to a multitude of reasons so I have no problem if they are indeed scrapped but atleast the government shouldnt be this contradictory in its messaging...

PTI government: “CPEC (read coal powered energy projects) are game changer and will solve Pakistans energy crisis”

Also PTI government: “ we’re cancelling coal power projects (read flagship CPEC projects) since we are moving away from dirt coal”

 

[Giannis]

Hopefully Pakistan can resolve its electricity crisis efficiently without the need of coal since it leads to poor air quality which is something ordinary Pakistanis will have to bear the brunt of.

 

[ahsan17]

Needs to figure out what the country wants to do.

They trumpet CPEC all the time which is primarily coal based power projects but at the same time say we’re moving away from coal and onto renewables. So CPEC is a big dud now?

People who have followed or remember my posts may recall that I had always said that these coal power projects seem like a bit of a dead end due to a multitude of reasons so I have no problem if they are indeed scrapped but atleast the government shouldnt be this contradictory in its messaging...

PTI government: “CPEC (read coal powered energy projects) are game changer and will solve Pakistans energy crisis”

Also PTI government: “ we’re cancelling coal power projects (read flagship CPEC projects) since we are moving away from dirt coal”

Coal based power plants were primarily in the initial phase of CPEC and are nearly all already built. There are just a few that haven't been built. The long term CPEC projects are renewables primarily (not sure if the nuclear projects in Karachi are included in CPEC).

I think for a country like Pakistan this is the wrong decision anyway. They should have built the remaining coal power plants to overcome the remaining energy issues. It would have been quick and allowed Pakistan to get off even worse power plants such as those based on furnace oil.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1613286/k-2-nuclear-power-plant-connected-to-grid

The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) on Thursday announced that it had connected the much-awaited 1,100MW Karachi Nuclear Power Plant Unit-2 (K-2) to the national grid.

In a statement, the PAEC termed it a ‘Pakistan Day’ gift to the nation. It said the nuclear power plant (NPP) had achieved criticality at the end of February and was undergoing certain safety tests and procedures before it could finally be connected to the national grid.

The loading of nuclear fuel onto the plant was started on December 1, 2020 after getting clearance from the Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority.

The PAEC pointed out that K-2 is the first nuclear power plant in Pakistan with a generation capacity of 1,100MW and its addition to the national grid will “surely help improve the economy of the country”.

K-2 is one of the two similar under-construction nuclear power plants located near Karachi and will be inaugurated for commercial operation by the end of May this year.

The other one, K-3, is also in completion phase and is expected to be operational by the end of this year.

The PAEC is now running six NPPs in the country — two located in Karachi and four at Chashma in Mianwali district. Earlier, the collective generation capacity of all PAEC-operated nuclear power plants was around 1,400MW.

The coming online of the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant Unit-2 will nearly double the generation capacity of nuclear power plants in the country, substantially improving the overall share of nuclear power in the energy mix.

Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission Chairman Muhammad Naeem congratulated Member Power Saeedur Rehman and his team on this great achievement.

 

[Bewal Express]

PK needs cheap energy,not energy at any cost as produced by the crooked IPPs. The excessive cost is roughly 33% more than it costs in Ind and BD. Its the reason the cost of everything is much higher in PK and our exports have been destroyed. Mian Mansha et al may have become trillionaires but PK is much poorer because of the terrible, short decisions made by BB, NS and Mushy.

 

[Greenstorm]

PK needs cheap energy,not energy at any cost as produced by the crooked IPPs. The excessive cost is roughly 33% more than it costs in Ind and BD. Its the reason the cost of everything is much higher in PK and our exports have been destroyed. Mian Mansha et al may have become trillionaires but PK is much poorer because of the terrible, short decisions made by BB, NS and Mushy.

True. IPPs have inflicted tremendous damage on our economy.

Biggest positive of IK's tenure so far has been our shift towards hydro power generation. Hopefully we will phase out IPPs for good.

 

[Bewal Express]

True. IPPs have inflicted tremendous damage on our economy.

Biggest positive of IK's tenure so far has been our shift towards hydro power generation. Hopefully we will phase out IPPs for good.

This will be his greatest legacy.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2291773/karachi-to-get-additional-450mw-from-national-grid-in-summer

Federal Minister for Power, Petroleum and Natural Resources Omar Ayub Khan has said that National Transmission and Despatch Company (NTDC) has completed the up-gradation of 220kV double circuit transmission line from Jamshoro to KDA-33.

“Alhamdulliah another achievement of PTI government and a good news for Karachi [as it would] get additional 450MW [of electricity] this summer as NTDC has completed the rehabilitation/up-gradation of the existing 220 kV double circuit transmission line (130 km long) from Jamshoro to KDA-33,” he wrote on his official Twitter handle on Saturday.

He said that the transmission line is expected to become operational on or before March 31, 2021, and would help K-Electric manage the load during the summer months when the demand is high.

Omar said that the achievement would result in reduction of load-shedding in Karachi. "This increase in power supply from the national grid to KE is in addition to the existing supply arrangement comprising of 650MW from the 500 kV & 220 kV network and 150 wind power through 132 kV network. Thus, a maximum of 1100MW power supply shall be available during summer months from the national grid for KE which shall significantly improve power supply situation for the city," he added.

The minister said that the dedicated and coordinated efforts of the NTDC and KE teams are highly appreciated in achieving this milestone in a timely manner. "This has been done by the federal government to the people of Karachi for the summer season, especially before the holy month of Ramazan," he further said.

 

[Major]

Doesnt matter how much electricity we produce now. Its price has increased and will keep on increasing.

Imran's govt has failed in this aswell. He and his party will boost about how they are producing excessive electiricity, but no one is gonna talk about the increased price. In 3 years the price of elecricity is expected to go above 100%

Electricity bills that i got for this month compared to last year has doubled.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]
Big step forward from the criminal situation the PPP, Nooras and Mush left behind

 

[offstump]

Doesnt matter how much electricity we produce now. Its price has increased and will keep on increasing.

Imran's govt has failed in this aswell. He and his party will boost about how they are producing excessive electiricity, but no one is gonna talk about the increased price. In 3 years the price of elecricity is expected to go above 100%

Electricity bills that i got for this month compared to last year has doubled.

This is interesting. Is the cost the only prohibitive factor or is there an issue with electricity transmission as well across the country. In others words more lower available than can be transmitted to consumers? Is load shedding still an issue?

 

[Bewal Express]

This is interesting. Is the cost the only prohibitive factor or is there an issue with electricity transmission as well across the country. In others words more lower available than can be transmitted to consumers? Is load shedding still an issue?

The criminal contracts that the mafia cornered PK into has left little for investment in transmission. On a lighter note, we will see the Dadu Charger claim the credit for this tomorrow. The new deal will take time to filter through to the consumers and Kaptaan may not be in power to get the political benefits of this but this is a massive step forward.

 

[Major]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]
Big step forward from the criminal situation the PPP, Nooras and Mush left behind

i dont know if you live in thsi coutnry or not, but let me tell you that electrcity prices are skyrocketing. And it is expected to go up even further

 

[Bewal Express]

i dont know if you live in thsi coutnry or not, but let me tell you that electrcity prices are skyrocketing. And it is expected to go up even further

Is it anything to with the contracts your crooks made with the IPPs. Maybe you can look into what a unit cost under their contracts and why? Do you want the continued subsidies? If you do then then tell us where the money comes from.

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday virtually inaugurated the 1,100-megawatt Karachi Nuclear Power Plant Unit-2 (Kanupp-2) on the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Pakistan and China.

"I am delighted to inaugurate this project that has been made possible with the collaboration between Pakistan and China," the premier said while addressing a ceremony in Islamabad.

"The project will produce 1,100 megawatts of clean energy, which is particularly important for us as Pakistan is one of the 10 countries most affected by climate change."

"Our glaciers are melting fast, our future generations will be up against a challenge if we do not reverse the process at the same pace," he warned.

PM stated that the project will also prove to be a good omen for the manpower at home and the people to people contacts.

"Also, I am glad that it is being inaugurated as we celebrate 70 years of diplomatic relations with China."

"We are fortunate to have a progressive friend like China whom we can learn a lot from. We can benefit from your experience of urban and population management, and elimination of extreme poverty and corruption," he said.

China brought the powerful and those involved in corruption under the law, the premier observed.

Kanupp-2 Power Plant

According to a statement issued on Thursday, Kanupp-2 is a generation III, state-of-the-art plant with improved safety systems, especially internal and external accident prevention ability and enhanced emergency response capability.

The plant has a 60-year life expectancy, extendable to 20 more years. It is designed with higher plant availability and capacity factors, and extended refuelling cycle.

The construction of Kanupp-2 commenced in November 2013, whereas its fuel loading started on December 1, 2020 after approval from the Pakistan Nuclear Regulatory Authority (PNRA).

A series of cold and hot functional commissioning tests related with plant operation and safety were conducted, before achieving criticality at the end of February this year.

After further reactor physics tests, the plant was connected to the national grid on March 18, 2021, for trial operation and power escalation tests.

The Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission is now operating six nuclear power plants in the country. Two of them are located in Karachi namely Kanupp-1 and Kanupp-2, while four are at Chashma, in Mianwali district, named as Chashma Nuclear Power Plant Unit 1-4.

Earlier, the collective generation capacity of all PAEC operated NPPs was around 1,400 megawatts. The inauguration of Kanupp-2 having 1,100MW capacity will nearly double these figures, substantially improving the overall share of nuclear power in the energy mix.

Meanwhile, Kanupp-3, with similar capacity is also in the commissioning phase and is expected to start production during the first quarter of 2022. It is worth mentioning that addition of clean, reliable and cost-effective nuclear power, in the energy mix, would greatly benefit the society and country at large.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2300915/pm-imran-inaugurates-1100-megawatt-kanupp-2-nuclear-powerplant

 

[Bewal Express]

I see the usual suspects have disappeared. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION], where are you? who made the contracts with the IPPs? Why were they so expensive? and what did they PK state get for spending billions? Why were they given sovereign guarantees in Dollars? Come on guys, IK the "incompetent" has renegotiated contracts worth trillions? Tell us what the competent guys did?

 

[Arsal_AK]

This is such an opportunity for Pakistan to go clean for most of our energy as we don't have a well functioning, complete energy infrastructure. Let's use the years of incompetence got some good. Doing so will help in the long run and help boost the economy. Pakistan has huge potential for solar. All we have to do is look at China, learn and follow suit. They are the best on the planet when it comes to investments in clean energy going forwards.

 

[saeedhk]

Good to see Mohmand dam construction work going ahead briskly. Work is being done 24/7. Kudos to all those involved.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1631789/miftah-ismail-lashes-out-at-pti-over-looming-energy-crisis

PML-N leader and former finance minister Miftah Ismail hit out at the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI)-led government on Sunday, holding it responsible for a looming energy crisis in the country and delays in the dry docking of liquified natural gas (LNG) terminals — one of the reasons he identified for the emerging shortage of gas and electricity.

Addressing a press conference in Karachi, he also questioned the government's choice of opting for expensive fuels, such as furnace oil and diesel, for electricity production.

Ismail addressed the media a day after Federal Energy Minister Hammad Azhar acknow*ledged that the country could face a power shortage from June 29 to July 6, as the regassified liquified natural gas (RLNG) terminal would be non-functional during that period.

The minister, who was addressing a news conference, had blamed the operators of both the LNG terminals in Pakistan — Engro Elengy and Pakistan Gasport — for the looming crisis, saying that they should have given the timeline for dry docking at least one year in advance so that the relevant authorities could have prepared an alternative plan accordingly.

Explaining that dry docking was necessary for meeting international safety standards and obtaining a safety certificate to keep the terminals operational, Ismail alleged that Azhar had wrongfully blamed the operators.

"Engro had asked them [the government] to initiate the dry docking a year ago, but they have been delaying it," he claimed. "And they are now blaming Engro and SSGC (Sui Souther Gas Company). This is a lie."

The PML-N leader went on to say that since the government had been delaying the matters, it now had to carry out the maintenance of multiple gas fields all at once.

Ismail also lashed out at the government for "keeping on delaying the purchase of furnace oil" and then buying it in haste at an exorbitant price.

He added that the government had opted to use furnace oil and diesel, which were expensive fuels, to produce electricity in November and December last year, and subsequently the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) had to increase the electricity tariff.

"There is no reason for using furnace oil for electricity production but that this government is inefficient and dishonest," he remarked, pointing out that opting for expensive fuels was also in violation of the Nepra's merit order, which stipulated that cheaper fuels were to be given priority for electricity production.

He maintained that power plants set up by the PML-N government in the past years, such as the Sahiwal coal-fired power plant, were producing the cheapest electricity in the country.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2335722/sufficient-fo-stock-available-to-meet-countrys-winter-energy-needs-hammad

Minister for Energy Hammad Azhar on Sunday clarified some ‘misconceptions’ about the availability and consumption of furnace oil (FO), saying it was ‘well stocked’ to meet the winter energy needs of the country.

The minister took to his official Twitter handle to state that “in summers Pakistan faced a moderate shortage of furnace oil as the FO (based) power plants ran more than last year (as per merit order) due to low water levels in dams.”

In a series of tweets, Hammad stated that the FO consumption was 116% higher.

“Now the FO plants are running because of lowering flows from dams (canals closure) and in a couple of days will be consuming 13,000 tonnes/day of FO,” he said, adding that the country was well stocked on FO in case of further LNG defaults.

The minister informed that “a new refinery policy is being finalised to shift refineries away from [the] production of FO.”

On Friday, Hammad stated that the gas reserves in Pakistan were declining, but the government was making efforts to meet the shortfall of gas. “We can supply only as much as coming out of the ground,” he said, adding that Pakistan’s gas reserves were declining by nine per cent on an annual basis.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad, the energy minister also said that the demand for gas from domestic consumers increases in the winter and the government stops its supply to the industrial sector to meet this domestic demand.

“We cannot provide cheaper gas beyond a certain limit,” he added.

Industrialists have voiced fear that the ongoing gas crisis will deal a lethal blow to the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) growth, bring down export orders and increase the cost of production for the business community.

In a statement on Thursday, Federation of Pakistan Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FPCCI) President Mian Nasser Hyatt Maggo stated that the failure of the government to provide gas to the industry would result in mammoth losses to the country as well as the business community.

 

[Major]

1) CPEC fulfilled our energy needs, not Imran Khan

2) 17% tax imposed by the PTI govt on renewable energy.

 

[Syed1]

1) CPEC fulfilled our energy needs, not Imran Khan

2) 17% tax imposed by the PTI govt on renewable energy.

Lol sure.... Maybe the Rs 2,500b circular debt, the capacity payments and guaranteed 30% rate of return pegged on the dollar are all just figment of our imagination.

As for 'CPEC fixed it'. Maybe you need to read up more and build your knowledge, PML-N government added expensive powerplants based on imported coal in CPEC that were removed by the PTI government.

Maybe if you didn't support corrupt looters and plunderers you would realize how the destructive IPP deals by Benazir and Nawaz based on expensive furnace oil completely ruined Pakistan's energy mix.

As for IK's contribution, his government started Daimer Bhasha, Mohmand and Dasu dams. Also check out the price of solar and wind projects in PTI government vs PML-N government:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking for explanations if there can be any??? <a href="https://t.co/E5yuAi7BPC">pic.twitter.com/E5yuAi7BPC</a></p>— Mobeen Hameed (@mobeen_hameed) <a href="https://twitter.com/mobeen_hameed/status/1478714315444310018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Major]

Lol sure.... Maybe the Rs 2,500b circular debt, the capacity payments and guaranteed 30% rate of return pegged on the dollar are all just figment of our imagination.

As for 'CPEC fixed it'. Maybe you need to read up more and build your knowledge, PML-N government added expensive powerplants based on imported coal in CPEC that were removed by the PTI government.

Maybe if you didn't support corrupt looters and plunderers you would realize how the destructive IPP deals by Benazir and Nawaz based on expensive furnace oil completely ruined Pakistan's energy mix.

As for IK's contribution, his government started Daimer Bhasha, Mohmand and Dasu dams. Also check out the price of solar and wind projects in PTI government vs PML-N government:



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking for explanations if there can be any??? <a href="https://t.co/E5yuAi7BPC">pic.twitter.com/E5yuAi7BPC</a></p>— Mobeen Hameed (@mobeen_hameed) <a href="https://twitter.com/mobeen_hameed/status/1478714315444310018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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All the CPEC electricity projects were based on Coal based powerplants. Now due to the climate change crises, these CPEC electricity projects are again being modified.

The bahsha dam construction is by FWO and its going to create more problems as Diamer falls under Pakistan Administrated Kashmir.

As for renewable energy. 17 % tax has been imposed by the ridiculous mini budget they got. For a few billions from IMF they have caused another inflation influx on the country

 

[Syed1]

All the CPEC electricity projects were based on Coal based powerplants. Now due to the climate change crises, these CPEC electricity projects are again being modified.

The bahsha dam construction is by FWO and its going to create more problems as Diamer falls under Pakistan Administrated Kashmir.

As for renewable energy. 17 % tax has been imposed by the ridiculous mini budget they got. For a few billions from IMF they have caused another inflation influx on the country

Haha sure climate change only started after 2018, before that you could build coal plants dirt cheap. I can see you do not have knowledge in this area so please brush up on it before going on your illogical rants.

Lol yeah the FWO just got up one fine day and started building the dam without any input from IK. @Break Express;



I wonder why the PTI government had to go to IMF in 2018 if the economy was so good?

 

[mazkhan]

Signing up to the climate con is a big mistake

Coal is a very cheap and efficient way of generating electricity

We have our own coal deposits in kpk balochistan sindh etc and we could have imported coal.

All other forms of generating electricity are very expensive which includes nuclear and dams.

Natural gas and furnace oil is also expensive and prices have gone up.

China has built over 40 coal plants in 2020 and is still investing in building more.

 

[Major]

Signing up to the climate con is a big mistake

Coal is a very cheap and efficient way of generating electricity

We have our own coal deposits in kpk balochistan sindh etc and we could have imported coal.

All other forms of generating electricity are very expensive which includes nuclear and dams.

Natural gas and furnace oil is also expensive and prices have gone up.

China has built over 40 coal plants in 2020 and is still investing in building more.

China built us those coal plants.

I think the issue is we are being forced by China to be part of this Climate change thing.

Electricity is no more a problem in Pakistan due to CPEC, however the problem is the transmission lines and transmitters. China isnt funding that and the govt solution is to do load shedding to reduce load on those transformers. They are being replaced very very very slowly.

 

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The capital cost decrease is all attributable to technological innovation in the industry, which moves along at breakneck speed, the return to investors is unchanged for the last 5 years. Any political party trying to claim credit for this is being delusionally dishonest at best.

 

[saeedhk]

Energy crisis was largely resolved by 2018 as CPEC energy projects had come online. This is not attributable to Khan Saab.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Energy crisis was largely resolved by 2018 as CPEC energy projects had come online. This is not attributable to Khan Saab.

so why does Pakistan still have its electricity cut for 4-8hrs everyday?

 

[Greenstorm]

China built us those coal plants.

I think the issue is we are being forced by China to be part of this Climate change thing.

Electricity is no more a problem in Pakistan due to CPEC, however the problem is the transmission lines and transmitters. China isnt funding that and the govt solution is to do load shedding to reduce load on those transformers. They are being replaced very very very slowly.

You are wrong as usual. NS signed those dirty coal powered plants and now IK is trying to move away from them.

China isn't funding ? Matiari-Lahore HVDC transmission line has already been completed.

 

[Greenstorm]

Signing up to the climate con is a big mistake

Coal is a very cheap and efficient way of generating electricity

We have our own coal deposits in kpk balochistan sindh etc and we could have imported coal.

All other forms of generating electricity are very expensive which includes nuclear and dams.

Natural gas and furnace oil is also expensive and prices have gone up.

China has built over 40 coal plants in 2020 and is still investing in building more.

Have you been to Sahiwal ? Nawaz had this bright idea of establishing a coal powered plant right outside the city (on perhaps the most fertile land in Pakistan !) And guess what ? People are already complaining regarding respiratory illnesses due to air pollution.

 

[Major]

You are wrong as usual. NS signed those dirty coal powered plants and now IK is trying to move away from them.

China isn't funding ? Matiari-Lahore HVDC transmission line has already been completed.

Those were part of cpec...

China didnt make powerplants to help pakistan. No project has been done by china to help pakistan in particular.

The goal is to make the bri project feasible, thus to make it operational china will build all those things.

We didnt have electricity to support any industry, thus china made those powerplants. Offcourse those projects than can be used by us to help the general public.

For example, rawalpindi doesnt have a bus transit system. The govt of pak cant ask china to make them or provide a bus transit system under cpec as it has got nothing to do with cpec.

Thus these coal projects all came under cpec.

Imran khan isnt moving away, he is being dictated by the chinese as they are part of the climate change policy now.
Plus, china is gonna fund these projects as they come under cpec.

This isnt any kamaal of imran khan...

 

[Syed1]

The capital cost decrease is all attributable to technological innovation in the industry, which moves along at breakneck speed, the return to investors is unchanged for the last 5 years. Any political party trying to claim credit for this is being delusionally dishonest at best.

Sure technology was stagnant from 2013-2018 with no decrement in price infact some projects were more expensive in 2018 than in 2013, but from 2018-2021 technology got super boost nitrous filled acceleration and decreased in price by half in just three years. Mashallah

 

[Major]

so why does Pakistan still have its electricity cut for 4-8hrs everyday?

Pakistan does not have an energy crises anymore.

People are misinformed about it.

The loadshedding that happens is because the transformers installed are very very very old. They cannot bare excessive electricity. Thus to give the transformers a rest, load shedding is done.

This is why is normal areas there is more load shedding while in areas like dha or bahria town load shedding wont be done as they have newer transformers.

Govt of pakistan doenst have funds to replace all transformers. They are slowly replacing the transformers and the power lines.

Energy crises doesnt exists anymore, [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] is right.

Pakistan couldnt get transformers replaced by china under cpec because as i said in the post above, china will only fund those projects that help cpec and nothing else. Thus, the upgraded lines and transformers are being used on the cpec grid. The institutes related to cpec get uncut powersupply. The rest of the countrys power lines and transformers is an expense that the govt itself will bare.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Pakistan does not have an energy crises anymore.

People are misinformed about it.

The loadshedding that happens is because the transformers installed are very very very old. They cannot bare excessive electricity. Thus to give the transformers a rest, load shedding is done.

This is why is normal areas there is more load shedding while in areas like dha or bahria town load shedding wont be done as they have newer transformers.

Govt of pakistan doenst have funds to replace all transformers. They are slowly replacing the transformers and the power lines.

Energy crises doesnt exists anymore, [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] is right.

Pakistan couldnt get transformers replaced by china under cpec because as i said in the post above, china will only fund those projects that help cpec and nothing else. Thus, the upgraded lines and transformers are being used on the cpec grid. The institutes related to cpec get uncut powersupply. The rest of the countrys power lines and transformers is an expense that the govt itself will bare.

ok, thats for the info

 

[Greenstorm]

Those were part of cpec...

China didnt make powerplants to help pakistan. No project has been done by china to help pakistan in particular.

The goal is to make the bri project feasible, thus to make it operational china will build all those things.

We didnt have electricity to support any industry, thus china made those powerplants. Offcourse those projects than can be used by us to help the general public.

For example, rawalpindi doesnt have a bus transit system. The govt of pak cant ask china to make them or provide a bus transit system under cpec as it has got nothing to do with cpec.

Thus these coal projects all came under cpec.

Imran khan isnt moving away, he is being dictated by the chinese as they are part of the climate change policy now.
Plus, china is gonna fund these projects as they come under cpec.

This isnt any kamaal of imran khan...

So contrary to your initial assertion, China did invested in energy transmission project in Pakistan.

Rest of Anti-China rhetoric in your post is irrelevant.

And lol at China pressurizing IK into climate change.

You will makeup anything to defend corrupt incompetent looters.

 

[mazkhan]

China doesn't care about climate otherwise it wouldn't have put 40 coal power plants in use in 2020

And has a further 40 planned

China has only agreed not to build more coal power plants abroad

Like I said the clown khan with his climate change mantra dictated by the west is gonna screw us , coal is a cheap efficient way to produce mass energy its cheaper than the gas and furnace oil which is causing our import bill problems In first place.

Also sahiwal power plant has achieved zero carbon emissions

China Huaneng Group Co., Ltd, (CHNG)’s spokesperson Jia YuanPei who said that Sahiwal coal-fired power plant has made it possible to achieve ultra-low, even zero carbon emission. Jia added that Sahiwal project has joined the ranks of green coal-fired power projects with its high efficiency and carbon emission which have surpassed the world standards. He added that this project has been built on a similar pattern as Tianjin IGCC Power Station, which uses various devices and technologies to purified carbon dioxide, which is then captured and stored as industrial raw material.

 

[Greenstorm]

China doesn't care about climate otherwise it wouldn't have put 40 coal power plants in use in 2020

And has a further 40 planned

China has only agreed not to build more coal power plants abroad

Like I said the clown khan with his climate change mantra dictated by the west is gonna screw us , coal is a cheap efficient way to produce mass energy its cheaper than the gas and furnace oil which is causing our import bill problems In first place.

Also sahiwal power plant has achieved zero carbon emissions

Hydropower plants produce cheaper electricity than coal powered ones hence IK's shift towards hydro.

Zero Carbon emissions are not possible with any fossil fuel. Carbon sequestration reduces emissions but raises cost.

Pakistan's energy future lies in a mix of Hydro and Nuclear power and I am glad that we are moving in that direction.

 

[Major]

So contrary to your initial assertion, China did invested in energy transmission project in Pakistan.

Rest of Anti-China rhetoric in your post is irrelevant.

And lol at China pressurizing IK into climate change.

You will makeup anything to defend corrupt incompetent looters.

Im not being anti china. Im just stating what is happening.

No one is making up anything, if you have have knowledge about cpec you would know what is being discussed instead of just lolling and posting emojis

 

[Last Monetarist]

Sure technology was stagnant from 2013-2018 with no decrement in price infact some projects were more expensive in 2018 than in 2013, but from 2018-2021 technology got super boost nitrous filled acceleration and decreased in price by half in just three years. Mashallah

Less of the snark please.

As someone working in the industry, I can categorically tell you that wind turbine prices have reduced by 25-30 percent over the period. You can check the EPC costs in the tariff determinations by NEPRA (they are all public), the EPC cost for a 50 MW plant in 2016 was above USD 100 million, which had reduced to USD 75 million by 2018 and was roughly USD 62.5 - 63 million in 2021.

Solar module prices have been cut by almost 60-70 percent during the same period as Chinese manufacturers have cut costs drastically due to immense competition, in a manner that is somewhat counterproductive as some of those manufacturers are in extreme financial distress and struggling to be profitable.

The other reason for lower capital costs has been the lower cost of financing during this period as the IFC has been providing concessionary financing for a lot of the newer projects at rates lower than seen during the period from 2013-2016. As the industry becomes more mature with more projects reaching commercial operations, financing costs decrease. The same rule applies on returns for equity investors.

There is no politics involved, you'd see the same trends replicated across Asia Pacific and the Middle East.

 

[Greenstorm]

Im not being anti china. Im just stating what is happening.

No one is making up anything, if you have have knowledge about cpec you would know what is being discussed instead of just lolling and posting emojis

What knowledge ? You weren't even aware that Chinese have invested in energy transmission sector.

'Imran is being dictated by Chinese to move away from coal'

What is your source for this 'knowledge' ?

 

[Major]

What knowledge ? You weren't even aware that Chinese have invested in energy transmission sector.

'Imran is being dictated by Chinese to move away from coal'

What is your source for this 'knowledge' ?

again, read my post.

China is only investing on those electric lines or transformers which are directly related to CPEC.

They are not spending a dime on electricity equipment needed for other localities of Pakistan.

For example, all of rawalpindi has old transformers. China wont invest in them as it has nothing to do with CPEC. Thats a cost the govt has to bare

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1676065/power-users-may-get-rs61-per-unit-shock-in-march-bills

Citizens are likely to see an increase of Rs6.10 per unit in their March electricity bills, as the country paid a high price for producing power from furnace oil and diesel in January.

In an application, the Central Power Purchasing Agency (CPPA) has informed the power sector regulator that the net cost of electricity production was Rs12.61 per unit during the month.

The reference fuel charges set by the National Electric Power Regulatory Authority (Nepra) stand at Rs6.51 per unit, or kilowatt hour. The CPPA has sought an increase of Rs6.10 per unit on account of Fuel Charges Adjustment (FCA) for January.

Nepra has called a public hearing on the matter on Feb 28, inviting all entities concerned and citizens to present their points of view regarding the demand made by the CPPA. However, the CPPA’s demands regarding fuel price adjustments are generally accepted by the regulator.

The application filed by the CPPA has pointed out that the cost of electricity generated from high-speed diesel (HSD) was the highest (Rs25.98 per unit), followed by power produced using furnace oil (Rs22.80 per unit).

Incidentally, only six per cent of total electricity produced in the country was generated using HSD but its high cost served to enhance the net basket price. Just over 14pc of electricity was produced from furnace oil.

In contrast, the cost of power produced using coal was lower (Rs14.10 per unit). Coal-based plants accounted for more than 33pc of the total generation.

The cost of power using natural gas and re-gasified liquefied natural gas (RLNG) was Rs7.74 and Rs16.70 per unit, contributing 14.37pc and 7.12pc of the total electricity generated, respectively.

The cheapest source of electricity was the nuclear power plants (Rs1.07 per unit) and their contribution to the total generation was 14.37pc.

The CPPA has also informed Nepra that there was (almost) no power generation from hydel, wind and solar sources in January as there was no outflow from the dams and there was limited sunshine and wind flow in the month under review.

The CPPA’s request to Nepra has attracted strong political reaction, with PML-N president Shehbaz Sharif criticising the proposed Rs6 per unit hike in electricity bills.

In a statement, the leader of the opposition in the National Assembly said: “Raising the already unbearable electricity tariffs after dropping the massive petrol price hike bomb on the nation, is completely and utterly unacceptable.”

Mr Sharif also said that instead of controlling inflation, Imran was obsessed with controlling opponents and critics, which was unfortunate.

He added: “This Imran Niazi government knows only how to increase petrol prices due to the world market, but it was totally blind when international oil prices decreased.”